Death Penalty Poll

mountainyman

Does Ireland need the death penalty:

Jonathan

Where's the poll?

G&T

No,

next........

Zangetsu

Who is anyone to decide weather or not to take a life... Honestly, its ridiculous...

Gavin "shels"

Nope. I say let the c**ts rot.

Irlbo

I believe in torture,death is a blessing to the scum we have walking around our streets

Wagon

Didn't you already post a thread like this today?

Mark200

No I'd be completely against it

How can a Government say that killing is wrong and then kill murderers? It'd be the height of hypocrisy.

omgiluvxmas

too lenient and solves nothing.

Holsten

100% Yes.

Some people just simply need to die.

Mhmm...weetabix

Gavin shels wrote: »

Nope. I say let the c**ts rot.

The problem is they dont rot and its at our expense.
Dig a big hole, throw the ****ers in and let them fight till the last man is standing. Reality TV at it's best

mountainyman

Wagon wrote: »

Didn't you already post a thread like this today?

yeah but you can't edit an exisiting post to have a poll.

Zaph

Yes but we must be very careful not to kill any innocent people

Judge: Are you innocent?
Accused: Yep
Judge: Fair enough, we'll just chuck you in jail and won't hang you then

That can't be enforced so it's ridiculous to have it on the poll. From Amnesty International USA's website:

Since 1973, 130 people have been released from death rows throughout the country due to evidence of their wrongful convictions. In 2003 alone, 10 wrongfully convicted defendants were released from death row.

Wagon

mountainyman wrote: »

yeah but you can't edit an exisiting post to have a poll.

Fair enough so. I say yes, but it must have a stable legal system behind it. Or just an effective legal system on it's own would be fine.

ordinary_story

no - but I'm all for capital punishment and hard labour, bring back the stocks

cornbb

"Yes but we must be very careful not to kill any innocent people"

This makes no sense. Are you implying that the justice system does not already take care against convicting innocent people? Or does "we" refer to mobs with pitchforks? How do you suggest we be extra-super-duper careful not to hang people? And are you implying that its not really important to be careful if we are merely jailing people for decades and not actually hanging them?

Edit: Zaph got there before me.

sdanseo

No, never.

Bring in as a substitute lifelong solitary confinement with no communication outside of the prison for gang leaders etc who could order people to be shot and the like, as well as those who are/were in charge of drug dealing of any kind.

mountainyman

It is better that 10 guilty men go free than that one innocent man be hanged.
It is better that 1000 guilty men go free than that one innocent mane be hanged.

Spot the diff?

Terry

Yes, but only if those who kill the killers are then killed themselves by others who are then also killed by others who will also be hanged and so on.

Zaph

ordinary_story wrote: »

no - but I'm all for capital punishment and hard labour, bring back the stocks

So you're against the death penalty but in favour of capital punishment, is that right?

gerrycollins

Zaph wrote: »

Judge: Are you innocent?
Accused: Yep
Judge: Fair enough, we'll just chuck you in jail and won't hang you then

That can't be enforced so it's ridiculous to have it on the poll. From Amnesty International USA's website:

how many wrongful convictions have there been in Ireland in the last 10 years where thoes convicted would have been given the death penalty?

anyone? just curious

MagicMarker

mountainyman wrote: »

It is better that 10 guilty men go free than that one innocent man be hanged.
It is better that 1000 guilty men go free than that one innocent mane be hanged.

Spot the diff?

Jack Bauer, is that you?

Zaph

gerrycollins wrote: »

how many wrongful convictions have there been in Ireland in the last 10 years where thoes convicted would have been given the death penalty?

anyone? just curious

What difference does that make? As they say on those pension fund ads, past performance is not an indicator of future performance. Even if every conviction was spot on, it doesn't mean that some won't be wrong in the future.

hullaballoo

Gavin shels wrote: »

Nope. I say let the c**ts rot.

Irlbo wrote: »

I believe in torture,death is a blessing to the scum we have walking around our streets

omgiluvxmas wrote: »

too lenient and solves nothing.

Holsten wrote: »

100% Yes.

Some people just simply need to die.

Mhmm...weetabix wrote: »

The problem is they dont rot and its at our expense.
Dig a big hole, throw the ****ers in and let them fight till the last man is standing. Reality TV at it's best

ordinary_story wrote: »

no - but I'm all for capital punishment and hard labour, bring back the stocks

...Caligula would have blushed.

I have one word: proportion.

gerrycollins

Zaph wrote: »

What difference does that make? As they say on those pension fund ads, past performance is not an indicator of future performance. Even if every conviction was spot on, it doesn't mean that some won't be wrong in the future.

good one ha, thats true but the whole point of the AI is that, ok so a few guys were convicted wrongly and freeded before meeting their maker thats not to say that future convicted persons will end up the same.

Personally Im against the death penalty but am for proper prisions,proper periods of detention and chain gangs etc punish them basically

kleefarr

"This poll will close on 11-12-2008 at 17:02"

Can that be edited? Needs to be longer I think.

Zaph

gerrycollins wrote: »

Personally Im against the death penalty but am for proper prisions,proper periods of detention and chain gangs etc punish them basically

This I have no problem with. If someone commits murder they should spend the rest of their nights behind bars and their days doing something useful for society. And should someone be wrongfully convicted, at least they'll still be alive to set free.

Terry

kleefarr wrote: »

"This poll will close on 11-12-2008 at 17:02"

Can that be edited? Needs to be longer I think.

Possibly.

galwayrush

Not killing scumbags is clearly failing society.:rolleyes:

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Can't we just deport the really really really really really really really really really bastardly criminals and send them to somewhere without a sewage system or electricity?
That'd teach them.
And for each bad guy we send to one of those places, we bring an innocent person back and spend the same amount of money on that person that it would've taken to keep mr. villain in prison for a lifetime - that way we'd be helping, but in a more productive way than Bono.

galwayrush

CaptainNegative wrote: »

Can't we just deport the really really really really really really really really really bastardly criminals and send them to somewhere without a sewage system or electricity?
That'd teach them.
.

Even if Roscommon exists,would that be fair on the people who might live there already?:p

kleefarr

Terry wrote: »

Possibly.

By a Mod or by the OP? (I know it can be done via the "edit" button. )

Mark200

Mhmm...weetabix wrote: »

The problem is they dont rot and its at our expense.
Dig a big hole, throw the ****ers in and let them fight till the last man is standing. Reality TV at it's best

Don't you realise the cost of an execution? Don't forget the numerous legal battles that will be brought against the government for every single time they try to execute someone. It's not as simple or as cheap as sticking a syringe into someone, wait for them to drop dead, and through them into a hole in the ground

Hard Larry

Didn't we vote on this a few years back? everyone decided to get rid of it in a referendum in the days before our teenagers had firearms.

TBH a cull is needed not a death penalty.

gerrycollins

Zaph wrote: »

This I have no problem with. If someone commits murder they should spend the rest of their nights behind bars and their days doing something useful for society. And should someone be wrongfully convicted, at least they'll still be alive to set free.

oh agree fully, what would be constructive for them to do? replace lab rats? be used as human gunnie pigs for the cosmetic industry keep PETA happy I jest of course.

The only issue I have is the do gooders who come along and fight for their rights. The minute you broke the law you gave up your rights as a citizen in my opnion.

kleefarr

Mark200 wrote: »

Don't you realise the cost of an execution? Don't forget the numerous legal battles that will be brought against the government for every single time they try to execute someone. It's not as simple or as cheap as sticking a syringe into someone, wait for them to drop dead, and through them into a hole in the ground

However much it costs, it's better than letting the barstewards commit a murder again and destroy somebody elses family. In cases where it has been proved beyond all doubt, there should be no come back and no added expense. End of story.

gerrycollins

Hard Larry wrote: »

Didn't we vote on this a few years back? everyone decided to get rid of it in a referendum in the days before our teenagers had firearms.

TBH a cull is needed not a death penalty.

that vote was to remove from the constitution the punishment, of the crime, of the murder of a garda by was of hanging. and it was the only hangable offence

Mark200

kleefarr wrote: »

However much it costs, it's better than letting the barstewards commit a murder again and destroy somebody elses family. In cases where it has been proved beyond all doubt, there should be no come back and no added expense. End of story.

So why can't you just lock them up with the other murderers?

Mark200

gerrycollins wrote: »

The only issue I have is the do gooders who come along and fight for their rights. The minute you broke the law you gave up your rights as a citizen in my opnion.

So those who have one of those dogey boxes or have ever copied a Cd / Dvd shouldn't have the any rights as a citizen?

Robbo

Hard Larry wrote: »

Didn't we vote on this a few years back? everyone decided to get rid of it in a referendum in the days before our teenagers had firearms.

TBH a cull is needed not a death penalty.

It was formally taken out of the constitution in 2002.

gerrycollins wrote: »

how many wrongful convictions have there been in Ireland in the last 10 years where thoes convicted would have been given the death penalty?

anyone? just curious

Zero. Although it is worth noting that the death penalty has been off the statute books since 1990.

Fizman

I think we should take a leaf out of the Middle Easts book.

Public stoning FTW.

Zaph

Fizman wrote: »

I think we should take a leaf out of the Middle Easts book.

Public stoning FTW.

Stoning is usually only reserved as a punishment for adultery and prostitution, and is almost exclusively applied to women. Surely you're not suggesting that Coppers gets raided every Saturday night and every slapper there is publicly stoned?

ChocolateSauce

How creepily disturbing that only one-quarter of people think it is immoral....

A person may deserve to die, but no one has the right to kill.

marcsignal

Zaph wrote: »

Stoning is usually only reserved as a punishment for adultery and prostitution, and is almost exclusively applied to women. Surely you're not suggesting that Coppers gets raided every Saturday night and every slapper there is publicly stoned?

unworkable, the coppers are more likely to be already getting stoned with the slappers in coppers...

KnifeWRENCH

I was torn between the two "No" options but I eventually went with "ineffective" rather than "immoral".

Execute someone, and their punishment ends after their death. I say leave murderers/rapists/hardened criminals locked up for life in solitary confinement. It's not our right to kill them and they shouldn't be allowed have a quick, state-inflicted death.

Ziggurat

ChocolateSauce wrote: »

How creepily disturbing that only one-quarter of people think it is immoral....

A person may deserve to die, but no one has the right to kill.

Careful now, with that kind of talk you're liable to be labelled a "do gooder" and have the psychotic masses of AH descend upon you for ever thinking of treating your fellow man with an ounce of humanity.

It's sad that we now live in an age where arguments championing even the rights of criminals is frowned upon. I know I've used it before but this quote by Thomas Paine illustrates, in part, why I feel the way I do:

An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.

Apart from this, killing the criminal does not undo the crime. Nor does it bring back the person they murdered, if that was their crime.
It's only purpose is to give a visceral and sickening glee to those connected to the victim.

gerrycollins

Mark200 wrote: »

So those who have one of those dogey boxes or have ever copied a Cd / Dvd shouldn't have the any rights as a citizen?

thats my opnion

Highsider

Yes.

Muff_Daddy

If our justice system could guarentee 100% that all convictions were correct, and there was no way somebody could be wrongfully convicted, then yes I would absolutely bring back the death penalty for the worst of the worst criminals. Since that is impossible, I'd have to vote no. One innocent person put to death is one too many.

Wacker

Holsten wrote: »

100% Yes.

Some people just simply need to die.

They will eventually. What's the rush?

georgem25

No