I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more!

Sanjuro · 08-01-2009 9:07pm #1

I'd like to ask a question or three. When is it that we, the Irish people say enough is enough with this government? At what point do we turf this shambolic government out of power? Are we forever destined to collectively bend over and take it from a group of people who are either absolutely oblivious to the plight of the people or are so inherently feckless and corrupt that they hide their heads in the sand while the country they claim to represents crumbles around them?

A bank system that is run by a bunch of white-collar criminals; a health system that makes catching an illness a death sentence; criminals who murder innocent civilians with little in the way of justice; a complete ignorance of the democratic process and subsequent unwillingness to represent us in Europe; a budget that, if written in fiction would be laughed at; corruption; incompetence; and allowing companies to jump the ship of Ireland like rats abandoning the Titanic.

I know the alternative to the government is in no way attractive, but this attitude of 'better the devil you know' is killing us. Cowen and his cadre of mutant-looking fools are quite obviously inept. But still, we just sit and grumble. Is there a point where we say 'no more' and take to the streets? When is this? What alternative is there to the government we have? Surely there is some way out of the horrible quagmire this country seems to be stuck in. Is this the best it is, and it's all down hill from here?!

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Gordon · 08-01-2009 9:08pm

Start the revolution.

TPD · 08-01-2009 9:09pm

Yup, we're boned.

Berty · 08-01-2009 9:09pm

Why? You let them take the piss when everybody had money and everybody was riding the crest of the wave.

daveirl · 08-01-2009 9:10pm

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Huggles · 08-01-2009 9:11pm

I'd sooner see Richard Bruton incharge of the finances now than Lenihan.

pepsicokeacola · 08-01-2009 9:11pm

Sanjuro wrote: »

criminals who murder innocent civilians with little in the way of justice;
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doesnt happen that much in ireland compared to other countries.

Agamemnon · 08-01-2009 9:15pm

Sanjuro wrote: »

Surely there is some way out of the horrible quagmire

Giggity, giggity!

Sanjuro · 08-01-2009 9:16pm

Hey, I'm only now getting to the age where I give a crap about this kind of thing. School, college and the usual travelling malarkay all happened while this celtic tiger thing was going on. But I did sit and watch my father slowly kill himself trying to keep his business afloat when Haughey was telling the country to tighten their belts while receiving brown envelopes under the table. He did manage to hang on, but it cost him. And my family. I didn't really understand back then, but I'm showing an interest now. So while I might not be up to speed, and I am definately a product of that era, at least I am actually now trying to educate myself. I work hard, I pay my taxes. I exercise my democratic privilage when the oppertunity arises. So I don't expect anything handed to me on a plate. Anything I get, I've earned.

skelliser · 08-01-2009 9:17pm

im also as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08

stoneroses · 08-01-2009 9:18pm

Hmm....

We had our chance last year and the people voted them back in.

Lockstep · 08-01-2009 9:19pm

Is that you RUn_to_da_hills?

marcsignal · 08-01-2009 9:21pm

Huggles wrote: »

I'd sooner see Richard Bruton incharge of the finances now than Lenihan.

+1

I'd rather see Richard Bruton in charge, full stop.

AlmightyCushion · 08-01-2009 9:23pm

http://todaysseniorsnetwork.com/popeye.jpg

That's all I can stands, and I can't stands no more.

shenanigans1982 · 08-01-2009 9:24pm

Sanjuro wrote: »

I'd like to ask a question or three. When is it that we, the Irish people say enough is enough with this government? At what point do we turf this shambolic government out of power? Are we forever destined to collectively bend over and take it from a group of people who are either absolutely oblivious to the plight of the people or are so inherently feckless and corrupt that they hide their heads in the sand while the country they claim to represents crumbles around them?

A bank system that is run by a bunch of white-collar criminals; a health system that makes catching an illness a death sentence; criminals who murder innocent civilians with little in the way of justice; a complete ignorance of the democratic process and subsequent unwillingness to represent us in Europe; a budget that, if written in fiction would be laughed at; corruption; incompetence; and allowing companies to jump the ship of Ireland like rats abandoning the Titanic.

I know the alternative to the government is in no way attractive, but this attitude of 'better the devil you know' is killing us. Cowen and his cadre of mutant-looking fools are quite obviously inept. But still, we just sit and grumble. Is there a point where we say 'no more' and take to the streets? When is this? What alternative is there to the government we have? Surely there is some way out of the horrible quagmire this country seems to be stuck in. Is this the best it is, and it's all down hill from here?!

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And if that aint bad enough there are people out there who piss in the sink........piss in the sink. Country is going to hell.

Surion · 08-01-2009 9:26pm

To OP,
You would be amazed at how insensed I've become talking to friends along the lines of what you just wrote! In fact, they have this rediculous attitude of 'what can you do?'.

Quite frankly, while I agree with you 199% and am SO annoyed, what indeed can we do? The Irish people voted this gang of utter incompetants into power a THIRD time, they (and unfortunately we) deserve the idiocy. While 60% of the voting population didn't infact vote the a return for Fianna Fail, we didn't sadly choose a viable alternative.

Again, I agree, what alternative. But ANY alternative at this point. They are tired, don't care, and certainly do NOT represent the people. Any walk down the corridors in Brussels would inform you that. Why aren't we up in arms over 1 woman who died, told her story on radio while she was still alive, yet one minister with power, supposed authority and control quite frankly fiddled while rome burned??????? Thats just Health, how many stories do we all have for the other departments.

I'm sorry to say it but we deserve them. The people don't care, why should those elected by them care either? I was told by a friend before voting, that any other government would be raising taxes and would take us down the swanny within weeks. Imagine!!!

- an irate reader in agreement with OP!

Steyr · 08-01-2009 9:27pm

Michael O'Leary for El Presidente, and im not joking either, the present Government is a joke.

Darragh29 · 08-01-2009 9:28pm

Agreed, but what can we do??? I've asked that on several threads on here and there is a genuine difficulty in seeing what can be done. What is the answer, what is the appropriate form of protest??

At this stage, the problems are well known, but what is unknown is how to get rid of this government.

shenanigans1982 · 08-01-2009 9:29pm

Steyr wrote: »

Michael O'Leary for El Presidente, and im not joking either, the present Government is a joke.

So is Ryanair.

Although they do have good ads so he may put together some good Government propaganda.

Huggles · 08-01-2009 9:29pm

What I would like to do:

Pull Cowen and his gang out by the ears and get Richard Bruton in charge. At least on the finance side he has the necessary skills to best decide what we should do next.

Darragh29 wrote: »

Agreed, but what can we do??? I've asked that on several threads on here and there is a genuine difficulty in seeing what can be done. What is the answer, what is the appropriate form of protest??

At this stage, the problems are well known, but what is unknown is how to get rid of this government.

WoollyRedHat · 08-01-2009 9:31pm

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

And if that aint bad enough there are people out there who piss in the sink........piss in the sink. Country is going to hell.

Yep, it's going down the toilet alright. Or not in this case, maybe

Sanjuro · 08-01-2009 9:35pm

Surion wrote: »

To OP,
You would be amazed at how insensed I've become talking to friends along the lines of what you just wrote! In fact, they have this rediculous attitude of 'what can you do?'.

Quite frankly, while I agree with you 199% and am SO annoyed, what indeed can we do? The Irish people voted this gang of utter incompetants into power a THIRD time, they (and unfortunately we) deserve the idiocy. While 60% of the voting population didn't infact vote the a return for Fianna Fail, we didn't sadly choose a viable alternative.

Again, I agree, what alternative. But ANY alternative at this point. They are tired, don't care, and certainly do NOT represent the people. Any walk down the corridors in Brussels would inform you that. Why aren't we up in arms over 1 woman who died, told her story on radio while she was still alive, yet one minister with power, supposed authority and control quite frankly fiddled while rome burned??????? Thats just Health, how many stories do we all have for the other departments.

I'm sorry to say it but we deserve them. The people don't care, why should those elected by them care either? I was told by a friend before voting, that any other government would be raising taxes and would take us down the swanny within weeks. Imagine!!!

- an irate reader in agreement with OP!

People can't be so inherently stupid and self-destructive that they're just willing to allow the country to self-destruct though, are they? Good will and loyalty are all fine and good, but there comes a point where the good will is used up and the alternative must be given a chance. Things are already a disaster, so a change in power certainly is better than driving down the same doomed road.

dr.bollocko · 08-01-2009 9:35pm

It doesnt matter who we elect. There is no government in the world that you could assemble that could make a global recession just disappear.
The trick is to try and work at keeping hold of jobs and finding ways to spend on improvements to roads, hospitals, schools etc. That's a toughie though. I am not defending the current government at all. I think that they are an absolute ****ing disgrace. But I am just saying that even if the alternative to the current government were some sort of political dream team they would still find it tough to guide us through the times ahead and provide the security that people need right now.
I mean I could do it. But nobody has asked me yet.

Myxomatosis · 08-01-2009 9:36pm

Democracy is an illusion. You cannot do anything about it. They are there and there to stay until the next scheduled election.

What difference would it make putting another bunch of morons in their place anyway. All the alternatives are politicians. The kind of people who want to become, and become politicians are not the type of people who are fit to run a country. Politics is about kissing arse and winning votes. Nobody in politics has any real qualification to be there other than being a smarmy slimy bastard who won votes from a majority of idiots.

Darragh29 · 08-01-2009 9:37pm

Huggles wrote: »

What I would like to do:

Pull Cowen and his gang out by the ears and get Richard Bruton in charge. At least on the finance side he has the necessary skills to best decide what we should do next.

That's grand, but how do we get a general election??? Personally I'd like to try the option they took in Thailand recently to get their house in order but the rest of the country probably won't be up for it!

So how do we get a general election???

Kersh · 08-01-2009 9:40pm

In fairness, with regard to the rats abandoning the sinking ship, so long as the average industrial wage remains so high, we will never attract big investing companies to our shores... and that has F all to do with the Government. Thats the people.

We should be attracting these big companies due to our very low corporation tax... but the monthly costs of running a business here is appalling.

The company I run/manage was put here by a UK HQ, and they were appalled at the cost of things.. I had to explain it all.. Cost of fleet insurance, building insurance compared to Uk,... about the only thing the government was responsible for was the VRT, which horrified them. Our 4 vehicle fleet cost as much as they got 9 cars for in the UK! And our insurance is the same as their 22 car fleet over there!
Ridiculous.

Ireland is horrifically expensive to run a company in. And wages is at the core of it. And be they public or private, I cant see the whole country taking a 20% cut to get it started again, can you?

badabinbadaboom · 08-01-2009 9:41pm

I know, what can we do?!? Tbh Im starting to thing the last general election was rigged, surely were not stupid enough to have voted these useless blood suckers in again and again? Its time this whole country pulled its head out of its ass and voted for people who are competent and who actuall want to be politicians for the Job and not the big paycheck!!
Hold on I know!! Lets make all political positions non paying! then the only people who would want to do the job would be people who actually give a ****!!

themadchef · 08-01-2009 9:43pm

Lookit, it doesnt matter who is in the driving seat... the plane is crashing folks.
No one can magically fix the balls that has been made over the last decade. It's going to take a hero, a cowboy, someone well educated, well connected and well hung fit to run the country

This time next year we will be laughing at how good we have it now!

Huggles · 08-01-2009 9:45pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

So how do we get a general election???

Assassination?

galwayrush · 08-01-2009 9:45pm

After hearing people in Mayo backing brass neck Cooper Flynn all the way after what was exposed this week, i'm just going to give up.:mad:

dmcg90 · 08-01-2009 9:46pm

But is the alternate any better?

Huggles · 08-01-2009 9:46pm

themadchef wrote: »

and well hung fit to run the country

I Have it on very good authority that Richard Bruton is hung liek a cheshire horse.

badabinbadaboom · 08-01-2009 9:46pm

Huggles wrote: »

Assassination?

=1

Huggles · 08-01-2009 9:48pm

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=s8T0Q03oJSc

badabinbadaboom · 08-01-2009 9:51pm

Why not Eddie Hobbs as Finance Minister?

iMax · 08-01-2009 9:51pm

stoneroses wrote: »

Hmm....

We had our chance last year and the people voted them back in.

Nobody voted Brian Cowen in as Taoiseach.

If this was France we'd have a guillotine erected on the lawn of Leinster house by now

Darragh29 wrote: »

Agreed, but what can we do???

We need 20,000 people to turn up at the entrance to Leinster House every day for a month & block their entrance. Let them know we don't want them in there.

dmcg90 wrote: »

But is the alternate any better?

Won't know unless we try

drunkmonkey · 08-01-2009 9:53pm

Sanjuro wrote: »

What alternative is there to the government we have?

This is where our President should step(with the aid of our defence forces)and Dissolve Dail Eireann.

Hagar · 08-01-2009 9:57pm

I tried FF, I tried FG, I tried DF and I tried the PDs. All the same.
The one that worked for me was GTFO.
South of France is lovely.

WoollyRedHat · 08-01-2009 9:58pm

badabinbadaboom wrote: »

Why not Eddie Hobbs as Finance Minister?

I will be going to the ent to ask them to remove my ears in that case.

Hagar wrote: »

I tried FF, I tried FG, I tried DF and I tried the PDs. All the same.
The one that worked for me was GTFO.
South of France is lovely.

So you settled on SF in the end then?

Myxomatosis · 08-01-2009 9:59pm

badabinbadaboom wrote: »

=1

Assassination = 1 does it?

Fingers to fat to use the shift key properly?

galwayrush · 08-01-2009 10:00pm

We need Ming The Merciless:D

Elessar · 08-01-2009 10:02pm

EVERYTHING is the governments fault.

You hear that Cowen?! I was 5 mins late for work today! If your stinking gubment had of invested in a new motorway right outside my door this would never have happened!!1

How much longer are we as a nation going to keep bending over for this shambolic state1!!! IWANT ANSWERS.

Riddle101 · 08-01-2009 10:11pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

This is where our President should step(with the aid of our defence forces)and Dissolve Dail Eireann.

Unfortunately the President is a puppet(or muppet if you prefer) she will never get off of her ass because she is quite happy to sit in the Aras and watch the city crumble because it's all expenses paid for her and it dosen't effect her

Hagar wrote: »

I tried FF, I tried FG, I tried DF and I tried the PDs. All the same.
The one that worked for me was GTFO.
South of France is lovely.

Did you try Labour?

Anyway i agree with the OP about the government, but what can we do? I mean we don't have any good politicians, they all seem to have their own agendas and also seem to be just as bad the each other. The only thing we can do now is pray for a messiah like figure to come out of nowhere and lead us.

badabinbadaboom · 08-01-2009 10:15pm

Myxomatosis wrote: »

Assassination = 1 does it?

Fingers to fat to use the shift key properly?

No, fingers to long and narrow to be directed properly, also lazyness:pac:

drunkmonkey · 08-01-2009 10:15pm

Riddle101 wrote: »

Unfortunately the President is a puppet(or muppet if you prefer) she will never get off of her ass because she is quite happy to sit in the Aras and watch the city crumble because it's all expenses paid for her and it dosen't effect her

In our constitution it says the president is a man....but I don't see any balls on Mary.......

thelordofcheese · 08-01-2009 10:16pm

I'm begining to think we're going to need a forum for these kind of threads.

Something like "the impotent rage" forum (dibs on being the mod).

Or the OP and everyone who agrees with him could stop crying and get involved in politics. If all options are so horribly awful then you're going to have to do it yourselves. Change isn't going to happen just because you get really mad and type angry posts on the internets, or wish really hard for a miracle.

badabinbadaboom · 08-01-2009 10:17pm

Riddle101 wrote: »

Unfortunately the President is a puppet(or muppet if you prefer) she will never get off of her ass because she is quite happy to sit in the Aras and watch the city crumble because it's all expenses paid for her and it dosen't effect her

Did you try Labour?

Anyway i agree with the OP about the government, but what can we do? I mean we don't have any good politicians, they all seem to have their own agendas and also seem to be just as bad the each other. The only thing we can do now is pray for a messiah like figure to come out of nowhere and lead us.

We need an Irish Barrack Obama!! Oh no wait he is Irish.........

DonJose · 08-01-2009 10:19pm

I am glad that the government was voted back in, but only because I want to see them take FULL BLAME for this mess they have gotten us into.Our Celtic Tiger years was based on a property boom that history showed could never be substained. Investors drove up property prices to levels where first time buyers were priced out of the market, instead of hitting investors with higher taxes, investors were awarded tax free incentives to snatch up as may propertes as possible. When companies which are making huge profits decide to move manufacturing abroad then you know the sh!t has hit. The worst is yet to come!!!

Sanjuro · 08-01-2009 10:22pm

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I'm begining to think we're going to need a forum for these kind of threads.

Something like "the impotent rage" forum (dibs on being the mod).

Or the OP and everyone who agrees with him could stop crying and get involved in politics. If all options are so horribly awful then you're going to have to do it yourselves. Change isn't going to happen just because you get really mad and type angry posts on the internets, or wish really hard for a miracle.

Oh, I'm sorry. Here was I thinking the internet was for the free exchange of information and opinion. Well by all means, get your own forum where you can preside over it as some sort of facist dictator. As for the rest of us, we'll 'cry' here for the moment. If it bothers you that much, by all means... clickety.

Guy:Incognito · 08-01-2009 10:23pm

Sanjuro wrote: »

and allowing companies to jump the ship of Ireland like rats abandoning the Titanic]

What should they do? Kidnap Michael Dell and demmand he stay?

No Western country can compete for the likes of Dell when there are peopel in the East willing to work for €3 an hour. It's just not possible.

Where we all the threads giving out about everyone gettign paid so much and how we should keep wages down? Everyone was quite happy for their pay to keep going up and up.

thelordofcheese · 08-01-2009 10:27pm

Sanjuro wrote: »

Oh, I'm sorry. Here was I thinking the internet was for the free exchange of information and opinion. Well by all means, get your own forum where you can preside over it as some sort of facist dictator. As for the rest of us, we'll 'cry' here for the moment. If you don't like it, feel free to... clickety.

Ohh, godwin'd.
And alot earlier than i'd expected.

People have been complaining since well before the budget, don't you think the time for bleating about how bad the gubberment is kinda done?
You've had your cry time, now either try and enact some goddamn change or just wait and hope someone else will do it.

I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more!

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