That's its. They've invaded

giggsy664 · 03-01-2009 9:02pm #1

Israeli forces enter Gaza. No fixed timetable. Doesn't look like a short operation.

Turn to Sky news

galwayrush · 03-01-2009 9:04pm

FFS, Not another Middle East Thread.:(

SauceMonster · 03-01-2009 9:05pm

Forget Sky News...turn to Al Jazeera if you want to hear it like it is.

Holsten · 03-01-2009 9:05pm

Crazy.

I hope it backfires completely on the Israelis.

03-01-2009 9:05pm

Relax.They only need Lebensraum.

m83 · 03-01-2009 9:06pm

Hasn't gazza got enough on his plate with his mental health worries without Israel fighting over him?

javaboy · 03-01-2009 9:07pm

I'd like to see Gazza strip.

Hagar · 03-01-2009 9:08pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Relax.They only need Lebensraum.

That is so accurate it hurts... Lots of people...

Biggins · 03-01-2009 9:13pm

How many threads does this one 30 mile piece of land need? Someone please merge them all.

03-01-2009 9:15pm

Hagar wrote: »

That is so accurate it hurts... Lots of people...

confused.

connundrum · 03-01-2009 9:21pm

SauceMonster wrote: »

Forget Sky News...turn to Al Jazeera if you want to hear it like it is.

Wtf? I turned to Al Jazeera Eng and it might as well be a satellite channel of Sky News. Wait, is it?

Unlucky to the strippers.

Hagar · 03-01-2009 9:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

confused.

The need for "Lebensraum" ie "room to live" was the reason Hitler gave for invading Poland. Ironically the Jews/Isrealis now make similar claims. Will they be more kind to the Palestinians than Hitler was to the Poles? Watch this space...

Steve.Pseudonym · 03-01-2009 9:23pm

Domo230 wrote: »

And so like virtually every counter insurgency operation since 1945 they will get their ass handed to them.

Well I don't know about getting their ass handed to them, although I do expect hamas to at some point claim "victory", no matter what losses they incur or how much damage is done to their infrastructure, it's an odd definition of victory that some people have. I'd also wager that Israel have learned some lessons from the 2006 war with Lebanon, seeing as (I believe) that was the first full scale conflict they were involved in for quite a while.

brianthebard · 03-01-2009 9:25pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Relax.They only need Lebensraum.

ZING!

Steve.Pseudonym · 03-01-2009 9:26pm

Hagar wrote: »

The need for "Lebensraum" ie "room to live" was the reason Hitler gave for invading Poland. Ironically the Jews/Isrealis now make similar claims. Will they be more kind to the Palestinians than Hitler was to the Poles? Watch this space...

In fairness, that's no one's explanation for the current conflict in Gaza, I doubt they're planning to reoccupy the strip having only pulled out in 2005.

03-01-2009 9:26pm

Hagar wrote: »

The need for "Lebensraum" ie "room to live" was the reason Hitler gave for invading Poland. Ironically the Jews/Isrealis now make similar claims. Will they be more kind to the Palestinians than Hitler was to the Poles? Watch this space...

Yeah.I get the feeling that Israel want to exterminate the palestinians.

Bob the Builder · 03-01-2009 9:26pm

RTÉ News - all the latest news - copied from BBC and Sky and Al Jazeera and then repeated repeatedly.

sink · 03-01-2009 9:27pm

Domo230 wrote: »

And so like virtually every counter insurgency operation since 1945 they will get their ass handed to them.

Only 1 time in the last 61 years has Israel not won outright, know your history.

History of the Arab-Israeli conflict

john concannon · 03-01-2009 9:27pm

Am I a horrible person if I'm numb to a Middle-Eastern country being invaded for the 47th time.

Hammiepeters · 03-01-2009 9:31pm

No you are not numb. Just sick and tired of the predictability of a conflict where one side refuses to negotiate without a rocket in his back pocket.

03-01-2009 9:32pm

yawn

Hagar · 03-01-2009 9:33pm

Hammiepeters wrote: »

No you are not numb. Just sick and tired of the predictability of a conflict where one side refuses to negotiate without a rocket in his back pocket.

Would that be a nuclear rocket?

03-01-2009 9:36pm

Hagar wrote: »

Would that be a nuclear rocket?

nah he's just happy to see you...

sink · 03-01-2009 9:36pm

Domo230 wrote: »

Thats not counter insurgency.

Learn the difference

Technically Hamas are not insurgents they are belligerents. So your point is moot.

Hammiepeters · 03-01-2009 9:38pm

No just a conventional one is enough. If the arabs ever get their hands on one we will know about it. Pre emptive strikes on Iran now.

the_syco · 03-01-2009 9:40pm

Holsten wrote: »

Crazy.

I hope it backfires completely on the Israelis.

Well, the rocket attacks on Israel by Hamas during the "peace treaty" certainly backfired...

Hagar · 03-01-2009 9:41pm

Hammiepeters wrote: »

No just a conventional one is enough. If the arabs ever get their hands on one we will know about it. Pre emptive strikes on Iran now.

Hs it ever occured to you that if the West hadn't foisted the artificial state of Isreal on the Arabs that there would be no problems with them now?

Steve.Pseudonym · 03-01-2009 9:41pm

sink wrote: »

Technically Hamas are not insurgents they are belligerents. So your point is moot.

Are they? They don't represent a country, or any region with sovereignty, nor do they resemble a regular army. I think the term "insurgent" works just fine, although I can think of a few more accurate but less polite ones.

Hammiepeters · 03-01-2009 9:42pm

the_syco wrote: »

Well, the rocket attacks on Israel by Hamas during the "peace treaty" certainly backfired...

As they will always do.

YeatsCounty · 03-01-2009 9:49pm

Hammiepeters wrote: »

No just a conventional one is enough. If the arabs ever get their hands on one we will know about it. Pre emptive strikes on Iran now.

Why on earth should Iran be attacked (pre-emptively or otherwise) if an Arab state attains nuclear weapons? Iran is not an Arab state, FYI.

sink · 03-01-2009 9:49pm

Domo230 wrote: »

Counter insurgency is a completely different form of warfare and since 1945 there have been only a handful of instances of the "invader" being victorious. Hamas will be fighting this form of warfare.

My point is completely valid

An insurgency is a rebellion against the recognised authority of within it's territory. Although Hamas does not control a country per-se, they are the only recognised authority of the Gaza strip and so they are not insurgents but rather belligerents. Many precedents exist throughout history for exapmple the Confederates during the American civil war were recognised as belligerents as they were in sole control of the souther states. Insurgency implies that both the rebels and the recognised authority occupy the same territory.

Nodin · 03-01-2009 9:50pm

Hammiepeters wrote: »

No you are not numb. Just sick and tired of the predictability of a conflict where one side refuses to negotiate without a rocket in his back pocket.

What conflict would that be?

Domo230 wrote:

Counter insurgency is a completely different form of warfare and since 1945 there have been only a handful of instances of the "invader" being victorious. Hamas will be fighting this form of warfare..

Its Gaza. They're riddled with informers, spyed on from the air, sea and various surveillance methods. Contrary to what some have been saying they're armed with shi/te, up against a first world power who have no qualms about using a 155mm to kill a mouse. They're screwed. Its just a question of degree.

humberklog · 03-01-2009 9:52pm

Tzipi Livni is HOT!
I've been going to bed with one sock on since she's been popping up on tv more regularly.

sink · 03-01-2009 9:53pm

humberklog wrote: »

Tzipi Livni is HOT!
I've been going to bed with one sock on since she's been popping up on tv more regularly.

:eek: bleh!

brianthebard · 03-01-2009 9:54pm

Hammiepeters wrote: »

No you are not numb. Just sick and tired of the predictability of a conflict where one both sides refuses to negotiate without a rocket in his back pocket.

FYP

Hammiepeters · 03-01-2009 10:02pm

Hagar wrote: »

Hs it ever occured to you that if the West hadn't foisted the artificial state of Isreal on the Arabs that there would be no problems with them now?

Yeh right. Those peace loving arabs. Its just something else for them to hate and an excuse for their own self made ills.

FlutterinBantam · 03-01-2009 10:02pm

Hup... let's go, get in, and turn the kip into a car park, get out.

Nice one..

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sink · 03-01-2009 10:07pm

Domo230 wrote: »

You can call them what you like, the form of fighting Israel will be taking part in is counter insurgency warfare.

No it's not it's a very critical point because counter insurgency warfare entails the recognised authority wishes to retain control over the territory once the conflict ends. A task which is much more difficult over the long term than attempting to achieve a few short term goals before pulling out. Iraq and Afghanistan can be classed as counter insurgency as US/Iraqi forces and NATO/Afghan forces are fighting a rebellion to retain permanent control over the territories of Iraq and Afghanistan. Israel is fighting to stop attacks coming from a territory it does not wish to retain long term control over and is therefore a far easier to achieve.

Nodin · 03-01-2009 10:08pm

Hammiepeters wrote: »

No you are not numb. Just sick and tired of the predictability of a conflict where one side refuses to negotiate without a rocket in his back pocket.

Hammiepeters wrote: »

If the arabs ever get their hands on one we will know about it. Pre emptive strikes on Iran now..

Hammiepeters wrote: »

Yeh right. Those peace loving arabs. Its just something else for them to hate and an excuse for their own self made ills...

Bit of a pattern there I reckon.

Kold · 03-01-2009 10:08pm

Hammiepeters wrote: »

Yeh right. Those peace loving arabs. Its just something else for them to hate and an excuse for their own self made ills.

I think you'll find that hatred is not inherent to Arabs and comes from being treated like disposable sh*t. What is happening in the Middle East is 10 times worse than the British ever did to Ireland and you still find people defending their rights to hate the Brits on this website.

winston82 · 03-01-2009 10:20pm

if Northern Ireland were firing rockets into the Republic on a daily basis , would the Irish people want Ireland to invade them to make them stop. What should we do, hypothetically speaking?
I couldnt care less myself. I hope the Jews kill the terrorist bastards.

Terry · 03-01-2009 10:25pm

Hammiepeters wrote: »

Yeh right. Those peace loving arabs. Its just something else for them to hate and an excuse for their own self made ills.

I'm going to give you a chance to explain that post in full detail.

Do not post in this thread again unless you can justify that post.

Should you post in this thread without proper justification of that post, you will be banned.

Terry · 03-01-2009 10:36pm

winston82 wrote: »

if Northern Ireland were firing rockets into the Republic on a daily basis , would the Irish people want Ireland to invade them to make them stop. What should we do, hypothetically speaking?
I couldnt care less myself. I hope the Jews kill the terrorist bastards.

Banned for constant trolling.

03-01-2009 10:41pm

Can we invade Northern Ireland? Just for the craic.

M.T · 03-01-2009 10:45pm

It is a terrible and constant conflict. Some day I hope they get their sh1t together and sort it out.

In the mean time it makes great viewing on the Telly.
It will have difficulty topping the whole invasion of Iraq by WubbUw Bush but I have high hopes for the whole India and Pakistan thing.

M.T · 03-01-2009 10:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Can we invade Northern Ireland? Just for the craic.

You lot already are! Poor people of Newry are nearly out of baby food!

sink · 03-01-2009 10:49pm

Domo230 wrote: »

The reason Gaza is under Palestinian control in the first place is beacuse of their failed counter insurgency operaations in the past. Otherwise it would still be Israeli.

Certainly that was the case in the past we are currently discussing the present conflict.

Domo230 wrote: »

It has its differences to Iraq and Afghanistan but both are very similar.
Both involve pacifying small scale militant groups by occupying ground with troops. Whether they intend to stay or not really doesnt matter all that much .

While there are similarities there is a major difference in the goals they wish to achieve. Israel's stated goal of stopping rocket attacks emanating from Gaza is a lot more achievable than trying to retain full permanent control of the Gaza strip.

sink · 03-01-2009 11:03pm

Domo230 wrote: »

Its easier but I still doubt it will be a sucess. The operation will face the same problems that prevent standing armies from effectively dealing with militants.

I do not think Israel is looking to settle the conflict by military means. It is applying major pressure upon the Hamas government by ensuring maximum civilian disruption while claiming it is not directly attacking civilians. It is hoping to turn the civilian population against Hama's policy of bombarding Israel with rockets. They are already having some success with the Arab league.

Neamhshuntasach · 03-01-2009 11:08pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Can we invade Northern Ireland? Just for the craic.

What good will a civil war do?

galwayrush · 03-01-2009 11:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Can we invade Northern Ireland? Just for the craic.

Would they notice if we did?:rolleyes:

oztots · 03-01-2009 11:15pm

I think israel needs to calm it down a bit.

They have the backing of the US and most other countries since it was set up. They've comitted attrocities there and not a bad word has been said to them.

They seem to truly believe that the land there belongs to them. If so i think ireland should claim ant land a celt has ever stood on.

It seems that most countries the british empire leave end up in a war anyway.

That's its. They've invaded

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