AH in the last few months

Kold

It's gotten awfully political hasn't it? Sign of the times but AH is for threads that don't belong anywhere else. Seeing as little more is said in these threads than "feckin disgrace" or "row row row fight tha powah" would it not be in everyone's best interest to send some of the traffic to the Politics fora?

1. These people actually learn about politics
2. We get our AH back
3. It can only be beneficial that more people spend more time posting properly as is required in Politics

Now I'm not saying an entire blitz of AH, it's pretty important to see the people's unrest so clearly but I think I just looked at the first 20 or so threads in there and 90% had some agenda about how the country is run.

Terry

Ok.

Chong

Kold wrote: »

It's gotten awfully political hasn't it? Sign of the times but AH is for threads that don't belong anywhere else. Seeing as little more is said in these threads than "feckin disgrace" or "row row row fight tha powah" would it not be in everyone's best interest to send some of the traffic to the Politics fora?

1. These people actually learn about politics
2. We get our AH back
3. It can only be beneficial that more people spend more time posting properly as is required in Politics

Now I'm not saying an entire blitz of AH, it's pretty important to see the people's unrest so clearly but I think I just looked at the first 20 or so threads in there and 90% had some agenda about how the country is run.

Seriously Kold your opening a dangerous can of worms by having a pop at AH.

Kold

Aint nothin' but some Feedback.

sceptre

Kold wrote: »

would it not be in everyone's best interest to send some of the traffic to the Politics fora?

Always an option. Any moved threads would be governed under Politics rules though. I suspect lots of early bannings:) but that might well die off.

People often tend to post those particular things in AH just wanting rant and banter and not expecting rational discussion of their points, which would happen in Politics (indeed, which would be an enforced necessity in Politics).

Économiste Monétaire

AH doesn't really come across as somewhere one would find conducive debate, only pub type debate; threads there tend to get very large, very quickly. I would hazard to say that some prefer it that way, simple throw away remarks, rather than looking at details and producing sensible inferences. You might want to try Politics, or Economics. There's sometimes quite a bit of overlap between the general (e.g. AH) and specialist, so to speak, forums--just different ways of approaching issues. Different strokes, different folks, and such.

RoundyMooney

Whats the harm?

No harm in discussing current affairs in a more relaxed environment surely?

Kold

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Whats the harm?

No harm in discussing current affairs in a more relaxed environment surely?

It's getting kind of boring in there.

RoundyMooney

Suppose the lads could move relevant threads to Pol or Humanities.

I have to be honest and say I don't see a problem myself though

One mans meat...

Karoma

Kold wrote: »

It's getting kind of boring in there.

So, is your complaint that AH is too political or that Politics is too boring?
AH facilitates threads on political matters and current affairs that are more rants than actual debates. i.e. Pub banter / waffle.
If there's an increase in these sorts of threads, then it's as you say: Sign of the times, etc. and a sign that the average boardsie is growing older (Maybe not wiser). I'd also point out that trends in AH tend to fade after a while. Maybe you could try to engage the AH'ers and maybe bring it up a notch?
Some threads are moved to Politics; very few, as Politics doesn't want them.

Kold

Karoma wrote: »

So, is your complaint that AH is too political or that Politics is too boring?

Well when I want to read about politics, I'll lurk in the Politics forum (I feel too intimidated to post there) so I guess it's just boring the sheer amount of political topics in AH. My complaint is that there's another place for it.

Earthhorse

AH is a beast of a forum. Find the threads you like and post in them. Everyone goes through phases of hating the place. If you're growing tired of it, mabye it's time to take a break.

Sangre

I agree, too many of the same topics appearing over and over. Maybe we could start a new 'rant' forum as a subset of AH. I enjoy the funny, random musing threads of AH where people can idly chat and propose random questions on life, love and bowel movements.

RoundyMooney

Kold wrote: »

Well when I want to read about politics, I'll lurk in the Politics forum (I feel too intimidated to post there) so I guess it's just boring the sheer amount of political topics in AH. My complaint is that there's another place for it.

There is, but many people are too intimidated to post there (or are like me, and find the place too stifling). One can call a spade a spade there, within reason.

At the end of the day, I think politics discussion on AH is a positive trend, and I welcome the generally subtle yet effective moderation employed there by Terry, Herr K, AC, and latterly, Bollocko.

oscarBravo

Kold wrote: »

I'll lurk in the Politics forum (I feel too intimidated to post there) ...

Oh? Why?

Overheal

Jesus if it isnt people complaining that theres too much mysoginy and crap 1-liners in After Hours its complaining about people trying to talk about something with a bit of sincerity.

Oh? Why?

You're scary.

Kold

oscarBravo wrote: »

Oh? Why?

I don't feel I know enough on the subject to post with confidence.

oscarBravo

Kold wrote: »

I don't feel I know enough on the subject to post with confidence.

Fair enough. If you've an interest though, you can spend some time lurking and get to know the scene: won't be long until you realise that all too many of the posters there don't know that much either...

Overheal wrote: »

You're scary.

Well, duh. I meant apart from that...

Overheal

Politics Forum is like the serious business forum. It feels as if you dont know what your talking about that you arent welcome in the discussion - most of the ongoing discussions by the regular posters assume a certain level of trivia that not everyone that wants to post in there is going to be up to par with. Like that whole refugee/asylum business - people seemed to be either asking or assuming which way the system worked and they got roasted it.

oscarBravo

Overheal wrote: »

Like that whole refugee/asylum business - people seemed to be either asking or assuming which way the system worked and they got roasted it.

Nope. People came in claiming as fact something that's simply not true in order to paint asylum seekers in a bad light. There's enough xenophobia in the forum without people inventing imaginary laws that they can claim asylum seekers have broken.

sceptre

^what OB said. The asylum issue is one that often generates heated discussion where people assume they can get away with saying that black is white (no pun intended) if it suits their case. It's our most popular issue for tireless and relentless keyboard hammerers. Plenty of room in the forum (or in the subforums) for people who know less (or think that other people know more, which isn't always the case) and just want a discussion.

AlmightyCushion

After Hours seems to go through these trends. At the moment it's about the government and about the economic situation. Next week we could be back to poo threads again. We could move them to politics but in most cases anything after the first post (and in some cases the first post too) wouldn't be suitable for politics. I'm happy to leave the threads there as it's a more low brow type of discussion to politics and it's not like it'll cause any harm.

After Hours is a busy place and the other threads should keep everyone not interested in these types of threads busy.

Overheal

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

After Hours seems to go through these trends. At the moment it's about the government and about the economic situation. Next week we could be back to poo threads again. We could move them to politics but in most cases anything after the first post (and in some cases the first post too) wouldn't be suitable for politics. I'm happy to leave the threads there as it's a more low brow type of discussion to politics and it's not like it'll cause any harm.

After Hours is a busy place and the other threads should keep everyone not interested in these types of threads busy.

AH needs its own Zodiac calendar.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Kold wrote: »

It's gotten awfully political hasn't it? Sign of the times but AH is for threads that don't belong anywhere else. Seeing as little more is said in these threads than "feckin disgrace" or "row row row fight tha powah" would it not be in everyone's best interest to send some of the traffic to the Politics fora?

1. These people actually learn about politics
2. We get our AH back
3. It can only be beneficial that more people spend more time posting properly as is required in Politics

Now I'm not saying an entire blitz of AH, it's pretty important to see the people's unrest so clearly but I think I just looked at the first 20 or so threads in there and 90% had some agenda about how the country is run.

No one cares. "feedback" isn't paid any attention really.

Kold

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

No one cares. "feedback" isn't paid any attention really.

And you've figured that in your 6 months here. Do you speak for everyone, yeah?

Karoma

Kold: Don't rise to it.

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

No one cares. "feedback" isn't paid any attention really.

You're wrong. I won't explain why, as you won't pay any attention really.

Steve

Kold, just do what I do, read the first few posts in a thread and if you don't like it then don't read it, there are plenty more where it came from. Life is too short to let stuff like this get to you.

The_Minister

oscarBravo wrote: »

Nope. People came in claiming as fact something that's simply not true in order to paint asylum seekers in a bad light. There's enough xenophobia in the forum without people inventing imaginary laws that they can claim asylum seekers have broken.

Can you post a link rebutting the assertion?

I must confess that I thought it was true. I even seem to recall reading a section of an international treaty that mentioned it.

Kold

SteveC wrote: »

Kold, just do what I do, read the first few posts in a thread and if you don't like it then don't read it, there are plenty more where it came from. Life is too short to let stuff like this get to you.

Haha I'm not on some kind of quest here. Just offering a point of view. It looks like I'm in the minority, fair enough.

jaffa20

Kold wrote: »

Aint nothin' but some Feedback.

Feedback forum that way

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AH isn't the place for feedback :pac::pac:

Steve

Kold wrote: »

Haha I'm not on some kind of quest here. Just offering a point of view. It looks like I'm in the minority, fair enough.

Fair enough.:)
I actually agree with what you are saying somewhat but I think AH accommodates a lot of topics and there is no need at all to restrict that.
It's just bar talk and a place for people to get stuff off their chest if they need a rant. Moving a rant thread to politics might get the OP banned but letting them vent a bit in AH will make them feel warm and fuzzy again and would probably better serve boards as a whole.

FlutterinBantam

Kold wrote: »

It's getting kind of boring in there.

Explain and discuss quoting relevant examples as to why AH should be tailored to YOUR specific requirements??

Kold

jaffa20 wrote: »

Feedback forum that way

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AH isn't the place for feedback :pac::pac:

Say whut?

jaffa20

Kold wrote: »

Say whut?

WHUT?

Kold

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Explain and discuss quoting relevant examples as to why AH should be tailored to YOUR specific requirements??

I should have screencapped it this morning. As for it being tailored, AH was designed with the intention of accomodating topics that don't fit in other fora, I'm passing comment on those that do have a better forum to be in. Stop trying to troll me man. You're not good enough.

Steve

jaffa20 wrote: »

WHUT?

STFU, adults are talking.

jaffa20

SteveC wrote: »

STFU, adults are talking.

Adult forum that way

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FlutterinBantam

I'll let others decide if I am good enough or not.

Either way it's irrelevant.

If AH doesn't suit you, then I suggest you avoid it and post in areas where you may perhaps feel your cerebral expertise is more appreciated.

Kold

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I'll let others decide if I am good enough or not.

Either way it's irrelevant.

If AH doesn't suit you, then I suggest you avoid it and post in areas where you may perhaps feel your cerebral expertise is more appreciated.

Yeah. OK. Nice one missing the point. You can't argue against nonsense with sense so I won't even try.

Steve

Don't mind the Flutt, he's constipated at the moment.

It's for a good cause though.

Bob the Builder

Whats the difference between the old AH and the new AH?
Just the political bits, is that it?

Overheal

jaffa20 wrote: »

WHUT?

It doesnt matter what your name is

faceman

Asking for no politics to be posted in AH is like asking to Sunday World not to publish political articles. Sometimes the SW is just a funnier read than the Times!

oscarBravo

The_Minister wrote: »

Can you post a link rebutting the assertion?

I must confess that I thought it was true. I even seem to recall reading a section of an international treaty that mentioned it.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055439489

If in doubt, read the Dublin Regulation itself.

Acacia

I would say that the political discussions in AH are the equivalent of the red-top newspapers- y'know, having a good rant without facts getting in the way! :pac: Whereas the politics forum is more like a broadsheet newspaper with actual debate.

In any case, I think it's good to have serious and less serious issues in AH. If the political discussions annoy you, you can start your own threads about light-hearted subjects.

Kold

Acacia wrote: »

I would say that the political discussions in AH are the equivalent of the red-top newspapers- y'know, having a good rant without facts getting in the way! :pac: Whereas the politics forum is more like a broadsheet newspaper with actual debate.

In any case, I think it's good to have serious and less serious issues in AH. If the political discussions annoy you, you can start your own threads about light-hearted subjects.

Heh, K. Gonna go start one now.

FlutterinBantam

How long were you watching those MTV programmes?:cool:

Zascar

I agree with OP. I've always thought that a "Current Events" forums should be created for discussion of events that are in the news or current in our society - but not recessarily "Political" so not suited to the seriousness of the Politics forum. Yes you may say just put it into the Humanities forum, but lets face it, its doesn't really do what it says on the tin...

I'd even settle for a rename and some better modding in Ah to move appropriate posts there.

Karoma

Zascar wrote: »

I agree with OP. I've always thought that a "Current Events" forums should be created for discussion of events that are in the news or current in our society - but not recessarily "Political" so not suited to the seriousness of the Politics forum. Yes you may say just put it into the Humanities forum, but lets face it, its doesn't really do what it says on the tin...

I'd even settle for a rename and some better modding in Ah to move appropriate posts there.

Better modding? We've explained our reasoning, if you've bothered to read any of the thread apart from the original post. How exactly are we failing?

embee

Yes, a "Terrible State of Chassis" forum would maybe stop all the politically toned threads in AH, but honest to God, they're about the only ones I read in AH.

I'm bored of peoples "hilarious" anecdotes

johnnyskeleton

Kold wrote: »

Seeing as little more is said in these threads than "feckin disgrace" or "row row row fight tha powah" would it not be in everyone's best interest to send some of the traffic to the Politics fora?

To be honest, "feckin disgrace" and "row row row fight tha powah" pretty much sums up 90% of AH (the other 10% being traveller bashing and telling people that their mother has failed).

Also, the boards.ie revolution was started by Terry in AH, so I'm guessing that more politics is a welcome change on the part of the moderators.

Karoma wrote: »

So, is your complaint that AH is too political or that Politics is too boring?

I think he's saying AH is too boring.

Karoma wrote: »

AH facilitates threads on political matters and current affairs that are more rants than actual debates. i.e. Pub banter / waffle.
If there's an increase in these sorts of threads, then it's as you say: Sign of the times, etc. and a sign that the average boardsie is growing older (Maybe not wiser).

I think it's because whereas before economics and politics were in the background, now joe boardsie is confronted on a daily basis by talk of recession, negative equity, hedge funds, public sector cuts and increases in the national debt. If nothing else, the political & economic threads in AH seem to me to be as much about "Aren't you sick of hearing about [insert topical event]" as they are about "Don't you like/dislike [insert topical event]".

Overheal wrote: »

Politics Forum is like the serious business forum. It feels as if you dont know what your talking about that you arent welcome in the discussion - most of the ongoing discussions by the regular posters assume a certain level of trivia that not everyone that wants to post in there is going to be up to par with. Like that whole refugee/asylum business - people seemed to be either asking or assuming which way the system worked and they got roasted it.

To be honest, I'm increasingly of the opinion that the Rec and Soc channels are like the yin and the yang of boards. I just don't understand half of the stuff in Rec (why does every forum have "regulars" who post in the bar/lounge/general thread and talk about how much they dislike the regulars of another fora) and when I post there other people don't seem to understand me. Similarly, Rec posters can find that their rants go down like a lead ballon when posted in a soc forum. Posters who usually post in Rec fora tend to get left field answers to their questions, but rarely have their posts picked apart and questioned. In Soc it's usually the reverse.

I guess that's just the way of it though Soc is for serious posts, Rec is for chat.