Cars are teh win, and other such nonsense.

kenmc

Edit: new thread created for discussion. Uberwolf.


Any chance we can get a 'No discussion of cycle lanes and their use/non-use' added to the charter, so that all those stupid threads can be locked down instantly? Please?

Edit: Why the hell is my name associated with such a rediculously titled thread? I demand justice!!!

TinyExplosions

kenmc wrote: »

Any chance we can get a 'No discussion of cycle lanes and their use/non-use' added to the charter, so that all those stupid threads can be locked down instantly? Please?

And a ban on mentioning Road Tax as a reason we shouldn't exist

DirkVoodoo

+1 to both of those. Let them do it in commutin&transport, i think this should be a forum for the "art of cycling" and all things euro

Gavin

I dunno, people do come on genuinely asking why cyclists don't cycle in the cycle lane and when told they actually take it on board.

Perhaps be a bit more strict on the threads, if stuff deteriorates into generalisations about cyclists and motorists, just lock it.

kenmc

Verb wrote: »

I dunno, people do come on genuinely asking why cyclists don't cycle in the cycle lane and when told they actually take it on board.

Perhaps be a bit more strict on the threads, if stuff deteriorates into generalisations about cyclists and motorists, just lock it.

Then lets have a locked sticky that they can be pointed to, and lock the thread

Gavin

Well that's true alright. Not a bad idea actually a detailed wiki post with photos showing tripe cycle lanes might keep em happy.

Gavin

And while we're at it. A ban for people who call others who do not wear helmets fools, mention darwin, etc.

Raam

Jeez, yis are like Hitler in this thread. :pac:

blorg

Suggest these posts be split out into a new thread and the charter thread locked. Sticking all this in the Wiki would be the best idea.

SerialComplaint

Raam wrote: »

Jeez, yis are like Hitler in this thread. :pac:

A ban on people who mention Hitler too.

Raam

SerialComplaint wrote: »

A ban on people who mention Hitler too.

A ban for the both of us so

Civilian_Target

Better than locking the get off the fookin' road threads, can we just mod-edit them into something foolish?

DirkVoodoo

Verb wrote: »

And while we're at it. A ban for people who call others who do not wear helmets fools, mention darwin, etc.

I had some woman stop as she passed me on the road while she crossed at a pedestrian light in foxrock village (she hadn't got the little green man!). She asked me, rather condescendingly, "where my helmet was?". Now some people may agree with her and I know both sides of the argument, but I think to future threads on said topics I would give the same reply I (rather rudely I am ashamed to admit, but I stand by it) gave her "Frankly, its none of your business".

She put me in a bad mood for the rest of my cycle. In the end it is no ones business. If it is not written in law then it is merely a matter of how one values one's own safety and I have my own reasons which I won't list here and I agree with Verb, that it is not up to the armchair gestapo of this world to enforce something that is, at the moment, unenforceable.

Sorry, I don't know where I was going with that. No helmet talk; the cycling forum is a place of Zen like equilibrium. Let them fight it out in AH.

kenmc

what the hell were you doing stopped at a red light? If you'd cycled on through it as you're supposed to you wouldn't have heard her, so really it serves you right

ChipPanBuddha

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

I had some woman stop as she passed me on the road while she crossed at a pedestrian light in foxrock village (she hadn't got the little green man!). She asked me, rather condescendingly, "where my helmet was?". Now some people may agree with her and I know both sides of the argument, but I think to future threads on said topics I would give the same reply I (rather rudely I am ashamed to admit, but I stand by it) gave her "Frankly, its none of your business".

She put me in a bad mood for the rest of my cycle. In the end it is no ones business. If it is not written in law then it is merely a matter of how one values one's own safety and I have my own reasons which I won't list here and I agree with Verb, that it is not up to the armchair gestapo of this world to enforce something that is, at the moment, unenforceable.

Sorry, I don't know where I was going with that. No helmet talk; the cycling forum is a place of Zen like equilibrium. Let them fight it out in AH.

She was probably just seething after the breakdown of of her limited edition, Foxrock/Helmand Province, landmine resistant 4x4. The only vehicle available in charity coffee morning khaki.

311

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

I had some woman stop as she passed me on the road while she crossed at a pedestrian light in foxrock village (she hadn't got the little green man!). She asked me, rather condescendingly, "where my helmet was?". Now some people may agree with her and I know both sides of the argument, but I think to future threads on said topics I would give the same reply I (rather rudely I am ashamed to admit, but I stand by it) gave her "Frankly, its none of your business".

She put me in a bad mood for the rest of my cycle. In the end it is no ones business. If it is not written in law then it is merely a matter of how one values one's own safety and I have my own reasons which I won't list here and I agree with Verb, that it is not up to the armchair gestapo of this world to enforce something that is, at the moment, unenforceable.

Sorry, I don't know where I was going with that. No helmet talk; the cycling forum is a place of Zen like equilibrium. Let them fight it out in AH.

That was definetly a fog horn moment ,blast them I tells ya!

TinyExplosions

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

She asked me, rather condescendingly, "where my helmet was?".

You should have, completely convincingly, pretended that you had one on, and that she was crazy for not being able to see it!

Chips Lovell

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

I had some woman stop as she passed me on the road while she crossed at a pedestrian light in foxrock village (she hadn't got the little green man!). She asked me, rather condescendingly, "where my helmet was?". Now some people may agree with her and I know both sides of the argument, but I think to future threads on said topics I would give the same reply I (rather rudely I am ashamed to admit, but I stand by it) gave her "Frankly, its none of your business".

Should have said, it's none of your business love or missus. They love it when you say that.

TinyExplosions

Or: "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"

Lumen

el tonto wrote: »

Should have said, it's none of your business love or missus. They love it when you say that.

"Poppet" FTW!

Bunnyhopper

As in, "It's in me shorts, poppet"? Now that would just have been rude

Discussions that tend to go nowhere are those about:
helmet use;
when a mandatory cycle lane is not a mandatory cycle lane;
road/motor tax and the associated sense of entitlement;
and,
yous should get yeerselves and yeer bikes out of the way of my more important vehicle (What I call "The Clarkson Factor").

Maybe we could have a wiki or sticky that sets out the differing positions on, for example, helmet use, along with links to relevant articles (to be updated by mods at the suggestion of members).

We could have the same for the legislation around cycletracks, the associated signage, links to articles that debate the relative merits of different sorts of lanes and tracks, and so on.

By the time we're done we might have the start of an Irish Sustrans/CTC Or at least a useful resource to which people can be referred. It would also, I guess, allow the mods a bit more leeway with shutting down threads that are covering old ground.

DirkVoodoo

TinyExplosions wrote: »

You should have, completely convincingly, pretended that you had one on, and that she was crazy for not being able to see it!

I thought about that an hour later, damn my slow timing!

EDIT: Also agree with Bunnyhopper, I'm not a fan of the way some forums are patrolled with almost facist rigidity. I think "Ban for mentioning the dreaded helmet talk - post locked" is obviously a bit much. Maybe a few wiki pages as he mentions and a "direct your rant here" to anyone who mentions any of the proposed "stupid topics".

I'd be willing to have a go at a helmet page when I get some time.

copacetic

don't think this is on myself, discussion is discussion. There is a user on this thread in fact who seems to spend most of their time trolling the motors forum, whats good for the goose and all that! plenty of the threads are honest enough and only the occasional one appears intent on causing trouble..

Raam

I don't mind the threads about helmets/cycletracks/motor tax. They can make for great reading and are often more entertaining than whatever rubbish is on television.

copacetic

Raam wrote: »

I don't mind the threads about helmets/cycletracks/motor tax. They can make for great reading and are often more entertaining than whatever rubbish is on television.

agreed, I like cars and bikes. I enjoy the car people trolling the cycling forum and the cyclist trolling the motors forum. Each knowing very little about the other, they iz teh funi.

cyclopath2001

But it could be argued that cyclists know more about driving than motorists about cycling.

Traumadoc

I think it is a good idea to have these discussions once in a while.

BostonB

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

But it could be argued that cyclists know more about driving than motorists about cycling.

What about the stealth ninja I passed cycling the wrong way on nassu street last week? Or the van driver stopped at the lights, who warned me to watch the back as it swings wide, as I cycled up alongside.

Harrybelafonte

Traumadoc wrote: »

I think it is a good idea to have these discussions once in a while.

It's all the time though and it tends to be people who appear, make their complaint and never come back after their thread is finished

Raam

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

It's all the time though and it tends to be people who appear, make their complaint and never come back after their thread is finished

In fairness, they liven the place up. It can be very dull on this forum sometimes.

TinyExplosions

Raam wrote: »

In fairness, they liven the place up. It can be very dull on this forum sometimes.

You're dull!

Raam

TinyExplosions wrote: »

You're dull!

WHAT THE?!?!

OK, you've won this round, Tiny, but I'll be back!

Raam

Oh, by "dull" I mean quiet

TinyExplosions

Start of Wiki page, feel free to add to it folks!

TinyExplosions

Raam wrote: »

WHAT THE?!?!

OK, you've won this round, Tiny, but I'll be back!

I'm sure you shall Raam, I'm sure you shall....

'68 Fastback

I like the rants but the Cycling forum is under the Sports umberella so maybe there should be a second Cycling forum in the Commuting&Transport section.
Threads about Cycling as a sport in all its glorious forms stay here, rants/fights about idiot motorists and slack jawed peds over where they'll get to see them?

Gavin

No, wouldn't be on for splitting up the cycling forum myself, I like having it all in one place

Y'could ask for just a sub-link under C&T to linkee here.

Raam

Verb wrote: »

I like having it all in one place

I'll second that.

'68 Fastback

Yeah, as I said, I like the rants and ongoing(meandering) debates and personally don't have a problem with non helmet wearing "people" contributing to the forum. Just thought I'd state the obvious:D

Hungrycol

Shimano is better than Campag

Harrybelafonte

Hungrycol wrote: »

Shimano is better than Campag

define better?

Same as saying "Honda is better than Alfa"

niceonetom

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

define better?

• an edible emulsion of fat globules made by churning milk or cream; for cooking and table use
• a fighter who strikes the opponent with his head

niceonetom

i'm not in favour of banning the discussion of any topics.

if anything i enjoy seeing the noisily ignorant getting a good shoeing. i used to join in, but recently i haven't been arsed. those who still are, i salute you. this would, i think be a more entertaining solution; if "motor-tax" / helmet / cycle-lanes / all you cyclists are X / two-abreast type silliness kicks off the usual embargo on personal abuse should be relaxed. put simply, dickheads should be told they're being dickheads. a sticky (or wiki) explaining this rule would be needed of course... a "you will be deemed a dickhead if... " sticky.

this all goes to my deepening opinion that folk around here are being too nice.

'68 wrote:

I... personally don't have a problem with non helmet wearing "people" contributing to the forum.

exquisite use of inverted commas there. well done.

DirkVoodoo

Maybe if you complained more often it would drag the rest of us down to your level? Seriously, I think you have to come down harder on people's stupidity Tom .

I don't consider myself that nice about some of the arseholery threads we get that rank in differing degrees of "ignorant tosspots". I wouldn't be on for banning either, despite what other forums may say I think everyone has the right to their opinion, but I do agree that instead of people on here having to refer to the same old articles/websites, it would be nice to have a sticky with all the relevant information.

That way, in true Simpson's fashion, we can simply say "Don't make me tap the sign!"

blorg

Definately no point in splitting the cycling forum. Ban '68 Fastback for such a suggestion.

On a slightly more reasoned note, we all cycle on the same roads and thus share many of the same issues. As a case in point there was this very interesting article in the Telegraph of all places: Olympic cyclist Victoria Pendleton: Car drivers put my life at risk

I remember a while back there was a driver rant, I think over the non-use of cycle lanes, who was actually somewhat won over by the arguments in the end. I think having some of this stuff compiled in the Wiki is a good idea but agree there should not be any overly heavy-handed moderation of threads that happen to come up. A simple link to the relevant page on the Wiki could suffice, which the poster could read and then come back to debate specifics (if they wished.)

Chips Lovell

I've seen other forums where phrases are autoreplaced in the cases of persistant trolling.

So, if someone writes "don't pay road tax", it should be replaced with "really turn me on".

Raam

el tonto wrote: »

I've seen other forums where phrases are autoreplaced in the cases of persistant trolling.

So, if someone writes "don't pay road tax", it should be replaced with "really turn me on".

I like it
El Tonto, you really turn me on.

Wow: it's in place already!

blorg

Another pro cyclist mishap tale here, almost left her paralysed after a hit and run Emma Davies Jones: 'I just wanted to sleep: that was the only time when I felt no pain'

cyclopath2001

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

It's all the time though and it tends to be people who appear, make their complaint and never come back after their thread is finished

Some of them have low-double-digit post counts.

The benefit of some of the more outrageous gauntlets thrown down here is that it challenges existing thinking & helps separate fact from urban myth.

Junior

I actually think that poster who said the forum should be moved to Transport mightn't be far wrong like, most of the discussion is about commuting, style and shizzle like that, not very 'sporty' really is it ?

As for cars are teh win, of course they are, but I'll always have a big grá for my bike and cycling, but it's just a different grá for cars..