Did you know that it was 90 years ago.......

Nevyn

That women were first allowed to vote in this country ?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhsnaueyojcw/rss2/

90th anniversary of women’s first vote marked
10:09:14
Today marks the 90th anniversary of the day Irish women took to the polls for the first time.

Female senators and TDs both past and present were at the Dáil this week for celebrations held in to mark the occasion.

Women here were allowed to vote in the general election after winning the right to universal suffrage in 1918.

90 years ago today, Christmas shopping took a back seat as Irish women braved the electoral booths for the first time.

But their trip to the polls came with certain conditions - they had to be over thirty years of age and land owners, a restriction that wasn't lifted until ten years later in 1928.

This year is also the anniversary of the election of Ireland's first female member of parliament - Countess Markiewicz.

But since then, Irish women have been largely under represented in Irish politics.

Countess Markievicz was without a successor for 60 years, until the election of Maire Geoghegan Quinn in 1979.

Irish women have filled just under seven per cent of seats in the Dáil and Seanad since their first general election and Ireland is currently ranked 87th in the world for its female representation in Government.

There is a really nice display in the Collins barracks musem on this topic
was in there with my lil sis a while back. They have badges, fliers, posters and other historical documents about the campaign and the times.

The_Minister

Reported for cross-posting:D

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Unfortuantely, even the sensible were't enough to stop FF getting in.

Galvasean

Will there be jokes about 'yore granma' in this thread?

Run_to_da_hills

Next year may be the last time they will vote if Lisbon gets through. :eek:

jaffa20

Doesn't really make a difference, the governement only hold another referendum now if the result is not as they wish.

Red Hand

A thread started in both the Ladies Lounge and in Afterhours...one of the reasons behind it (other than the subject matter) perhaps being to show the difference in posting style, and thus a new thread will be started in the Ladies Lounge tomorrow so as to show the level of misogeny in AH and hostility shown towards the subject at hand?








Just idle conjecture. The above doesn't bare any resemblence to reality.:)

Parsley

...and look at the state we're in now.

The_Minister

On a serious note, it is weird to think that women weren't allowed to vote for so long. Some of the most intelligent and interesting (and no, I don't mean their boobs) people that I know are women. I've met some right prizes too, and there have been some who I really would like to take the vote back off (but there are men like that too), but by and large most of them deserve the vote, and equal pay (for equal work, and time spent working, none of that pregnancy leave counting as work experience ****e), and I think that we men did a great thing when we gave them the vote.:p

OK, not give, but you know what I mean. It was disgraceful, and I can't really figure out how it happened, or how iwent on for so long.

\o/ for giving women the vote, one of the better things that voting has done.

Xavi6

7 years ago today I went to see Ash play. Good times.

Nevyn

Two different communities, two different takes on the topic is all.
Certainly am not assume that a thread about this topic would not be welcome here or get a hostile reaction, strangly enough there threads in this forum I have enjoyed over the years.

The_Minister

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Unfortuantely, even the sensible were't enough to stop FF getting in.

Actually, traditionally, women by and large voted quite conservatively. One of the big reasons that giving women the vote was opposed in America was that they would all be in favour of prohibition. Which they were, and that lead to prohibition being introduced.

phenomenon

Stop trying to educate us. AH is the last remaining bastion on boards for idiots!

Nevyn

The_Minister wrote: »

and I think that we men did a great thing when we gave them the vote.:p

So do I, cheers lads

The_Minister wrote: »

\o/ for giving women the vote, one of the better things that voting has done.

Now if can only pull together and help Terry with his revolution.

Red Hand

Does anyone know when were the male working class (say, labouring class) were given the vote in Ireland? Just curious...

brianthebard

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

Does anyone know when were the male working class (say, labouring class) were given the vote in Ireland? Just curious...

Would've thought it was only with the establishment of the free state.

Nevyn

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

Does anyone know when were the male working class (say, labouring class) were given the vote in Ireland? Just curious...

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:HJyb8Q3seqAJ:www.vote.ie/index2.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26do_pdf%3D1%26id%3D17+mens%27+right+to+vote+ireland&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=ie&client=firefox-a

1884 - All Irish Men Get To Vote

This Irishman wanted to vote in the election of 1868. He believed that all Irish people had a right to have a say in what
was happening in their country but he could not vote because he did not own a house. Only the wealthy had a vote. In
1884 he was allowed to vote for the first time. However, this right was denied to his wife, his mother, sisters and
daughters because they were women.

The_Minister

Representation of the People Act 1918, was it not?
I know it was an English law, but I think it applied to us.

If you count times when you had to have property then any male householders (regardless of value, as long as it was in the city), could vote in 1867, and this was amended to help country folk in 1884. You could vote then as long as you payed £10 rent a year.

I think.

Property law fuzzy.

EDIT: Damn it Thaed, I wanted to be the smart one!

And your welcome by the way.

brianthebard

Thaedydal wrote: »

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:HJyb8Q3seqAJ:www.vote.ie/index2.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26do_pdf%3D1%26id%3D17+mens%27+right+to+vote+ireland&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=ie&client=firefox-a

Doesn't really apply to the working class that Jeremiah asked about though....(with respect).

The_Minister

brianthebard wrote: »

Doesn't really apply to the working class that Jeremiah asked about though....(with respect).

Yes it does. There were never any class restrictions, only property ones. She told you when those were removed which would have allowed the rest of the 'working class' to vote. They didn't all get to vote at once.

brianthebard

The_Minister wrote: »

Yes it does. There were never any class restrictions, only property ones. She told you when those were removed which would have allowed the rest of the 'working class' to vote. They didn't all get to vote at once.

property restrictions are class restrictions, you bourgeois swine! :P

The_Minister

brianthebard wrote: »

property restrictions are class restrictions, you bourgeois swine! :P

£10 rent and any standard of property ownership (regardless of value) meant that many people who were 'working class' got the vote.

So looking at the situation on a class basis doesn't really make too much sense.


EDIT: Just thought of something. Women got the vote on a piecemeal basis like we did (ones with property got it first). How come men don't celebrate it?

Nevyn

Good question

brianthebard

The_Minister wrote: »

£10 rent and any standard of property ownership (regardless of value) meant that many people who were 'working class' got the vote.

So looking at the situation on a class basis doesn't really make too much sense.


EDIT: Just thought of something. Women got the vote on a piecemeal basis like we did (ones with property got it first). How come men don't celebrate it?

Cause you are discounting class.

RoundTower

The_Minister wrote: »

How come men don't celebrate it?

Because they have too much common sense.

Red Hand

The_Minister wrote: »

Yes it does. There were never any class restrictions, only property ones. She told you when those were removed which would have allowed the rest of the 'working class' to vote. They didn't all get to vote at once.

Yeah, I was asking about the Labouring class, people who didn't have any land as such, and who had to work for farmers. I doubt that whatever scrap of land they rented would have been worth 10 pounds a year in rent at the end of the 19th centuary?

My great grandfather was a "labourer"-doubt he had any vote though...

brianthebard

Indeed, a good wage in that time was 100 pounds, can't imagine many labourers were on that.

The guy

Thaedydal wrote: »

That women were first allowed to vote in this country ?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhsnaueyojcw/rss2/



There is a really nice display in the Collins barracks musem on this topic
was in there with my lil sis a while back. They have badges, fliers, posters and other historical documents about the campaign and the times.

Wasn't Countess Markiewicz never in parliament because of Sinn Fein's Abstentionism.

Lockstep

The guy wrote: »

Wasn't Countess Markiewicz never in parliament because of Sinn Fein's Abstentionism.

Don't think she was in the UK, but was active in the Daíl itself.

Minister with Labour too I believe.

The_Minister

Minister of Labour.

She wasn't in Labour, she was in Sinn Fein and Fianna Fail.

Don't you be taking credit for dead people:p

whiskeyman

Thaedydal wrote: »

That women were first allowed to vote in this country ?

You mean they couldn't even vote for Atari Jaguar in a thread poll??

Harsh...

Terry

But their trip to the polls came with certain conditions - they had to be over thirty years of age and land owners, a restriction that wasn't lifted until ten years later in 1928.

So about six women got to vote then?

jill_valentine

On behalf of our team, I'd like to apologise for Mary Kenny.

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The_Minister

jill_valentine wrote: »

On behalf of our team, I'd like to apologise for Mary Kenny.

Tbh, it's Patricia McKenna you should really be sorry for.

Zulu

Thaedydal wrote: »

That women were first allowed to vote in this country ?

...and there's been a few recessions, 2 world wars, the current housing crisis, famines and genocides across africa, thousands wiped out in a nuclear assault on Japan.

Disgraceful I tells you.

jill_valentine

Yeah, teething problems alright. We reckon we've the hang of it now though.

Galvasean

Zulu wrote: »

...and there's been a few recessions, 2 world wars, the current housing crisis, famines and genocides across africa, thousands wiped out in a nuclear assault on Japan.

Disgraceful I tells you.

Ah yes, i seem to recall women coming out in droves to vote in favour of the 'Bomb Japan Bill 1945'.

Zulu

Galvasean wrote: »

Ah yes, i seem to recall women coming out in droves to vote in favour of the 'Bomb Japan Bill 1945'.

...:eek:

Fuckin bitches.
(I wasn't alive myself, but seeing as I've no reason to believe your lying...)

jill_valentine

It was promoted as a "Right to Life" bill. We were duped.

The_Minister

jill_valentine wrote: »

It was promoted as a "Right to Life" bill. We were duped.

I can't blame you.

No-one read the "except for Japanese people, cause they don't have souls" amendment before voting it through. Of course, they told everyone that that was the marshmallow kittens amendment.

jill_valentine

Well, we rang the advice helpline first, but they told us we'd all get breast cancer and schizophrenia if we voted No.

The_Minister

jill_valentine wrote: »

Well, we rang the advice helpline first, but they told us we'd all get breast cancer and schizophrenia if we voted No.

Ah, thats where you went wrong.

That's the Lisbon Treaty helpline.

jill_valentine

I'm pretty sure it's all the same helpline, and Run_To_Da_Hills is answering the phones.

The_Minister

jill_valentine wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it's all the same helpline, and Run_To_Da_Hills is answering the phones.

He's doing online videos too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwofL_gF0Wk

Earthhorse

The_Minister wrote: »

OK, not give, but you know what I mean. It was disgraceful, and I can't really figure out how it happened, or how iwent on for so long.

Well, if you just look at the history of women in the world it isn't that hard to figure out.

The_Minister wrote: »

\o/ for giving women the vote, one of the better things that voting has done.

Did we vote on giving them the vote? I wonder who voted to give us the vote then?

Zulu

Your comments intrigue me. Where can I sign up to your newsletter?

Nodin

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

A thread started in both the Ladies Lounge and in Afterhours...one of the reasons behind it (other than the subject matter) perhaps being to show the difference in posting style, and thus a new thread will be started in the Ladies Lounge tomorrow so as to show the level of misogeny in AH and hostility shown towards the subject at hand?

Nonsense, given the level of respect shown here for women who know their place.

jill_valentine

Mary Kenny wrote:

Nonsense, given the level of respect shown here for women who know their place.

I'm sorry, I wouldn't have said those things about you if I'd known you were here.

Nodin

jill_valentine wrote: »

I'm sorry, I wouldn't have said those things about you if I'd known you were here.

You're one of those bra waving pill poppers, I'd wager. Well young missy, don't come to me when you don't get the support you need.

Lockstep

The_Minister wrote: »

Minister of Labour.

She wasn't in Labour, she was in Sinn Fein and Fianna Fail.

Don't you be taking credit for dead people:p

Ha, actually that was a typo.
I know she was with Sinn Fein when she was minister.