SIMI talking sh*te...

Darragh29

I was down with a friend yesterday who had two Irish Motor Industry trade magazines in his office that I took home with me for a read...

(1) Irish Motor Management (Nov/Dec 2008 edition)

(2) Auto Trade Journal (Vol 12 Issue 6 2008)

Between these two publications, the SIMI are pushing for the following solutions to be put in place for their dealer members:

(A) The well known rant regarding VRT not being paid on UK/NI imports and how this is effecting the Irish Motor Dealer.

(B) They also want a repeat of the scrappage scheme to get rid of cars on the road that are ten years old or more.

Now, it just happened that another mate of mine, last week decided to look at a BMW X5. He wanted a 2008 low mileage model. He was looking at one down here and the price worked out around 90K. He ended up buying a higher spec & lower mileage 2008 X5 up in the north, for 60K, including his VRT liability, saving himself 30K.

Say we take all the illegal UK/NI cars off the road immediately, there is still a huge difference in price between NI and here, based on doing a legitimate transaction. So I think this hot air from SIMI is nothing more than grandstanding for their dealer members.

On the subject of (B) above, in all reality, how many cars ten years or older are on the roads now??? I imagine the folks who are driving these cars are driving them because they cannot afford a new car. This is no poor relection on anyone, but the folks I see driving older cars now seem to be mainly foreign nationals, who are probably the group most likely to be leaving the country at this time, so why would they buy a new car under a scrappage scheme??? Also, they seem a put a greater importance on the value of money than the Irish and might be happy enough with a ten year old car that is just for around town, and on this basis wouldn't be in the market for a new car.

Whatever about (B) below which I fully accept is debatable, the idea that if we cleared all UK/NI cars that no VRT was paid on off the road, that this would resolve the issues that SIMI dealers are experiencing, is a sad joke.

I wouldn't have believed it only my mate told me he saved 30K last week by legitimately importing a NI X5 instead of buying it down here. How on earth can that type of price difference be justified???

Danbo!

Darragh29 wrote: »

I wouldn't have believed it only my mate told me he saved 30K last week by legitimately importing a NI X5 instead of buying it down here. How on earth can that type of price difference be justified???

Well it cant, but for the last few years people have been buying at the price they see, as regards cars, holidays, everything. Too much money, no research done on what they are getting and what is available elsewhere. Hopefully now with money a lot tighter people will realise that Ireland is being charged extortionate prices for cars, paying premiums above other countries, all for a lower shitty 'paddy' spec.

tw0nk

bloody SIMI

JJJJNR

30k is a lot, and is very plausible. an X5 35D is 51,000 euros up north and 100k down here.. crazy

NI -

http://search.autotrader.ie/www/cars_advert?country=IE&sort=5&currency=GBP&modelexact=1&make=BMW&model=X5&min_pr=&max_pr=&county_list=1_2_8_9_17_27_33&x=52&y=10&id=200849191110841

IR -

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/X5/3.0-SD-T/200840190225219/advert

modm3

Since when did SIMI ever not talk s*ite ?

They're a lobby group end of, pity our version, the AA didn't have such bite. Afterall, we are the ones with the ultimate power. Instead of the Irish motor industry (representatives) pointing to it's benefits, it acts like a child and blames everything else. If UK imports were so bad - why are so many of your own members doing it ?

Also, I drive a 13 yr old car, but would you scrap a 320bhp M3 off a shiny new Focus ?? I'm Irish too BTW

mumblin deaf ro

There are still quite a lot of cars of the road with 99 regs and older*. Some people just don't change their cars unless they absolutely have to. One of the most senior guys in our job (earning over €200K per year) drives a 1995 Mazda of some sort.

*Irish people that is - lots of people on my street drive cars that old, and not just learners either.

Eoin

10 years old does not necessarily mean it's fit for the junk yard or that people can't afford a newer one.

old boy

i drive an 1991 merc 180e no way would i get rid of it, i paid 650 lids for i with a 10 month test, before that i had an 89 space wagon that i got for nothing, any way i am a banger mobile addict, actually not only do i detist simi i actually despise them as well, the gov. may well assist them in an attempt to bring in must needed revenue, BUT will people fall for that any more, i.m.o. the introduction of the n.c.t. helped the scrappage system to take off the last time, people are not as guillable any more, as they have learned the best way thro their pockets, once burned always wary.

Paulw0t

eoin wrote: »

10 years old does not necessarily mean it's fit for the junk yard or that people can't afford a newer one.

I've a 99 Golf Diesel with less than 90k miles on it, could see it doing another 5 or 6 years, 10 years really isn't old if a car is well looked after.

Blazer

Bought my car 05 Nissan Primera brand new..17 months later I couldn't give it away. So I'm going to drive it till it lasts.
Fcuk you SIMI, Fcuk u FF/GP/ and fcuk you car dealers.
Next car's coming from the UK after that

JJJJNR

Group buy of some Fu*k YOU SIMI bumper stickers?!?

dp639

Darragh29 wrote: »

On the subject of (B) above, in all reality, how many cars ten years or older are on the roads now??? I imagine the folks who are driving these cars are driving them because they cannot afford a new car

There are many, many reasons why people drive 10 year cars, and not all of them are to do with not affording new cars. I drive a little 1.4 1999 VW Golf, but I also have a 05 Impreza STI and the wife a 05 Landcruiser. Reason I have the Golf is that we hung on to it over the years so that I can use it during the week to park at the train station and not have to worry about it.

Its in great nick and 10 years isnt really old for a car nowadays, cheap tax and cheap insurance.

But maybe you are right about me after all, as I've never bought a 'new' car, always secondhand and always from the north.

BeardyGit

Yeah, my car's a 97, bought in '07 with about 70k miles on it and a full history. It's still got a full service history and just over 100k on it. It's fully loaded with electrics, heated seats, ABS etc, it's safe and even with the higher taxation on the old scheme, it's still more economical in cost over the year.

My mechanic says he's having a great run lately as people tidy up what they have instead of just letting it go to the dogs. People have finally copped onto this nonsense and are no longer accepting the depreciation on new cars. They've realised that they just can't afford it, especially with the recent devaluation of so many used cars....

Why would anyone pay €400+ a month to drive a newer car, with no good reason for changing? Economical motoring is all about keeping a car well, and for longer. That's what'll hurt SIMI members the most. The writing is on the wall....

Expect the average age of cars on the road to increase again. It's recession time folks.

Gil

Darragh29

LIGHTNING wrote: »

SIMI make it out that all cars over 10 years are practically waiting time bombs. Just because we aren`t all rushing out to please the car industry doesnt mean our cars are dangerous and pollute the enviorment horribly.

To be honest, they are pathethic in their approach to the well known problems in the industry. What is happening is an adjustment in the market. This would be an ideal time for the SIMI to improve the standard of aftersales service in the industry, but what are they doing??? Trying to push through another scrappage scheme and trying to convince anyone who will listen that UK/NI imports that have not had the VRT paid on them is the problem!

The problem with the SIMI is that it is an old boys association of vested interests. The same problems that exist within the motor industry, exist within the SIMI, lack of forward thinking, an absence of vision if there ever was one, and a refusal to advocate on the part of the customer. They can't see further than the next ten pound note...

eringobragh

Darragh29 wrote: »

I was down with a friend yesterday who had two Irish Motor Industry trade magazines in his office that I took home with me for a read...

(1) Irish Motor Management (Nov/Dec 2008 edition)

(2) Auto Trade Journal (Vol 12 Issue 6 2008)

Between these two publications, the SIMI are pushing for the following solutions to be put in place for their dealer members:

(A) The well known rant regarding VRT not being paid on UK/NI imports and how this is effecting the Irish Motor Dealer.

(B) They also want a repeat of the scrappage scheme to get rid of cars on the road that are ten years old or more.

Cheers for that..

Maybe SIMI could address the following 2 options while their at it:

(C) Clocking rife among SIMI members

(D) Rampant price fixing.

Eoin

Well, in fairness they don't claim to be anything but a mouth piece for the motor industry. Their own homepage says that. What annoys me is that this is supposed to be a better thing for the consumer - look at carzone putting in a search option to include/exclude non-SIMI dealerships.

McSpud

How strong a lobby group are SIMI? Have government listened to them before?

I think that a scrappage deal could be agreed by the government as seems like they can't lose as will make a lot more in new car taxes...?

eringobragh

McSpud wrote: »

How strong a lobby group are SIMI? Have government listened to them before?

I think that a scrappage deal could be agreed by the government as seems like they can't lose as will make a lot more in new car taxes...?

It'll only work if people will buy which in the current climate is unlikely. i've 2 options for my next car:

1) Buy here and get a 3-4 year old that the rings been driven out of ,which I'll be unable to verify its mileage (due to the lack of a National Mileage [/Kilometer ] Register), thats probably neglected a few service intervals due to the extotionate service charges, and has "Irish Road Syndrome"

2) Go to the UK and find a car thats probably been minded like a baby, washed & waxed every Sunday. Full Service history and at least 30% cheaper than option 1, and the roads to go with that!?

...Doesn't take even the SIMI to work out which option i'll choose

zod

but but but *they use salt on their roads* one of these days it'll rust .. RUST I tellz ye!

eringobragh

zod wrote: »

but but but *they use salt on their roads* one of these days it'll rust .. RUST I tellz ye!

lol whatever there using over here is eating the underbody off my car :eek:

Volvoboy

All the SIMI see is €€€€ and they'll try everything in the book to get more for them and there members.

I'd like to think i've never given the bastards a penny, me being smart about what cars i buy and run.

Just last night i sold a 20 year old car with NCT & TAX to a Irish fella for €200, who was going to loose his job and he couldnt afford the payments on his 07 Mondeo, so needed a cheap car to do him while he weatherd out this economic storm, i think we'll be seeing more of this.

stepbar

My next car will be for sure a NI import. For a little under 10k I can get a 1.9 TDI Audi (03-05). You'd be dammed to find one for that price down here.

Plug

SIMI are the greatest shower of ginits.
They for years have fcuked up the Irish motor industry. Lads I say buy your cars in the north or mainland Britain and tell all your friends until such a time the Irish person isn't getting roasted anymore!!!

JimmyCrackCorn!

SIMI can kiss the back of my :mad:

Yes i drive a car over ten years old and i don't think ill ever care about buying a new car when there are plenty of very reasnble well loved second hand cars. It also helps that i dont have a car loan or more than 50 euro persnoal debt.

I actually prefer older cars and the only car I can think of that's new I like and would consider is the new RWD Hyundai Coupe.

Each to there own but as far as i can see it SIMI havent done motorisits many favours over the years.

return guide

i bought a car from an SIMI main dealer yesterday.

An import from the UK, I got a deal that suited me.

But it is ironic that that their lobby group is screaming one thing while their members are slipping across the sea to pick up the bargains we all know are there.

BeardyGit

eringobragh wrote: »

lol whatever there using over here is eating the underbody off my car :eek:

It's salt. Heard the county engineers from two seperate counties say so on Drive-time yesterday on Radio 1.

ardmacha

It's salt. Heard the county engineers from two seperate counties say so on Drive-time yesterday on Radio 1.

Of course they use salt. However it generally isn't as cold in Ireland as in most parts of Britain and many rural roads are not treated.

Economical motoring is all about keeping a car well, and for longer. That's what'll hurt SIMI members the most. The writing is on the wall....

Contrary to received opinion UK imports will shorten the average life of cars. Cars in Ireland are more expensive because of VRT. In a closed market this would encourage people to make them last longer. Traditionally they did, say a car in the UK is fully depreciated after 10 years then one in Ireland might be fully depreciated after 12. Now people are importing used cars, which prevents a natural depreciation in the Irish market as mid life cars would be more expensive here than the equivalent in the UK plus the VRT. Cue all of the rip off allegations here. It is simple economics, the normal operation of the Irish car market is being distorted. This is OK in general, as those who want value get a used car more cheaply and those who want snobbery can still get a new car, which now depreciates more quickly, increasing its snob value.

cashmni1

noblestee wrote: »

Well it cant, but for the last few years people have been buying at the price they see, as regards cars, holidays, everything. Too much money, no research done on what they are getting and what is available elsewhere. Hopefully now with money a lot tighter people will realise that Ireland is being charged extortionate prices for cars, paying premiums above other countries, all for a lower shitty 'paddy' spec.

running out of tar for your brush there are you?
I have never had "too much money" or "bought at the price I see" in regard to cars, holidays or anything that I am aware of actually.
I have done research and I hope my money will not get tighter so I can realize what I already know.
I accept your point that, yes, certain people have spent beyond their means, but that is a rather small section of society.
Yes people are impressionable but not all of them are.

Car-dealer

SIMI are running a bit of a tasty racket - around €450 or more per year to join their little club. I run a small car dealers, very small but I thought it might be wise to join the SIMI just to say Im registered, as some potential customers might see it as good; but in fact I got sense; I dont even agree with their policies and if they get approx €500 per year x a couple of thousand members, its a tidy little earner.

Listen to this; I asked the girl on the phone at the SIMI "can you tell me what the €450 actually goes towards" ...well she must have dropped her kitkat and morning coffee, because she sounded well peeed off, and replied in an angry voice "lots of things, meetings, meetings with government, producing reports, advertising"

What a load of bollox: adds telling people not to buy UK reg cars - when in fact thousands of SIMI member dealer actually source their stock in the UK; or meetings for SIMIs chief exec to go around the country and earn a whopping salary!

They are having a laugh!

McSpud

Just noticed the "recommended" price list on SIMI website.

The vehicle prices referred to in this section are recommended prices, for guide purposes only.

Every car dealer is free to charge whatever price it deems appropriate in respect of a vehicle.

Haha.

Darragh29

Car-dealer wrote: »

SIMI are running a bit of a tasty racket - around €450 or more per year to join their little club. I run a small car dealers, very small but I thought it might be wise to join the SIMI just to say Im registered, as some potential customers might see it as good; but in fact I got sense; I dont even agree with their policies and if they get approx €500 per year x a couple of thousand members, its a tidy little earner.

Listen to this; I asked the girl on the phone at the SIMI "can you tell me what the €450 actually goes towards" ...well she must have dropped her kitkat and morning coffee, because she sounded well peeed off, and replied in an angry voice "lots of things, meetings, meetings with government, producing reports, advertising"

What a load of bollox: adds telling people not to buy UK reg cars - when in fact thousands of SIMI member dealer actually source their stock in the UK; or meetings for SIMIs chief exec to go around the country and earn a whopping salary!

They are having a laugh!

What is needed is a new representative organisation for the Irish Motor Industry where your continued membership is dependent upon you being audited once a year, and reaching/exceeding a pre agreed standard, including an audit/survey of your customers.

Eoin

Darragh29 wrote: »

What is needed is a new representative organisation for the Irish Motor Industry where your continued membership is dependent upon you being audited once a year, and reaching/exceeding a pre agreed standard, including an audit/survey of your customers.

The problem I have is that I don't think a lobby group for the industry should be the same group that is responsible for auditing standards and pricing etc. It's like a trade union being the people who write the HR policies.

SIMI have their place as the voice of the industry, but I think there should be an independent body that looks after accreditation. However, that means another government body, or a dedicated branch of an existing one - and that won't end well.

Darragh29

eoin wrote: »

The problem I have is that I don't think a lobby group for the industry should be the same group that is responsible for auditing standards and pricing etc. It's like a trade union being the people who write the HR policies.

SIMI have their place as the voice of the industry, but I think there should be an independent body that looks after accreditation. However, that means another government body, or a dedicated branch of an existing one - and that won't end well.

The problem with the SIMI is that they are only a voice for one particular section of the industry. They should be acting as advocates for the customer and there should be no problem whatsoever with kicking out rogue members.

As an organisation, the SIMI has no future, it is full to the rafters of old school clowns so will not know how to operate in the future. Change will happen, with or without their consent...

YourCourier.ie

Darragh29 wrote: »

in all reality, how many cars ten years or older are on the roads now??? I imagine the folks who are driving these cars are driving them because they cannot afford a new car.

Now THAT'S sh*te

Rowley Birkin QC

I drive an 11 year old car, partly because I can't afford anything else at the moment but also because I don't see the point in getting into debt for the sake of a numberplate.

When I decide to change I won't be buying anything newer than 5 years and it will probably have started life with yellow plates.

Seth Brundle

Darragh29 wrote: »

in all reality, how many cars ten years or older are on the roads now??? I imagine the folks who are driving these cars are driving them because they cannot afford a new car.

I drive a 97 523i. It was deemed an economic write off last year yet because I like the car and its quite well specced, I chose to have it repaired and put back onto the road. I could have boutght another car, possibly a new car but I didn't want to!

Darragh29

kbannon wrote: »

I drive a 97 523i. It was deemed an economic write off last year yet because I like the car and its quite well specced, I chose to have it repaired and put back onto the road. I could have boutght another car, possibly a new car but I didn't want to!

Agreed, but your keeping the car on the road becasue you want to. Do you ever think you would trade it in for a 2009 Megane if a new scrappage deal was available??? The older cars I see on the roads are mainly Starlets, Micra's, Civics and Colts, that are not causing problems for the drivers so why change them, scrappage deal or no scrappage deal???

Daithi McGee

SIMI are a complete waste of space. They offer nothing to the industry or the consumer.

Pretty much like the Government.

Seth Brundle

Darragh29 wrote: »

Agreed, but your keeping the car on the road becasue you want to. Do you ever think you would trade it in for a 2009 Megane if a new scrappage deal was available??? The older cars I see on the roads are mainly Starlets, Micra's, Civics and Colts, that are not causing problems for the drivers so why change them, scrappage deal or no scrappage deal???

Absolutely not. I keep it because I want to! I don't care about any scrappage deal and I certainly don't want a Megane 2009 or whatever!
I plan on getting an E30 325i or possibly an M3 soon also. Again its because I want one and for no other reason.

Car-dealer

Just noticed the "recommended" price list on SIMI website.

Am I living on Mars - just checked out guide price for a 2005 Volvo V50 S D Estate - Im selling for €11000 --- SIMI's recommendation €32000; granted my car has 80k+ miles and an average car of this age would have around 40k+ - but where does the extra 21,000 come from?

They are mad!

miju

3 words to describe that "head in sand"

-Chris-

Car-dealer wrote: »

Just noticed the "recommended" price list on SIMI website.

Am I living on Mars - just checked out guide price for a 2005 Volvo V50 S D Estate - Im selling for €11000 --- SIMI's recommendation €32000; granted my car has 80k+ miles and an average car of this age would have around 40k+ - but where does the extra 21,000 come from?

They are mad!

AFAIK, that's an archive of new car prices.

Car-dealer

OK - knew there had to be something wrong as it was way out --- still SIMI remain a bunch of knobs that are working to ensure that car prices in Ireland are overinflated!

glenamaddy

Car-dealer wrote: »

OK - knew there had to be something wrong as it was way out --- still SIMI remain a bunch of knobs that are working to ensure that car prices in Ireland are overinflated!

Car Dealer
You should check your facts before you go off on a rant!!! The SIMI has nothing to do with the second hand value of cars, the market sets the price its self just like in the housing market. used car prices are falling right now in the republic because of a number of reasons mostly imports from UK and the state of our economy!!! The only reason the cars are so cheap in the UK now is because the sterling has lost 25% of its value in the last 6 months or so. I work in the motor trade here and I have never known how used car prices could be fixed/inflated!!! But if you know all about it explain how its done, I am all ears!!!
If you want to blame any one for the price of cars what about your government they take nearly 50% tax on all new cars, the UK government take 15%!!!! There is no VAT on used cars in UK while there is 21% VAT on used cars in Ireland, do you see why you pay so much for your cars here in Ireland???
Just about the posts at the start of this thread the SIMI proposing to the government to take english reged cars off the road here in Ireland, if the article was read correctly they want the government to make sure all taxes (VRT) are paid on imported cars just like the car dealers have too when they sell a car here in Ireland. Is it fair that you and I pay all our taxes and a guy down the road doesnt?? Think about how many people you know driving english registered cars that live in the south? It has to be a level playing field!!!:):)

FGR

Darragh29 wrote: »

On the subject of (B) above, in all reality, how many cars ten years or older are on the roads now??? I imagine the folks who are driving these cars are driving them because they cannot afford a new car. This is no poor relection on anyone, but the folks I see driving older cars now seem to be mainly foreign nationals, who are probably the group most likely to be leaving the country at this time, so why would they buy a new car under a scrappage scheme???

Oi. I'm Irish, driving a 99 Lancer having downgraded from a 07 Golf. I changed the timing belt in her, got it NCT'd and am going to keep her until she dies. Got to keep costs down during these recessive times!

eringobragh

Darragh29 wrote: »

On the subject of (B) above, in all reality, how many cars ten years or older are on the roads now??? I imagine the folks who are driving these cars are driving them because they cannot afford a new car. This is no poor relection on anyone, but the folks I see driving older cars now seem to be mainly foreign nationals, who are probably the group most likely to be leaving the country at this time, so why would they buy a new car under a scrappage scheme??? Also, they seem a put a greater importance on the value of money than the Irish and might be happy enough with a ten year old car that is just for around town, and on this basis wouldn't be in the market for a new car.

Well I could buy a 60k car tomorrow and not be a penny in debt (not bad for a 25 year old, and i ain't from any wealthy background... SSIA FTW), but my 14 year old primera ticks all the boxes currently, however I'll never buy a brand new car as thats just nonesense, scrapage scheme or not..I feel it would be a crying shame to throw all the money I worked so hard for into a car. So next car could more than likely be another same gen Nissan/Toyota while I avail of some cut price property.

barochoc

It's as simple as that for me. I recently sold a '92 BMW 520i to a guy. He couldn't believe how well it drove. It not only sounded better than anything he could have bought new... It looked better. Classic styling!

I drive an E32 '87 BMW 735i now! Originaly bought it for weekends etc but just couldn't even dream of using the 520, so it had to go.

I have full leather, it's automatic, on-board computer telling me average fuel consumption, miles left in tank & a cr@p load of other stuff. It has aircon that blows ice cold, heated seats, sunroof, is all electric, it even has the automatic dimming rear view mirror. It just passed 200,000 miles last month & is still pulling like a train.

It leaves most boyracer muppets for dust thanks to a little help from an ECU remap which also helps the fuel economy. I drove all the way down to Alicante in Spain & back last summer & it just chewed up the roads.

If something goes wrong I'm confident I or my friends & I can fix it easily. I service it myself for less that €100. All this can be bought for less than €1000 but you could stretch to €2000 for a minter with full service history etc...

Now somebody please give me one good reason to part with €100,000+ for an '08 or '09 model. Seriously!!

I could probably buy an E32 7 series for the money the BMW dealer will want everytime I brought the '08 '09 7 Series in for a service! Tell me I'm wrong!

It just makes no sense for me to buy new unless the company is paying for it!

SIMI are a bunch of wasters who charge dealers €100's every year for a sticker & the right to use the SIMI logo / membership so that the dealer can charge anything up to 3-4 times more for simple work carried out on cars.

Don't anyone dare come on here & tell me they are a dealer & that this is cr@p. You're all the same. I have experienced this 1st hand & the work carried out was appauling. So bad was the work carried out that the dealer (A SIMI Registered Citroen Dealer) missed very important faults while carrying out an inspection after a service that it ended up costing me €1000's more on top of the ridiculous bill they charged me.

I took my Van to a local independant dealer & he carried out the work for a fraction of the cost. I now know why. He wasn't SIMI registered. He was the one who spotted all the faults that the SIMI dealer never did. I took it back to them asking for an explanation for the exhorbant bill & the lack of professionalism & I got a blank look.

I told them I'm complaining to SIMI as I was disgusted at the service & I thought they were Cowboys. Guess what? More idiots at the end of the phone in SIMI & a lame reply to a letter saying they were investigating my issue then I sent another months later & got a reply saying they were still investigating the matter.

Enough ranting. Sorry. But the mention of SIMI in here hit a nerve. Muppets is all they are & I hope they crash & burn because they are usless. Just like a watch is to a blind man.

RiverWilde

Given that the Euro and Pound are fairly close these days I thought what the hell and had a look at the ford.ie site and the ford.uk site. I had a look at the Galaxy and compared prices. Here in rainy auld Ireland, with less options to choose from I could have gotten myself a ghia spec, car for 51K give or take a few euros. The same car in the UK varied in price from about 23k to 28k depending on what bells and whistles you wanted. Both cars had ghia styling. So long as vrt props up this tiny little market and flies in the face of EU free market principles I'll never buy any sort of new car in Ireland. My current car is 14 years old and it does everything it's supposed to do. I won't be changing it anytime soon.

Riv

Car-dealer

Glanamaddy


I totally stand by my comment that the SIMI are: remain a bunch of knobs that are working to ensure that car prices in Ireland are overinflated!

1. adds on the radio saying do not buy UK cars when in fact so many dealers in Ireland that are SIMI registered buy direct from the UK -- so a total double standard.

2. I think the SIMI supported VRT and its protectionism

3. SIMI guide prices are overinflated

4. SIMI do in fact advise the Revenue on car prices that the revenue use to set false over inflated OMSPs; where they hell would the Revenue can any data from other than car dealers of the SIMI

5. SIMI work to prevent an open market - why - they would be f-ked by real open competition!

Sorry rants can be supported with facts - perhaps you should check yours!

If you are looking at getting a new car in the UK bear in mind this exchange rate situation isn't going to last forever.

Even if the exchange rates stays where it is now, their weak sterling will feed into an additional cost to them of importing cars. So in a few months time buying a new car in the UK will not be much cheaper (if at all) when VRT is added.

thegen

SIMI's own dealers are quoting prices they land swimmers from the UK to lower the value of a trade in. SIMI should concentrate on policing its own members. They are the ones destroying their industry.

The Gen!!!!!