Baptists decide against pedophilia database

robindch · 22-12-2008 1:54am

PDN wrote: »

In that case maybe you should leave off the wine before posting?

It's been a long time since I've had altar wine, but I'll concede that it would help make your posts less tedious. :P

PDN wrote: »

Many of those sites are dealing with controversial issues where the agenda is largely set by one's critics.

Er, so by your logic, the British National Party discusses immigrants so much because the agenda is set by their critics too? Have you not noticed how effective a popularizer one can be by the simple policy of telling people what they want to hear?

Your work involves ensuring the propagation of a religion -- surely you must have some idea of how it all works?

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Fanny Cradock · 22-12-2008 2:00am

PDN wrote: »

Absolute nonsense.

Most Christians I know speak, indeed rant, against paedophilia in the strongest terms.

And, on these boards at least, it is atheists who seem obsessed with homosexuality. Most of the religious people's comments on the subject take the form of answering questions.

+ 1 as they say around these parts.

PDN · 22-12-2008 2:02am

robindch wrote: »

Your work involves ensuring the propagation of a religion -- surely you must have some idea of how it all works?

I understand very well - enough to teach Seminary classes on Evangelism and Church Growth. And, in propagating my religion, I rarely if ever mention homosexuality. In fact the only time I've preached on it in the last 12 months was in order to teach against homophobia - sorry not to conform to your stereotypes.

Fanny Cradock · 22-12-2008 2:10am

robindch wrote: »

www.answersingenesis.org (5+9+28 vs 348+243+30, or 33 vs 621), ratio = 15 to 1.
www.cbn.com (37+8+241 vs 2190+349+151, or 286 vs 2690), radio = 9.5 to one.
www.higherpraise.com (1+0+21 vs 118+39+3, or 22 vs 160), ratio = 8 to one
www.sbc.net (0+69+455 vs 653+2590+4, or 524 vs 3247), ratio = 6.2 to one
www.vatican.va (4+10+132 vs 56+94+3, or 146 vs 153), ratio = one to one (unusual result, low as well as equal)

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In fairness, Google returns 308,000,000 results for 'gay' as opposed to 2,110,000 for 'pedophile'. A ratio of 145:1.

PDN · 22-12-2008 2:13am

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

In fairness, Google returns 308,000,000 results for 'gay' as opposed to 2,110,000 for 'pedophile'. A ratio of 145:1.

So the general googling population is 20 times less likely than Christians to address the issue of paedophilia and more likely to obsess about homosexuality? That sounds about right.

robindch · 22-12-2008 2:25am

PDN wrote: »

I rarely if ever mention homosexuality.

Oh that it were never, but it's a start.

Still though, I suspect it'll be some time before your approach makes much of a dent in the seven-to-one preference for railing against gays instead of pedophiles.

robindch · 22-12-2008 2:32am

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

Google returns 308,000,000 results for 'gay' as opposed to 2,110,000 for 'pedophile'.

You'll recall that I limited the search to religious websites since I was backing up my assertion that "religious people discuss [...] gay sex maybe five to fifty times as much as they do pedophilia" (relevant text highlighted in bold).

Fanny Cradock · 22-12-2008 2:37am

As PDN correctly stated, the agenda is often set by critics and responded to by the faithful. Furthermore, that homosexuality is discussed at a higher ratio says nothing about the manner in which these references are framed. The blanket use of the term 'railing' seems inappropriate.

Galvasean · 22-12-2008 2:38am

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

In fairness, Google returns 308,000,000 results for 'gay' as opposed to 2,110,000 for 'pedophile'. A ratio of 145:1.

*Calls cops*

"Just WAIT 'til you see what this guy's been googling!"

PDN wrote: »

So the general googling population is 20 times less likely than Christians to address the issue of paedophilia and more likely to obsess about homosexuality? That sounds about right.

A blatant case of trying to contrive unrelated data to further your own side of an argument.

Fanny Cradock · 22-12-2008 2:46am

Galvasean wrote: »

*Calls cops*

"Just WAIT 'til you see what this guy's been googling!"

Yeah, lol. That was the 1st thought that entered my head.

Dades · 22-12-2008 11:13am

Just thinking about this one.

Would it be fair to say that pedophilia is less discussed on religious sites because there is no ambiguity as to it's morality? i.e. Everyone knows it is wrong.

Whereas religious proclaimers require airtime for the issue of homosexuality, as they are in a constant battle with the more 'liberal' sections of society to maintain the perception of it as a sin in the eyes of God.

Not sure where that point fits in with the last couple of pages.

Zombrex · 22-12-2008 12:21pm

Húrin wrote: »

But on the scale of all the injustice in the world, discrimination against homosexuals is a rather small part of that.

Possibly, but in the western world (were we are) discrimination and hostile attitude to homosexuality is one of the few remaining entrenched forms of bigotry. I can see very few examples of discrimination against a group that are more prevalent.

Zombrex · 22-12-2008 12:22pm

robindch wrote: »

Your work involves ensuring the propagation of a religion -- surely you must have some idea of how it all works?

Fanny Cradock · 22-12-2008 3:02pm

Dades wrote: »

Just thinking about this one.

Would it be fair to say that pedophilia is less discussed on religious sites because there is no ambiguity as to it's morality? i.e. Everyone knows it is wrong.

Whereas religious proclaimers require airtime for the issue of homosexuality, as they are in a constant battle with the more 'liberal' sections of society to maintain the perception of it as a sin in the eyes of God.

Not sure where that point fits in with the last couple of pages.

I would say that is a fair assessment. Also, mercifully, there are not nearly as as many paedophiles as homosexuals. Therefore one would naturally expect to see more traffic about the latter. (And before anybody cries out, I have in no way equated the two from a moral perspective.)

PDN · 22-12-2008 7:01pm

robindch wrote: »

Oh that it were never, but it's a start.

So you think I shouldn't have taught against homophobia?

PDN · 22-12-2008 7:06pm

Galvasean wrote: »

A blatant case of trying to contrive unrelated data to further your own side of an argument.

No it's not.

Robin has tried to construct a contrived argument based on references on Christian websites to gays outnumbering references to paedophiles by 6.8 to 1.

It is therefore entirely relevant to compare that to statistics from the general googling population that reveal a ratio of 200 to 1.

Think of it as a control group that exposes Robin's argument as devoid of merit.

Húrin · 22-12-2008 7:32pm

Wicknight wrote: »

Possibly, but in the western world (were we are) discrimination and hostile attitude to homosexuality is one of the few remaining entrenched forms of bigotry. I can see very few examples of discrimination against a group that are more prevalent.

I think discrimination against the homeless and immigrants is much more entrenched and much worse. I don't agree either that the effort to solve injustice should be limited to the western world, given that the perpetrators of injustice do not limit themselves to the west either.

Galvasean · 22-12-2008 11:34pm

PDN wrote: »

No it's not.

Robin has tried to construct a contrived argument based on references on Christian websites to gays outnumbering references to paedophiles by 6.8 to 1.

It is therefore entirely relevant to compare that to statistics from the general googling population that reveal a ratio of 200 to 1.

How? Robin's demograph was specifically Christian websites whereas Craddock's demograph was anyone and everyone.
Think about it, if you simply google 'gay' you will find everything from homosexual porn to gay nightclub ads. Searching a Christian website will (bar a very small number of exceptions) find articles damning homosexuality.

robindch · 23-12-2008 12:34am

PDN wrote: »

So you think I shouldn't have taught against homophobia?

Er, no. I was looking forward to the time when religious leaders simply don't need to lecture their flocks upon the demerits of homophobia.

PDN wrote: »

Robin has tried to construct a contrived argument based on references on Christian websites to gays outnumbering references to paedophiles by 6.8 to 1.

Contrived? Did you actually read what I wrote? I made a statement about the relative popularities of two topics that christians talk about -- one a clear moral evil, and one a reliable soapboxer. I checked my statement against what christians actually write, and found that my finger-in-the-air guess was completely accurate.

Other than your reaction to it, I can't immediately see what's "contrived" about my description of reality from the christian point of view.

pH · 23-12-2008 10:17am

robindch wrote: »

I made a statement about the relative popularities of two topics that christians talk about -- one a clear moral evil, and one a reliable soapboxer. I checked my statement against what christians actually write, and found that my finger-in-the-air guess was completely accurate.

If you were talking about the Pope specifically and not Christians in general I guess your ratio would have to be about a billion to 1.

Here we go again:

Pope Benedict XVI has said that saving humanity from homosexual or transsexual behaviour is just as important as saving the rainforest from destruction.

"The pope uses his traditional end-of-year speech to offer his Christmas greetings and say a few words about what he considers the important issues of the day."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7796663.stm

Galvasean · 23-12-2008 1:57pm

Saving the rain forest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Complaining about gay people

Baptists decide against pedophilia database

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