Spiking drinks

mikemac

Here's a good topic (imo ) and not been raised in ages
Over in the legal forum some OP was claiming their drink was spiked which led them to do something stupid. Wasn't their fault of course.........

Does this go on? I've heard of three girls I know being claimed they were spiked and I've no reason to doubt them. And I remember the Student Union back in college putting stickers on unattended glasses to show what could be done.

But is there any verified cases in Ireland confirmed by medical professionals?
Dunno, seems a lot of people who did regrettable things when drunk use the spiking claim.

"I poisoned myself with alchohol and did something stupid"
versus
"I was spiked and so I'm not repsonsble for the stupid actions last night"
It comes up now and again in Personal Issues forum but I ain't seen it here

What say the hard-drinking posters of After Hours, is it rampant in Ireland or maybe almost a myth?

Terry

As anti-drugs as I may come across here, I still believe most people just drink too much.*




*As sad as it is, I still have to point out that I'm talking about illegal drugs.
Yes, we are all aware that caffiene is a drug.

Kiera

Oh Mike you slydog, i see what you're doing here. You want people to tell you how it was done to them. Very clever. Dont worry, i wont give the game away

Berty

I have gone off my rocker on Vodka twice and thought it was down to either taking drugs I could not remember or being spiked.

Being a bloke I discounted the spiked aspect and figured that nobody would be stupid enough to give me free drugs so therefore I must have drank a hell of a lot of alcy-hol.

I have heard of girls "claiming" to have been spiked but considering they were kicked ugly you hardly need to spike them, just say hello and your in.

The Mighty Ken

I'd imagine some people use it as an excuse for doing something that they regret when they've had too much to drink and others are genuinely drugged and raped. I don't know the actual ratio. I don't think anyone does. It's anybody's guess. Hardly even necessitates a thread.

my sis in law had her drink spiked, she was only on her second drink and collapsed in a night club and had to be rushed to hospital. It happens.

Fringe

My friend claims he had some spiked gin at a music festival when he got hospitalised along with the other jagermeister and vodka.

RugbyFanatic

I think two things happen

(1) They drink too much
(2)They knowingly take drugs, end up in hospital, family around etc. ''oh I was spiked''


The two spiking drugs' (ghb and ecstasy) taste is so ridiculously prominent that you would taste it right away anyway so I simply dont buy it

krudler

Happened my girlfriend about 2 months ago,dropped her off for a night out with her friends, went into a pub at 10pm, had half a glass, went to the bathroom, finsihed it, rang me a half hour later in a panic as she didnt know what was wrong with her, drove her home while she was half unconscious and she doesnt remember the drive or even ringing me, theres no possible way you could get that drunk in less than an hour, and her friends said she did think her vodka tasted funny, her friends stayed out and were being hassled all night by the guys sitting at a table behind them in the pub where they were first so it was obvious one of them had intentions of spiking their drinks and getting them home, she said she'd recognise them if they ever saw them again so god help them if I'm there at the time

RugbyFanatic

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

I think two things happen

(1) They drink too much
(2)They knowingly take drugs, end up in hospital, family around etc. ''oh I was spiked''


The two spiking drugs' (ghb and ecstasy) taste is so ridiculously prominent that you would taste it right away anyway so I simply dont buy it

well in this case it was the doctor who told us her drink had been spiked so figure that one out!
I take drugs, so does my husband, my sis in law know this, she think we're knackers for doing so, she knows she could tell us if she took anything, but she didn't.

Neamhshuntasach

I was spiked a good few years ago out in Ice. I know being there i was probably asking for it. But i had been at the Wolfetones gig and went to Ice afterwards. I hadn't drank too much up to the point i realized something was up. It just made me drozy to a point i'd nearly fall unconscious and i ended up nearly choking on my on sick.

I'd say it still goes on all right but nearly not as much as it's down to too much drinking by people who can't handle it and use the aul "i was spiked" defense.

RugbyFanatic

Deleted User wrote: »

well in this case it was the doctor who told us her drink had been spiked so figure that one out!
I take drugs, so does my husband, my sis in law know this, she think we're knackers for doing so, she knows she could tell us if she took anything, but she didn't.

I just did, she took something and got embarassed about it and said she was spiked.

Honestly its impossible not to taste ecstasy or ghb

df1985

why would someone give a stranger free drugs??people who do drugs are obviously going to keep them for themselves and their mates. apart from the odd date rape cases which im aware does happen, the majority imo are people needing an excuse to cover up the state they got themselves in.perhaps they cant believe theyve got themselves in that state of their own doing so they actually do believe they were spiked?

ive never had any mates claim they were spiked and if they did id tell them to shut up and cop on.you drank a load of vodka on top of a rake of pints, then did some shots and it hit ya like a tonne of bricks.end of story.ive done plenty of stupid things when drunk, woke up in places when i had no idea how i got there, and had nights where i dont remember a thing and a) i drank way too much or b) i actually did do drugs.simple as!

JC 2K3

<3BeingIN6th wrote: »

As anti-drugs as I may come across here, I still believe most people just drink too much.

Caffeine is a drug. It can make you jittery and lower your attention span. Sometimes this means I end up only reading half of someone's post.

to Rugby fanatic, since you think there are only two types of drugs by which you can be spiked:



Prescription drugs are frequently used including benzodiazepines, barbiturates, muscle relaxants and hypnotics-such as Serapax, Valium and Rohypnol. Rohypnol now has a reputation as being one of the most common prescription drugs used in drink spiking cases.

Illicit drugs such as Ecstacy, LSD, Fantasy, (also known as Liquid Ecstacy or GHB), Ketamine and other party drugs are known to be used. People appear high or revved up when they have been affected by a party drug. GHB is particularly nasty because it can cause serious breathing problems. People cannot sleep it off. They need to get medical assistance immediately.

amdublin

The only thing their drinks are "spiked" with is alcohol.......And it is "spiked" by themselves.

(Excepting all the stories above about people having one drink and collapsing. They are prob genuine.)

patrickSTARR

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

I just did, she took something and got embarassed about it and said she was spiked.

Honestly its impossible not to taste ecstasy or ghb

maybe she could of been spiked with something else???

Peared

That night I slept with the entire rugby team and then slept with the entire opposing rugby team I was spiked.

Definitely.

Yep.

Nightwish

It happened me in 1st year of college. I collapsed after my second drink and threw up everywhere. The bouncers apparently threw me out on the street. I cant remember very much. I had left my drink down as the bouncers didnt allow them to be taken onto the dancefloor. I learned my lesson, and was very ill all the following day. Seeing as it was my usual drink and I was feeling great, to keel over the way I did after 1 drink is quite suspicious. Thankfully my friends were looking out for me, and took me straight home after the bouncers left me outside.

patrickSTARR

Has anyone ever seen anyone try spike a drink???

im 24, and ive never seen anyone spike or attept to spike a drink, im sure it does happen but im sure there are even more people using the spiked excuse than the number of ppl genuinely spiked

nope - never saw anyone doing it. I have no doubt that there are a hell of a lot of people out there who just can't handle their drink and then blame someone else for their stupidity. Apart from the one case earlier, I have never heard of anyone else claiming their drink was spiked, thankfully.

patrickSTARR

id say lot of idots just blame it on being spiked wen in fact the have just got pissed on an empty stomach. or those who try drugs and are too ashamed to admit it and blame it on someone else!

patrickSTARR

patrickSTARR wrote: »

id say lot of idots just blame it on being spiked wen in fact the have just got pissed on an empty stomach. or those who try drugs and are too ashamed to admit it and blame it on someone else!

and then there are those who it did actually happen to....

patrickSTARR

dot dot dot................rrrrr im living in suspense...............

Elem

<3BeingIN6th wrote: »

As anti-drugs as I may come across here, I still believe most people just drink too much.*

I agree, I've been working in bars/nightclubs for the past 10 years and in only one case have I considered the person was telling the truth.

jinglebells

yea i do think people blame stupid mistakes on bein spiked when they hav just drank to much but i also know sum1 who got spiked and collapsed out side a ladies toilet in a nite-club but luckily she was ok-after couple days in bed :eek:

patrickSTARR

its just like ape, too many false claims make ya think everyone is faking, sad really

Terry

Nightwish wrote: »

It happened me in 1st year of college. I collapsed after my second drink and threw up everywhere. The bouncers apparently threw me out on the street. I cant remember very much. I had left my drink down as the bouncers didnt allow them to be taken onto the dancefloor. I learned my lesson, and was very ill all the following day. Seeing as it was my usual drink and I was feeling great, to keel over the way I did after 1 drink is quite suspicious. Thankfully my friends were looking out for me, and took me straight home after the bouncers left me outside.

The guy who spiked you has the first name "Paul".

My sources told me this.

pfishfood

There are a lot of people that do blame too much drink and doing stupid things on being spiked. But spiking in ireland does happen and mainly for malicious reasons. not just sex. A close friend of mine was spiked a few years back by another "friend" for no other reason than a laugh. A swift trip to A&E later and it was'nt a laughing matter.

patrickSTARR

like i love having a laugh wen drinking, i love dropping my pants on a danceflor (awh ankles) and i love waking up hugging traffic cone the next day(id rather m gf but hey) but how can u be a friend and spike ur mate, thats serious stupid, what i they died?

on a lighter note, a friend of mine thought it would be a great idea to spike his friends drink with Viagra, so of course, the lads decided it would be much more fun to do it to him instead, poor bugger had a stiffy til the following morning and couldn't get a girl for love nor money!

it was really awful, I would never condone that sort of thing

Kold

As someone who has experimented with quite a few drugs, it still surprises me sometimes the potency of alcohol. On a number of occasions, alcohol has made me go batsh*t crazier than anything I've taken.

That's not to say it doesn't happen but people need to stop thinking that just because alcohol is legal, it's perfectly fun to abuse and not think you'll find yourself in trouble.

patrickSTARR

thats gas! so doing that to my mate! lol

markok84

mikemac wrote: »

What say the hard-drinking posters of After Hours, is it rampant in Ireland or maybe almost a myth?

My drink was definately spiked St. Stephens night coz after about 15 of them I got an uncontrollable urge to dance the night away with blatant disregard for how stupid I looked.

MizzLolly

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

I think two things happen

(1) They drink too much
(2)They knowingly take drugs, end up in hospital, family around etc. ''oh I was spiked''


The two spiking drugs' (ghb and ecstasy) taste is so ridiculously prominent that you would taste it right away anyway so I simply dont buy it

So, do you reckon if a woman claims she's spiked and sexually assaulted she's probably lying?

What makes you think that spiking does not happen?

You know there are many more drugs that can be used other than the ones you listed, right?

RugbyFanatic

MizzLolly wrote: »

So, do you reckon if a woman claims she's spiked and sexually assaulted she's probably lying?

What makes you think that spiking does not happen?

You know there are many more drugs that can be used other than the ones you listed, right?

I just don't buy into this spiking I think its more a case of women can be plied with alcohol without their knowledge i.e a guy ordering a triple vodka and claiming its a single etc. see in a lot of cases women drink cocktails or mixtures so it could easily happen that after 1 or 2 drinks their ****faced if someone is putting copius amounts of alcohol into it be it a randomer or the barman

An expert was asked here what was the most common date rape drug, his reply? alcohol

Theres only ever been one confirmed case of a rhypnol spiking here I believe

Sharpshooter

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

I just don't buy into this spiking I think its more a case of women can be plied with alcohol without their knowledge i.e a guy ordering a triple vodka and claiming its a single etc. see in a lot of cases women drink cocktails or mixtures so it could easily happen that after 1 or 2 drinks their ****faced if someone is putting copius amounts of alcohol into it be it a randomer or the barman

An expert was asked here what was the most common date rape drug, his reply? alcohol



Theres only ever been one confirmed case of a rhypnol spiking here I believe

Yes , but in your previous post , you stated that

The two spiking drugs' (ghb and ecstasy) taste is so ridiculously prominent that you would taste it right away anyway so I simply dont buy it.

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/date/a/rohypnol.htm

It is colourless , odorless and tasteless.
How can you make such an assumption , without being sure of your facts?

One confirmed case , does not mean many more didn't go unreported.

Terry

MizzLolly wrote: »

So, do you reckon if a woman claims she's spiked and sexually assaulted she's probably lying?

What makes you think that spiking does not happen?

You know there are many more drugs that can be used other than the ones you listed, right?

There have either been 2 reported cases of date rape which showed that people had been spiked or else there were none. I can't remember.

Either way, most cases of people reporting being spiked with drugs have just drank too much.

I see young people knocking back shots all the time and they really don't get that these shots will fúck them up.
They seem to think of them as being as weak as beer, but just don't get how much alcohol they are putting in their bodies.

They go on to make complete idiots of themselves and refuse to face the fact that they drank more than they could handle.

miss no stars

I feel sorry for the person that does get their drink spiked because so many people won't believe them.


It does happen that people get spiked with alcohol. Back when I drank spirits, I was on a night out and got into a rounds system. 2 rounds in and I was on the floor completely ****faced. I thought I was drinking single measures of vodka... In reality I'd had 2 triple vodkas as they thought it would be hillarious. Thankfully they admitted it and brought me home.

Mikel

Deleted User wrote: »

on a lighter note, a friend of mine thought it would be a great idea to spike his friends drink with Viagra, so of course, the lads decided it would be much more fun to do it to him instead, poor bugger had a stiffy til the following morning and couldn't get a girl for love nor money!

His drink was spiked with a large blue pill which is poorly soluble and he doesn't notice?
Bullsh1t

Terry

miss no stars wrote: »

I feel sorry for the person that does get their drink spiked because so many people won't believe them.


It does happen that people get spiked with alcohol. Back when I drank spirits, I was on a night out and got into a rounds system. 2 rounds in and I was on the floor completely ****faced. I thought I was drinking single measures of vodka... In reality I'd had 2 triple vodkas as they thought it would be hillarious. Thankfully they admitted it and brought me home.

That can be nasty too.

I've been guilty of buying doubles for people when they only asked for singles, but only because I was drunk and wanted them to be as drunk as me. It's twisted logic in both ways.

I've never done that for people who were not used to drinking though.

The main thing is though, there are lots of women wo report being raped when they were just drunk and they just mess up the system for women who actually have been raped and didn't just regret having sex with me some ugly dude when they wake up with a hangover.

pfishfood

patrickSTARR wrote: »

like i love having a laugh wen drinking, i love dropping my pants on a danceflor (awh ankles) and i love waking up hugging traffic cone the next day(id rather m gf but hey) but how can u be a friend and spike ur mate, thats serious stupid, what i they died?

Sigh read the post again. I meant "a friend" being sarcastic. As in someone who was considered at one point to be a friend but not any more. Good god man:mad:

Mikel

Mikel wrote: »

His drink was spiked with a large blue pill which is poorly soluble and he doesn't notice?
Bullsh1t

yup, tis true, believe me or don't, I really couldn't give a sh*t!!!

MizzLolly

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

I just don't buy into this spiking I think its more a case of women can be plied with alcohol without their knowledge i.e a guy ordering a triple vodka and claiming its a single etc. see in a lot of cases women drink cocktails or mixtures so it could easily happen that after 1 or 2 drinks their ****faced if someone is putting copius amounts of alcohol into it be it a randomer or the barman

An expert was asked here what was the most common date rape drug, his reply? alcohol

Absolutely, a person can be spiked with alcohol. Your first post suggested that spikings happen because some women drink too much. If something is being put into their drink that will alter their ability to take care of themselves, do you really think it's fair to say;

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

(1) They drink too much
(2)They knowingly take drugs, end up in hospital, family around etc. ''oh I was spiked

There's a huge difference between a woman drinking herself senseless and a woman being tricked into consuming something she is not aware of in order to make her vulnerable.

Of course some people find themselves in horrible situations because they didn't know where to draw the line. That's a different issue altogether though I do agree with you in this regard.

To knowingly spike a person, be it with alcohol, LSD, rohypnol or whatever, is wrong. You're taking away their ability to respond to any situation they find themselves in and putting them in a vulnerable position in which they can not effectively communicate with you.

To suggest that these victims have simply taken a drug and freaked out in hospital is mind-boggling. I'm sure it has happened but why should that influence how a society reacts to a genuine allegation of date rape for example? I just found the original post by you to be a lil bit insensitive. Spiking does happen and if your ability to protect yourself has been intentionally broken down by another person without you knowing, I think it's terribly unfair to be accused of simply drinking to much or using it as a cover up for taking illegal drugs.

That kind of attitude, in my opinion, puts all responsibility on the victim even though his/her ability to respond has been altered.

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

Theres only ever been one confirmed case of a rhypnol spiking here I believe

I wonder has it anything to do with the sickening numbers of unreported rapes in the country.

Hardly surprising when these victims feel they must contend with accusations of simply ''drinking too much'' or having their ordeal somehow thrown back on them because they find themselves around people who..

just don't buy into this spiking

No offence to you RugbyFanatic, I just took issue with your opinion on this matter.

RugbyFanatic

I am just wondering if anyone can find me one case of confirmed spiking in Ireland? I am not saying it doesnt exist I am just wondering. I have heard of one just never seen the article thats all.

I think it is nowhere even close to being common and whilst it can happen I am sure in 99% of cases its alcohol not lsd/ecstasy/ghb/rhypnol etc.

RugbyFanatic

There have been no sexual offences reported to the gardai in which the use of Rohypnol, a so-called 'date rape drug', has been detected, the Department of Health has said.

Rohypnol is a tranquilliser, which is 10 times more potent than Valium. A 2mg tablet will induce a sedative effect within 20-30 minutes and can last for up to eight hours. Its ability to bring about muscle relaxation and amnesia has reportedly resulted in the drug being implicated in a number of 'date rapes' in several countries.

While there have been reports of such incidences here, the Department has insisted that it 'has not been made aware that there has been an increase in the use of Rohypnol in date rape cases over the last two years'.

"The Garda authorities have informed the Minister for Justice that there have been no sexual offences reported to the gardai in which the use of Rohypnol has been detected", the Department said.

Rohypnol is only available in this country by prescription from a doctor. Unauthorised possession of it is an offence. In response to allegations that it can be used as a date rape drug, the manufacturers of the drug have added a coloured dye to its formulation, making it easier to detect if it is secretly administered to a person's drink.

"The Minister for Justice has been assured by the Garda authorities that they constantly monitor and analyse the incidence of drug misuse from the perspective of patterns and trends and they remain vigilant with regard to the use of this particular drug", the Department added.

The Mighty Ken

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

There have been no sexual offences reported to the gardai in which the use of Rohypnol, a so-called 'date rape drug', has been detected, the Department of Health has said.

Rohypnol is a tranquilliser, which is 10 times more potent than Valium. A 2mg tablet will induce a sedative effect within 20-30 minutes and can last for up to eight hours. Its ability to bring about muscle relaxation and amnesia has reportedly resulted in the drug being implicated in a number of 'date rapes' in several countries.

While there have been reports of such incidences here, the Department has insisted that it 'has not been made aware that there has been an increase in the use of Rohypnol in date rape cases over the last two years'.

"The Garda authorities have informed the Minister for Justice that there have been no sexual offences reported to the gardai in which the use of Rohypnol has been detected", the Department said.

Rohypnol is only available in this country by prescription from a doctor. Unauthorised possession of it is an offence. In response to allegations that it can be used as a date rape drug, the manufacturers of the drug have added a coloured dye to its formulation, making it easier to detect if it is secretly administered to a person's drink.

"The Minister for Justice has been assured by the Garda authorities that they constantly monitor and analyse the incidence of drug misuse from the perspective of patterns and trends and they remain vigilant with regard to the use of this particular drug", the Department added.

Em. Hang on. Were you the same person on page 1 that was asserting that E and GHB were the date rape drugs of choice and now you're an expert on rohypnol all of a sudden? It makes for much more interesting forums if you say what you know and not what you copy and paste from Wikipedia.

Terry

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

Em. Hang on. Were you the same person on page 1 that was asserting that E and GHB were the date rape drugs of choice and now you're an expert on rohypnol all of a sudden? It makes for much more interesting forums if you say what you know and not what you copy and paste from Wikipedia.

Indeed.

Rohypnol used to be easy to get.
I know several people who used to take it.
It used to come in two parts. One did something and the other did something else.

Anyway, if you seperated the two parts, then one would get you high.

Used to be called purple hearts.

Early 90's.

RugbyFanatic

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

Em. Hang on. Were you the same person on page 1 that was asserting that E and GHB were the date rape drugs of choice and now you're an expert on rohypnol all of a sudden? It makes for much more interesting forums if you say what you know and not what you copy and paste from Wikipedia.

No I was merely using ecstasy and GHB because they are the ones you usually hear when people say they have been spiked.

Someone brought up rhypnol and I produced that article which isnt from wikipedia

Azureus

all i can say on this is that ive a friend who gets regularly off her face on drinks and god knows what else, then claims she was spiked when she does something regrettable.

that said, it does happen. i was away earlier this year and after two drinks (a glass of wine and a cosmopolitan in a later bar) i was suddenly in the bathroom feling very .. only way i can describe it is 'weird'.. throwing up then becoming really sleepy and not able to keep my eyes open. woke up the next day in my bed after my bf had got me home safe, with a really odd numb feeling in my legs. now i dont know what happened to this day but i can guarantee you it wasnt alcohol or something voluntary.
so it happens.

Hank Scorpio

im not sure after a good few pints wud i be able to taste some of the drugs mentioned above in my drink..
alot of estacy tastes like hairspray fair enuff, but crushed into powder then mixed about in a drink? Im not convinced