most UNRELIABLE make??

fryup

Well whats the most unreliable make of car out there, years ago FIAT would have won that title hands down but of late they seemed to have got there act together.......well ive made a list of the usual suspects but if there are others not listed then let us know........so vote now

L-M

There are so little Protons in Ireland, that's it's pointless having them there. Surely this will thread will cause war lol

fryup

Limerick-man wrote: »

Surely this will thread will cause war lol

debate, not war

AugustusMaximus

Hard to call Fords unreliable. I've had several and never had a problem.

However, my neighbour has an Avensis and has had big trouble with the gearbox.

blinding

AugustusMaximus wrote: »

Hard to call Fords unreliable. I've had several and never had a problem.

However, my neighbour has an Avensis and has had big trouble with the gearbox.

I had gearbox trouble with an avensis as well.

Eric Cartman

wheres rover/land rover in the poll ?


also *sits smugly with his kia*

Sleipnir

Alpha Romeo's have a reputation for being unreliable. Not unwarranted either.

Guy:Incognito

Sleipnir wrote: »

Alpha Romeo's have a reputation for being unreliable. Not unwarranted either.

Their sister cars, Alfa Romeo are great though.


I would have thought VW or Audi in place of Proton would have been a much better option (certainly bassed on the reliability surveys anyway)

slavetothegrind

No point in having rover in there, t'would be a landslide victory!:D

Anan1

This is a ridiculous poll, TBH. What are the chances of any one person having owned all the cars on the list in the recent past? And how can anyone who hasn't even hazard a guess?

Guy:Incognito

Anan1 wrote: »

This is a ridiculous poll, TBH. What are the chances of any one person having owned all the cars on the list in the recent past? And how can anyone who hasn't even hazard a guess?

"The man in the pub says................"

fryup

Anan1 wrote: »

This is a ridiculous poll, TBH. What are the chances of any one person having owned all the cars on the list in the recent past? And how can anyone who hasn't even hazard a guess?

i don't expect anyone to own all 10 makes:rolleyes:

i'm just looking for peoples personal experiences as it may help other potential car buyers out there to avoid any lemons

L-M

19 people have voted Renault/Fiat.

Have any of those 19 owned either? Just out of curiousity...

Or did the man in the pub tell ye:P

mickdw

Where are mercedes, vw, audi?

L-M

mickdw wrote: »

Where are mercedes, vw, audi?

In the "But they are Mercedes, Vw and Audi, they couldn't be unreliable" poll.

Guy:Incognito

fryup wrote: »

i don't expect anyone to own all 10 makes:rolleyes:

Well if someone buys a fiat and it breaks (the levels of probelms dont seem to matter here, someone could have a toyota that explodes, killing their family, but if they get a puncture in a fiat, all fiats are junk) thats automatically the most unreliable car they had and will vote for it.

That or they are going on hearsay, which is equally as bad a base for a poll.

fryup

Stekelly wrote: »

Well if someone buys a fiat and it breaks (the levels of probelms dont seem to matter here, someone could have a toyota that explodes,

i said if theres a make thats not listed, then by all means mention it...

i couldn't list all the makes in the poll

Anan1

Stekelly wrote: »

"The man in the pub says................"

That's about the size of it, isn't it?

L-M

Anan1 wrote: »

That's about the size of it, isn't it?

Shouldn't you be thinking of some Trivia?:P

Topmail

I have had 2 Citroen Xantias and one Renult 19 in my time and I have done up to 100k in each of them and I never had any major problems???

Multiple select allowed voted all options.

Anan1

Limerick-man wrote: »

Shouldn't you be thinking of some Trivia?:P

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten!;)

Eric Cartman

ronoc wrote: »

Multiple select allowed voted all options.

change it, my kia smug was growing there

mumblin deaf ro

According to reliabilityindex the most unreliable cars are porsches (suzuki most reliable). The current edition of What Car does a similar survey where Honda comes out on top and Land Rover are the worst.

http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/top10_worst.html?apc=3128339010848601

SV

bet Renault will win this poll(or lose it as the case may be)

Ireland is full of horribly ignorant people who reckon anything French is crap.
I'd vote for Land Rover aswell but it's not on the poll.

Hal1

ClioV6 wrote: »

bet Renault will win this poll(or lose it as the case may be)

Ireland is full of horribly ignorant people who reckon anything French is crap.
I'd vote for Land Rover aswell but it's not on the poll.

Reason for selling yours?

SV

Hal1 wrote: »

Reason for selling yours?

I've no need for 2 cars

SomeDude

GroupB - where are you???!! I'd be interested to hear your opinion

Biro

The most unreliable make would probably be the make that has more breakdowns per vehicle based on all vehicles undergoing the same treatment than any other. Since we can't judge based on equal conditions, the poll is nothing but opinions! People hate Fiat. Fiat could let Honda manufacture their cars from now on and people would still slag them off.

byte

Eric Cartman wrote: »

change it, my kia smug was growing there

+1

I had a Seat Leon (older model) which was particularly fond of breaking down, each issue being an expensive electrical one. I know two friends, who also bought similar Leon's all suffering from various different electrical issues.

Now have a pro_ce'ed (stupid name but nice car), which I hope will be more reliable. As an aside, anyone know who made the 1.6D engine used in the Kia's? Somebody told me it was same engine used by Ford, another told me it was made by FIAT, and Kia and Hyundai are under the one umbrella.

niceirishfella

Anan1 wrote: »

This is a ridiculous poll, TBH. What are the chances of any one person having owned all the cars on the list in the recent past? And how can anyone who hasn't even hazard a guess?

+1, Like I've had Cars since i was 18, and over 20 different ones, but not all these marques below.....and as for the proton option...FFS? Shure we might as throw in Yugo and FSO whilst we are at it so.:rolleyes:

Ford
Renault
Fiat
Peugeot
Citroen
Opel/Vauxhall
Seat
Kia
Hyundia
Proton

colm_mcm

There are statistics out there that tell what the least reliable cars are. I note with huge amusement that VW aren't on the list.

david

I have only driven 2 marques that you have included in the list. My first car was a horrible baby blue sh1tbox Opel Corsa... Loved that thing but it broke my heart over and over . So by my reckoning no other car in the world is worse than that horrible yoke, thats why I voted Opel. :eek:

SomeDude

colm_mcm wrote: »

There are statistics out there that tell what the least reliable cars are. I note with huge amusement that VW aren't on the list.

And I note with amusement the predictability of your response

Where are these statistics that put VW on the least reliable cars list???

L-M

SomeDude wrote: »

And I note with amusement the predictability of your response

Where are these statistics that put VW on the least reliable cars list???

I've one. My doors don't work. The airbag light is on. I always have trouble with it. Bulbs go, this that and the other thing. Drinks oil

Sold one to a friend, all of the above, plus it drinks oil more. All little annoying things. I could go on

VW are no more reliable than anything else, they just have that household name.

colm_mcm

SomeDude wrote: »

And I note with amusement the predictability of your response

Where are these statistics that put VW on the least reliable cars list???

Going on a survey I saw recently that was based on breakdowns, as opposed to faults, VW were on the wrong end of the table, whereas the likes of Hyundai were near the top.

My point is, there's no point in asking people what the most unreliable cars is, unless the aim is to tap into peoples prejudices as opposed to getting the correct answer.

Sofiztikated

I have yet to be in a VW that DOESN'T have the engine light on. A mechanic guy I know HATES working on them, and he gets more VW's than any other marque. Could be because they are fairly popular around here.

A friend bought a Fiat Bravo ages ago, before I could trump up the cash for it. He still reckons it was one of the best cars he ever had.

My brother had a servere amount of bother with Renaults, don't know why he kept buying them.

I personally don't like Renaults, but thats me. Fords are grand, I drive one now.

Sleipnir

Stekelly wrote: »

Their sister cars, Alfa Romeo are great though.


I would have thought VW or Audi in place of Proton would have been a much better option (certainly bassed on the reliability surveys anyway)

What a dreadful gaffe, I feel such a fool!

Alfa Romeo
• League position: 26th
• Claims per 100 vehicles: 39.4
• Average age (years): 4.05
• Average mileage: 47,068
• Average repair cost: £423
• Average time for repair (hours): 3.87

Volkswagen
• League position: 15th
• Claims per 100 vehicles: 30.1
• Average age (years): 4.49
• Average mileage: 49,174
• Average repair cost: £269
• Average time for repair (hours): 2.1

cashmni1

SomeDude wrote: »

And I note with amusement the predictability of your response

Where are these statistics that put VW on the least reliable cars list???

I have one, had to replace the 6-speed gearbox @ 64k miles. I have also owned 2 Peugeot cars in succession. I had 174k miles on the 405 and 135k miles on the 406 (before i sold it) and I encountered 2 problems over the lifespan of the 2 cars. One was a broken water hose on the 405,(cheap fix - wear and tear) and the other was a failed fuel pump lifter in the 406 (EUR 160 for the part - wear and tear also at well over 100k miles). I think you could call that fairly reliable - don't you?
I can tell you for a fact, VW should be on the poll.
Peugeot along with other marques will always be sh1tboxes to the Irish masses. It is wrong but who cares, once it has a Toyota badge, it will sell in this country -right?
BTW, I know of 2 people who had full engine replacements in a Toyota avensis and my buddy is on his 3rd gearbox in his "reliable as a brick sh1t house" avensis. (He even says that himself!!)
Mercedes went through a rough patch there a few years ago, but as far as I know, they are back on track now.

Wishbone Ash

Limerick-man wrote: »

19 people have voted Renault/Fiat.

Have any of those 19 owned either? Just out of curiousity...

I had a Volvo with a Renault engine. It was the greatest heap of shite. I was tempted to burn it several times. Never again. it put me off both makes for life!

congo_90

Hyundai not Hyundia unless thats the fake rolex version of a crappy car lol :pac:

alias no.9

Worst motors thread ever.

VolvoMan

ClioV6 wrote: »

bet Renault will win this poll(or lose it as the case may be)

Ireland is full of horribly ignorant people who reckon anything French is crap.
I'd vote for Land Rover aswell but it's not on the poll.

No one ever said they were crap. They just have a higher chance of unreliability than other cars.

+1 by the way for the inclusion of Volkswagen in the poll.

Guy:Incognito

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I have yet to be in a VW that DOESN'T have the engine light on. A mechanic guy I know HATES working on them, and he gets more VW's than any other marque. Could be because they are fairly popular around here.

Now that you mention it, my cousins Passat has had the engine light on for ages.:)

junkyard

Renault deserve to win this poll from my own experiences with them, absolute ****e, but in fairness Mercedes and VW should feature well there too, they're really not much better tbh. And no, Stekelly, I don't want another fight with you about Renaults, they might be fine for you but every single time I ever had any dealings with them they left me down and cost me a mint, I don't forgive and forget.:rolleyes:

bazz26

Poll results like these are far more unreliable than the car makes mentioned. :pac:

SV

VolvoMan wrote: »

No one ever said they were crap. They just have a higher chance of unreliability than other cars.

+1 by the way for the inclusion of Volkswagen in the poll.

other cars being?
because not all.

they're far more reliable than other cars.(to go by the same phrase)

niceirishfella

and another thing, where is BMW and Audi in the voting options?

Kinetic^

Rover


/thread

fryup

niceirishfella wrote: »

and another thing, where is BMW and Audi in the voting options?

jayus!!:rolleyes:........i'm blue in the face from saying this....i couldn't list every make under sun...there isn't a poll big enough.......so i just went for the usual suspects

but bye all means if there others that are not listed....feel free to mention them

nothing that is mentioned in this thread is set in stone ok

SV

fryup wrote: »

jayus!!:rolleyes:........i'm blue in the face from saying this....i couldn't list every make under sun...there isn't a poll big enough.......so i just went for the usual suspects

but bye all means if there others that are not listed....feel free to mention them

nothing that is mentioned in this thread is set in stone ok

Proton?!