Integra type r - how to tell if it is not a replica?

gline · 31-12-2008 1:52pm #1

I was looking to maybe buy an integra type-r and was just wondering, how can you tell the difference between the replica's and originals by looking (im looking at getting a DC2)?
Excuse the ignorance, but Im new to Hondas, last car was an mr2.

Also is there anything to look out for on type-r's that go wrong with them?

Are they a reliable car?

p-nut · 31-12-2008 2:56pm

Firstly the colour, type r's are a different shade of white called championship white. next up does it have disc brakes all round. then check the wheels, i think only type r's had 5 stud wheels whereas sir's and dc1's only have 4 stud. check the engine code, if its a type r the engine should have b18c5 printed on it. also the black dashboard, type r steering wheel, red recaros, red carpet and rear seats all indicate if its a type r or not.

very little to go wrong specifically on a type r, make sure it engages vtec properly and doesnt burn oil when doing so. wipe the back bumper above the exhaust before driving, take it out for a spin and let it warm up fully, then drive it hard up into vtec and look in your rear view to see does it send black smoke out. then wipe over the back bumper again to see if theres any oil recently spat out.

rest is all usual car checks, any knocking from suspension or engine, any sign of crash damage, any leaks, and rusting or corrosion.

hondas are generally very reliable so once they're looked after will cause very little trouble

omb0wyn5ehpij9 · 31-12-2008 2:57pm

p-nut wrote: »

Firstly the colour, type r's are a different shade of white called championship white. next up does it have disc brakes all round. then check the wheels, i think only type r's had 5 stud wheels whereas sir's and dc1's only have 4 stud. check the engine code, if its a type r the engine should have b18c5 printed on it. also the black dashboard, type r steering wheel, red recaros, red carpet and rear seats all indicate if its a type r or not.

96-98 integra type r's had 4 stud wheels

gline · 31-12-2008 3:14pm

would type-rs have a rep for been rallied into the ground though like levins?
basically hard to find a good looked after one?

so p-nut basically the vtech stuff is a posible failure point?

p-nut · 31-12-2008 3:52pm

Bryn wrote: »

96-98 integra type r's had 4 stud wheels

my bad, i'm not a honda man;)

Kimbot · 31-12-2008 4:05pm

gline wrote: »

would type-rs have a rep for been rallied into the ground though like levins?
basically hard to find a good looked after one?

so p-nut basically the vtech stuff is a posible failure point?

Alot of them would be rallied, also there are 2 different type or DC-2 Type-R's.
Jap spec (Square Headlights/ Slightly more power than the Euro spec) and Euro Spec (Round Headlights). Main thing to do when you get one is get a very good alarm because all hondas are pretty much crap when it comes to security.

If you go Jap, get an RSM (Takes the Jap speed restriction out of play).

Vtec goes through oil alot, your Vtec should be kicking in at around the 5600RPM mark, if not then something may be up with it but if it has a tonne of aftermarket parts then the VTEC point could be genuinley lowered to be more aggressive. (If your ever looking to get it lowered I would advise going to see Martin in Westward engineering).
If the car is lowered take a good look at the oil sump as it will be seriously damaged.
Easy thing to spot fakes aswell is that the rear wiper is not on the early DC-2's. also they won't have Recaro seats in them unless someone went to a real big expense in getting them. Also the second you open the bonnet and drivers door you will see the plate with the engine code etc on it and will tell you there if its a type-r or not.

gline · 31-12-2008 4:41pm

thanks for all the input.

they sound like a good car, its either one of these or a golf GT TDI im going for, not sure which yet though

omb0wyn5ehpij9 · 31-12-2008 5:27pm

gline wrote: »

thanks for all the input.

they sound like a good car, its either one of these or a golf GT TDI im going for, not sure which yet though

Definately get the integra.....but i'm slightly biased!

gline · 31-12-2008 5:49pm

lol
why would u say that? vw would be a bit better for mpg though, also i like turbos

easy enuf to modify

il prob have to just test drive both to judge though

Kimbot · 31-12-2008 7:04pm

Honda's are easy to modify aswell, with the possiblilty of adding a turbo into it!!

gline · 31-12-2008 7:40pm

lol id say that is a big job though :P

SV · 01-01-2009 1:07am

Don't get a diesel..get the integra please.

There's nothing good about diesels.

S.I.R · 01-01-2009 2:01pm

type R's generally have the stickers removed... its rather role reversal...

non R's have the stickers...

Real's remove them...

quite weird but hey, thats just from my own exp with ricers. :rolleyes:

SV · 01-01-2009 4:36pm

S.I.R wrote: »

quite weird but hey, thats just from my own exp with ricers. :rolleyes:

oh ffs, stfu.

omb0wyn5ehpij9 · 01-01-2009 4:36pm

S.I.R wrote: »

type R's generally have the stickers removed... its rather role reversal...

non R's have the stickers...

Real's remove them...

quite weird but hey, thats just from my own exp with ricers. :rolleyes:

Why is it that you talk so much crap in this forum?! :rolleyes:

Atomic Pineapple · 01-01-2009 5:39pm

jesus i must take off my stickers now or people will think i'm driving a replica!

theres a good few differences between 96 and 98 spec integras too.

dont touch one that has had the VTEC point changed over, when its changed the fueling and air mix is wrong and the VTEC point is set at the optimum point from the factory anyway.

the ukdm version has 10 less bhp than the jap version but it does have a better final drive in the gearbox, better security as standard, air conditioning and is way easier to insure (€800 for me)

you should register on http://www.itr-dc2.com loads of information there

omb0wyn5ehpij9 · 01-01-2009 5:42pm

draffodx wrote: »

jesus i must take off my stickers now or people will think i'm driving a replica!

theres a good few differences between 96 and 98 spec integras too.

dont touch one that has had the VTEC point changed over, when its changed the fueling and air mix is wrong and the VTEC point is set at the optimum point from the factory anyway.

the ukdm version has 10 less bhp than the jap version but it does have a better final drive in the gearbox, better security as standard, air conditioning and is way easier to insure (€800 for me)

you should register on http://www.itr-dc2.com loads of information there

Air conditioning was only an optional extra.....cos my ITR doesn't have it

Which isn't fun on the warm days considering my car is black and the whole interior is black aswell!

Atomic Pineapple · 01-01-2009 5:51pm

Bryn wrote: »

Air conditioning was only an optional extra.....cos my ITR doesn't have it Which isn't fun on the warm days considering my car is black and the whole interior is black aswell!

yeh wasn't sure if it was standard or optional, some people take it out though because it weighs so much

omb0wyn5ehpij9 · 01-01-2009 5:52pm

draffodx wrote: »

yeh wasn't sure if it was standard or optional, some people take it out though because it weighs so much

I would happily have that extra bit of weight in my car if it meant i had air conditioning!!!

Atomic Pineapple · 01-01-2009 5:56pm

Bryn wrote: »

I would happily have that extra bit of weight in my car if it meant i had air conditioning!!!

might be taking mine out when i'm finished college in march, i'll pm ya to see if you want it!

omb0wyn5ehpij9 · 01-01-2009 5:57pm

draffodx wrote: »

might be taking mine out when i'm finished college in march, i'll pm ya to see if you want it!

Cool, let me know

david · 01-01-2009 6:02pm

S.I.R wrote: »

type R's generally have the stickers removed... its rather role reversal...

non R's have the stickers...

Real's remove them...

quite weird but hey, thats just from my own exp with ricers. :rolleyes:

Wheres you're Dodge/Mustang/Pontiac?

I wet myself when I read your post

gline · 02-01-2009 2:09pm

diesel has good mpg though

SV · 02-01-2009 3:27pm

gline wrote: »

diesel has good mpg though

so?!

they sound like tractors! even the 'good ones'.
get a petrol if you're getting anything, please don't get a diesel.

Gumbo · 02-01-2009 5:09pm

gline wrote: »

diesel has good mpg though

if your even considering for one moment an ITR or a TDi golf then imo you should take your time and really think about it.

you cannot compare the 2, so you need to decide what you want?

200bhp raw screaming spine battering vtecing fun, or a diesel golf.

best of luck in your decision!

gline · 02-01-2009 5:16pm

kceire wrote: »

if your even considering for one moment an ITR or a TDi golf then imo you should take your time and really think about it.

you cannot compare the 2, so you need to decide what you want?

200bhp raw screaming spine battering vtecing fun, or a diesel golf.

best of luck in your decision!

but both are around similar bhp no?

the gt tdi isnt exactly slow, just not as fast accelerating

ARGINITE · 02-01-2009 5:24pm

They might be similar bhp, but they are two totally different animals. As kceire: 200bhp raw screaming spine battering vtecing fun, or a diesel golf. The way the Type r delivers that power is totally different from the way a diesel golf does.

SV · 02-01-2009 5:24pm

gline wrote: »

but both are around similar bhp no?

the gt tdi isnt exactly slow, just not as fast accelerating

acceleration is where the fun is.
diesels, no matter how powerful or fast will not be exciting or fun.

they rev to 5k if you're lucky ffs! just when you get going..it's all over

gline · 02-01-2009 5:42pm

not many "cars" do rev to vtech standards, doesnt mean they are ****.
i am just looking for something quicker than a standard car, doesnt have to be a high revving animal, i already had an mr2 and that was damn quick and fast accelerating and not at high revs, but i dont necessarily need something like that again, i got rid of it because of petrol costs.
how bad are the integra's on juice? the mr2 used to be like 19-25mpg

SV · 02-01-2009 5:47pm

gline wrote: »

not many "cars" do rev to vtech standards, doesnt mean they are ****.
i am just looking for something quicker than a standard car, doesnt have to be a high revving animal, i already had an mr2 and that was damn quick and fast accelerating and not at high revs, but i dont necessarily need something like that again, i got rid of it because of petrol costs.
how bad are the integra's on juice? the mr2 used to be like 19-25mpg

It doesn't mean they're shít, they're not. They're just boring.

Gumbo · 02-01-2009 6:29pm

gline wrote: »

but both are around similar bhp no?

the gt tdi isnt exactly slow, just not as fast accelerating

golf is 150bho
ITR is 197bhp

Atomic Pineapple · 02-01-2009 8:44pm

gline wrote: »

not many "cars" do rev to vtech standards, doesnt mean they are ****.
i am just looking for something quicker than a standard car, doesnt have to be a high revving animal, i already had an mr2 and that was damn quick and fast accelerating and not at high revs, but i dont necessarily need something like that again, i got rid of it because of petrol costs.
how bad are the integra's on juice? the mr2 used to be like 19-25mpg

If its cars that dont rev to 9k that you want then make it a petrol turbo

Ashas been said the cars are completely different, drive a ITR then drive a tdi golf and you'll realise how slow the golf is compared to the ITR, even the Golf GTi is slow compared to an ITR.

As for petrol costs.

The tank in my UKDM ITR holds around 44 litres and i get 180 - 200 miles per tank in it and thats with a fair bit of VTEC fun.

gline · 03-01-2009 12:22am

hmm so pretty bad mpg on the itr

Used to get about 220 miles out of the mr2 that was around 50litres

omb0wyn5ehpij9 · 03-01-2009 1:12am

gline wrote: »

hmm so pretty bad mpg on the itr Used to get about 220 miles out of the mr2 that was around 50litres

Well it depends how you drive the ITR. On average i would get about 250 miles to a tank, but i've got less than 200 miles before and also more than 300 miles before from a tank.

If you fancy sitting in a passenger seat of an ITR and seeing how they go, i will bring you out in mine some night if you want

Atomic Pineapple · 03-01-2009 1:30am

gline wrote: »

hmm so pretty bad mpg on the itr Used to get about 220 miles out of the mr2 that was around 50litres

you could easily get 220+ miles out if the ITR if your doing motorway miles or keep her out of VTEC, it just so happens i have a lovely road for using VTEC on the way to college everyday

omb0wyn5ehpij9 · 03-01-2009 1:33am

draffodx wrote: »

you could easily get 220+ miles out if the ITR if your doing motorway miles or keep her out of VTEC, it just so happens i have a lovely road for using VTEC on the way to college everyday

And also.....vtec is addictive :P

Atomic Pineapple · 03-01-2009 1:40am

Bryn wrote: »

And also.....vtec is addictive :P

it is! they should have a support group for people addicted to VTEC

gline · 03-01-2009 4:36pm

draffodx wrote: »

you could easily get 220+ miles out if the ITR if your doing motorway miles or keep her out of VTEC, it just so happens i have a lovely road for using VTEC on the way to college everyday

it would be drivin on m50 every day, mostly motorway miles all the time. and i dont have a lead right foot

hmmm so maybe it would not be so bad. when does the vtech kick in? what rpm on a standard itr?

Atomic Pineapple · 03-01-2009 5:07pm

gline wrote: »

it would be drivin on m50 every day, mostly motorway miles all the time. and i dont have a lead right foot hmmm so maybe it would not be so bad. when does the vtech kick in? what rpm on a standard itr?

5800 rpm but when your looking at the rev counter it will seem as if its 6000 rpm

you really have to take a spin or test drive in one to see what there like, you have to use the revs to get the power out of them as they have very little torque before VTECH

Gumbo · 03-01-2009 6:18pm

gline wrote: »

it would be drivin on m50 every day, mostly motorway miles all the time. and i dont have a lead right foot hmmm so maybe it would not be so bad. when does the vtech kick in? what rpm on a standard itr?

VTEC -

VTECH -

if i was you, i would take up the offers of the lads above and go for a spin in one of their ITR's, that way you get a feel for how the car drives and if youyr comfortable with the engine note, and charactistics (sp)

david · 04-01-2009 9:31am

draffodx wrote:

might be taking mine out when i'm finished college in march, i'll pm ya to see if you want it!

Bryn wrote: »

Cool, let me know

See what you did there

Kimbot · 06-01-2009 11:43am

draffodx wrote: »

jesus i must take off my stickers now or people will think i'm driving a replica!

theres a good few differences between 96 and 98 spec integras too.

dont touch one that has had the VTEC point changed over, when its changed the fueling and air mix is wrong and the VTEC point is set at the optimum point from the factory anyway.

the ukdm version has 10 less bhp than the jap version but it does have a better final drive in the gearbox, better security as standard, air conditioning and is way easier to insure (€800 for me)

you should register on http://www.itr-dc2.com loads of information there

Proven best VTEC point when you are tuning the ITR is around the 5200 RPM mark.
Not all changed VTEC points are wrong, If you change the VTEC point and don't set the air/fuel mix your engine won't last long. And most of the ITR's I have seen with the VTEC point changed are all set 100% correctly.

From what I remember all Jap ITR-s have Air Con as standard.

draffodx wrote: »

5800 rpm but when your looking at the rev counter it will seem as if its 6000 rpm

you really have to take a spin or test drive in one to see what there like, you have to use the revs to get the power out of them as they have very little torque before VTECH

Actually the Jap ITR is set to 5600RPM and If I remember rightly the UK one is set to 5800RPM.

S.I.R · 06-01-2009 12:56pm

ClioV6 wrote: »

oh ffs, stfu.

do please,

go to mac donalds, get a teg burger, with some vtec sauce :rolleyes:

also since when is being Bluntly honest such a bad thing, if everything was " oh so nice " all day long... you'd all shoot yerselfs with bordum...

no need to thank me.

Gumbo · 06-01-2009 1:55pm

????????

Gumbo · 06-01-2009 1:57pm

jonny24ie wrote: »

Proven best VTEC point when you are tuning the ITR is around the 5200 RPM mark.
Not all changed VTEC points are wrong, If you change the VTEC point and don't set the air/fuel mix your engine won't last long. And most of the ITR's I have seen with the VTEC point changed are all set 100% correctly.

From what I remember all Jap ITR-s have Air Con as standard.

Actually the Jap ITR is set to 5600RPM and If I remember rightly the UK one is set to 5800RPM.

all vtec engines are set to 5800rpm, it just looks like 6000rpm as your looking at the car clocks.

if you fit an apexi RSM to your car and set the flash setting to start at 5800rpm, then you'll see the flash starting exactly at the same time as the 2nd camshaft kicks in!

also the vtec point on eachh car will be different, as in when i had my car mapped the best point for performance increase was 5400rpm.

Gumbo · 06-01-2009 2:01pm

S.I.R wrote: »

do please,

go to mac donalds, get a teg burger, with some vtec sauce :rolleyes:

also since when is being Bluntly honest such a bad thing, if everything was " oh so nice " all day long... you'd all shoot yerselfs with bordum...

no need to thank me.

problem was you were not being honest, just talking crap imo.

Kimbot · 06-01-2009 2:04pm

kceire wrote: »

all vtec engines are set to 5800rpm, it just looks like 6000rpm as your looking at the car clocks.

if you fit an apexi RSM to your car and set the flash setting to start at 5800rpm, then you'll see the flash starting exactly at the same time as the 2nd camshaft kicks in!

also the vtec point on eachh car will be different, as in when i had my car mapped the best point for performance increase was 5400rpm.

I have an RSM fitted and she was kicking in on the 5600RPM mark, also on of the lads was the very same. VTEC point wasn't lowered in either car at this point.

Yes the VTEC point would be different on each car depending on the tuning parts used. I have seen it around the place that the average best is 5200rpm. The range was around 4800 - 5600 so mid point in there is 5200 and that would make that your average.

Kimbot · 06-01-2009 2:06pm

S.I.R wrote: »

type R's generally have the stickers removed... its rather role reversal...

non R's have the stickers...

Real's remove them...

quite weird but hey, thats just from my own exp with ricers. :rolleyes:

I don't know about that one mate, I have seen real R's with the proper stickers. Fair enough if your making a replica then you will try make it as real as possible but nobody that I know with a real type-r are going to remove their stickers.

Gumbo · 06-01-2009 2:12pm

jonny24ie wrote: »

I have an RSM fitted and she was kicking in on the 5600RPM mark, also on of the lads was the very same. VTEC point wasn't lowered in either car at this point.

Yes the VTEC point would be different on each car depending on the tuning parts used. I have seen it around the place that the average best is 5200rpm. The range was around 4800 - 5600 so mid point in there is 5200 and that would make that your average.

very very strange, honda made the B18 engine along with all the other B series engines to kick in at 5800rpm.

i know for a fact that RSM cannot adjust the vtec point of engagement, so are you sure it wasnt running some sort of aftermarket ECU or unichip remap etc etc?

heres a good type R write up.

http://www.superhonda.com/tech/DC2Type-R_comparison.html

Atomic Pineapple · 06-01-2009 2:17pm

jonny24ie wrote: »

Proven best VTEC point when you are tuning the ITR is around the 5200 RPM mark.
Not all changed VTEC points are wrong, If you change the VTEC point and don't set the air/fuel mix your engine won't last long. And most of the ITR's I have seen with the VTEC point changed are all set 100% correctly.

From what I remember all Jap ITR-s have Air Con as standard.

Actually the Jap ITR is set to 5600RPM and If I remember rightly the UK one is set to 5800RPM.

A spoon ecu will decrease the VTEC point to 5200 and will adjust the air/fuel ratio appropiattely and push the rev limiter up higher.

this is not the optimum point for VTEC though, this will make your car slightly faster but will decrease the engines life expectancy, the optimum point is set from the factory to give the car enough power while making sure the engine does not suffer.

Gumbo · 06-01-2009 2:19pm

draffodx wrote: »

A spoon ecu will decrease the VTEC point to 5200 and will adjust the air/fuel ratio appropiattely and push the rev limiter up higher.

this is not the optimum point for VTEC though, this will make your car slightly faster but will decrease the engines life expectancy, the optimum point is set from the factory to give the car enough power while making sure the engine does not suffer.

The VTEC point on a JDM is 5600 indeed

are you sure?
i bought my JDM version completely standard, right down to the air filter, being a standard honda flat panel item and my vtec point was 5800rpm???

Integra type r - how to tell if it is not a replica?

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