Car Clampers

stealthyspeeder

My friend has just been clamped by those busy boys of NCPS. He cant afford the 120 Euro removal fee (pay day is friday!). He's going to take the clamp off himself (its on private land so he is in a legal grey area as he is not damaging state property). Now aside from the right and wrongs of this issue which no doubt some people will want to talk about, I was wondering if anybody knew what the best way to take the clamp off would be? the clamp has been put on so that the chain loops between the wheel axel and the wishbone so its not a matter of deflating the tyres and driving slowly out of it. This chain, lock or clamp has to be broken!

Now best way to do this? small angle grinder? massive bolt cutter? hacksaw? any other tricks?

ARGINITE

small angle grinder

Robbo

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

My friend has just been clamped by those busy boys of NCPS. He cant afford the 120 Euro removal fee (pay day is friday!). He's going to take the clamp off himself (its on private land so he is in a legal grey area as he is not damaging state property).

No grey area about it, I'm afraid, it's Criminal Damage.

Gone Drinking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hciSjI3RDCE

stealthyspeeder

The bolt is about a cm thick. it might (probably is) made of hardened steel, would the angel grinder be best used on the lock? or the chain or even the softer metal of the triangular clamp itself?

stealthyspeeder

Robbo wrote: »

No grey area about it, I'm afraid, it's Criminal Damage.

I dont see how it could be criminal damage if it is on private land, it would be legal decided on case law. If I came to your house and put a device over your door that stopped you from opening your houses front door and you cut this device off, there is not a judge or jury in the land that would covict you of criminal damage. Therefore the law is dependeant on the previous cases and the result of your case (should you be prosecuted for criminal damage) thus making it a bit of a grey area!

dioltas

there was a fairly long thread about the legality of this a while back, but thats beside the point.

If you have a small angle grinder i'd imagine that would be your best bet. Otherwise a big bolt cutters.
I'd try and go for the lock. I've never donr it before though so I'm not sure.

Eoin

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

I dont see how it could be criminal damage if it is on private land, it would be legal decided on case law. If I came to your house and put a device over your door that stopped you from opening your houses front door and you cut this device off, there is not a judge or jury in the land that would covict you of criminal damage. Therefore the law is dependeant on the previous cases and the result of your case (should you be prosecuted for criminal damage) thus making it a bit of a grey area!

Was your friend parked on his own private land when he was clamped, or in someone else's land?

Were there any signs posted to inform people of the parking restrictions and penalties?

SV

Unless you're parked on your own land then yes it's criminal damage and yes you will be prosecuted for it.

Mr. Incognito

I think he means the clamp was applied on private land- i.e landowner clamping illegally parked vehicles.

hacksaw for chain perhaps?

Jack Bauer999

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

I dont see how it could be criminal damage if it is on private land, it would be legal decided on case law. If I came to your house and put a device over your door that stopped you from opening your houses front door and you cut this device off, there is not a judge or jury in the land that would covict you of criminal damage. Therefore the law is dependeant on the previous cases and the result of your case (should you be prosecuted for criminal damage) thus making it a bit of a grey area!

clampers are legally authorised to put their property over your wheel.

seeing as you have not mentioned the person was clamped illegally/unfairly
then i presume you are not disputing the clamping.

if you damage that clampers property then that is criminal damage and its not
as if they cant track you down.

Surly he can rustle up the money from somewhere, even borrow it from a friend until Friday.

stealthyspeeder

eoin wrote: »

Was your friend parked on his own private land when he was clamped, or in someone else's land?

Were there any signs posted to inform people of the parking restrictions and penalties?

He was parked on someone elses private land, there were signs up informing both himself and myself that calmping was in operation if the rules were contravened, neither of us broke the regulations posted on the signs, he was clamped, I was not. he is raging!

I know there has been discussions about the legality of this before but regardless off this, the clamp has to come off. 120 Euro isnt an option. Has anybody dispatched one of these triagular wheel clamps before?

Berty

Gone Drinking wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hciSjI3RDCE

I laughed at the end when all he could muster was a "*****rs".

OldmanMondeo

Not that I would advise you to actually do this, but. I would say the easiest would be to cut the lock with a bolt cutters, unless he has a cordless angle grinder. Snip the lock, the chain will probably keep moving making a quick and quite snip arkward.

stealthyspeeder

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Not that I would advise you to actually do this, but. I would say the easiest would be to cut the lock with a bolt cutters, unless he has a cordless angle grinder. Snip the lock, the chain will probably keep moving making a quick and quite snip arkward.

Were thinking small electric angle grinder ( 630 volt motor fromm woodies) powered by car (adapter for mains from halfords) total cost 50-70 euro.

What size of bolt cutter would be needed to cut off the beast of the paddlock (1cm diameter shaft), where would sell them and how much are they?

Berty

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

What size of bolt cutter would be needed to cut off the beast of the paddlock (1cm diameter shaft), where would sell them and how much are they?

I think it would be against the forum charter to suggest how to cause criminal damage. Im sure of it.

OldmanMondeo

Never tried it before myself, but you will probably need a large bolt cutters, it will make the job quicker. At the end of the day you want the clamp off before anyone tried to stop you. You will probably get the bolt cutter in Woodies. Angle Grinder would be noisey and may take a few minutes.

Now back to my master criminal plans to take over the world.....

Drummerboy08

I was parked outside my girlfriends house in an estate in Clonskeagh a few months ago. She had her own space for a car in the house, but she didnt drive at the time. I always parked in it, with no problem. Got up early one morning, i had an important meeting that morning, got up, put the suit on, went out to the car to find a nice bright yellow clamp on it. Sticker said my vehicle wasnt authorised to park in that space. "I think you'll find it is sir, my girlfriend lives here, this is her space!!!" I had no choice but to pay it because i was in a rush, but -

TELL YOUR FRIEND I'LL HELP HIM CUT IT OFF

These boyo's dont really car - that could have been my girlfriends car in HER spot, she still would have had to fork out the money and then appeal it. I wouldnt have a second thought of cutting it off in his situation.

stealthyspeeder

Berty wrote: »

I think it would be against the forum charter to suggest how to cause criminal damage. Im sure of it.

My friend is no criminal, he is a car enthusiast, his car is his pride and joy (like myself and probably a lot of other people on this forum), not only does he love his car he also needs it to get around! Now he was wrongly clamped by a company who make money out of people by clamping them and demanding a ransom to remove it! He wasnt even breaking their own regulations posted on their sign. This is not criminal damage, this is fair. I dont think it would be against the spirit of this forum to try and help simaliarly minded people who find themselves in harsh circumstances! so if you have a trick up your sleeve Berty, please do share!

draycottgirlz

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

Were thinking small electric angle grinder ( 630 volt motor fromm woodies) powered by car (adapter for mains from halfords) total cost 50-70 euro.

What size of bolt cutter would be needed to cut off the beast of the paddlock (1cm diameter shaft), where would sell them and how much are they?

that would mean spending almost half the fine to remove it illegally...?

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

My friend is no criminal, he is a car enthusiast, his car is his pride and joy (like myself and probably a lot of other people on this forum), not only does he love his car he also needs it to get around! Now he was wrongly clamped by a company who make money out of people by clamping them and demanding a ransom to remove it! He wasnt even breaking their own regulations posted on their sign. This is not criminal damage, this is fair. I dont think it would be against the spirit of this forum to try and help simaliarly minded people who find themselves in harsh circumstances! so if you have a trick up your sleeve Berty, please do share!

One British man became so annoyed at having his car clamped, that he removed the clamp with an angle grinder. He is now a self-styled superhero called Angle-Grinder Man, offering to remove clamps for free with his angle grinder. [1] This says nothing of any subsequent unlawful removal fees his practice may have resulted in.
Other motorists have taken the action of cutting the clamps off with bolt cutters

He has plenty of experience and he uses an angle grinder....

Interesting to know:

In Scotland, wheel-clamping on private land is illegal. It was banned by the case of Black v Carmichael 1992 SCCR 709, when wheel-clamping was found to constitute extortion and theft.
In England and Wales, wheel-clampers operating on private land must be individually licensed by the Security Industry Authority. Operating in such circumstances without a valid license, or in breach of its conditions (which include displaying ID at all times), is a criminal offence under the Private Security Industry Act, 2001.

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=hciSjI3RDCE

I personally think clamping the clampers is the best!!!!
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=xZeSzPdilvQ

draycottgirlz

Description of the clamp? They are various types...

Quint

Here's what I would do:
An angle grinder will cut through anything. You can rent one from somewhere like Swan Plant, HSS, JW Hire or any tool hire place. I'll go through any part of the clamp like a hot knife through butter. But an old towel or something around the wheel arch so the sparks won't damage the paint work.
Not sure what bits you need to cut, or how clamps are put on, but a grinder will be hard to cut the slack part of a chain. Not sure if you need to cut those bits though, but if you do get your mate to wear a workmans glove or something and hold the bit of chain with a vicegrips.

stealthyspeeder

I know its nearly half the money to do it illegally/rightously, but it would also mean he would never have to worry about getting clamped again if he had the equipment to deal with it! (and im sure he could help me out if I got clamped!) I think its time for a dublin superhero clamp remover!

Quint

draycottgirlz wrote: »

He has plenty of experience and he uses an angle grinder....

Angel Grinder Man looks scary!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/3112670.stm

Superhero' takes on clampers.
The self-proclaimed superhero operates in Kent and London
Clad in a blue leotard and wielding a saw, a man claiming to be the UK's first wheel clamp vigilante is offering his services to motorists.
Angle-grinder Man - a self-proclaimed superhero - patrols by night looking for unhappy drivers who have been clamped and then sets their cars free.

He promises to take on clamping firms, speed cameras and the congestion charge on behalf of drivers.

An odd-job man by day, he claims to operate in Kent during the week and in London at weekends.

A hotline number on his website offers a free wheel clamp removal service.

I for one am prepared to fight for what is fair and am making myself available to the public

Angle-grinder Man

On calling, an answer phone message invites callers to "leave a message after the grinding sound".

The unnamed man, who wears a costume of gold boots and crotch-hugging pants over a blue leotard, said he was happy to take the risk.

"It's a public service," he says on his website.

"I for one am prepared to fight for what is fair and am making myself available to the public.


"I may not be able to single-handedly and totally cast off the repressive shackles of a corrupt government - but I can cut off your wheel-clamps for you."

He says he decided to go "full-time vigilante" in May this year.

"My obsession with wheel-clamping is actually a rebellion against a much deeper malaise," he said.

"Namely, the arrogant contempt that politicians hold for the people who put them into power, and whom they claim to represent."

A Kent Police spokeswoman said no complaint about wheel clamps being cut off had been made by either a clamping firm or a member of the public.

A spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Police said they could not investigate unless a crime was reported.

Eoin

Out of curiosity, what recourse will NCPS have? I hope they don't have access to any car registration database, so is it just a case of them reporting the damage to the Gardai for them to follow up?

stealthyspeeder

draycottgirlz wrote: »

Description of the clamp? They are various types...

Its a yellow triangle placed in front of the wheel, at each corner there is a chain, the chain at the top runs down loosely behind the wheel and connects with the triangular clamp at the bottom right corner. in the middle of this chain another connecting chain runs off this, through the wheel axel and suspension strut to connect with the bottom left corner of the clamp where the paddlock is.

cabrwab

Im not condoning clamping, i think this is stupidity of the highest order in all areas. Bring back the traffic warden and a ticket!

Just wondering have you tried roaring down a phone at somebody saying you were intitled to be in there etc Parked correctly, tell them they have damaged private property and as such......you've got 5minutes to get here.
I assume it was in an apartment block or something yeah?

I was under the impression that the only "Legal" clampers are the ones employed by the CO.CO's to enforce parking in public areas. It is common knowledge that management companies are cowboys!

stealthyspeeder

Quint wrote: »

Here's what I would do:
An angle grinder will cut through anything. You can rent one from somewhere like Swan Plant, HSS, JW Hire or any tool hire place. I'll go through any part of the clamp like a hot knife through butter. But an old towel or something around the wheel arch so the sparks won't damage the paint work.
Not sure what bits you need to cut, or how clamps are put on, but a grinder will be hard to cut the slack part of a chain. Not sure if you need to cut those bits though, but if you do get your mate to wear a workmans glove or something and hold the bit of chain with a vicegrips.

Thanks! this looks like the course of action! i hope the car adaptor is a high enough voltage and i hope the mini electic grinder slices right through it! in answer to what recourse do NCPS have, I do not know. But what can they say? we clamped a car, its now gone along with our clamp, this is the reg. If the guards do take them seriously which they most probably wont given it was private land, they cannot prove they put the clamp on legally or that it was taken off illegally or who it was taken off by. So i dont think they can do much other than threaten!

stealthyspeeder

cabrwab wrote: »

Im not condoning clamping, i think this is stupidity of the highest order in all areas. Bring back the traffic warden and a ticket!

Just wondering have you tried roaring down a phone at somebody saying you were intitled to be in there etc Parked correctly, tell them they have damaged private property and as such......you've got 5minutes to get here.
I assume it was in an apartment block or something yeah?

I was under the impression that the only "Legal" clampers are the ones employed by the CO.CO's to enforce parking in public areas. It is common knowledge that management companies are cowboys!

When I was clamped myself down in Galway (i was breaking their well signposted but doubtfully legally binding rules), I tried this but the guy on the phone said he wasnt coming until I calmed down, when he arrived I went mental at him and he got in to drive away and I had to stand in front of his van and pursuade him to I was calm so that he could take my money and the clamp off as i was in a rush! (one off the most sicken momments of my life!) They are cowboys indeed

kayos

Well they do take multiple photos of the car, where its parked, the clamp on the car, the area around the clamp before and after to show no damage was done and one of the reg. Of course these would all be time stamped. If you are positive they clamped your friend in the wrong ring the Guards and tell them, if the guards agree then let the guards deal with it. If they get no where pay up and take legal action to recover the fine.

Cuddlesworth

kayos wrote: »

Well they do take multiple photos of the car, where its parked, the clamp on the car, the area around the clamp before and after to show no damage was done and one of the reg. Of course these would all be time stamped. If you are positive they clamped your friend in the wrong ring the Guards and tell them, if the guards agree then let the guards deal with it. If they get no where pay up and take legal action to recover the fine.

And when you ring them to dispute and ask the person on the other end to check the photo's, in my case I was told the photos would not be received from anywhere from one to three days. A mate was on the way up with a angle grinder and generator when they un-clamped my car by accident(another car on the estate had paid up). Surprisingly they didn't re-clamp my car, I would have enjoyed destroying it.

draycottgirlz

kayos wrote: »

Well they do take multiple photos of the car, where its parked, the clamp on the car, the area around the clamp before and after to show no damage was done and one of the reg. Of course these would all be time stamped. If you are positive they clamped your friend in the wrong ring the Guards and tell them, if the guards agree then let the guards deal with it. If they get no where pay up and take legal action to recover the fine.

this is probably the right answer.


I personally in a situation like this I would like to pay the fine and while they are removing the clamp, clamp their van. So it would be a trade

stealthyspeeder

kayos wrote: »

Well they do take multiple photos of the car, where its parked, the clamp on the car, the area around the clamp before and after to show no damage was done and one of the reg. Of course these would all be time stamped. If you are positive they clamped your friend in the wrong ring the Guards and tell them, if the guards agree then let the guards deal with it. If they get no where pay up and take legal action to recover the fine.

These guys take two photos of the car, one of the clamped wheel and one of the reg, (we have seen them do it as they regularly clamp at this spot. Anybody is allowed to park in these spots for a period of time but when you exceed this you get clamped. He was parked the same length of time as me (which was under the specified time allowed) and he got clamped, I didint. They cannot prove that the car was there for longer than the specified time (primarily because it wasnt) and because they have no time stamped records of when the car arrives in the space. I personally believe the guards have more important things to be getting on with than an issue which two ppl can sort out. If there is a problem later, the clampers can be given a taste of their own medicine by making it as hard as possible for them to recoup any losses of you!

kayos

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

They cannot prove that the car was there for longer than the specified time (primarily because it wasnt) and because they have no time stamped records of when the car arrives in the space. I personally believe the guards have more important things to be getting on with than an issue which two ppl can sort out. If there is a problem later, the clampers can be given a taste of their own medicine by making it as hard as possible for them to recoup any losses of you!

Couple of points so

If they can not provide evidence of the car being clamped legally they are then illegally detaining (I would believe this the case) the car and the guards should do something about it if they refuse to release the car.

While I agree guards have more important matters to deal than getting clamping companies to release a car they should not have clamped in the first place. They also have better things to be doing than following up a criminal damage case that the clamping company will take against the two people who took the law into their own hands. Then there could be a court case. The end result of all this will be criminal charges against these people who removed the clamp, and the costs on the tax payer relating to the Guarda and possible Court time.

Did you even ring the clamping company to dicuss it with them?

Please dont get me wrong I'm not a clamper and not a fan of it either, a simple ticket with a big fine issued from a traffic warden is a better solution. but I dont think that two wrongs make a right.

draycottgirlz

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

These guys take two photos of the car, one of the clamped wheel and one of the reg, (we have seen them do it as they regularly clamp at this spot. Anybody is allowed to park in these spots for a period of time but when you exceed this you get clamped. He was parked the same length of time as me (which was under the specified time allowed) and he got clamped, I didint. They cannot prove that the car was there for longer than the specified time (primarily because it wasnt) and because they have no time stamped records of when the car arrives in the space. I personally believe the guards have more important things to be getting on with than an issue which two ppl can sort out. If there is a problem later, the clampers can be given a taste of their own medicine by making it as hard as possible for them to recoup any losses of you!

they get away with this everyday of the week...I'm sure they thought they would be able to do the same here.
I still think the above is the right answer because in the long run the guards will be involved by the clampers....

I have 'heard of an idea' that if you want satisfaction, fill the lock involved with superglue, call them and pay the fine. Then when they come to remove the clamp...it film it....it will give you a laugh for years to come.....plus one dead clamp in the bin.... :P

Johnny Utah

A dose of their own medicine........:D

Just cut off the clamp. This was discussed on the legal forum before- if it's on private land, they have no right to detain you.

Del2005

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

These guys take two photos of the car, one of the clamped wheel and one of the reg, (we have seen them do it as they regularly clamp at this spot. Anybody is allowed to park in these spots for a period of time but when you exceed this you get clamped. He was parked the same length of time as me (which was under the specified time allowed) and he got clamped, I didint. They cannot prove that the car was there for longer than the specified time (primarily because it wasnt) and because they have no time stamped records of when the car arrives in the space. I personally believe the guards have more important things to be getting on with than an issue which two ppl can sort out. If there is a problem later, the clampers can be given a taste of their own medicine by making it as hard as possible for them to recoup any losses of you!

As the others have said call the Gardai. They illegally detained your property. The thing with private clampers is that if you can remove the clamp without damaging it they do nothing to you, but once you damage their clamp you can be done for criminal damage. I'd much rather get them in trouble them me.

Are their no shops close to where you're parked that have CCTV? They may have images of both cars arriving.

yabadabado

draycottgirlz wrote: »

I have 'heard of an idea' that if you want satisfaction, fill the lock involved with superglue, call them and pay the fine. Then when they come to remove the clamp...it film it....it will give you a laugh for years to come.....plus one dead clamp in the bin.... :P

i think this was mentioned on top gear a while back .it was in france where people went around filling clamps with super glue just to piss off the clampers ,supposed to ruin the clamp.

Vanbis

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

These guys take two photos of the car, one of the clamped wheel and one of the reg, (we have seen them do it as they regularly clamp at this spot. Anybody is allowed to park in these spots for a period of time but when you exceed this you get clamped. He was parked the same length of time as me (which was under the specified time allowed) and he got clamped, I didint. They cannot prove that the car was there for longer than the specified time (primarily because it wasnt) and because they have no time stamped records of when the car arrives in the space. I personally believe the guards have more important things to be getting on with than an issue which two ppl can sort out. If there is a problem later, the clampers can be given a taste of their own medicine by making it as hard as possible for them to recoup any losses of you!

I have a friend who parked his car on property that had clamping in operation during the week. A company rented the space and paid a fee each year and they had clamping in operation. This lad was late one day and need to park the car so did so on and when he came back later he was clamped, he called them and they came but he wasnt paying to have it removed as he argued that where he had parked it was legal and they were wrong clamping. The clamper told him unless he paid the clamp was staying so he told him were to go and once he was gone with in five minutes another friend turned up with anglegrinder and they had it removed within five minutes and he threw the clamp in the car and drove off and to this day has never heard anything back from the company or guards about criminal damage to property.

Jonnykitedude

kayos wrote: »

Well they do take multiple photos of the car, where its parked, the clamp on the car, the area around the clamp before and after to show no damage was done and one of the reg. Of course these would all be time stamped. If you are positive they clamped your friend in the wrong ring the Guards and tell them, if the guards agree then let the guards deal with it. If they get no where pay up and take legal action to recover the fine.

Good luck!!!
Happened to Me in Clontarf Road Dart Station after i bought my WEEKLY TICKET p*@y NCPS clamped me cost me 125 to get the fecker off and i sent a letter into the NCPS claims department and i have just got the same letter back stating that the address is not in use!!

Shower of F*@k bags along with ryanair

towel401

draycottgirlz wrote: »

that would mean spending almost half the fine to remove it illegally...?

at least you have an angle grinder to show for your troubles, not propping up the scumbags involved in the clamping profession.

i'd buy the most expensive angle grinder i can find and a large diesel generator to power it before i'd give those ****ers a cent.

Carawaystick

put a little notice on your car stating "any clamp placed on the car will be glued with superglue" gonna cover you on private land anyway...

skyhighflyer

Private clamping companies have no access to the VRO database so they have no way of getting your details from a reg number. The photos are only taken to show that they didn't damange your car putting it on.

Speaking from experience, many guards have been clamped themselves at one time or another and could give less of a ****e about following up a clamping co.'s complaint that one of their precious clamps got sawed in half.

stealthyspeeder

Appreciate all the useful comments and even the offer of help guys but I have bad news. He chickened out and paid the fine like everyone else does. When he rang up to give a bit of old fashioned hairdryer treatment to whoever was on the line, he found it was an automated service which gave the option of: press 1 for clamp removal or press 2 to report a veicle needing clamped! (sickening!) so he pressed one and again was given an automated service that told him it was an 80 Euro release fee as opposed to the 120 posted on the sign! (another sly trick to get ppl to pay rather than take matters into their own hands i think!) so with the alternative being risky and just as expensive he rolled over, paid his money and took it like a b***h! I was dissappointed to say the least, and I had left work before the superglue idea came on the forum (gutted!)

towel401

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

Appreciate all the useful comments and even the offer of help guys but I have bad news. He chickened out and paid the fine like everyone else does. When he rang up to give a bit of old fashioned hairdryer treatment to whoever was on the line, he found it was an automated service which gave the option of: press 1 for clamp removal or press 2 to report a veicle needing clamped! (sickening!) so he pressed one and again was given an automated service that told him it was an 80 Euro release fee as opposed to the 120 posted on the sign! (another sly trick to get ppl to pay rather than take matters into their own hands i think!) so with the alternative being risky and just as expensive he rolled over, paid his money and took it like a b***h! I was dissappointed to say the least, and I had left work before the superglue idea came on the forum (gutted!)

ah.. what a shame.thats ****ing awful

Quint

He chickened out! Exactly what the clampers knew he would do! I thought getting the money wasn't an option?

Clampers: 1
Your mate: 0

If its one of the chain ones its probably strung around the steering linkage also.

Remove one or two bolts and you can remove the whole clamp undamaged.

The dullards they employ usually never put the chain round the axle.



If you do decide to cut it off make sure you are not seen or you could be liable for damage to the clamp.
Its up to them to prove you damaged the clamp!

edit: the clampers have extorted more money

preilly79

I wonder if the locks they use are resistant to picking? anybody with a few minutes and the right tools can pick a simple lock (lock bumping?). no damage, nothing to worry about (just throw away the tools you used to pick it)

Ste.phen

You'd probably get away with picking the lock alright, but cutting it off it almost certainly criminal damage. And private companies DO have access tot he VRO database, check out cartell.ie for an example of that one. Either way, the guards would have access to it if they reported the damage

VanhireBoys

The Clamping Gestapo in Galway have thier hideaway behind the Topaz at the end of the Quincentenial Bridge here in Galway..... I have my lunch there and get great entertainment out of watching them jumped up t*ssers swaggering about like God himself :rolleyes:

"Get back you peasants do you not realise that I am a car clamper"


I have a notion of putting my own lock on their gate just to see their reactions when they realise what its like to be "clamped"

Einstein

some of the older clamps came off if u let the air out of your tyre.
Ok, so ye need to go get air then but its better then bein clamped.