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Global Economic Manipulation?

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Right so, Back on Topic, I was under the impresion that Governments BOUGHT thetoxicdebt that was crippling the financial sector, to do this they would have needed to put up capital right, so whats the score with this liquidity thing then?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty


    America plunged it's own economy into recession so that it would adversly affect India and China and weaken their economy so that they don't become world powers. Of course America has the muscle to build itself up again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    I came across these articles

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/109210-the-manipulation-of-gold-prices?source=article_sb_popular

    http://www.hardassetsinvestor.com/features-and-interviews/1307-gold-in-backwardation-not-so-fast-.html?start=1

    and they aroused my suspicion, if the world's economy and stock markets are being manipulated. If the stock markets will crash from downward pressure? and be picked up for pennies on the dollar by the super-wealthy.

    Such as here: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/39506

    Also, if the worlds economies fail, can a gold/part gold (world) currency be introduced? And if so, who currently is holding the gold?

    This guy here http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/salinasprice/2007/0529.html quotes the IMF and claims that 81% is in private hands.

    I am totally out of my depth on this, and would be interested if someone with more economic understanding could comment.

    Merrill Lynch says rich turning to gold bars for safety


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/4177766/Merrill-Lynch-says-rich-turning-to-gold-bars-for-safety.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Anyone who has researched the bankers will know that they are quite capable of manipulating markets, and have done in the past. The question to be asked is not 'is this global economic manipulation?', rather the question is: 'to what end has this manufactured crisis been created?'

    Another step towards causing fear in the sheeple, and another step towards a new world order. Involving a more socialist and centralised approach. How? Because of bailouts and nationalisation of banking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭WhaLofShi


    Kernel wrote: »
    Anyone who has researched the bankers will know that they are quite capable of manipulating markets, and have done in the past. The question to be asked is not 'is this global economic manipulation?', rather the question is: 'to what end has this manufactured crisis been created?'

    Another step towards causing fear in the sheeple, and another step towards a new world order. Involving a more socialist and centralised approach. How? Because of bailouts and nationalisation of banking.

    But how does this help out the usual suspects? Many Bilderbergers are bankers. Rockefeller and Sutherland are just two. I'm having a problem getting my head around how nationalising banks benefits these guys.

    :confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    Warning: More Doom Ahead
    By Nouriel Roubini


    “Because the United States is such a huge part of the global economy, there’s real reason to worry that an American financial virus could mark the beginning of a global economic contagion.” – Nouriel Roubini, March 2008

    His predictions for this year:

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4591


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    America plunged it's own economy into recession so that it would adversly affect India and China and weaken their economy so that they don't become world powers. Of course America has the muscle to build itself up again.

    Interesting. I was pondering the reasons behind the manufactured economic 'crisis' and came to China myself.

    I have a different belief forming however, that the bankers have looked at the Chinese model and seen that it is hugely successful and want to adopt it here. The notion of having complete control over a currency will only be effective for the bankers if they have global control. The one world agenda has been happening in stages (ie. European Union, North American Union, African Union etc.) by attempting to create regional superstates. I believe that one can predict that the same thing will happen with regional currencies (eg. proposed Amero, Euro etc.). I think the free markets are being reigned in, and that the regional governments will then have control over the regional currency in the same way that China has control over it's currency. More stable currency values will no doubt be more beneficial to world bankers, since there is less risk and fluctuation involved.

    Of course, it also creates fear and uncertainty which are the tools of tyrants and governments to implement radical change and agenda. I'll watch Obama with great interest over the first term. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    WhaLofShi wrote: »
    But how does this help out the usual suspects? Many Bilderbergers are bankers. Rockefeller and Sutherland are just two. I'm having a problem getting my head around how nationalising banks benefits these guys.

    :confused:

    I understand what you mean. The nationalisation of the banks seems to be likely to be in the form of the government getting a small stake (non-controlling). This could be an agreement to allow the bankers to continue to operate a system of controlling the amount of currency issued, while at the same time allowing a level of government control. This agreement could have been made as far back as the Federal Reserve being formed, as the globalist NWO agenda seems to have been gaining momentum at roughly the same time in history. The upside for the bankers being that the global currencies will be more stable and secure due to the regional superstates of the NWO.

    Tbh I'm still pondering this question you have asked, and have been thinking about it but have not come to a definitive (in my mind) plausible conclusion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    America plunged it's own economy into recession so that it would adversly affect India and China and weaken their economy so that they don't become world powers. Of course America has the muscle to build itself up again.

    Nah.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    Kernel wrote: »
    Interesting. I was pondering the reasons behind the manufactured economic 'crisis' and came to China myself.

    I have a different belief forming however, that the bankers have looked at the Chinese model and seen that it is hugely successful and want to adopt it here. The notion of having complete control over a currency will only be effective for the bankers if they have global control. The one world agenda has been happening in stages (ie. European Union, North American Union, African Union etc.) by attempting to create regional superstates. I believe that one can predict that the same thing will happen with regional currencies (eg. proposed Amero, Euro etc.). I think the free markets are being reigned in, and that the regional governments will then have control over the regional currency in the same way that China has control over it's currency. More stable currency values will no doubt be more beneficial to world bankers, since there is less risk and fluctuation involved.

    Of course, it also creates fear and uncertainty which are the tools of tyrants and governments to implement radical change and agenda. I'll watch Obama with great interest over the first term. :)

    A new Bretton-Woods agreement then? Fixed currency rates?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty


    Nah.

    Why not ? It's widely believed that the "global recession" that stemmed from America was partly caused by their insane sub-prime mortgage lending.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    Why not ? It's widely believed that the "global recession" that stemmed from America was partly caused by their insane sub-prime mortgage lending.

    Yeah, but I don't see any governing power directing it. It was a flawed system of rules, built up over 28 years that led to where we are today. I think people find it easier to conclude that 'someone' was behind it, be it greedy bankers or a government conspiracy, rather than the reality of countless individuals working within the rules of a system that was inherently flawed and doomed to failure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty


    Well capitalism is flawed and doomed. It's nature is to eat itself up .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    Well capitalism is flawed and doomed. It's nature is to eat itself up .

    Capitalism is too broad a term, as is socialism. There are varying straints, and of course they can be combined. I suggest you read up on Western economic policy from 1945-1973 (Keynesianism, Bretton-Woods, etc), this is pretty much what you will see being repeated over the next decade or so. In my opinion, anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty


    Capitalism is indeed too broad a term but sometimes for the sake of keeping this compact it gets used.
    I'll have a read up on yr suggestion there.


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