Saleproof cars

ninty9er

Just looking through Carzone (I've become accustomed to the new format and its functionality has grown on me) but there seem to be some specific saleproofs.

Manual Camrys. For a country in love with manuals....explaining why they were bought that way new, they seem to be saleproof compared to the auto counterpart on the secondhand market.

What is so different in the taste of the new and used owner??

peasant

It's not the gearbox, it's the 2.2 liter engine that's killing them

ninty9er

peasant wrote: »

It's not the gearbox, it's the 2.2 liter engine that's killing them

2.4....but people still pay more for inferior Mercs with bigger engines.

Mycroft H

ninty9er wrote: »

Just looking through Carzone (I've become accustomed to the new format and its functionality has grown on me) but there seem to be some specific saleproofs.

Manual Camrys. For a country in love with manuals....explaining why they were bought that way new, they seem to be saleproof compared to the auto counterpart on the secondhand market.

What is so different in the taste of the new and used owner??

The autos were popular with taxi drivers werent they?

Owen

Range Rovers, and Freelanders. Both dead in the water currently where once they thrived.

mumhaabu

ned78 wrote: »

Range Rovers, and Freelanders. Both dead in the water currently where once they thrived.

The same people with money to buy these won't now as they'd buy new instead and the lower classes haven't the ability to snap up the second hand ones now like they could before with the help of loans and big wages from false economy building sites.

I can see all the upper class marques taking a fierce hit in 2nd hand values and the ladder climbing plebs are going down the rung and not up.

Tony Broke

Do Auto's still have such a bad rep?

I know you have the potential to cause a lot more damage with a manual transmission, than you do an auto if some isnt a great driver, but generally speaking a good driver will not need to replace many clutches, if any.Then you add in the risk of replacing an auto box ( still very expensive isnt it? ), plus fuel economy and if the car does break down, isnt getting it towed a pain?

Besides the comfort of not having to shift and the risk that manuals will naturally rev a lot more thus strain on the engine, what advantages does a auto have over a manual?

They seem to be alot more expensive to maintain and they are not that cheap to buy either.Alot of them have higher prices than equivalent manuals because they are rare ( Auto passats, A4's etc. )

To answer your question ninty9er, i'd say people just think Auto's are riddled with problems when they older.New one's should be fine and the pleasure of cruising around would be brillant, but when they go older the ££ signs go up.

What would an auto box for a camry cost to fix?

Max_Damage

landyman wrote: »

The autos were popular with taxi drivers werent they?

The JDM versions are, not so much the Irish-versions.

Max_Damage

Tony Broke wrote: »

Do Auto's still have such a bad rep?

Auto's are for lazy Americans IMO!

ninty9er

Max_Damage wrote: »

The JDM versions are, not so much the Irish-versions.

There are no less than 5 Auto Irish petrol 2.4 Camrys on Limerick's taxi ranks, but why no manuals if they are way cheaper due to lack of demand, normally it's autos that are cheaper on the second-hand market.

Anyway, the Camry was just my example.

What cars do other people think are saleproof...and could be had cheap for a wily buyer in the current market?

Owen

The Renault VelSatis is another saleproof wonder. I remember valuing a year old one a few years ago, and it had dropped over 50% in the first year.

Tony Broke

ninty9er wrote: »

What cars do other people think are saleproof...and could be had cheap for a wily buyer in the current market?

Carisma's are one of the most reliable yokes on the road an people will pay you to take them away.Boring car to drive i'd say, but still..

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1281423

bazz26

Nissan Tiida, they cannot give them away except to car hire companies who hand them back after 6 months or so.

Volvoboy

Think that the higher CC car is sale proof at this stage, Road tax being the way it is.

Another car comes to mind is this; http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1276198

@ €1k a time to tax, i'd say the seller is one step away from throwing a nite of passion with her in doors to sweeten the deal.

I know i pay feck all road tax a year but i feel for the owners of larger CC cars (my da for one) that they pay all this money for tax and have to endure such poor roads.

Eric Cartman

Volvoboy wrote: »

Think that the higher CC car is sale proof at this stage, Road tax being the way it is.

Another car comes to mind is this; http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1276198

@ €1k a time to tax, i'd say the seller is one step away from throwing a nite of passion with her in doors to sweeten the deal.

I know i pay feck all road tax a year but i feel for the owners of larger CC cars (my da for one) that they pay all this money for tax and have to endure such poor roads.

if i could get insured in it i would have bought a gs300 in seconds, always wanted one, but any taximen i know with them are cringing at the fuel economy right now,

my personal bet on saleproof is iszuzu troopers (the 3.0td ones, the ones where the engines blew up) , there dime a dozen on carzone

Mycroft H

My dad was given an 97 escort and it wasnt in bad nik but we had fierce trouble selling it - ya practically couldnt give them away

RobAMerc

ninty9er wrote: »

2.4....but people still pay more for inferior Mercs with bigger engines.

Mercs inferior to a Toyota Camry? I have heard it all now !

Volvoboy

RobAMerc wrote: »

Mercs inferior to a Toyota Camry? I have heard it all now !

Wouldnt take too much notice, the thread is a bit of a contradiction as it is.

ninty9er

RobAMerc wrote: »

Mercs inferior to a Toyota Camry? I have heard it all now !

I actually got that line from a merc salesman!

Volvoboy

ninty9er wrote: »

I actually got that line from a merc salesman!

No cars is 100% reliable, but for a merc salesman to say that is a brave thing to say.

ronnie3585

Land Rover Discoveries, lots and lots of them,

http://www.carzone.ie/search/results?cacheBuster=1231107688843538#nParam=4294910786&sortby=Make|0&maxrows=100

shabbyalonso

The higher the tax, the higher to shift the car it seems! I'm paying EUR1500 on car tax (drive a BMW 840) and it's so painful when bill time comes but hey, what can ya do!!! The worst thing however, as mentioned earlier, is that the roads are so bad, ya wonder if the tax is being used on roads at all!

Dartz

I was given an Renault Laguna, because the owner couldn't sell it....

Guy:Incognito

shabbyalonso wrote: »

ya wonder if the tax is being used on roads at all!

No, and nowhere does it say it is.

motor tax isnt a tax to build roads with.

shabbyalonso

Stekelly wrote: »

No, and nowhere does it say it is.

motor tax isnt a tax to build roads with.

Okay, not really surprising mind. However, is the official name not "road tax"?

McSpud

Stekelly wrote: »

motor tax isnt a tax to build roads with.

I may be wrong but I seem to remember back in late 80s or early 90s that instead of adding water rates the government told the local authorities to take the road taxes.

Road tax has nothing to do with road maintenance.

Anan1

shabbyalonso wrote: »

Okay, not really surprising mind. However, is the official name not "road tax"?

Yeah, but it's tax to be on the road as opposed to tax to pay for the road.

Guy:Incognito

shabbyalonso wrote: »

Okay, not really surprising mind. However, is the official name not "road tax"?

Nope

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/welcome.do

Climate Expert

Stekelly wrote: »

No, and nowhere does it say it is.

motor tax isnt a tax to build roads with.

The tax is used to build roads. Some of it at least.

Guy:Incognito

Climate Expert wrote: »

The tax is used to build roads. Some of it at least.

Yeah ,in the same way income tax is. It all goes into a pot and the budgets are given out from there.

What I meant is it's not ringfenced.

VolvoMan

I find anything big-engined in this country is hard to sell, be it petrol or diesel.

coolbeans

Who would buy this for any money right now? Not a bad car but it'd be easier to sell sand to the Arabs. If the link doesn't work it's a 2006 Peugeot 607 3.0 V6 petrol retailing for.......30,000! Wrong badge, wrong engine, wrong price, high fuel consumption and big tax. Sale proof.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Peugeot/607/2.9-V6/200824189075804/advert

Guy:Incognito

coolbeans wrote: »

Wrong badge,

Only to a badge snob.

coolbeans

Stekelly wrote: »

Only to a badge snob.

I'm no snob but this is the wrong badge at this end of the market. Reality is the issue here.

eringobragh

VolvoMan wrote: »

I find anything big-engined in this country is hard to sell, be it petrol or diesel.

Indeed. The UK have more realistic tax rates:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524

and their fuel seems to be par with ours now :

UK - Today's national averages
Petrol
87.2 p/litre
Diesel
99.8 p/litre

My 'Big Engined' 1.6 is 480 a year it's a joke!

As for unsellable cars:

Maybe this: http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1069915

Volvoboy

eringobragh wrote: »

Indeed. The UK have more realistic tax rates:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524

That is the most depressing thing i've read on boards in a long while.:(

Marcus.Aurelius

coolbeans wrote: »

I'm no snob but this is the wrong badge at this end of the market. Reality is the issue here.

The reality is that the "right" badge is a stupid reason to buy a car if you want reliability and value for money. If it's simply a mad passion for cars then fire away. :pac:

Marcus.Aurelius

Volvoboy wrote: »

That is the most depressing thing i've read on boards in a long while.:(

Seconded


:mad: Utter greed

eringobragh

Volvoboy wrote: »

That is the most depressing thing i've read on boards in a long while.:(

House wrote: »

Seconded


:mad: Utter greed

I know guys :eek: and the pre-2001 (£185 for all cars over 1.6) absolutely sickened me! They pay £400 for the worst polluting car in the CO2 band ..........This country gets worse.

shabbyalonso

This IS most upsetting :mad:

Volvoboy

eringobragh wrote: »

I know guys :eek: and the pre-2001 (£185 for all cars over 1.6) absolutely sickened me! They pay £400 for the worst polluting car in the CO2 band ..........This country gets worse.

We've the good people in Finna Fail to thank :mad:

Marcus.Aurelius

I can't believe that the UK govt are stupid enough to tax cars on C02 emissions regardless of miles driven, just like our gormless greens.

If my dad drives 1,000 miles a year in a 4.0 V8 petrol, he pays 10 times the tax of a guy driving 20,000 miles a year in a low emitting diesel. Why are the polluters still getting away scot free?

If FF/Greens really cared about the environment, it would all be on petrol/diesel. :mad:

Voodoomelon

If i lived in England, my tax would be about €190. I'm paying €1200!

shabbyalonso

House wrote: »

I can't believe that the UK govt are stupid enough to tax cars on C02 emissions regardless of miles driven, just like our gormless greens.

If my dad drives 1,000 miles a year in a 4.0 V8 petrol, he pays 10 times the tax of a guy driving 20,000 miles a year in a low emitting diesel. Why are the polluters still getting away scot free?

If FF/Greens really cared about the environment, it would all be on petrol/diesel. :mad:

Excellent point and makes perfect sense. However, given it makes perfect sense, that's why it doesn't work in this country - however, I don't mean to raise issues of government etc (I'm sure there's a thread somewhere else for that!!!). Still, great point.

coolbeans

House wrote: »

The reality is that the "right" badge is a stupid reason to buy a car if you want reliability and value for money. If it's simply a mad passion for cars then fire away. :pac:

Hmmm...I think you're missing my point.

unkel

House wrote: »

If FF/Greens really cared about the environment, it would all be on petrol/diesel. :mad:

Indeed. The polluter should pay. It is really very simple and very effective. Maybe the Greens do care, but they either don't really understand, they do not have the balls to stand up for their principles or maybe they just like their ministerial power and salaries a little bit too much...

Damn, this should be a poll about which of the above three categories fits the Greens best

jimboddb

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Land Rover Discoveries, lots and lots of them,

http://www.carzone.ie/search/results?cacheBuster=1231107688843538#nParam=4294910786&sortby=Make|0&maxrows=100

Anyone know why this is, i like the look of them but never drove one.

Cuddlesworth

Abolish motor tax, raise the tax's on petrol to make up the difference. The more you drive the more you pay in tax.

Of course, then what will happen is you would have to make exceptions for everybody who drives for a living or works in a business because the higher operating costs would have to be payed for by the consumer. Then you would have to enforce it and everybody would know that guy who gets cheap petrol making you feel like your getting screwed.

Lets face facts here, the current system although not great is in reality a single once off payment a year that can at least be accounted for and everybody has dealt with it for so long it would only lead to large problems if you try to change it.

Any car that is 20+k with a large engine and low fuel economy is becoming unsellable if its not a absolute steal. And even then.......

jonnygee

Im sorry , but I dont agree with the idea of putting the tax on petrol so that the more you drive ,the more you pay.
Many of the people I know are struggling to survive in the present economic situation and the experience of keeping a car (any car)on the road at the moment is nearly impossible.
Most of them need their car just to get to work and back.
Tyres are being run down to way past the legal limit . services are being skipped and the 3 monthly road tax demand is a bill that they dont need.
If you can afford to drive a Merc. bmw, lexus or audi regardless of age then you can afford to pay a premium for motor tax, even if you dont realise it.

ninty9er

coolbeans wrote: »

Who would buy this for any money right now? Not a bad car but it'd be easier to sell sand to the Arabs. If the link doesn't work it's a 2006 Peugeot 607 3.0 V6 petrol retailing for.......30,000! Wrong badge, wrong engine, wrong price, high fuel consumption and big tax. Sale proof.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Peugeot/607/2.9-V6/200824189075804/advert

Yikes:eek::eek:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Citroen/C6/2.7-HDI-/200801191354147/advert

I'll see your 607 and raise you a 2006 2.7 C6 @ €40k

eringobragh

ninty9er wrote: »

Yikes:eek::eek:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Citroen/C6/2.7-HDI-/200801191354147/advert

I'll see your 607 and raise you a 2006 2.7 C6 @ €40k

Winnah!

There's a hell of alot better metal out there for 40K. Same car will be 20K at the end of the 2009 if he finds anyone stupid and blind enough!