First Car Shortlist

toco123

This is my shortlist:

BMW 318 tds Compact
VW Golf 1.9 TDi
Toyota Corolla G6 1.3

Any advice? I'm thinking of buying a diesel. BTW this will be my first car.
So far these are the pros and cons i think about all three:

318 TDS:
PROS:
RWD ; Sweet looks; rare enough around here; easily modded; suprisingly reasonable insurance :S.

CONS:
Not as fun as petrol version (won't go slideways (not enough revs?) )

Golf TDI:
PROS:
Common down here so own a sweet one and you'd put them all to shame (actuallly theres people buying GT TDI badges trying to look as good as the modded ones :L:L); TDI engine easily tunable;

CONS:
As common as f**k down here, getting a bit old, high mileage

Corolla G6:
PROS:
Sweet Looks; Little needed to mod; Rare; Can get a easy lump exchange with glanza

CONS:
Price, high insurance for 1.3 and its a Petrol. i believe theres a 2.0D version but its a car/van. I'm not convinced about getting a van, but a friend was telling me that you can put the seats in and register it or something??


Any suggestions!??!?!

martydunf

i have a tdi golf

love it when the turbo kicks in just a pity it wouldnt last a bit longer!( its only the 90bhp)you should probably go for sonething a bit bigger maybe 130bhp?

and i get great mpg bcz shes a diesel!

Yakult

Out of all of them I would go for the corolla. Unless the golf is 130bhp as stated above me I wouldnt buy one. As for the Bmw Im not gone on that either, it just lacks with that engine imo.

SV

Whatever you do, do not go for that bmw.
Anyone who knows anything is gonna laugh at you for driving the cheap mans underpowered bmw, paying for a badge has never been more apparent than with the 3 series beemers.

As for the golf...they define boring. Nothing more to say about them really.


Go for the Corolla.

toco123

What are you saying 130bhp?? Golf TD Red i at most has 115Bhp? Or you could go GT TDI? Your talking €10,000? It's a first car remember... I'm thinking around €3000.

I agree Golf is boring and especially when out of a class of 30, 10 or more drive golfs.

As I said the corolla is too expensive though

Any other recommendations.. Personally i'd prefer a diesel

Tony Broke

First car, probably cant drive properly, no full licence im guessing?

Your worrying about power sliding on a bmw :eek:

Go with the Corolla or a diesel 306/307

Caliden

with 3 grand to spend it wont get you much of a corolla tbh
and with a first car, chances are pretty high you're going to have a tip or two

Then comes the insurance, are you actually able get cover on any of those cars? The corolla maybe

toco123

just because im provisional does not mean i cannot have fun with my car??

B00MSTICK

The TDS really is tedious.

In fairness I'd say just make do with a cheap, reliable, low power, easy to tax/insure/fill with fuel car until you you can afford something decent.

Mk2 Golf or K10 Micra have a classic (boxy) look to them imo, and tidy up very well.

If not, I reckon the Seat Toledo isn't too bad

toco123

@caliden: Corolla is the worst value for money insurance.. I'll be insured under the parents.

I wouldnt be keen on seats or micra tbh.

toco123

Might as well add 1.3 Lancer to the short list as well :P

are they underpoered or secretly packing a kick?

toco123

Might as well add 1.3 Lancer to the short list as well :P

are they underpoered or secretly packing a kick?

B00MSTICK

Have a guess :P

Diesel is your best bet for power tbh

Unlesss you can find a cheap 1.6 VTEC/MIVEC/TVIS and put whatever you have left into insurance! Or maybe sell some computer bits/consoles?

Sqaull20

toco123 wrote: »

Might as well add 1.3 Lancer to the short list as well :P

are they underpoered or secretly packing a kick?

not going to win any races in one but they are not bad at all.drive one myself ( was the brothers ) and havent had any problems with it in 3 years.good reliable car and can look very nice with a pair of alloys and spoiler.cheap too, probably get a nice looking one with long nct and road tax for about €1500 or so.

good first car i say, you can move on to something with a little more umph when you have a few years no claims.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1260359

put in a new gear knob, gaiter, hand brake thingy, pair of shades, a spoiler and you be looking good :P

toco123

Legendary comment! :L:L i was thinking more evo look alike to be honest :L

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mitsubishi/Lancer/1.3-GLX/200848191053196/advert

B00MSTICK

Which Evo does that look like?

toco123

evo 12... its a prototype :P

I mean like fat spoiler and evo sideskirts.

And instead of a pair of sunglasses perhaps one of these

:L


love one of these when i start ****tin money:

B00MSTICK

I think you're a bit old for a baby seat tbh

toco123

Really? Thats reassuring :L:L
lol

SV

B00MSTICK wrote: »

I think you're a bit old for a baby seat tbh

Nice.




go for the lancer 1.3 or a mirage 1.3


they're not as slow as you'd think....once they get going..

toco123

Is a 00 lancer the same shape as any of the evo range?
Like the same way sunny and pulser have exchangable parts

Id be interested in getting skirts etc. from an autofactor or something

B00MSTICK

Here you go. Its a cheapo so may not fit exactly right...

Id advise you to get one with a kit already though because you're looking at least 500 to buy a full kit, then you have to get it fitted and painted (possibly need to get the paint blended also)

They're very popular so shouldnt be too hard to find one with a kit and nice alloys.

S.I.R

toco123 wrote: »

This is my shortlist:

BMW 318 tds Compact
VW Golf 1.9 TDi
Toyota Corolla G6 1.3

Any advice? I'm thinking of buying a diesel. BTW this will be my first car.
So far these are the pros and cons i think about all three:

318 TDS:
PROS:
RWD ; Sweet looks; rare enough around here; easily modded; suprisingly reasonable insurance :S.

CONS:
Not as fun as petrol version (won't go slideways (not enough revs?) )

Golf TDI:
PROS:
Common down here so own a sweet one and you'd put them all to shame (actuallly theres people buying GT TDI badges trying to look as good as the modded ones :L:L); TDI engine easily tunable;

CONS:
As common as f**k down here, getting a bit old, high mileage

Corolla G6:
PROS:
Sweet Looks; Little needed to mod; Rare; Can get a easy lump exchange with glanza

CONS:
Price, high insurance for 1.3 and its a Petrol. i believe theres a 2.0D version but its a car/van. I'm not convinced about getting a van, but a friend was telling me that you can put the seats in and register it or something??


Any suggestions!??!?!

should feel blessed that you can afford a first car let alone be picky, honestly.... your first car is never a tuner. >.>

Drummerboy08

My oul one has a 318 Diesel Compact... SAys enough i think..........

Dependin on your insurance, look at bringing in a nice EK9 Type R....

Failin that, the Mivec Colts it a great yoke to go too, Other wise just buy a Golf TDi and get it chipped. Plenty fast either way for your first car, which will prob end up in a wall no matter what car you buy.....

So actually. Buy a ball of Sh*te for a few months, chances are you'll have a few tips in it your first motor, save up for a decent machine in a few months time.

toco123

Yah, the lancer i was looking at is gone :P
Is there any difference between GLX and well.... non-GLX?

That kit isn't that expensive.... bout 500 delivered

Ya... I'd want to get an exhaust system, 5 window tint, 17" alloys, and a full sound system. I own all the stuff for fibreglassing so i might give that a shot . I want to own something that stands out... for all the good reasons.

Still considering corolla 1.3, ill get a quick quote insurance wise...

Caliden

And you have about 3 grand to spend you say...

toco123

Yes... for the car excluding insurance and mods.

Even the Lancer PLUS mods would come to just about that:
Lancer w/ Spoiler 1700
5 window tint 170
Bodykit 500
Sound System 300
Alloys 300
Exhaust System 100

Drummerboy08

Think your bein a bit ambitious with your funds there...

a set of "17's for 300 quid? Might get two for that.... Realistically they'll be more like 700 or so - unless you know someone sellin a second hand set for that money....

Likewise for the exhaust - 100 quid wont get you much - might get a decent backbox with some haggling.

Might get a decent head unit for 300 quid, dunno where you'll get the speakers for free tho....

toco123

BK Racing sell a huge range and are extremelly cheap when you buy them direct.
Get a backbox no problem for less than a hundred quid.
You can buy a set of 12" xplod subs with an amp for 200 and components with an amp for about 100...
Ambitious???? maybe you just don't know where to look.. Especially when you say 300 for a head unit... You can find GPS/Bluetooth/DVD 7" flip up touch screen head units for 300? :L:L:L

Caliden

xplod subs are gonna sound a bit rubbish
I'm sure they'll do for the basshunter/clubland though

B00MSTICK

Don't forget rubber and paint mate, at least €80 a corner and prob €300 up to get the kit painted by a pro.

If you stick on an exhaust, induction kit and get it lowered your premium will jump a few hundred too.

I reckon you should just buy the best example you can afford and focus on the fancy sh*te later, thats what birthdays/christmas is for.

Remember, a POS with nice alloys, stereo set-up and bodykit is still a POS.

Sqaull20

you sound like a levin driver Toco.i know a few young fella's just a bit older than you who have been through a few, insurance shouldnt be a problem on them if your a name driver and they are very very fast for a first car, too fast.i think they are over 150ps standard, they are just 1.6 and most of them are kitted out already so all you need is accessories.

check this out, was interest myself.

http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=71072&cat=2

B00MSTICK

Why would a Cynos with a standard 1.3 100bhp 4efe engine interests you? You do realise its missing the T part?

In fairness he sounds like he doesnt know what he wants (apart from looks sweet and goes fast) so lets try not confuse him anymore.

As already said, Lancer, Corolla, Golf good 1st cars and insurable.

S.I.R

why not just buy a diahatsu charade gti ??


1.0 6v turbo, 60 in around 7 seconds, under 800 kg in weight, even I can insure it, Proven evo/impreza killer !

its all about accl notthe speed your banger can do.


also if your gonna mod your car, please, do it correctly, back boxes alone, mutant cheapo gear looks tacky...


if modding cars correctly was cheap, everyone Would do it...

B00MSTICK

Yes because they are so common. And look nice. And are easy to insure.

Im 21 and put in provisional license and 1 year named ncd. €1.6k.
He's 3 years younger than me. Have you actually got a quote?

Sure you may aswell get a Micra ST. Its only 998cc so it doesn't matter that there's a Supercharger and Turbo.

God the amount of crap I read pisses me off...

Look, high performance and 1st car/young driver doesn't work.

Unless you're a scumbag who doesn't get his car insured.

toco123

B00MSTICK wrote: »

Remember, a POS with nice alloys, stereo set-up and bodykit is still a POS.

No truer words said.
However, I'm definitelly not buying a **** car wheter its my first or not!

It will be insured under my parents
I am not skum.
I am looking for a respectable car, not a fiat.

I do have an idea what I want but I'm not sure I would like to go petrol or not.
Like for example, I could afford to insure and buy a nice BMW 316i or but I couldn't afford to keep it running every week.

challengemaster

Everyone, and I mean, EVERYONE, has to start somewhere, that's usually with a "crap" car. You work up from that. Nobody gets a decent respectable car as their first, unless you've craploads of money to throw at it. As said above.. high performance and 1st car/young driver doesn't work.

While I was doing a bit of drift photography, I met a guy who had a beauty of a skyline, and he was telling me that even he started with a POS. I met someone else who's 21 driving a 350z, had it since he was 19, wasn't his first car though.

Your first car is only there to learn in, make mistakes in, and to get your full license in. They're not long term investments tbh, and you'll attract more Gardaí attention with L plates up on a modified/powerful car. That's ofc assuming you're going to follow the law...:cool:

Smart thing to do is, get a car to do you over until you've got your full license. In the mean time, save up your money so you've more to spend on the next one(and when you sell off your first). Then you've your full license, a decent enough car, and don't have to have someone with you by law. Time to have fun.

Sqaull20

toco123 wrote: »

No truer words said.
However, I'm definitelly not buying a **** car wheter its my first or not!

It will be insured under my parents
I am not skum.
I am looking for a respectable car, not a fiat.

I do have an idea what I want but I'm not sure I would like to go petrol or not.
Like for example, I could afford to insure and buy a nice BMW 316i or but I couldn't afford to keep it running every week.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1266738

i cant imagine a 316i being that heavy on fuel? im getting about 35 - 38 mpg from my lancer 1.3. 316i wouldnt be heavier on fuel i'd imagine.power would be similar as those 1.6 bmw's are suppose to be very dead ( not that a 1.3 mitsubishi is lively ).for €2000 you should be able to get this.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1266738

would have loved if that was my first car, i had a 95 corsa and thats the way it shoud be

mivec here, insurance might be an issue but they are very quick something like 165ps.

http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=71687&cat=2

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/insure/index.htm

toco123

Here i'll just say i would like an affordable hatchbak, navy or black, under 1.4 or 2.0td. Not a fiat, nor a car no ones heard of... Preferably not a golf as there the most
common in fermoy. Enough room for a sound system, and easy to get body kit or looks sweet enough without one. Currently a corolla g6 with TTE kit sounds good

toco123

And mivec would be ridiculous to insure

B00MSTICK

Maybe a Mitsubishi Galant 2.0 TD? Petrols are good but not sure about diesel...

Nice long NCT and Tax on this one. Pics arent great tho.

Kits available for it too but it looks nice as is IMO.

Can't really think of much else!

toco123

Naw, prefer a hatchback.... Wouldn't touch a mitsibshi i'd say

B00MSTICK

toco123 wrote:

Wouldn't touch a mitsibshi i'd say

Mine has 192k km and still flying it!

How about an Audi A3 1.9TDI? Might be the upper end of your budget but a good clean/wax, some springs and a nice set of alloys does wonders.

Yakult

OP how about a Honda civic 1.5vti?

I know civics are the most common cars you will come across but they are without a doubt easy to modify tastefully and they are pretty reliable. Also quiet quick too.

toco123

Was considering it. Though there rarely good condition at 3000.

toco123

Civics are rare enough... Bit uninsurable

jmck87

This is a gas thread....

1.3 lancer mate......but if I was you I'd put a set of stabalizers and a restricter on it....get all that bodykit / sound system / exhaust crap out of your head.

You mightnt be a scumbag but youll look like one in a car of your liking....

Wait till youre driving 4 or 5 years before you go tuner car....hopefully then youll have the sense not to act the eejit in it....

jmck87

S.I.R wrote: »

1.0 6v turbo, 60 in around 7 seconds, under 800 kg in weight, even I can insure it, Proven evo/impreza killer !
...

That bit made me laugh.....ever been in an evo?

toco123

Ha... Well in da end its my decision so in da end it won't matter to you... And by the way, i'd prefer to go euro style, than hardcore retarded skummy ****. It seems like the corolla is the best option to be honest

Caliden

Best option is to take the advice from people who know what they're talking about and have been driving for longer than yourself to be honest.

toco123

To be honest i know more people who know less than me about cars than ones that do.
Look, some of you are being extremely helpfull but some of ye have ridiculous opinions. But when i said i want to spend money on it e.g. Sound system, i do intend to get one. Body kit wise i mean smooth, not over the top with a big gay spoiler unless it suits it or is necessary.
I'm a complete music junkie, and that is the only reason i need a sound system, most likely from vibe. As well as that i would like to take my fibreglass skills and electronic skills and put it into the soundsystem. I want a nice enough car that it could be showed but not grab too much attention.
Fuk it, i think i'll just get the corolla 6 speed g6 next year and do what I like to it!