Protests over Gaza deaths at 5PM Today (Monday) outside Israeli Embassy..

Run_to_da_hills

THE brutal, criminal attack by the Israelis on the desperate people of Gaza has its roots in the total Israeli blockade of Gaza, denying the people basic needs such as food, fuel and medicine. The Israelis continue to attack this highly populated nation indiscriminately just like shooting fish in a barrel.

A demonstration outside the Israeli embassy in Dublin is planned for 5pm today held by the Irish Palestine Solidarity Campaign.

http://www.herald.ie/world-news/irish-protests-mount-over-gaza-deaths-1587281.html

mike65

I'll be there with my Star Of David flag.

Oswald Osbourne

I'll be there with my Seinfeld DVDs!

R0ot

I for one welcome our jewish overlords :pac:

amjon

Is there going to be a similar protest against Hamas/Palestinians for their indiscriminate use of missiles against the Israeli people?

Oswald Osbourne

We'd need there to be a palastinian embassy first

Nodin

R0ot wrote: »

I for one welcome our jewish overlords :pac:

Rubbish.


It's clearly the Japanese behind the whole thing. Those tv's are everywhere...listening...watching.....

Nodin

amjon wrote: »

Is there going to be a similar protest against Hamas/Palestinians for their indiscriminate use of missiles against the Israeli people?

...when they do a similar amount of damage. I should be dead by then but my descendants descendants will be obliged to turn up.

Oswald Osbourne

Jews Japanese? Both words begin with 'J'! Coincidence?

R0ot

Oswald Osbourne wrote: »

Jews Japanese? Both words begin with 'J'! Coincidence?

more like Joincidence, amirite? :pac:

Neamhshuntasach

amjon wrote: »

Is there going to be a similar protest against Hamas/Palestinians for their indiscriminate use of missiles against the Israeli LAND?

Fixed that for ya since about 95% of their rockets land in unpopulated fields.

mike65

So why bother firing them?

Run_to_da_hills

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Fixed that for ya since about 95% of their rockets land in unpopulated fields.

Fixed that again for ya since about 95% of their fireworks land in unpopulated fields.

Terry

5% still hit.

Neamhshuntasach

mike65 wrote: »

So why bother firing them?

The sense of doing something. Oppression is a terrible thing. It causes you to do terrible and often disparate things.

The_Minister

<3BeingIN6th wrote: »

5% still hit.

It's amazing how people ignore that.

But, I still support the Palistinians tbh.

VO

Hamas knew exactly what they were doing when they refused to enter into another ceasefire and recommenced firing rockets into Israeli territory. One thing that is very apparant over the past 40 years is if you screw with Israel they will retaliate with force. I don't agree with civilians being targetted but then Hamas have been targetting civilians in their rocket attacks.

Riamfada

Im a bit confused and yes I know very little about this. So .... Hamas start firing hundreds of rockets into Israeli territory with 5% killing people and 95%damaging innocent fields. Israel retaliates by attacking tunnels which are used for importing arms and supporting. So we protest at the Israeli embassy?

MagicMarker

I'm sure those in the Israeli embassy will give a fúck that a bunch of Irish tossers have decided to congregate outside their front door.

Neamhshuntasach

The_Minister wrote: »

It's amazing how people ignore that.

But, I still support the Palistinians tbh.

It's not that it's ignored. It's when the other side have a 95% hit record that it becomes a little less significant in comparison with the death and destruction that the IDF cause.

People arguing can go back and forth on that issue all year long and it will never resolve anything. It's gonna be an opinion or mindset. And it's the same thing with the Israeli's, heavy handed beyond necessary means every time a palestinian rocket is fired into Israel, which is not just for the craic by the way. It's usually in response to something that does not make it onto television or papers over here. If that is going to be the response every time that happens, the situation will never end. Unless they continue to bomb from the air with no regard to innocent civilians and at some stage in the future every last Palestinian has been killed or fled to other countries. Well the fleeing part would only happen if they were allowed leave the imprisoned cities they live in.

Fanny Cradock

The_Minister wrote: »

It's amazing how people ignore that.

But, I still support the Palistinians tbh.

It's why people buy Special K (the cereal, that is).

however, back to the debate at had, the Israelis are generally seen to be disproportionate in their response. The casualty figures seemingly back this up.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Palestinian_conflict#Casualties

The Mighty Ken

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

...every time a palestinian rocket is fired into Israel, which is not just for the craic by the way. It's usually in response to something that does not make it onto television or papers over here.

Can you provide any evidence for this whatsoever? How do you know that the likes of Hamas or Hezbollah aren't just antagonising the Israelis unprovoked?

DemocAnarchis

I think the contrast between this conflict and the Russia-Georgia situation is quite interesting. In both cases the smaller state was seen as the aggressor, but while Russia received widespread condemnation for disproportionate use of force, here the jury seems to be siding with Israel. Not identical situations by any stretch of the imagination of course, but there are definately similarities.

galwayrush

I'm sure when the terrorists stop attacking Israeli targets and people FIRST, the Israelies will stop firing back.

The Mighty Ken

I've never really understood this proportionate response argument. If I'm in a nightclub and I walk over to a guy twice my size and start poking him in the eyes and the turns around and hospitalises me... you know what? I asked for and deserve it!

I'm still interested in seeing a little proof of whether Hamas were provoked into firing 450 rockets into Israel. I was under the impression that they were doing it after Israeli troops had actually pulled out of The Strip, just to add insult to injury.

Frankie Lee

DemocAnarchis wrote: »

I think the contrast between this conflict and the Russia-Georgia situation is quite interesting. In both cases the smaller state was seen as the aggressor, but while Russia received widespread condemnation for disproportionate use of force, here the jury seems to be siding with Israel. Not identical situations by any stretch of the imagination of course, but there are definately similarities.

Big difference Georgia is a reasonably sized country with the supposed support of the worlds superpower behind it and thought they would have a chance to flex their muscles but failed miserably.

Here another reasonably sized country with the absolute support of the worlds main superpower behind it are accelerating their program of ethnic cleansing.

Still the similarity is that a lot of people will agree that the side with the backing of the worlds main superpower are in the right.

Guy:Incognito

Nodin wrote: »

...when they do a similar amount of damage.

So are we just protesting because Isreal are killing more pepole than the Palestinians?

If they promise to kill a few less is that ok?

allabouteve

The_Minister wrote: »

It's amazing how people ignore that.

But, I still support the Palistinians tbh.

Thats nice and all, but remember that if they had the arms, 95% of Palistinians believe that all non-Muslims should be anilhated as infidels, and that western countries would be the first port of call for said arms.

You can support them all you like, but most of them believe we deserve death.

Frankie Lee

allabouteve wrote: »

Thats nice and all, but remember that if they had the arms, 95% of Palistinians believe that all non-Muslims should be anilhated as infidels, and that western countries would be the first port of call for said arms.

You can support them all you like, but most of them believe we deserve death.

Sources please?

The Mighty Ken

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Sources please?

Read this.

pipsqueak

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

I've never really understood this proportionate response argument. If I'm in a nightclub and I walk over to a guy twice my size and start poking him in the eyes and the turns around and hospitalises me... you know what? I asked for and deserve it!

I'm still interested in seeing a little proof of whether Hamas were provoked into firing 450 rockets into Israel. I was under the impression that they were doing it after Israeli troops had actually pulled out of The Strip, just to add insult to injury.

good point!

phenomenon

The Palestinians initiate conflict by targeting civilians and then the usual predictable entourage of hippys come out from their tree huts and criticise Israel for retaliating by bombing tunnels supplying Hamas with supplies??

Israel is 100% in the right here.

MagicMarker wrote: »

I'm sure those in the Israeli embassy will give a fúck that a bunch of Irish tossers have decided to congregate outside their front door.

Yes indeed, tossers being the main word.

The Mighty Ken

phenomenon wrote: »

Israel is 100% in the right here.

I don't think that Israel are. Particularly if they could have avoided innocent casualties during the operation - which wouldn't surprise me in the least, considering their past record. However, and correct me if I'm wrong here, Hamas fired hundreds of rockets into Israel before Israel did anything. Then Israel said 'enough is enough' and decided to attack. So, this being the case, is it not fair to assume that Hamas caused this whole mess? I'm almost certainly over-simplifying but blaming Israel because the response wasn't 'proportionate' is absolutely ferking ridiculous.

Eric Cartman

amjon wrote: »

Is there going to be a similar protest against Hamas/Palestinians for their indiscriminate use of missiles against the Israeli people?

no, the jews deserve it

pipsqueak

wonder who will be there? people before profit alliance, sinn fein, residents against racism etc etc am i leaving out any of the other freaks?

Eric Cartman

pipsqueak wrote: »

wonder who will be there? people before profit alliance, sinn fein, residents against racism etc etc am i leaving out any of the other freaks?

im sure the socialists and the anti fur fággots will make an appearance , they just enjoy moaning

Zebra3

In case people are wondering why rockets have been fired into Israel it's because Israel has put a blaockade on the Gaza Strip depriving innocent civilians of food and oil. People have been resorting to scavanging in rubbish dumps for food. All this started came about when Hamas won an election and Israel didn't like it. Democracy how are ya? :rolleyes:

One only has to look at the how the Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed out of their homeland since 1946 to make way for European and African jews to see how horrid their situation is. Why should they suffer cos the jews suffered at the hands of the Germans?

galwayrush

pipsqueak wrote: »

wonder who will be there? people before profit alliance, sinn fein, residents against racism etc etc am i leaving out any of the other freaks?

Freaks covers all the ones you've left out.
Now if ever there was a perfect place for the Israelis to drop a missile..............:D

pipsqueak

boyd barrett and his megaphone, few maverick green party fools and the usual rag bag of angry oaps. If they are so concerned about showing solidarity why dont these "brave concerned souls" get a flight to the mid east and pick up a placard and show solidarity there instead of safe Old conell st????

phenomenon

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

I don't think that Israel are. Particularly if they could have avoided innocent casualties during the operation

Its well known that Hamas deliberately set up their explosive-building hideouts near schools and hospitals so when Israel do target these sites, civilians will inevitably get hurt. This shows Hamas' blatant disregard for their own people. They probably wish for child casualties just so the western media can lap it up and splash a photo across the front page, finger wagging at the bad Isrealis - all the while the Palestinians are laughing at you infidels who support their terrorist campaign

c0rk3r

Shame we dont have a world police. If people cant cooperate they should be made to.

pipsqueak

c0rk3r wrote: »

Shame we dont have a world police. If people cant cooperate they should be made to.

We had the U.N shame it is only a good idea

Dudess

Grimes wrote: »

Im a bit confused and yes I know very little about this. So .... Hamas start firing hundreds of rockets into Israeli territory with 5% killing people and 95%damaging innocent fields. Israel retaliates by attacking tunnels which are used for importing arms and supporting. So we protest at the Israeli embassy?

Did you miss the part where over 300 Palestinians were killed by the Israelis?

Frankie Lee

Grimes wrote: »

Im a bit confused and yes I know very little about this. So .... Hamas start firing hundreds of rockets into Israeli territory with 5% hitting walls and 95%damaging innocent fields. Israel retaliates by the mass murder of innocent civilians. So we protest at the Israeli embassy?

fyp

Neamhshuntasach

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

Can you provide any evidence for this whatsoever? How do you know that the likes of Hamas or Hezbollah aren't just antagonising the Israelis unprovoked?

I've been to Palestine and Israel numerous times and i have friends in Palestine who i keep in contact with. They're mostly in Ramallah and Jenin. I have seen first hand what daily life is like for Palestinians. Water and electricity only for a few hours a day. Confusion as to when there is and isn't a curfew in effect. Being denied access to hospital treatment at checkpoints. EU Aid ships being sent back, food trucks being stopped, houses knocked down. Random beatings. Me and 2 friends once seen a kid being shot in the head for being out after curfew. It's all the daily things like the above that turn people into martyrs or drive them towards the likes of the Hamas. Some days they are a little lax on the above, then on other days it is worse. It just depends on the humor of the IDF soldiers. That is the daily antagonistic catalyst that causes missiles to be fired. I'm not saying that is always 100% the reason. But usually it is. The same thing happen here with the Brits.

Tigger

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

I've never really understood this proportionate response argument. If I'm in a nightclub and I walk over to a guy twice my size and start poking him in the eyes and the turns around and hospitalises me... you know what? I asked for and deserve it!

you did ask for it but he'll not get away with hospitalising you
the law will have little or no sympathy for him once he's shoved yopu away

Neamhshuntasach

allabouteve wrote: »

Thats nice and all, but remember that if they had the arms, 95% of Palistinians believe that all non-Muslims should be anilhated as infidels, and that western countries would be the first port of call for said arms.

You can support them all you like, but most of them believe we deserve death.

Well i've been to Palestine (and Israel) on 6 different occasions. Two of the trips being for a few months. And the only trouble and bigotry i ever experienced was at the hand of the Israelis. I was instantly a terrorist because i was Irish and was there to visit Palestinians and i was treated as unwelcome when they found out i wasn't Jewish. Not all Israelis are like that and are far from it. But they only trouble i had was from them. Once i respected the Muslim religion i never had any problems and were one of the most welcoming and friendly people i have come across. So don't always believe what you read.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Israel have called in reserves for a ground assault. Anyone think other Arab states might get involved if that happens?

biko

I just hope the Israelis don't use their nukes and start ww3.
It's a lovely country, I've been there months on end some years ago. However it was hard discussing politics with them, a lot are racist bigot bastards tbh.

Neamhshuntasach

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

I've never really understood this proportionate response argument. If I'm in a nightclub and I walk over to a guy twice my size and start poking him in the eyes and the turns around and hospitalises me... you know what? I asked for and deserve it!

I'm still interested in seeing a little proof of whether Hamas were provoked into firing 450 rockets into Israel. I was under the impression that they were doing it after Israeli troops had actually pulled out of The Strip, just to add insult to injury.

How can that be a fair comparison? If you add that you walked over to a guy twice your size and hit him because he had kicked you out of your house, bombed half of your family, controls your food, water and electricity supplies and imposes curfews on your daily life. Well then that might be a bit more accurate.

Israel did initially reduce operations in Gaza. But then in November Israel launched an operation to destroy tunnels in which 2 civilians were killed. There was a bit of rioting and the general protests which included rock throwing. 3 more Palestinians were killed in this. One of the a 8 year old kid. Hamas responded by firing rockets at an Israeli checkpoint. Israel responded with more incursions and then tightened the blockade. The Egyptian backed truce expired and there was more protests. Later that day Palestine launched rockets into Israel. Then Israel responded with what we all know what happened on Saturday.

The above is the story that was told to me by a friend in Palestine and was also backed by an Israeli friend i have. Granted my Israeli friend hates what Israel does to Palestine so call it unbalanced if you want.

Zebra3

Big anti-Israeli protests in London now on Fox News (Sky 509).