This is a sensible thread

Orion

It is.

There will be no "Yore Ma", FAIL, ROFL (or derivitatives such as ROFLCOPTER), pwn/pwnage, *tard, ZOMFG, or other boring net neologisms on this thread, including, but not limited to the aforementioned or Lego.

That is all.

oztots

Does it count if you put it in a sentence?

I believe this thread will fail.

Bijoux

Lolocopter


yore MAAA!

The guy

So what can we talk about?

Biggins

Your just asking for it aren't you... lol

10...9..8..7..

Galvasean

Biggins wrote: »

Your just asking for it aren't you... lol

10...9..8..7..

6... 5... 4....

oztots

Galvasean wrote: »

6... 5... 4....

3...2...1...

dr.bollocko

Kaboom!!!!!!

dr.bollocko

Nah I was only messing. I wouldnt lock the thread forever.
Had to be done though.
I just wish I could see the look on all your faces.
Mad with power I am.

orestes

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Nah I was only messing. I wouldnt lock the thread forever.
Had to be done though.
I just wish I could see the look on all your faces.
Mad with power I am.

Aw, you ruined the funny

*takes back thanks*

Biggins

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Kaboom!!!!!!

Yore Ma just fail(ed) at defusing the bomb. She'd ROFL somewhere now in 'eaven!

TTFN...

dr.bollocko

Biggins wrote: »

Yore Ma just fail(ed) at defusing the bomb. She'd ROFL somewhere now in 'eaven!

TTFN...

Buddy no.
This is the sensible thread. You ruined it.

Orion

you ruined me bitching about the power mad mods on irc. But you've acted sensibly. That's what I expect from sensible mods.

randylonghorn

This is a sensible thread

Jebus, I thought for a minute there Mac's account had been hax0red! :pac:

Biggins

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Buddy no.
This is the sensible thread. You ruined it.

I was too slow...

Bijoux was there before me.

Nevyn

Macros42 wrote: »

It is.

Oh no it's not!

Orion

randylonghorn wrote: »

Jebus, I thought for a minute there Mac's account had been hax0red! :pac:

I don't understand. I'm sensible. Your lack of faith is disturbing.

Orion

Thaedydal wrote: »

Oh no it's not!

Oh yes it is!

themadchef

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Nah I was only messing. I wouldnt lock the thread forever.
Had to be done though.
I just wish I could see the look on all your faces.
Mad with power I am.

Come on be honest, still trying out the new buttons?:D

Was that the lock and release move? smooth..5 mins.

Respect de powwahh!

Donald-Duck

"LHC" redirects here. For other uses, see LHC (disambiguation).
Coordinates: 46°14′N 06°03′E
Large Hadron Collider
(LHC)

LHC experiments
ATLAS A Toroidal LHC Apparatus
CMS Compact Muon Solenoid
LHCb LHC-beauty
ALICE A Large Ion Collider Experiment
TOTEM Total Cross Section, Elastic Scattering and Diffraction Dissociation
LHCf LHC-forward
LHC preaccelerators
p and Pb Linear accelerators for protons (Linac 2) and Lead (Linac 3)
(not marked) Proton Synchrotron Booster
PS Proton Synchrotron
SPS Super Proton Synchrotron
The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is the world's largest and highest-energy particle accelerator, intended to collide opposing beams of protons or lead ions, each moving at approximately 99.999999% of the speed of light.[1]
The Large Hadron Collider was built by the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) with the intention of testing various predictions of high-energy physics, including the existence of the hypothesised Higgs boson[2] and of the large family of new particles predicted by supersymmetry.[3] 27 kilometres (17 mi) in circumference, it lies underneath the Franco-Swiss border between the Jura Mountains and the Alps near Geneva, Switzerland. It is funded by and built in collaboration with over 10,000 scientists and engineers from over 100 countries as well as hundreds of universities and laboratories.[4]
On 10 September 2008, the proton beams were successfully circulated in the main ring of the LHC for the first time.[5] On 19 September 2008, the operations were halted due to a serious fault between two superconducting bending magnets.[6] The LHC will not be operational again until summer 2009.[7][8][9]
The LHC was officially inaugurated on 21 October 2008, in the presence of political leaders, science ministers from CERN's 20 Member States, CERN officials, and members of the worldwide scientific community.[10]
Contents [hide]
1 Purpose
1.1 As an ion collider
2 Design
2.1 Detectors
3 Test timeline
3.1 Expected results
4 Proposed upgrade
5 Cost
6 Computing resources
7 Safety of particle collisions
8 Operational challenges
9 Construction accidents and delays
10 In popular culture
11 References
12 External links
[edit]Purpose



A simulated event in the CMS detector, featuring the appearance of the Higgs boson.


A Feynman diagram of one way the Higgs boson may be produced at the LHC. Here, two quarks each emit a W or Z boson, which combine to make a neutral Higgs.
It is theorized that the collider will produce the elusive Higgs boson, the last unobserved particle among those predicted by the Standard Model.[11][12] The verification of the existence of the Higgs boson would shed light on the mechanism of electroweak symmetry breaking, through which the particles of the Standard Model are thought to acquire their mass. In addition to the Higgs boson, new particles predicted by possible extensions of the Standard Model might be produced at the LHC. More generally, physicists hope that the LHC will enhance their ability to answer the following questions:[13]
Is the Higgs mechanism for generating elementary particle masses in the Standard Model indeed realised in nature?[14] If so, how many Higgs bosons are there, and what are their masses?
Are electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force just different manifestations of a single unified force, as predicted by various Grand Unification Theories?
Why is gravity so many orders of magnitude weaker than the other three fundamental forces? See also Hierarchy problem.
Is Supersymmetry realised in nature, implying that the known Standard Model particles have supersymmetric partners?
Will the more precise measurements of the masses and decays of the quarks continue to be mutually consistent within the Standard Model?
Why are there apparent violations of the symmetry between matter and antimatter? See also CP-violation.
What is the nature of dark matter and dark energy?
Are there extra dimensions,[15] as predicted by various models inspired by string theory, and can we detect them?
Of the possible discoveries the LHC might make, only the discovery of the Higgs particle is relatively uncontroversial, but even this is not considered a certainty. Stephen Hawking said in a BBC interview that "I think it will be much more exciting if we don't find the Higgs. That will show something is wrong, and we need to think again. I have a bet of one hundred dollars that we won't find the Higgs." In the same interview Hawking mentions the possibility of finding superpartners and adds that "whatever the LHC finds, or fails to find, the results will tell us a lot about the structure of the universe."[16]
[edit]As an ion collider
The LHC physics program is mainly based on proton–proton collisions. However, shorter running periods, typically one month per year, with heavy-ion collisions are included in the program. While lighter ions are considered as well, the baseline scheme deals with lead ions.[17] (see A Large Ion Collider Experiment). This will allow an advancement in the experimental program currently in progress at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC). The aim of the heavy-ion program is to provide a window on a state of matter known as Quark-gluon plasma, which characterized the early stage of the life of the Universe.
[edit]Design



Map of the Large Hadron Collider at CERN
The LHC is the world's largest and highest-energy particle accelerator.[18][19] The collider is contained in a circular tunnel, with a circumference of 27 kilometres (17 mi), at a depth ranging from 50 to 175 metres underground.
The 3.8 m wide concrete-lined tunnel, constructed between 1983 and 1988, was formerly used to house the Large Electron-Positron Collider.[20] It crosses the border between Switzerland and France at four points, with most of it in France. Surface buildings hold ancillary equipment such as compressors, ventilation equipment, control electronics and refrigeration plants.
The collider tunnel contains two adjacent parallel beam pipes that intersect at four points, each containing a proton beam, which travel in opposite directions around the ring. Some 1,232 dipole magnets keep the beams on their circular path, while an additional 392 quadrupole magnets are used to keep the beams focused, in order to maximize the chances of interaction between the particles in the four intersection points, where the two beams will cross. In total, over 1,600 superconducting magnets are installed, with most weighing over 27 tonnes. Approximately 96 tonnes of liquid helium is needed to keep the magnets at their operating temperature of 1.9 K, making the LHC the largest cryogenic facility in the world at liquid helium temperature.


Superconducting quadrupole electromagnets are used to direct the beams to four intersection points, where interactions between protons will take place.
Once or twice a day, as the protons are accelerated from 450 GeV to 7 TeV, the field of the superconducting dipole magnets will be increased from 0.54 to 8.3 tesla (T). The protons will each have an energy of 7 TeV, giving a total collision energy of 14 TeV (2.2 μJ). At this energy the protons have a Lorentz factor of about 7,500 and move at about 99.9999991% of the speed of light. It will take less than 90 microseconds (μs) for a proton to travel once around the main ring – a speed of about 11,000 revolutions per second. Rather than continuous beams, the protons will be bunched together, into 2,808 bunches, so that interactions between the two beams will take place at discrete intervals never shorter than 25 nanoseconds (ns) apart. However it will be operated with fewer bunches when it is first commissioned, giving it a bunch crossing interval of 75 ns.[21]
Prior to being injected into the main accelerator, the particles are prepared by a series of systems that successively increase their energy. The first system is the linear particle accelerator LINAC 2 generating 50 MeV protons, which feeds the Proton Synchrotron Booster (PSB). There the protons are accelerated to 1.4 GeV and injected into the Proton Synchrotron (PS), where they are accelerated to 26 GeV. Finally the Super Proton Synchrotron (SPS) is used to further increase their energy to 450 GeV before they are at last injected (over a period of 20 minutes) into the main ring. Here the proton bunches are accumulated, accelerated (over a period of 20 minutes) to their peak 7 TeV energy, and finally circulated for 10 to 24 hours while collisions occur at the four intersection points.[22]


CMS detector for LHC
The LHC will also be used to collide lead (Pb) heavy ions with a collision energy of 1,150 TeV. The Pb ions will be first accelerated by the linear accelerator LINAC 3, and the Low-Energy Injector Ring (LEIR) will be used as an ion storage and cooler unit. The ions then will be further accelerated by the PS and SPS before being injected into LHC ring, where they will reach an energy of 2.76 TeV per nucleon.
[edit]Detectors


The Large Hadron Collider's (LHC) CMS detectors being installed.
Six detectors have been constructed at the LHC, located underground in large caverns excavated at the LHC's intersection points. Two of them, the ATLAS experiment and the Compact Muon Solenoid (CMS), are large, general purpose particle detectors.[19] A Large Ion Collider Experiment (ALICE) and LHCb have more specific roles and the last two TOTEM and LHCf are very much smaller and are for very specialized research. The BBC's summary of the main detectors is:[23]
ATLAS – one of two so-called general purpose detectors. ATLAS will be used to look for signs of new physics, including the origins of mass and extra dimensions.
CMS – the other general purpose detector will, like ATLAS, hunt for the Higgs boson and look for clues to the nature of dark matter.
ALICE – will study a "liquid" form of matter called quark-gluon plasma that existed shortly after the Big Bang.
LHCb – equal amounts of matter and anti-matter were created in the Big Bang. LHCb will try to investigate what happened to the "missing" anti-matter.
[edit]Test timeline

The first beam was circulated through the collider on the morning of 10 September 2008.[24] CERN successfully fired the protons around the tunnel in stages, three kilometres at a time. The particles were fired in a clockwise direction into the accelerator and successfully steered around it at 10:28 local time.[25] The LHC successfully completed its first major test: after a series of trial runs, two white dots flashed on a computer screen showing the protons traveled the full length of the collider. It took less than one hour to guide the stream of particles around its inaugural circuit.[26] CERN next successfully sent a beam of protons in a counterclockwise direction, taking slightly longer at one and a half hours due to a problem with the cryogenics, with the full circuit being completed at 14:59.
On 19 September 2008, a quench occurred in about 100 bending magnets in sectors 3-4, causing loss of approximately six tonnes of liquid helium, which was vented into the tunnel, and a temperature rise of about 100 kelvins in some of the affected magnets. Vacuum conditions in the beam pipe were also lost.[27] Shortly after the incident CERN reported that the most likely cause of the problem was a faulty electrical connection between two magnets, and that - due to the time needed to warm up the affected sectors and then cool them back down to operating temperature - it would take at least two months to fix it.[28] On 16 October 2008 CERN released an analysis of the incident, confirming that it was indeed caused by a faulty electrical connection.[29] At most 29 magnets have been damaged in the incident and will have to be repaired or replaced during the winter shutdown. The 'electrical connection fault' was due to a fault which occured when the LHC was wired up, causing the magnets to overheat at -240 degrees kelvin.
In the original timeline of the LHC commissioning, the first "modest" high-energy collisions at a center-of-mass energy of 900 GeV were expected to take place before the end of September 2008, and the LHC was expected to be operating at 10 TeV by the time of the official inauguration on 21 October 2008.[30] However, due to the delay caused by the above-mentioned incident, the collider will not be operational again until summer 2009.[8][9]
[edit]Expected results
Once the supercollider is up and running, CERN scientists estimate that if the Standard Model is correct, a single Higgs boson may be produced every few hours. At this rate, it may take up to three years to collect enough data unambiguously to discover the Higgs boson. Similarly, it may take one year or more before sufficient results concerning supersymmetric particles have been gathered to draw meaningful conclusions.[18]
[edit]Proposed upgrade

Main article: Super Large Hadron Collider
After some years of running, any particle physics experiment typically begins to suffer from diminishing returns; each additional year of operation discovers less than the year before. The way around the diminishing returns is to upgrade the experiment, either in energy or in luminosity. A luminosity upgrade of the LHC, called the Super LHC, has been proposed,[31] to be made after ten years of LHC operation. The optimal path for the LHC luminosity upgrade includes an increase in the beam current (i.e., the number of protons in the beams) and the modification of the two high-luminosity interaction regions, ATLAS and CMS. To achieve these increases, the energy of the beams at the point that they are injected into the (Super) LHC should also be increased to 1 TeV. This will require an upgrade of the full pre-injector system, the needed changes in the Super Proton Synchrotron being the most expensive.
[edit]Cost

The total cost of the project is expected to be €3.2–6.4 billion.[19] The construction of LHC was approved in 1995 with a budget of 2.6 billion Swiss francs (€1.6 billion), with another 210 million francs (€140 million) towards the cost of the experiments. However, cost over-runs, estimated in a major review in 2001 at around 480 million francs (€300 million) for the accelerator, and 50 million francs (€30 million) for the experiments, along with a reduction in CERN's budget, pushed the completion date from 2005 to April 2007.[32] The superconducting magnets were responsible for 180 million francs (€120 million) of the cost increase. There were also engineering difficulties encountered while building the underground cavern for the Compact Muon Solenoid, in part due to faulty parts loaned to CERN by fellow laboratories Argonne National Laboratory, Fermilab, and KEK.[33]
[edit]Computing resources

The LHC Computing Grid is being constructed to handle the massive amounts of data produced by the Large Hadron Collider. It incorporates both private fiber optic cable links and existing high-speed portions of the public Internet, enabling data transfer from CERN to academic institutions around the world.
The Open Science Grid is used as the primary infrastructure in the United States, and also as part of an interoperable federation with the LHC Computing Grid.
The distributed computing project LHC@home was started to support the construction and calibration of the LHC. The project uses the BOINC platform, enabling anybody with an internet connection to use their computer idle time to simulate how particles will travel in the tunnel. With this information, the scientists will be able to determine how the magnets should be calibrated to gain the most stable "orbit" of the beams in the ring.
[edit]Safety of particle collisions

Main article: Safety of particle collisions at the Large Hadron Collider
The upcoming experiments at the Large Hadron Collider have sparked fears among the public that the LHC particle collisions might produce doomsday phenomena, involving the production of stable microscopic black holes or the creation of hypothetical particles called strangelets.[34] Two CERN-commissioned safety reviews have examined these concerns and concluded that the experiments at the LHC present no danger and that there is no reason for concern,[35][36][37] a conclusion expressly endorsed by the American Physical Society, the world's second largest organization of physicists.[38]
[edit]Operational challenges

The size of the LHC constitutes an exceptional engineering challenge with unique operational issues on account of the huge energy stored in the magnets and the beams.[22][39] While operating, the total energy stored in the magnets is 10 GJ (equivalent to one and a half barrels of oil or 2.4 tons of TNT) and the total energy carried by the two beams reaches 724 MJ (about a tenth of a barrel of oil, or half a lightning bolt).[40]
Loss of only one ten-millionth part (10−7) of the beam is sufficient to quench a superconducting magnet, while the beam dump must absorb 362 MJ, an energy equivalent to that of burning eight kilograms of oil, for each of the two beams. These immense energies are even more impressive considering how little matter is carrying it: under nominal operating conditions (2,808 bunches per beam, 1.15×1011 protons per bunch), the beam pipes contain 1.0×10-9 gram of hydrogen, which, in standard conditions for temperature and pressure, would fill the volume of one grain of fine sand.
On 10 August 2008, computer hackers defaced a website at CERN, criticizing their computer security. There was no access to the control network of the collider.[41][42]
[edit]Construction accidents and delays

On 25 October 2005, a technician was killed in the LHC tunnel when a crane load was accidentally dropped.[43]
On 27 March 2007 a cryogenic magnet support broke during a pressure test involving one of the LHC's inner triplet (focusing quadrupole) magnet assemblies, provided by Fermilab and KEK. No one was injured. Fermilab director Pier Oddone stated "In this case we are dumbfounded that we missed some very simple balance of forces". This fault had been present in the original design, and remained during four engineering reviews over the following years.[44] Analysis revealed that its design, made as thin as possible for better insulation, was not strong enough to withstand the forces generated during pressure testing. Details are available in a statement from Fermilab, with which CERN is in agreement.[45][46] Repairing the broken magnet and reinforcing the eight identical assemblies used by LHC delayed the startup date,[47] then planned for November 2007.
Wikinews has related news: CERN says repairs to LHC particle accelerator to cost US$21 million
Problems with a magnet quench on 19 September 2008 caused a leak of six tonnes of liquid helium, and delayed the operation for several months.[48] The LHC is expected to be restarted in summer 2009.[8][9] It is currently believed that a faulty electrical connection between two magnets ignited a spark, which compromised the liquid-helium cooling. Once the cooling layer was broken, the helium flooded the surrounding vacuum layer with sufficient force to break 10-ton magnets from their mountings. The explosion also contaminated the proton tubes with soot.[9][49]
[edit]In popular culture

Biggins

Donald-Duck wrote: »

"LHC" redirects here... ...In popular culture

YEA!!! What he said, so there! :P

Nevyn

Macros42 wrote: »

Oh yes it is!

Oh no it's not!

Diamond007

What do all the neogolisms stand for?

Orion

Thaedydal wrote: »

Oh no it's not!

Oh yes it is!

Don't make me take it to PI! That wouldn't be sensible.

dr.bollocko

themadchef wrote: »

Come on be honest, still trying out the new buttons?:D

Was that the lock and release move? smooth..5 mins.

Respect de powwahh!

I did say from the start I was power mad.
C'mon though.
There was a countdown.
Have you ever been involved in a situation where someone is counting down backwards from ten right before your eyes? That vague thought that everything is going to absolute hell if you don't do something? Somewhere in your arsenal you have the big red button that can stop everything and then it reaches one?
The tension. The sweat and pressure.
And you wouldn't press the big red button?
I just wish I had come up with a cool superhero line to top it all off with.
A sensible super hero line tho.

Biggins

I was gonna say there must be a full moon out tonight
...but there actually is!

Luna-tics United

Orion

Donald-Duck wrote: »

a lot of stuff

Now that's what I'm talking about. Donald Duck is no quack.

Nevyn

dr.bollocko wrote: »

I did say from the start I was power mad.
C'mon though.
There was a countdown.
Have you ever been involved in a situation where someone is counting down backwards from ten right before your eyes? That vague thought that everything is going to absolute hell if you don't do something? Somewhere in your arsenal you have the big red button that can stop everything and then it reaches one?
The tension. The sweat and pressure.
And you wouldn't press the big red button?
I just wish I had come up with a cool superhero line to top it all off with.
A sensible super hero line tho.

FAIL

Nevyn

Macros42 wrote: »

Oh yes it is!

Oh no it's not!!!

Macros42 wrote: »

Don't make me take it to PI! That wouldn't be sensible.

Not my fault you have become a grumpy old man who wants things to be sensible.

Orion

Private message for Thaedydal:

You just lost The Game

Nevyn

Macros42 wrote: »

Private message for Thaedydal:

You just lost The Game

Oh NO I haven't.

Orion

Biggins wrote: »

I was gonna say there must be a full moon out tonight
...but there actually is!

Luna-tics United

The full moon was yesterday. Today it's waning gibbous. Please be sensible.

Orion

Thaedydal wrote: »

Oh NO I haven't.

Oh yes you have!

http://www.losethegame.com/ - Rule 2

And you're now cheating too - you haven't announced it according to Rule 3.

Biggins

!thginot ereh enas eno ylno eht I mA

dr.bollocko

Macros42 wrote: »

The full moon was yesterday. Today it's waning gibbous. Please be sensible.

You know it's funny that you should mention that.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/7779294.stm
Must bring the worst out in us. It's important to stay sensible at a time like this.

Donald-Duck

Macros42 wrote: »

Oh yes it is!

Don't make me take it to PI! That wouldn't be sensible.

You could say theres not much sensible about PI

Orion

dr.bollocko wrote: »

You know it's funny that you should mention that.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/7779294.stm
Must bring the worst out in us. It's important to stay sensible at a time like this.

The Sensible BBC wrote:

Friday's full moon

. It is now Saturday.

Biggins

Macros42 wrote: »

. It is now Saturday.

Naa. Depends where your posting from!

I might be elsewhere in the time zone naa naa :P

Orion

Biggins wrote: »

Naa. Depends where your posting from!

I might be elsewhere in the time zone naa naa :P

If you're somewhere else in the time zone then it's still Saturday at 1:05am. If you happened to be in a different timezone then your "naa naa" would be sensible.

Biggins

Macros42 wrote: »

If you're somewhere else in the time zone then it's still Saturday at 1:05am. If you happened to be in a different timezone then your "naa naa" would be sensible.

LOL I'm just in a place called "confused" at the mo!

- Cool signature by the way - nice "bumpers"

Nevyn

Macros42 wrote: »

Oh yes you have!

http://www.losethegame.com/ - Rule 2

And you're now cheating too - you haven't announced it according to Rule 3.

Oh no I'm not.
Oh your playing that crappy game pfff, I have never played that game.
I prefer ones with forfeits.

Orion

Nobody plays the game. There is no game. And you just lost it ... again!

Orion

Biggins wrote: »

- Cool signature by the way - nice "bumpers"

All my own work ... well I added the Santa part anyway

Nevyn

Macros42 wrote: »

Nobody plays the game. There is no game. And you just lost it ... again!

Well of course you would said that your an athiest, you have so tried to take yourself of the playing field but na na na na it doesn't work that way.

Orion

Thaedydal wrote: »

Well of course you would said that your an athiest, you have so tried to take yourself of the playing field but na na na na it doesn't work that way.

Wow. Off to Spell Czechs with that post for deciphering

Nevyn

uh huh the most witty comback you have is to slag my sexlexia , charming

On the Ning Nang Nong

On the Ning Nang Nong
Where the Cows go Bong!
and the monkeys all say BOO!
There's a Nong Nang Ning
Where the trees go Ping!
And the tea pots jibber jabber joo.
On the Nong Ning Nang
All the mice go Clang
And you just can't catch 'em when they do!
So its Ning Nang Nong
Cows go Bong!
Nong Nang Ning
Trees go ping
Nong Ning Nang
The mice go Clang
What a noisy place to belong
is the Ning Nang Ning Nang Nong!!

Spike Milligan

Orion

Are you offering to Ning Nang my Nong? Ooooh Betsy!

Nevyn

Macros42 wrote: »

Are you offering to Ning Nang my Nong? Ooooh Betsy!

Keep it for your wife :P

Orion

The day I marry I will

Nevyn

Macros42 wrote: »

The day I marry I will

Is that a proposal ?
and an indecent one at that.

Orion

would you accept any other type?