X-Type Jag

PCwiggum

I'm thinking a lot about buying one of these, (probably 05 2.0D).
They seem good value at the moment across the water, and a nice looking car IMO.

Reviews from Parkers and What car seem good too, and I've read a few other posts on here. I'm particularly interested in hearing from any owners out there -

Anything to watch out when I'm buying?
Whats the servicing bills/parts like? (One I was looking at is due timing belt change around now, going by the mileage).

Cheers

lifer_sean

I bought a lovely black X-type 2.0D, XS model (Sport spec plus skirts etc) privately in Antrim in September - guy had got a company car. Car and story checked out perfectly. Lovely driver, lots of power, eyecatching. Has 18 inch alloys which are a curse on the roads I have to drive.

After about 6 wks glow plug light started flashing indicating an engine management problem. Diagnosed as the dump valve on the turbo. Problem is it doesn't come seperately; you have to buy the turbo complete. Not the same on Mondeo TDCi even though most other parts are the same. Quoted 1000 euro. Got a secondhand turbo from breakers for 500 euro, fitted just the dump valve (about 15 mins), car perfect since touch wood.

Re timing belt - I could be wrong but I thought these had chain drive ?

bazz26

Check out the VRT on them as afaik it can be expensive.

tred

bazz26 wrote: »

Check out the VRT on them as afaik it can be expensive.

2.0D should be ok. I believe somewhere around the 154mg...i think. Reliable car from all accounts. I like the estate myself. Its a consideration as the family starts growing!

PCwiggum

lifer_sean wrote: »

Re timing belt - I could be wrong but I thought these had chain drive ?

It could be chain drive - don't know meself

bazz26 wrote: »

Check out the VRT on them as afaik it can be expensive.

VRT isn't too bad, but there seems to be a big difference between the OMSP on the S and SE models - works out about €1000 in VRT.

kluivert

My uncle based in England bought one of these yesterday at a Jag dealer in Surrey.

British racing green with cream interior, dealer was looking for 10.5 sterling, uncle got it for 9k sterling, its a 2005 model with only 27k miles on the clock.

Bargain!

Henry Ford III

tred wrote: »

2.0D should be ok. I believe somewhere around the 154mg...i think. Reliable car from all accounts. I like the estate myself. Its a consideration as the family starts growing!

The estate is a good looking bus ok, and has useful load carrying capacity. BRG with cream leather looks great.

Revenue valuations are way off the mark btw.

Ta me anseo

Have one the past year now. Beautiful car to drive and the 2.0D has plenty of power considering the car weighs about 1,600 kgs empty! I get an average of about 45mpg from mine and comfortably manage 50mpg on long trips. All the same, high speed Motorway driving really hurts the economy so I only get 50mpg on National Roads really. 55 to 60mph seems to be the best speed. 75 or 80 will push you back towards 42-43mpg.

When I was researching the car before I bought it, I discovered that despite the fact that Jaguar has a terrible reputation for reliability, the X-Type itself is actually the most relaible non-Japanese car of the past 10 years. When you think about that and realise that that puts it ahead of the 320d which everyone else on the planet seems to want to drive, and all other BMW's. Mercs, Alfa's, etc, etc, it actually says a lot I think and probably has a lot to do with the Mondeo roots. For a different car that feels great to drive, and doesn't look like every second car on the road, I think you can do no better.

The only thing I wish is that I had waited until now to buy. The value in the UK is astounding, the exchange rate makes it even better, and the VRT is lower than it has ever been now because of the new emissions system. 159g/km I think for the X-Type.

The X has a timing chain. Not a belt.

For servicing, if you go to Spirit (only Jag dealer in Dub) a basic service will set you back at least 400-450 euro. If you need brake pads or other work done you are taking quite a bit more.

There are plenty of independent mechanics out there. The only issue is to find one that you trust. My experience of indys has been terrible so I use Spirit, but perhaps that say more about my networking than anything else!

Henry Ford III

Jags recent offerings have rated pretty well for reliabilty.

If I had an X Type 2.0d I'd get it serviced by a decent Indy, or even a Ford dealer. It's a Mondeo underneath. A lot of the parts are identical.

ji

Yes agree with henry ford its a ford engine so you don't need expensive specialist jap servicing.

bazz26

A good selection here:
http://www.autoquake.com/cars/make-jaguar/model-xtype

Voodoomelon

I love the look of these cars and their individuality. Pity the dash looks like the inside of a Rover, its quite poor in my opinion, put me off buying one. But they are exceptional value right now.

PCwiggum

Thanks for all the feedback guys

Ta me anseo

I know the general consensus for almost everyone out there will always be that the X is just a Mondeo in Jag clothing but, while true in some respects, the X is only about 20% Ford and 80% pure bred Jaguar. In reality that means that a Ford dealer may not be able to deal with an awful lot of issues or servicing. Jaguars main concern when introducing their first diesel was that it remains as quiet as possible. The basic engine may be taken from Ford but it has been completely reworked with additional noise monitoring sensors, different injectors and ecu, etc, etc. It is the same shell but different result. It would be a good idea to ensure that whoever you use has some decent knowledge of Jag specifics before you ask them solve any problems so you're not lead up the garden path.

I find the comment about the interior interesting! The X interior looks identical to other Jags such as the S-Type or XJ, with just the dimensions and minor detailing altered. I suppose you either like Jag interiors or you don't, but the X really is no different.

The only thing that may surprise you is that many X-Type Classics have cloth seats instead of leather, which completely ruins the feel of the interior in my opinion.

whiterebel

I couldn't believe it when i was offered a 2.0D X-Type for 31K brand new by a Jag dealer in Cork, including my 99 Passat. Fine car, 3 year warranty, but cramped in the back. Pity, as it was astounding value at that.

Henry Ford III

Ta me anseo wrote: »

I know the general consensus for almost everyone out there will always be that the X is just a Mondeo in Jag clothing but, while true in some respects, the X is only about 20% Ford and 80% pure bred Jaguar.

I'd say 80% Ford (chassis, engine, gearbox etc.) and 20% Jag.

Stevie Dakota

I really like these cars, but I am getting old. They are a lot of car for the cash, and look classy. A fully loaded 2005 2.0D SE estate for €16K, what's not to like?

ji

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

I really like these cars, but I am getting old. They are a lot of car for the cash, and look classy. A fully loaded 2005 2.0D SE estate for €16K, what's not to like?

Yes i agree a hell of a lot of car for the money and there supposed to be a excellent estate..

Voodoomelon

Ta me anseo wrote: »

I find the comment about the interior interesting! The X interior looks identical to other Jags such as the S-Type or XJ, with just the dimensions and minor detailing altered. I suppose you either like Jag interiors or you don't, but the X really is no different.

The only thing that may surprise you is that many X-Type Classics have cloth seats instead of leather, which completely ruins the feel of the interior in my opinion.

Lol, I know, bit of random statement, but the interior of the Sport model just reminds me of my mates Rover Streetwise, like you said the poor black cloth seats, the gear shift, speedo and rev dials and the awful 90s calculator displays don't give me the impression of a "jaguar" at all, if you will.

tred

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I'd say 80% Ford (chassis, engine, gearbox etc.) and 20% Jag.

I agree Henry. They do a nice 4wd version as well. but i think its only Petrol..

Drummerboy08

Just to let ye all know, apparently Jag Ireland announced today that the price of an X Type diesel has been reduced by €5000. So its now a €30000 car. Fancy one over a diesel mondeo for a few quid more?

The XF has been reduced by €10000, alot of car for the money. According to the BMW website, a similar 520d SE with the same spec is €60000 or there abouts. Makes the Jag a few quid cheaper..

mcwhirter

The Rover 75 diesel is a better car if you handle the old mans badge.
Same engine as bmw 320D at half the price.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/driver_power_2008/archive/

PCwiggum

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Just to let ye all know, apparently Jag Ireland announced today that the price of an X Type diesel has been reduced by €5000. So its now a €30000 car. Fancy one over a diesel mondeo for a few quid more?

The XF has been reduced by €10000, alot of car for the money. According to the BMW website, a similar 520d SE with the same spec is €60000 or there abouts. Makes the Jag a few quid cheaper..

So do you think this should reflect on the OMSP of a used model?
Was checking one out today - 2.0D SE 2006 57k mls @stg£;7k. VRT website puts a value of €22,500 on it though...

PCwiggum

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I'd say 80% Ford (chassis, engine, gearbox etc.) and 20% Jag.

Had a feeliing this Mondeo thing would be brought (going on previous threads), anyway I read thhis review by Andy Enright on the Charles Hurst website...

The 2.0-litre X-TYPE is priced close to the plusher Ford Mondeos and that near parity hides a key consideration because the X-TYPE actually rides on a modified Mondeo chassis, with around 20% of its parts shared with Ford’s middleweight.

He goes on to say..

Given the fact that pub bores may denigrate it as a Mondeo, nipping down to your local Ford dealer to pick up spares is often likely to result in a wasted journey.

Henry Ford III

Charles Hurst are presumably Jag and not Ford dealers?

maidhc

PCwiggum wrote: »

Given the fact that pub bores may denigrate it as a Mondeo, nipping down to your local Ford dealer to pick up spares is often likely to result in a wasted journey.

There is NOTHING wrong with it being a Ford Mondeo. The car had Ford engines, an MTX75 gearbox and plenty of switchgear. Just like the way an Audi A4 will share engines, gearboxes and plenty of other bits with a Skoda.

Drummerboy08

PCwiggum wrote: »

So do you think this should reflect on the OMSP of a used model?
Was checking one out today - 2.0D SE 2006 57k mls @stg£;7k. VRT website puts a value of €22,500 on it though...

It should be reflected in it yes, but it was never worth that in the first place.

I'll have to lower a residual on these cars when i have one going out on contract hire - granted i can now get it cheaper, but because of this, its now not worth as much.

So yeah, it should be but we both know that wont happen... Oh look, a pig just flew by my window....

PCwiggum

maidhc wrote: »

There is NOTHING wrong with it being a Ford Mondeo. The car had Ford engines, an MTX75 gearbox and plenty of switchgear. Just like the way an Audi A4 will share engines, gearboxes and plenty of other bits with a Skoda.

I didn't mean to sound as if it this was a bad thing, but going back to my original question which was about servicing costs etc., do you think if I brought an X-Type to my local Ford dealer for a regular service they will charge the same as if I brought in a Mondeo?

Henry Ford III

I couldn't imagine it'd be much different.

TommyT

My other half drives an XJ, not the worlds greatest car, but it was her choice. Ocassionally when it is in having a service or some warranty work dont, they give us an X Type as a courtesy car. I can safely say it is the worst car I have ever driven and it is simply down to the seats. It is impossible to find a comfortable driving position. I wouldnt take an X Type if I was given one for nothing. Do yourself a favour and buy a mondeo, which is a better all round car.

LOTTOWINNER

TommyT wrote: »

I can safely say it is the worst car I have ever driven

How many different cars have you driven in your life?

cianclarke

TommyT wrote: »

My other half drives an XJ, not the worlds greatest car, but it was her choice. Ocassionally when it is in having a service or some warranty work dont, they give us an X Type as a courtesy car. I can safely say it is the worst car I have ever driven and it is simply down to the seats. It is impossible to find a comfortable driving position. I wouldnt take an X Type if I was given one for nothing. Do yourself a favour and buy a mondeo, which is a better all round car.

The seats? Have to say I find this *VERY* hard to believe. Never driven an X (although an S-type plenty), but I can't see the drivers seat being overly different - i've found it exceptionally comfortable, and I'm 6'3".

EPM

does anyone else remember an article in autocar a few years back where this guy had bought a 3 year old one at auction i think with 309k up on it. Apparently owned by a rep who preferred to come home rather than stay in a hotel over night. Think it was the 2 litre petrol but going through the service history it was just normal year and tear stuff. Dont think it had any major work done. It even looked mint in the photos

LoveDucati2

Hi guys, the X type Jag is a lovely car.

Chain driven so no expensive belts

Faults
A common fault is the ERG valve which causes the car to smoke excessively.
They never made an Auto available (until now)

Servicing, I hate the prices Garages quote, it is the biggest rip off, if I can do a full service in 20 minutes on my own at my house what the F**k are they charging for

Very cheap,
every 15,000 miles oil (€30) and filter (€14),

buy them yourself from a motor factor and get a garage to do it (€30),

every 30k change the fuel filter €50 and air filter €15.

Change brake fluid every 60k

Tyres a nice set of Dunlops for €300 fitted and balanced should last 50,000 miles

And thats it, your yearly service should be €80 minor service and €130 major. Make sure car has FSH Jaguar before you buy.

Also the Rover 75 diesel (BMW 320 engine) is a fabulous car, I have a 01 Auto Conn SE in Burgendy with 135k miles on the clock, I have owned it 4 years, servicing charges are identical to Jag but interior and electrics and drive are better than BMW 3 and 5 series, do not listen to people who laugh at Rover, this is the best car BMW made for them, do not touch the petrols, but if you want a cheap S Type Jag type luxury car that will do 45-60mpg then get one of these.

Drummerboy08

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

Hi guys, the X type Jag is a lovely car.

Chain driven so no expensive belts

Faults
A common fault is the ERG valve which causes the car to smoke excessively.
They never made an Auto available (until now)

Servicing, I hate the prices Garages quote, it is the biggest rip off, if I can do a full service in 20 minutes on my own at my house what the F**k are they charging for

Very cheap,
every 15,000 miles oil (€30) and filter (€14),

buy them yourself from a motor factor and get a garage to do it (€30),

every 30k change the fuel filter €50 and air filter €15.

Change brake fluid every 60k

Tyres a nice set of Dunlops for €300 fitted and balanced should last 50,000 miles

And thats it, your yearly service should be €80 minor service and €130 major. Make sure car has FSH Jaguar before you buy.

Also the Rover 75 diesel (BMW 320 engine) is a fabulous car, I have a 01 Auto Conn SE in Burgendy with 135k miles on the clock, I have owned it 4 years, servicing charges are identical to Jag but interior and electrics and drive are better than BMW 3 and 5 series, do not listen to people who laugh at Rover, this is the best car BMW made for them, do not touch the petrols, but if you want a cheap S Type Jag type luxury car that will do 45-60mpg then get one of these.

Unfortunately the one big hole in your service yourself theory is the majority of motorists cant find the switch to open the bonnet let alone how to service there own car. Other problem with it is when it comes time to sell it you have no service history.

And the reason a garage will charge you for a service is because

a - they are providing a service for you, they aint a charity
b - they have overheads, probably alot more than you have.

But if you can service your own car, and want to save a few bob, crack on!

LoveDucati2

[quote=Drummerboy08

And the reason a garage will charge you for a service is because

a - they are providing a service for you, they aint a charity

they are ripping people off by maintaining that 2 hours labour is required to do a service



b - they have overheads, probably alot more than you have.

they are ripping people off

But if you can service your own car, and want to save a few bob, crack on![/quote]

I have a garage that service my car and I provide the parts. they charge 1/2 hour labour which is all it should cost

my comment is to the people that have quoted 400 to 450 for a jaguar yearly service, if you buy a 4 year old Jaguar car then you intend keeping it for a few years so once you get it serviced you fill in your own service history and get the garage to stamp it.

Drummerboy08

Why would the garage stamp it if they didnt service it?

Doesnt that make it a false service history? Which means when you sell the car and something goes wrong with it, you are liable as you sold the car under false pretences?

LoveDucati2

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Why would the garage stamp it if they didnt service it?

Doesnt that make it a false service history? Which means when you sell the car and something goes wrong with it, you are liable as you sold the car under false pretences?

read the post

I get it serviced by a garage and provide the parts

they stamp the service book


what did you not understand:pac:

Drummerboy08

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

once you get it serviced you fill in your own service history and get the garage to stamp it.

Sounds to me like you get it serviced once, then you fill in your own service history and get it stamped by the dealer while servicing it yourself?

pburns

TommyT wrote: »

My other half drives an XJ, not the worlds greatest car, but it was her choice. Ocassionally when it is in having a service or some warranty work dont, they give us an X Type as a courtesy car. I can safely say it is the worst car I have ever driven and it is simply down to the seats. It is impossible to find a comfortable driving position. I wouldnt take an X Type if I was given one for nothing. Do yourself a favour and buy a mondeo, which is a better all round car.

A bit OTT I think. People come in all shapes and sizes with all kinds of hang-ups. One man's meat is another man's poison and all of that... Seating comfort can be can be a very personal, particular thing. Can take me weeks to get fully accustomed to new seats when I change car.

The X-type? It won't go down as a great sucess for Jaguar and it certainly doesn't compete with 3 series but it's a good value, distinctive motor. I'd say a diesel model with decent spec would be a canny buy.

Also Jags have had amazing reliability the last 5 years or so. Pity the last generation of models were hampered by olde worde styling. The XK, XF are next XJ will blow away a few cobwebs. X-Type won't be replaced AFAIK but I think a modern 3-series rival on a RWD platform would go down a bomb...

LoveDucati2

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Sounds to me like you get it serviced once, then you fill in your own service history and get it stamped by the dealer while servicing it yourself?

Only a moron would do that

The only person you would be conning would be yourself as its your own car

Who in their right mind would drive a car without proper servicing records to show what had been done to it

LoveDucati2

TommyT wrote: »

My other half drives an XJ, not the worlds greatest car, but it was her choice. Ocassionally when it is in having a service or some warranty work dont, they give us an X Type as a courtesy car. I can safely say it is the worst car I have ever driven and it is simply down to the seats. It is impossible to find a comfortable driving position. I wouldnt take an X Type if I was given one for nothing. Do yourself a favour and buy a mondeo, which is a better all round car.

Hi Tommy, what year is your wifes car

Voodoomelon

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

Change brake fluid every 60k

Tyres a nice set of Dunlops for €300 fitted and balanced should last 50,000

Surely neither of them can be right? I'm not saying i'm right, but brake fluid is normally 2 years at a stretch, and i'm not sure I know of any tyres that last that long?

Happy to be proved wrong, sounds like an efficient car.

PCwiggum

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

Hi guys, the X type Jag is a lovely car.

Chain driven so no expensive belts

Faults
A common fault is the ERG valve which causes the car to smoke excessively.
They never made an Auto available (until now)

Servicing, I hate the prices Garages quote, it is the biggest rip off, if I can do a full service in 20 minutes on my own at my house what the F**k are they charging for

Very cheap,
every 15,000 miles oil (€30) and filter (€14),

buy them yourself from a motor factor and get a garage to do it (€30),

every 30k change the fuel filter €50 and air filter €15.

Change brake fluid every 60k

Tyres a nice set of Dunlops for €300 fitted and balanced should last 50,000 miles

And thats it, your yearly service should be €80 minor service and €130 major. Make sure car has FSH Jaguar before you buy.

Also the Rover 75 diesel (BMW 320 engine) is a fabulous car, I have a 01 Auto Conn SE in Burgendy with 135k miles on the clock, I have owned it 4 years, servicing charges are identical to Jag but interior and electrics and drive are better than BMW 3 and 5 series, do not listen to people who laugh at Rover, this is the best car BMW made for them, do not touch the petrols, but if you want a cheap S Type Jag type luxury car that will do 45-60mpg then get one of these.

Cheers for that LoveDucati2, exactly the type of information I was looking for - and hoping to hear, although I have to agree with Voodoomelon on the tyres.

I also came across this service check sheet on the jaguarforum site - nothing much out of the ordinary...

http://www.jaguarforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=17878&sid=8a8746ca8203cf26003d41ed93b84794

LoveDucati2

Sorry of course brake fluid should be every 2 years .. apologies

We got 60,000 miles out of set of michelins on wifes car C3 diesel, still over 2mm thread left before popping on a new set.

My Rover 75 diesel Auto has 30k on set on Dunlops, 5mm left all round, lot of motorway miles.

PCwiggum

I finally got my hands on one of these.
It's an '05 2.0D Sport Premium. Very pleased.:)

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Thanks for all the comments and advice. I'm off to do my bit for our failing economy on Monday. (VRT)

whiterebel

Nice car, best of luck with it.

Voodoomelon

Lovely looking car, best of luck!

unkel

Well wear

Henry Ford III

Nice car. Best of luck with it.

PCwiggum

Thanks guys