as the best thing I have read on this forum.

Matt Holck

gosh

well

thought this was a team effort

holden c

matt,
i'm confused, could you enlighten me as to the context?
cheers.

Matt Holck

"as the best thing I have read on this forum"
is a backhanded compliment.

While it flatters the recipant,
it makes other contributers feel useless.

busted flush

interesting.

The Mad Hatter

Matt, what are you referring to?

holden c

Perhaps then, the phrase; one of the best pieces I have read on this forum, may be more appropriate. Self-esteem should remain unharmed in such a situation. However, if one was to write a piece and not receive that comment.... hmmm it's a toughie. Maybe we should refrain from expressing our opinions altogether. Then no-one gets upset, pretty boring though, donchathink?

Matt Holck

it's important
a writer knows which of his/her works are appealing
so remarks of good, bad and ugly can be useful.

"as the best thing I have read on this forum. "
is a blanket statement about other poems
without even suggesting "why" others contributions are inferior.

Naming a champion prods others to imitate the praised one.

while copying the style of a champion might increase productivity of that "quality",
it stifles the creative contribution.
Others might choose not to put forward
if they are aping another’s work.

holden c

A valid point yes, however, surely all matter submitted on a creative writing forum is done so with a desire for comment. That comment may be positive or negative, as you pointed out, however it must be contextualised also, as must every criticism. Are we judging matter here in the context of pulitzer material, or kindergarden? It is natural to compare and contrast, and anyway I think you are taking the comment (i presume it is in reference to a day of darkness) far too seriously.
End of.

Matt Holck

if they are not banging down the doors to get in here,
if this place is not bursting at the seams with contribution,
we can use all the input offered.


"as the best thing I have read on this forum."
makes a negative comment on others contributions
without even leaving an acknowledgement
of the works the others presented.

busted flush

devils advocate springs to mind here.

busted flush

the following gets my vote



You fell asleep while baking fairy cakes.

[/FONT] You fell asleep while baking fairy cakes,
There is flour in your hair,
Blame it on the second Gin,
And those white wines to begin,
When you had lunch with Claire.
Remember how the Barman grinned,
“The ladies who Lurch are in”.

Maben’s mother woke you up,
Lifted your head out of the mixing bowl,
And put you to bed.
When you came to,
At half past eight,
You said you wished that you were dead,
And meant it too.

Matt Holck

the poem needs a link to the original
and a credit to the author

~@V

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ElCrapula

Matt Holck wrote: »

"as the best thing I have read on this forum"
is a backhanded compliment.

While it flatters the recipant,
it makes other contributers feel useless.

I assume you are alluding to my post.Well,not my post,the last line of it.
I think it would be fair to show my FULL post and let others see,in context,what my comment was.It was a postive comment about what I had read,something I had admired,and was in NO WAY a reference to others.In response to 'Day Of Darkness,Pt,2'.Here is my original comment.


This is really good stuff.I thought alot of part one and you have kept it up.
Honestly,You should send this away for consideration to be published.
Like part one,I admire the flow.Not one word is lost or wasted and your choice of vocab seems inspired.
The imagery is clear and touching.
I think you have ENORMOUS potential as a writer.Once again,this is right up there, with part one,as the best thing I have read on this forum.
Very well done.


Now allow me to defend myself.The fact you have taken one line from my post and started a thread,with the aim of trying to garner some support for your half baked cloak and dagger attack is pathetic.You and you merry band of egg-shell ego's had a problem with me because I wrote a negetive,but honest,comment on another piece of work.I was hopped on for leaving my honest opinion.
Now I have left something positive,you continue with your crusade,akwardly groping to build some shabby case against that too.I have to assume now that I cant win,no matter what I say and that you are engaging in some subtle form of bullying to make me or my comments unwelcome here.
Ive got news for you buddy.This is a PUBLIC forum and I have as much right to leave my comments as you or your little clique.
People leave their work to be critiqued,good or bad.It seems if you dont like what you hear from me,negative or postive,you revert to sly,disingenuous tactics to get people on your side.Get yourself a pair of cojones and tackle me yourself.

busted flush

2008, 17:42 #1
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Adverts | Friends You fell asleep while baking fairy cakes, new work, please critique

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[FONT=&quot]This is a very rough draft of something I knocked up in my head last night in bed. all comments particularly critical ones are welcome

You fell asleep while baking fairy cakes.

[/FONT] You fell asleep while baking fairy cakes,
There is flour in your hair,
Blame it on the second Gin,
And those white wines to begin,
When you had lunch with Claire.
Remember how the Barman grinned,
“The ladies who Lurch are in”.

Maben’s mother woke you up,
Lifted your head out of the mixing bowl,
And put you to bed.
When you came to,
At half past eight,
You said you wished that you were dead,
And meant it too.


+1

busted flush

ElCrapula wrote: »

Now allow me to defend myself.The fact you have taken one line from my post and started a thread,with the aim of trying to garner some support for your half baked cloak and dagger attack is pathetic.You and you merry band of egg-shell ego's had a problem with me because I wrote a negetive,but honest,comment on another piece of work.I was hopped on for leaving my honest opinion.
Now I have left something positive,you continue with your crusade,akwardly groping to build some shabby case against that too.I have to assume now that I cant win,no matter what I say and that you are engaging in some subtle form of bullying to make me or my comments unwelcome here.
Ive got news for you buddy.This is a PUBLIC forum and I have as much right to leave my comments as you or your little clique.
People leave their work to be critiqued,good or bad.It seems if you dont like what you hear from me,negative or postive,you revert to sly,disingenuous tactics to get people on your side.Get yourself a pair of cojones and tackle me yourself.

advantage miss elcrapula
holck serving to stay in the match

magicass

2008, 18:07 #1 busted flush
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helpless
It started almost two hours earlier, and he tried so hard to fight it.
In vain as it turned out ,he finds it harder and harder to hide it.
Scratching and itching, turning and twitching its not going to triumph again. reading and breathing, "i am not conceding", alas he knows that he cant win.!

So he ambles along to his certain death, and its sad because he knows this.
The lies he has told, so incredibly bold,that he to now believes them.
His nails are all bitten,some teeth he is missing, he hasn't the strength to take a piss.Though he tries to refrain he goes there again, and again and again and again.

This one gets my vote.

rockbeer

Matt Holck wrote: »

"as the best thing I have read on this forum"
is a backhanded compliment.

While it flatters the recipant,
it makes other contributers feel useless.

To be honest, Matt, if you feel useless because one random internet stranger likes someone else's work better than yours then you probably need help.

busted flush

rockbeer wrote: »

To be honest, Matt, if you feel useless because one random internet stranger likes someone else's work better than yours then you probably need help.

agreed

Matt Holck

ElCrapula wrote: »

I assume you are alluding to my post.Well,not my post,the last line of it.
I think it would be fair to show my FULL post and let others see,in context,what my comment was.It was a postive comment about what I had read,something I had admired,and was in NO WAY a reference to others.In response to 'Day Of Darkness,Pt,2'.Here is my original comment.

This is really good stuff.I thought alot of part one and you have kept it up.
Honestly,You should send this away for consideration to be published.
Like part one,I admire the flow.Not one word is lost or wasted and your choice of vocab seems inspired.
The imagery is clear and touching.
I think you have ENORMOUS potential as a writer.Once again,this is right up there, with part one,as the best thing I have read on this forum.
Very well done.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055452617

Now, allow me to defend myself.The fact you have taken one line from my post and started a thread,with the aim of trying to garner some support for your half baked cloak and dagger attack is pathetic.You and you merry band of egg-shell ego's had a problem with me because I wrote a negetive,but honest,comment on another piece of work.I was hopped on for leaving my honest opinion.
Now I have left something positive,you continue with your crusade,akwardly groping to build some shabby case against that too.I have to assume now that I cant win,no matter what I say and that you are engaging in some subtle form of bullying to make me or my comments unwelcome here.
Ive got news for you buddy.This is a PUBLIC forum and I have as much right to leave my comments as you or your little clique.
People leave their work to be critiqued,good or bad.It seems if you dont like what you hear from me,negative or postive,you revert to sly,disingenuous tactics to get people on your side.Get yourself a pair of cojones and tackle me yourself.

Yes ElCrapula,
I was prompted to start this thread from the last line on that post.
But I have seen the "compliment" "the best on this forum" many time before
and always cringe when I come across it based on the arguments I have presented.

I started a separate thread on the issue
because I wanted to address the value of the statement
without having to challenge your contributions.

Yes
this idea is halfbaked
in that I'm unsure about my arguments
that declaring a best may not be healthy to support a community here.
This is a question being debated on another forum
http://allpoetry.com/board/topic/268593383

you are a very entertaining writer
and I hope you continue to contribute to it.

Matt Holck

rockbeer wrote: »

To be honest, Matt, if you feel useless because one random internet stranger likes someone else's work better than yours then you probably need help.

unfortunately,
since I feel useless I'm not likely to stay to get help

I'm tempted to pass this whole priest issue into another's hand

holden c

yeah, i think elcrapula has defended his statement and absolutely proved its merit. therefore, matt, in my opinion you are wrong in what you pertained to, but absolutely right in expressing your opinion.
to be honest, not wishing to rub the salt or anything, but i would agree with elcrapula's original statement, it possibly is the best piece of prose of late, short though as it is.
so bustedflush, is that it? are you holding or folding?

Matt Holck

once again
I do not acknowledge that this topic was an attack on elcrapula's post

only the last line
as he/she clearly stated

Esel

Prose written as poetry,
Like Matt Holck does
Regularly in this thread
Gets my goat up.

Insect Overlord

And that, children, is how one uses irony to make his point seem more relevant than it really is :rolleyes:

Antilles

Matt Holck wrote: »

"as the best thing I have read on this forum"

Relax Matt, I just take stuff like the above to mean the poster hasn't had a chance to read anything written by Antilles yet ;D

busted flush

holden c wrote: »

so bustedflush, is that it? are you holding or folding?

Firstly i have my doubts as to who you really are holden!
secondly, im folden.

sonx

I'm just laughing at that!

Insect Overlord

Laughing at what?

holden c

Busted,
I have queries with regards to your sanity!!!
All good though.

ps unrelated to original thread but that seems to be settled.......i think.

busted flush

holden c wrote: »

ps unrelated to original thread but that seems to be settled.......i think.

Its back twice as big and much more harder to control.

dublinario

esel wrote: »

Prose written as poetry,
Like Matt Holck does
Regularly in this thread
Gets my goat up.

Amen to that. It's as annoying a posting trait as I've ever seen. I hate reading his posts for that reason alone.

PurpleBee

Tell your goat that poetry is fun and not something to be angry about.

dublinario

Nobody's talking about his poetry PurpleBee, so get your facts straight. Esel and myself were commenting on Matt's habit of formatting his normal postings in poetry format.

This is the
Kind of thing
We were talking
About, which
is annoying.

Insect Overlord

Still off-topic though...