[Dec 7] IPSA EGM

Sparks

From the IPSA website:

Notice of EGM
Please note due to largest interest from members the venue has been changed to Tullamore Court Hotel
Date and Time: Sunday 07/12/08 at 12.00 Noon
Venue: Tullamore Court Hotel, Tullamore, Co. Offaly.

This meeting will consist of an information meeting, with all up-to-date information, followed by a question and answer session. Following this, the membership will be asked to vote on the two following resolutions.

1). That the association be maintained as a legal entity, and its current operational status be continued, while all avenues including legal opinions and options continue to be aggressively examined and explored, with a report back to the membership at a future EGM.

2) That the association be wound up as of 31/12/08

<name snipped -sparks>
Secretary,
IPSA

G17

Hi mods, should this be moved to the target shooting section?

It wasn't me!

Nope, no politics allowed there, and this is political.

Sparks

IWM nailed it - this ties into the recent stuff on banning handguns, and all that stuff is in here, so here this is. It was originally in the handgun ban thread, but this seemed more appropriate.

G17

My bad.

les45

As I had the honour to announce the forming of the IPSA on the sixth of March 2005 I will also take this opportunity to announce that as of the 31 of December 2008 The Irish Practical Shooting Association will cease to exist . On behalf of the committee and indeed my self I would like to thank all our members for their support over the last 4 years , the ranges that hosted IPSC matches , MNSI , Castlebridge and Nurney , the Department of Justice for their help and guidance , and all other shooting groups that assisted us over the last number of years .
I would also like to express our gratitude to Boards for allowing us to use this forum to advertise matches etc .

John FitzGerald Regional Director IPSA .

Vegeta

les45 wrote: »

As I had the honour to announce the forming of the IPSA on the sixth of March 2005 I will also take this oppertunity to announce that as of the 31 of December 2008 The Irish Practical Association will cease to exist . On behalf of the committee and indeed my self I would like to thank all our members for their support over the last 4 years , the ranges that hosted IPSC matches , MNSI , Castlebridge and Nurney , the Department of Justice for their help and guidance , and all other shooting groups that assisted us over the last number of years .
I would also like to express our gratitude to Boards for allowing us to use this forum to advertise matches etc .

John FitzGerald Regional Director IPSA .

Gutted for you lads

EDIT: If there's anything you think we could do to help let us know. Probably too late for that but there's a lot of us here who would write a letter or send an e-mail for you guys

bunny shooter

Sorry to hear that it has come to this lads

Reckon in the fullness of time your sacrifice will be recognised. I am a pistol owner and personally I want to say thanks to all concerned for this selfless act .

sfakiaman

This is very sad news for Irish shooting. I'm absolutely gutted.

Jonty

A sad day is right, I'm sorry for ye.

Rovi

It's nothing short of a disgrace that the National Governing Body of an internationally recognised sporting code has been forced into a position from where it had realistically no option but to dissolve itself.

The campaign of disinformation and black propaganda against IPSA and IPSC shooting that led to this is positively repugnant, and those involved should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

Anyone thinking that this will have any effect whatsoever on 'gun crime' is utterly deluded and equally, anyone thinking that this will somehow safeguard other firearms and sporting codes is just as deluded.

Jonty

Rovi wrote: »

Anyone thinking that this will have any effect whatsoever on 'gun crime' is utterly deluded and equally, anyone thinking that this will somehow safeguard other firearms and sporting codes is just as deluded.

IMHO its the beginning of the end.

bunny shooter

Jonty wrote: »

IMHO its the beginning of the end.

+1

les45

Vegeta wrote: »

Gutted for you lads

EDIT: If there's anything you think we could do to help let us know. Probably too late for that but there's a lot of us here who would write a letter or send an e-mail for you guys

Veg . You offer is very welcome , but after two meetings with a very senior Government Minister and reps from the Shooting Groups on the FCP we really were left with no option but to cease all IPSC shooting activities here in Ireland. Considering how bad the roads were yesterday we had a reasonable turn out of members , it was 97% vote to disband from the members that made the journey . A very difficult day for all IPSC shooters in Ireland .

Again thank you for your support ,

John

Gerri

les45 wrote: »

Veg . You offer is very welcome , but after two meetings with a very senior Government Minister and reps from the Shooting Groups on the FCP we really were left with no option but to cease all IPSC shooting activities here in Ireland. Considering how bad the roads were yesterday we had a reasonable turn out of members , it was 97% vote to disband from the members that made the journey . A very difficult day for all IPSC shooters in Ireland .

Again thank you for your support ,

John

Does this mean there will be no more IPSA shoots in Hilltop?

Rovi

Gerri wrote: »

Does this mean there will be no more IPSA shoots in Hilltop?

It means that there will be no more IPSA events anywhere.
The individual ranges still exist of course.

Vegeta

les45 wrote: »

Veg . You offer is very welcome , but after two meetings with a very senior Government Minister and reps from the Shooting Groups on the FCP we really were left with no option but to cease all IPSC shooting activities here in Ireland. Considering how bad the roads were yesterday we had a reasonable turn out of members , it was 97% vote to disband from the members that made the journey . A very difficult day for all IPSC shooters in Ireland .

Again thank you for your support ,

John

How does a sport where Irish competitors participate and travel to international competitions (and doing well, considering the age of the sport in the country) get crushed in such a short space of time.

I am literally dumb founded and extremely saddened by this.

Grizzly 45

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the Department of Justice for their help and guidance

:eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

John,I know you are trying to be magnamious and diplomatic here.

But that from what you and others have said about dealing with "them and a paticular individual in that Dept, who was pushing for us to close up .....Well words fail me......

bunny shooter

Vegeta wrote: »

How does a sport where Irish competitors participate and travel to international competitions (and doing well, considering the age of the sport in the country) get crushed in such a short space of time.

I am literally dumb founded and extremely saddened by this.

They were doing way better than certain other shooting disciplines who will escape this current purge unscathed :mad:

Gun Shy

Well guys and gals just wanted to echo the sentiments expressed by John Fitzgerald in his earlier posting, and to thank all those both nationally and internationally who contributed in no small part to the formation of IPSA, and allowed us achieve such a high level of international recognition and acclaim in such a short time.
A special mention to those members of IPSA who were interested and committed enough to trust us on our foray into IPSC Shooting and who could see the bigger picture a big THANK YOU.
JD Corcoran
Founder Member and First Membership Secretary IPSA

Gerri wrote: »

Does this mean there will be no more IPSA shoots in Hilltop?

There has NEVER been an IPSA shoot in Hilltop

dresden8

Unfortunately now the Minister and the Department can now claim they never banned the IPSA, they voted themselves out of existence.

IRLConor

It's a pity to see the IPSA go after such a short lifespan. Are there any plans to continue up North, on the Isle of Man or further afield?

bunny shooter wrote: »

They were doing way better than certain other shooting disciplines who will escape this current purge unscathed :mad:

Less of the digs please bunny, they aren't going to help the situation. Also, it's far from clear who will and will not lose out in this round of legislative spanking (since the Bill in question hasn't been published yet) so I wouldn't go jumping to conclusions.

packas

dresden8 wrote: »

Unfortunately now the Minister and the Department can now claim they never banned the IPSA, they voted themselves out of existence.

I'm not sure how a Government would legislate to ban a recognised sport.

Just to echo what John & JD said earlier. Thanks to all who supported IPSA & IPSC. Also to the members who voted to disband for the greater good of the sport and shooting sports in general. IPSC will continue to be the largest and most popular shooting sport. It's a sport I will always love. Maybe that was why we were doomed to failure in Ireland...being too polpuar & growing so quickly?

Again thanks to the committee & all committed IPSC shooters.

regards,
Pat.

Rovi

IRLConor wrote: »

It's a pity to see the IPSA go after such a short lifespan. Are there any plans to continue up North, on the Isle of Man or further afield?.

The sport is recognised by governments and supported (both monetarily and institutionally) by official national sports funding bodies all around the world, INCLUDING in that most nannylike of Nanny States, our next door neighbours in the United Kingdom, so the irrational fear being displayed by the powers that be here is all the more puzzling.

Unless the Minister is planning to restrict the right to travel, plenty of people will be carrying on their involvement in the sport in other jurisdictions.

IRLConor

Rovi wrote: »

Unless the Minister is planning to restrict the right to travel, plenty of people will be carrying on their involvement in the sport in other jurisdictions.

Good to hear they're not giving up altogether.

Grizzly 45

Kind of a question of jump or being pushed folks.:(
Personally,I am going to see if I can continue up in NI or Germany.

Bananaman

There literally was no choice but to disband - we were given the choice to disband IPSA and continue pistol shooting in Ireland or keep IPSA and see a total abolition of all pistol and revolver shooting disciplines.

Not really what I would refer to as a choice.

So, as it stands today, IPSA is still suspending all activities and will cease to exist, at the end of the year.

There's nothing to say but that it is a sorry state of affairs.
As Rovi said - those that brought this situation about should be ashamed of themselves

The Pistol and Revolver Shooting Sports in Ireland continue.

B'Man

BoxOfTruth

As a grass roots member of IPSA, at least till the end of the year :-( , I would like to thank John, all commitee members, instructors, coaches and RO's for the massive effort they have all put into our sport over the last few years.

rrpc

bunny shooter wrote: »

They were doing way better than certain other shooting disciplines who will escape this current purge unscathed :mad:

Could you back that up with facts bunny? I'm always happy to hear where Irish shooters are doing well abroad.

Sparks

I think we can leave the usual ISSF/IPSC scrap to one side for this thread guys. You'd be trying to compare chalk and a range of cheeses anyway.

rrpc

Sparks wrote: »

I think we can leave the usual ISSF/IPSC scrap to one side for this thread guys. You'd be trying to compare chalk and a range of cheeses anyway.

I like cheese

Sorry, I wasn't trying to cause a scrap, just looking for some good news.. anywhere..

bunny shooter

rrpc wrote: »

Could you back that up with facts bunny? I'm always happy to hear where Irish shooters are doing well abroad.

Yes, but "..............I think we can leave the usual ISSF/IPSC scrap to one side for this thread guys."

Now we all know chalk is very tasteless, whereas, cheese can be quite tasteful, especially to those who reckon they are superior to others 'cause they know one from the other. But chalk could be very good for aiding an upset stomach when your feeling sick especially after eating too much cheese.

Sparks

Hey, if you want to go have a scrap, that's what the Thunderdome was created for. In here though, it'd be like a pissing contest at a funeral.

Double-Alpha

rrpc wrote: »

Could you back that up with facts bunny? I'm always happy to hear where Irish shooters are doing well abroad.

Let us not turn this thread into a bitching slaging match.

RRPC, what I hope Bunny was trying to say is that the IPSA guys were getting out there in the IPSC international arena and flying the Irish Flag with pride and respect

For the very, very short time that a few of the IPSA guys were travelling abroad shooting in international competitions and acting as Range Officers at some of these matches, they earned the respect of all their fellow competitors and officials

Let us not forget that at each international match they attended and competed in, they improved in their finishing positions culminating in the first ever and probably the last Presidents Medal for winning the Standard Senior division in the UK Open by our very own Paul Smith. Let us not forget the guys that represented Ireland in the European Championships in France in 2007 and this year for the World Championships in Bali, Indonesia, all funded by the individuals themselves, well done all.

The IPSA guys should be extremely proud of themselves for their achievements. It’s a very great pity that this fantastic sport has been stopped before it even got to its prime

I had hoped to apply for and complete the IPSA safety and competition course in early 2009 but alas this is not to be

I enjoyed reading all the IPSA related threads & reports on boards and had some good arguments and matter of facts thrown back at me, great fun, I will miss it all terribly

Double Alpha

Kryten

well, the only pistol shooting where Irish shooters are doing really well is the PPC1500. As we all know, one particular shooter, and his father, always bring back international medals. We have a good up and coming squad of guys who are getting good scores and would seriously kick ass in their clasifications in WA1500 competition in any country. All this with centerfire pistols and revolvers, which Ahearn in his tunnel vision rose tinted spectacles wants to ban. I will be sending an e-mail to him and the taoiseach, for all the good it will do. I also like doing Practical and am very sad to see it's demise.

cooperjeff9

Double-Alpha wrote: »

Let us not turn this thread into a bitching slaging match.

RRPC, what I hope Bunny was trying to say is that the IPSA guys were getting out there in the IPSC international arena and flying the Irish Flag with pride and respect

For the very, very short time that a few of the IPSA guys were travelling abroad shooting in international competitions and acting as Range Officers at some of these matches, they earned the respect of all their fellow competitors and officials

Let us not forget that at each international match they attended and competed in, they improved in their finishing positions culminating in the first ever and probably the last Presidents Medal for winning the Standard Senior division in the UK Open by our very own Paul Smith. Let us not forget the guys that represented Ireland in the European Championships in France in 2007 and this year for the World Championships in Bali, Indonesia, all funded by the individuals themselves, well done all.

The IPSA guys should be extremely proud of themselves for their achievements. It’s a very great pity that this fantastic sport has been stopped before it even got to its prime

I had hoped to apply for and complete the IPSA safety and competition course in early 2009 but alas this is not to be

I enjoyed reading all the IPSA related threads & reports on boards and had some good arguments and matter of facts thrown back at me, great fun, I will miss it all terribly

Double Alpha

Pretty sure the IPSA funded the shooters at the Euro Championships and possibly the World Shoot in Bali also. Don't think the membership of IPSA were asked if they agreed to IPSA money being used in this way but the financial support was given anyway. More shooters would probably have gone to France and Bali if they were aware funding was available:(. Supposedly cost over six grand for the France trip, God knows what Bali cost.

macnas

cooperjeff9 wrote: »

Pretty sure the IPSA funded the shooters at the Euro Championships and possibly the World Shoot in Bali also. Don't think the membership of IPSA were asked if they agreed to IPSA money being used in this way but the financial support was given anyway. More shooters would probably have gone to France and Bali if they were aware funding was available:(. Supposedly cost over six grand for the France trip, God knows what Bali cost.

That sounds like a question you should have asked at the EGM, you were there. Not happy that the IPSA is gone, we all have to take a pi$$ on it now.

packas

cooperjeff9 wrote: »

Pretty sure the IPSA funded the shooters at the Euro Championships and possibly the World Shoot in Bali also. Don't think the membership of IPSA were asked if they agreed to IPSA money being used in this way but the financial support was given anyway. More shooters would probably have gone to France and Bali if they were aware funding was available:(. Supposedly cost over six grand for the France trip, God knows what Bali cost.

Cooperjeff9. I went to France as part of the Irish Standard Division Team. The whole trip cost me about 2500 Euro. IPSA didn't give me a penny & rightly so. Stop trying to stir it up. As Macnas said you could have brought this up at the EGM or even the AGM just gone. Why try to stir it up now on a public forum?

V Bull

cooperjeff9 wrote: »

Pretty sure the IPSA funded the shooters at the Euro Championships and possibly the World Shoot in Bali also. Don't think the membership of IPSA were asked if they agreed to IPSA money being used in this way but the financial support was given anyway. More shooters would probably have gone to France and Bali if they were aware funding was available:(. Supposedly cost over six grand for the France trip, God knows what Bali cost.

I too, was a member of the Standard IPSA team that went to both France & Bali representing the IPSA and Ireland at my own expence. Not a penny was given to me from IPSA.

I think you are trying it on cooperjeff9, whats your problem!!!!!!!

Rovi

Folks, sundry antis have done a comprehensive hatchet job on the IPSA, let's not lower ourselves to the same level by pissing on the corpse.

Please read the stickys at the top of the forum, particularly the two posted by DeVore.

packas

Rovi wrote: »

Folks, sundry antis have done a comprehensive hatchet job on the IPSA, let's not lower ourselves to the same level by pissing on the corpse.

Please read the stickys at the top of the forum, particularly the two posted by DeVore.

Thanks Rovi.

les45

cooperjeff9 wrote: »

Pretty sure the IPSA funded the shooters at the Euro Championships and possibly the World Shoot in Bali also. Don't think the membership of IPSA were asked if they agreed to IPSA money being used in this way but the financial support was given anyway. More shooters would probably have gone to France and Bali if they were aware funding was available:(. Supposedly cost over six grand for the France trip, God knows what Bali cost.

For the sake of clarity and with respect to both squads , the lads paid their own way , flights , ammo , car hire , B&B etc . To suggest otherwise is to say the least " interesting " .

John

Rovi

Thanks for the clarification John.

Let this be an end to this particular line of comment, attempts to continue it will be viewed as sh1t-stirring and will be dealt with as such.

G17

macnas wrote: »

That sounds like a question you should have asked at the EGM

+1

Shame on anyone for making unfounded allegations in a public forum simply to smear the good name of others. The shooting community needs people who'll stand tall and speak their minds, not lurk in the bushes spitting bile. If I was a shooter who'd spent so much time and money to travel to represent our country, I'd have a tear in my eye this morning to think that a fellow sportsperson would stoop so low to kick me when I'm down.

edit - Just read Rovi's post, after I'd posted mine. Delete my post mods.

Rovi

G17 wrote: »

edit - Just read Rovi's post, after I'd posted mine. Delete my post mods.

Fair enough, our posts went up almost simultaneously, so I'll leave it stand.

The 'Sh1t-stirring' prohibition is in effect from here on.