RTE Sports Awards

fatgav

Nomination list for this years awards is out and Kenny is on it

http://www.rte.ie/sport/rtesportsawards2008.html

Now personally I think if the award doesn't go to Harrington it's a shambles. The man has had an amazing season. I know RTE don't do a 1-2-3 so there's no runner up prize for Kenny, if I was the jury.

However, can anyone explain to me why Ireland's amateur boxers aren't nominated for team of the year?!?! That's a disgrace.

walshb

Hey, surely if you are posting this on a boxing site, at least try and nominate a boxer for the award? Katie Taylor is IMO much more deserving. She actually is WC in a SPORT. Golf?

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Hey, surely if you are posting this on a boxing site, at least try and nominate a boxer for the award? Katie Taylor is IMO much more deserving. She actually is WC in a SPORT. Golf?

He should pick whoever he feels is most deserving which in his opinion is Padraig Harrington, it's a view that is probably held by most of the nation.

fatgav

walshb - Katie Taylor and Egan had a fine year and each desere to be nominated. I plumped for Harringotn because he became the first European to ever win two successive Majors in one year and is quite possibly the finest Irish athlete of all time. You can disagree and I respect that, but it's my opinion.

My point is on team of the year where I felt that Ireland's boxers would most deserve to be recognised but have not even been nominated. That's where my beef lies.

Big Ears

fatgav wrote: »

walshb - Katie Taylor and Egan had a fine year and each desere to be nominated. I plumped for Harringotn because he became the first European to ever win two successive Majors in one year and is quite possibly the finest Irish athlete of all time. You can disagree and I respect that, but it's my opinion.

My point is on team of the year where I felt that Ireland's boxers would most deserve to be recognised but have not even been nominated. That's where my beef lies.

If you had said Sportsman here I'd have no problem(unlike Washb I consider Golf a legitimate sport), but there is a difference between a sportsman and an athlete. Harrington imo is not an 'athlete', he is not athletic as such. His game requires much more the element of skill than athletic ability.

megadodge

Fatgav, boxing is not a team sport.

That's all there is to it.

I know when they went to the Olympics they fostered a 'team spirit' and obviously supported each other and were (relatively speaking) phenomonally successful, but when it boils down to it boxing is about as individual a game as you can get.

I agree with Big Ears on the 'athlete' comment though. And I like Harrington a lot - even though he's a golfer

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

He should pick whoever he feels is most deserving which in his opinion is Padraig Harrington, it's a view that is probably held by most of the nation.

Eh, no, IMO I am proud that we have a boxing forum and I want boxers to do well; so if anyone wants to POST a thread nominating a sports award, I feel it we should be at least try to be a little loyal to our great boxing heroes.
No disrespect to fatgav at all. I just am passionate in this belief. I can bet you you wouldn't see a boxer being nominated in the GOLF forum!
I say lets support our own, at least on the boxing forum. What is wrong about supporting and wanting our own to do well. I can't apologise for this

It would be like driving into a FORD factory looking for a job and driving a BMW to the interview.
Not really all that inspiring or loyal is it? Or working in say Intel and poncing around the campus
wearing a Microsoft t-shirt.

Hey, by all means, if you really think Harrington is worthy, vote that way; but don't be promoting it on the boxing threads.
BTW, fatgav, this is not a snipe at you at all. It's simply something
I am passionate about.

Same with guys joining box clubs to JUST train?

I don't agree at all at all with this and it should NOT
be allowed

Also, fatgav, you have a valid point about Ireland's boxers for team of the year.
Although it is ULTIMATELY an individual sport, they did go and promote themselves
as a team. It's a team with individual participants. So, I think they should be nominated!

Also, Katie is double world champ, unbeaten for so long and the best p4p fighter
in amateur boxing. If that doesn't deserve it, I don't know what does!

Oh, and in the worlds TOUGHEST sport!

ROCKMAN

walshb wrote: »

Eh, no, IMO I am proud that we have a boxing forum and I want boxers to do well; so if anyone wants to POST a thread nominating a sports award, I feel it we should be at least try to be a little loyal to our great boxing heroes.
No disrespect to fatgav at all. I just am passionate in this belief. I can bet you you wouldn't see a boxer being nominated in the GOLF forum!
I say lets support our own, at least on the boxing forum. What is wrong about supporting and wanting our own to do well. I can't apologise for this

It would be like driving into a FORD factory looking for a job and driving a BMW to the interview.
Not really all that inspiring or loyal is it? Or working in say Intel and poncing around the campus
wearing a Microsoft t-shirt.

Hey, by all means, if you really think Harrington is worthy, vote that way; but don't be promoting it on the boxing threads.
BTW, fatgav, this is not a snipe at you at all. It's simply something
I am passionate about.

Same with guys joining box clubs to JUST train?

I don't agree at all at all with this and it should NOT
be allowed

Also, fatgav, you have a valid point about Ireland's boxers for team of the year.
Although it is ULTIMATELY an individual sport, they did go and promote themselves
as a team. It's a team with individual participants. So, I think they should be nominated!

Also, Katie is double world champ, unbeaten for so long and the best p4p fighter
in amateur boxing. If that doesn't deserve it, I don't know what does!

Oh, and in the worlds TOUGHEST sport![/QUOTE]

I totally agree , AND If Katie does not win I think that would be a joke.


OP maybe you should have worded the thread abit different ie boxing team first and your own views

Chicky

Aww and it's not even one the public can vote on even though there's supicious looking links that lead to some secure rte thingy

bummer

sligobhoy67

megadodge wrote: »

Fatgav, boxing is not a team sport.

That's all there is to it.

I know when they went to the Olympics they fostered a 'team spirit' and obviously supported each other and were (relatively speaking) phenomonally successful, but when it boils down to it boxing is about as individual a game as you can get.

I agree with Big Ears on the 'athlete' comment though. And I like Harrington a lot - even though he's a golfer

its not often but I totally disagree wit ya megadodge.

boxing is a tream support. we fight internationally as a team and the boxing tsquad went to Beijing as a team. Just because they compete individually doesnt mean they arent a team.

walshb

Sligo; let's be real. It has some, I say some, element of 'team' about it; but ultimately I would say boxing is the strictest and most INDIVIDUAL sport on the planet. I know there is a team element around it, as there is around EVERY individual sport, Tennis, Athletics, Weightlifting, wrestling etc; but when it counts, the guys and gals are all ALONE.

So although the lads went to China as a 'team,' each man was an strict individula once that bell rang; but still I would let them be nominated
as the BEST team in China. I am being compromising in this instance

Mikel

walshb wrote: »

Same with guys joining box clubs to JUST train?
I don't agree at all at all with this and it should NOT
be allowed

Apologies if off topic but WTF? That strikes me as an odd thing to say

Also, Katie is double world champ, unbeaten for so long and the best p4p fighter
in amateur boxing. If that doesn't deserve it, I don't know what does

How does Egan's achievement match up against Taylors? I know Taylor finished first but does the fact the pool is larger in Egans case not come into it?

Oh, and in the worlds TOUGHEST sport!

What, she wrestles too? :pac:
Seriously, I don't know how one could judge such a thing (toughest sport I mean)

sligobhoy67

walshb wrote: »

Sligo; let's be real. It has some, I say some, element of 'team' about it; but ultimately I would say boxing is the strictest and most INDIVIDUAL sport on the planet. I know there is a team element around it, as there is around EVERY individual sport, Tennis, Athletics, Weightlifting, wrestling etc; but when it counts, the guys and gals are all ALONE.

So although the lads went to China as a 'team,' each man was an strict individula once that bell rang; but still I would let them be nominated
as the BEST team in China. I am being compromising in this instance

who are the previous winner of the RTE team award?

I know that teams what wernt strictly "teams" won the team award on the BBC one.

Thats a lot of the word "team" in one sentance

http://www.tribune.ie/sport/other-sport/article/2008/nov/23/one-on-one-billy-walsh-irish-boxing-team-head-coac/

cowzerp

Mikel wrote: »

What, she wrestles too? :pac:
Seriously, I don't know how one could judge such a thing (toughest sport I mean)

Im not been smart but boxing is the most dangerous combat sport in the world, its the only combat sport where deaths happen fairly regularly, MMA has only ever had 1 death, its tough and aggressive but Boxing is the toughest, Boxing is the most dangerous part of MMA anyway.

and i compete MMA all the time so know what im talking about.

cowzerp

Im not been smart but boxing is the most dangerous combat sport in the world, its the only combat sport where deaths happen fairly regularly, MMA has only ever had 1 death, its tough and aggressive but Boxing is the toughest, Boxing is the most dangerous part of MMA anyway. just because there are more ways to win does not make it TOUGHER.

and i compete MMA all the time so know what im talking about.

sligobhoy67

cowzerp wrote: »

Im not been smart but boxing is the most dangerous combat sport in the world, its the only combat sport where deaths happen fairly regularly, MMA has only ever had 1 death, its tough and aggressive but Boxing is the toughest, Boxing is the most dangerous part of MMA anyway. just because there are more ways to win does not make it TOUGHER.

and i compete MMA all the time so know what im talking about.

yeah we heard ya the first time

Mikel

cowzerp wrote: »

Im not been smart but boxing is the most dangerous combat sport in the world, its the only combat sport where deaths happen fairly regularly, MMA has only ever had 1 death, its tough and aggressive but Boxing is the toughest, Boxing is the most dangerous part of MMA anyway. just because there are more ways to win does not make it TOUGHER

You may or not be right in what you say but since when does the number of deaths determine 'toughest' whatever that means?
Not being smart either btw,
Usually the argument about deaths in boxing is usually spun the other way....

megadodge

boxing is a team support. we fight internationally as a team and the boxing tsquad went to Beijing as a team. Just because they compete individually doesnt mean they arent a team.

Not being smart here, but if it's a team sport, what boxing team won the gold in Bejing ?

The only medals are for individuals !

megadodge

I'd say what Paul means by 'toughest' is that boxers are subject to more punishment than any other sport. And I agree.

Outside of the obvious skills and conditioning boxing necessitates incredible durability, discipline and self-belief, far more so than most other sports.

sligobhoy67

megadodge wrote: »

Not being smart here, but if it's a team sport, what boxing team won the gold in Bejing ?

The only medals are for individuals !

I dont think that that matters. They are a team. The BBC Sports personality award for a team was awarded to the Olympic Three Day Eventing team in 1972, British men's Swimming team in 1976, British Olympic Modern Pentathlon team in 1976, British Olympic men's Athletics squad in 1989 and Team GB Olympic and Paralympic teams in 2000. None of those are "teams" that win medals.

Mikel

megadodge wrote: »

I'd say what Paul means by 'toughest' is that boxers are subject to more punishment than any other sport. And I agree.
Outside of the obvious skills and conditioning boxing necessitates incredible durability, discipline and self-belief, far more so than most other sports.

Not undermining boxers in any way but you could say the same about some other sports (Judo, Greco Roman, mma etc)
I know the original comment was maybe somewhat tongue in cheek, but I really find it an interesting question (and I don't think there's any definitive answer)
Aren't amateur boxing and pro different sports too?

megadodge

Well I'll put that down to the flexibility and looseness of the parameters, cos there's no team event in swimming or athletics either (relays excepted).

fatgav

wow i've started a discussion here!

allow me to elaborate on my opening post. I didn't come here to promote harrington. I feel he deserves the award above all other irish sportspeople (yes, that's a better term than athlete - hands up there) for 2008.

HOWEVER, this has been one of the best year's for Ireland's boxers ever. We sent five guys to an Olympics and won three medals. Only the eventual Champs beat our guys. Aside from that we won medals in the World Youths in Mexico and Katie's win last week as well. In fact, Irish boxers won medals in every international tournament we entered this year. THAT is a phenomenal achievement and, though the medals were won by individuals, these achievements are also those of a team. I feel PH will win the individual award which means that it is probable, after such a year, that our boxers will leave the biggest sports awards show in the country empty handed, despite showing up every other sport in the country in 2008. They're not even nominated for that, and IMO that is a major oversight on the part of RTE and whoever else was involved in drawing up the shortlist. Hope that's a lot clearer.

walshb

Mikel wrote: »

Apologies if off topic but WTF? That strikes me as an odd thing to say



How does Egan's achievement match up against Taylors? I know Taylor finished first but does the fact the pool is larger in Egans case not come into it?


What, she wrestles too? :pac:
Seriously, I don't know how one could judge such a thing (toughest sport I mean)

Odd thing to say?

It's a boxing club. I simply am saying that if you do NOT intend
to compete, then forget about a boxing club. It is a boxing club
for a reason. Now, does that clear it up?

walshb

Taylor is double world champ and unbeaten for many years. Kenny is a silver medalist.
One is a WINNER, the other, a 'LOSER!'

walshb

fatgav wrote: »

wow i've started a discussion here!

allow me to elaborate on my opening post. I didn't come here to promote harrington. I feel he deserves the award above all other irish sportspeople (yes, that's a better term than athlete - hands up there) for 2008.

HOWEVER, this has been one of the best year's for Ireland's boxers ever. We sent five guys to an Olympics and won three medals. Only the eventual Champs beat our guys. Aside from that we won medals in the World Youths in Mexico and Katie's win last week as well. In fact, Irish boxers won medals in every international tournament we entered this year. THAT is a phenomenal achievement and, though the medals were won by individuals, these achievements are also those of a team. I feel PH will win the individual award which means that it is probable, after such a year, that our boxers will leave the biggest sports awards show in the country empty handed, despite showing up every other sport in the country in 2008. They're not even nominated for that, and IMO that is a major oversight on the part of RTE and whoever else was involved in drawing up the shortlist. Hope that's a lot clearer.

I have ZERO problem with anyone thinking Harrington is the better choice, I don't agree; but this is a democracy and I respect your opinion. Where I saw the problem was to post the thread on a BOXING forum and 'promote' Harrington. Hey, it's not illegal or anything; I am just a little 'funny' like that. By all means go and vote for Harrington, but on this site I think we should be promoting and pushing for Taylor to get the award.

megadodge

Mikel wrote: »

Not undermining boxers in any way but you could say the same about some other sports (Judo, Greco Roman, mma etc)
I know the original comment was maybe somewhat tongue in cheek, but I really find it an interesting question (and I don't think there's any definitive answer)
Aren't amateur boxing and pro different sports too?

Well I'm talking pro boxing here and none of those you mentioned go TWELVE three minute rounds.

In that time there is consistent punishment dished out over a much longer duration, which is probably why you get more boxers having health problems after they retire than wrestlers, etc.

I don't even think it's close.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Taylor is double world champ and unbeaten for many years. Kenny is a silver medalist.
One is a WINNER, the other, a 'LOSER!'

Don't forget that after the Seoul Olympics, Roy Jones was a 'loser' too, yet he still won the best boxer award.

Obviously Katie has won much more in her sport than Egan has in his, however Egan's is clearly tougher with both a much higher number of participants and the overall quality being much greater.

With all taken into account Taylor imo is the better choice, however just because Egan has accomplished less in his sport doesn't mean he should be discounted. Bohemians may have won the double this season and Arsenal nothing last season, but you wouldn't fancy Bohs to beat Arsenal.
Sure Bohs had more success in their own environment but that environment is clearly weaker and this should be taken into account.


Basically you're argument is too simplistic, and as bad as me saying Egan has won an Olympic Silver medal and Taylor has no Olympic medal. That of course would be grossly unfair on the girl.

walshb

My post wasn't meant to demean Egan. I just mentioned it to separate the two.
Taylor is the best p4p boxer on the planet and the POOL in womens
boxing has increased an awful lot. Didn't she win 5 bouts to win the title and against
some big big countries?

Bottom line is that Egan didn't win all that much on the WORLD stage! Great amateur and great ambassador and fantastic fighter; but Taylor is simply the best of the best This separates them I'm afraid!

Taylor cannot win an Olympic medal; but two world titles and two Europeans as well
as p4p best and unbeaten for so long; says it all really

T-K-O

Wow it is a slow day in work... Just a few things.

Hate or Love golf Harringtons achievements winning the opens are second to none, not even an Olympic gold comes close - and saying otherwise is down to a lack of knowledge about the game of golf and just how difficult it is to win an open.

Also it is much more difficult for Egan to win an Olympic gold compared to Taylors WC

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Wow it is a slow day in work... Just a few things.

Hate or Love golf Harringtons achievements winning the opens are second to none, not even an Olympic gold comes close - and saying otherwise is down to a lack of knowledge about the game of golf and just how difficult it is to win an open.

Also it is much more difficult for Egan to win an Olympic gold compared to Taylors WC

I'm convinced you are stalking me:D
Anyway, if you really believe that winning a few majors in golf is so great, why don't you go onto the GOLF forum and promote Harrington. I think here, we should be proud and we should be
pushing Taylor or Egan for the award. Golf to me is a difficult and skillful GAME; but a game. It does not come close to boxing in any TERMS and double WC, unbeaten, p4p best and a wonderful personality, despite my criticism of her commentary in the Olympics, is streets ahead of any golfer. Lets promote Katie for this. This is after all, a boxing forum!

Winning an olympic GOLD may well be more difficult; but Taylor has won two WC golds and is unbeaten for so long.

T-K-O

Stalking no - we seem to be the only guys posting..

I don't like getting into debates like this as it is unfair on Katie IMO.

Her achievements are amazing and I really hope she can get her hands on a gold medal and that would be the crowning glory but for me personally Kennys win just about tops WC wins. Lets face it the mens game is much more competitive. That takes nothing away from KT she blows the opposition away and is a credit to our country.

Harringtons major wins top the lot IMO - This may the the wrong place but Im just replying to the thread.

To win a major is unbelievable to win back to back is off the charts.

eagle eye

I'd love to see Kenny Egan get the big award but he will get some award there but theres no doubt that the big award will go to a golfer.

Katie might well get female award.

Mikel

walshb wrote: »

Odd thing to say?

It's a boxing club. I simply am saying that if you do NOT intend
to compete, then forget about a boxing club. It is a boxing club
for a reason. Now, does that clear it up?

Still think it's odd, Oisin Fagan for example took up boxing with no intention of competing, it supplemented his football training.
Every sport is a numbers game, I just think you might be cutting off your nose to spite your face is all, but to each their own and all that.

megadodge wrote:

Well I'm talking pro boxing here and none of those you mentioned go TWELVE three minute rounds.
In that time there is consistent punishment dished out over a much longer duration, which is probably why you get more boxers having health problems after they retire than wrestlers, etc.
I don't even think it's close.

But does duration determine toughness?
I was thinking about it some more and the toughest sport I can come up with is professional cycling, 3 weeks of 5-6 hours a day cycling up and down mountains. Drugs or no, that's insane.
All opinion obviously

megadodge

While I agree it's all just opinion, I cannot believe the old myth of 'cycling is the toughest sport in the world' is still doing the rounds.

Cycling is all about stamina (and drugs of course) and once you've built up a high level of it doing all those miles isn't actually that difficult (relatively speaking).

I'm not slagging you off here, but have you ever boxed competitively ?
I have and I've done a lot of cycling (not competitively) and my father who turned 70 recently cycles a 30-40 mile ride every month or two, something he can do very easily and prepares for by just cycling uptown 2 or 3 times a day.

I couldn't imagine him doing 1 minute boxing !!

That's the difference.

Someone said once that boxing is like running a marathon while being beaten with a stick. He was right.

raven136

megadodge wrote: »

While I agree it's all just opinion, I cannot believe the old myth of 'cycling is the toughest sport in the world' is still doing the rounds.

Cycling is all about stamina (and drugs of course) and once you've built up a high level of it doing all those miles isn't actually that difficult (relatively speaking).

I'm not slagging you off here, but have you ever boxed competitively ?
I have and I've done a lot of cycling (not competitively) and my father who turned 70 recently cycles a 30-40 mile ride every month or two, something he can do very easily and prepares for by just cycling uptown 2 or 3 times a day.

I couldn't imagine him doing 1 minute boxing !!

That's the difference.

Someone said once that boxing is like running a marathon while being beaten with a stick. He was right.

ah here now:D
im no cycling fan but even a slight bit of research shows that the tour de france is incredible and takes more than a few cycles up the town to prepare for:D

Harrington will and should win it.He went out and won two majors agaisnt the best in the world in his chosen sport.He was in the main man for a while and thats totally deserving of the award.
Katie Taylor should run him close but we know she wont and rte will more than likely give any female award to a cork footballer or camogie player:mad:

megadodge

raven136 wrote: »

ah here now:D
im no cycling fan but even a slight bit of research shows that the tour de france is incredible and takes more than a few cycles up the town to prepare for:D

You're completely missing my point.... or maybe you're not, hence the smileys.

Everything is relative, and I was using an old man very comfortably cycling 40 miles but who wouldn't be let next to near a boxing ring as an example.

If you actually researched what a 'world class' boxer goes through just to get into shape for a big fight not to mind the actual fight itself, the debate would end pretty quickly.

Put it this way, if a boxer had to take up cycling and a cyclist take up boxing who do you honestly think would find it easier ?

Mikel

I don't think you're comparing like with like.
I've gotten into a boxing ring and messed around, similar to someone messing on a bike.
You can't compare what I do in a ring to a boxer, just as you can't compare what your da does to a pro cycling up and down the alps every day or so for 3 weeks.
I regard it as tough because they do it day after day after day.

megadodge wrote:

If you actually researched what a 'world class' boxer goes through just to get into shape for a big fight not to mind the actual fight itself, the debate would end pretty quickly

I know a little bit about it, but that brings me back to my original point, contrast their training with a wrestlers or mmaers and I'd say they're probably similar.
Guys who train more than one would have an insight, but it strikes me that they'd have to be pretty similar at the top level.
My reasoning being that if say mma was 'easier' in that regard, there would be some slack or room for more in their preparation. And seeing that it's such a competitive sport that slack would soon disappear.
Speaking for myself, Ive always found boxing training easier than wrestling, though I've done both at a pretty mediocre level so maybe that doesn't count for much.

Again, I'm not looking for a pissing contest or anything, I just find it interesting.
I suppose it's pointless asking is boxing tougher than mma, it's like asking is Barrerra tougher than Couture, no wait Audley Harrison or Couture.
Actually it's obvious now:pac:

walshb

raven136 wrote: »

ah here now:D
im no cycling fan but even a slight bit of research shows that the tour de france is incredible and takes more than a few cycles up the town to prepare for:D

Harrington will and should win it.He went out and won two majors agaisnt the best in the world in his chosen sport.He was in the main man for a while and thats totally deserving of the award.
Katie Taylor should run him close but we know she wont and rte will more than likely give any female award to a cork footballer or camogie player:mad:

Raven, no disrespect meant, but if you want Harrington to win so badly, then go OVER to the GOLF forum and nominate him. I think I'll close this bloody thread:rolleyes:

As for cycling and boxing. Cycling is a relatively simple sport, action wise. You simply cycle and cycle and cycle. A bit like running. It's damn tough and stamina sapping; but there is more to sport than JUST stamina and endurance; which boxing requires in abundance also. There is no comparison IMO, Boxing is simply the worlds toughest sport

Look at this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

walshb

Mikel wrote: »

Still think it's odd, Oisin Fagan for example took up boxing with no intention of competing, it supplemented his football training.
Every sport is a numbers game, I just think you might be cutting off your nose to spite your face is all, but to each their own and all that.


But does duration determine toughness?
I was thinking about it some more and the toughest sport I can come up with is professional cycling, 3 weeks of 5-6 hours a day cycling up and down mountains. Drugs or no, that's insane.
All opinion obviously

Fagan does box so it's not really a relative example.

Look, you want to get fit and train; join a bloody gym. If you want to get
fit and train and BOX, join a boxing club. It's a boxing club, not a gym!

I have said before that the only exception I would make is where a
man says he does not want to box; but he is a valuable member of the club
in other ways. Example would be a very decent sparring partner or maybe
a guy who keeps the gym in tip top shape. But, simply a man who comes up
and uses the gym and equipment to 'get fit,' no, I wouldn't accept that!

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

Fagan does box so it's not really a relative example.

Look, you want to get fit and train; join a bloody gym. If you want to get
fit and train and BOX, join a boxing club. It's a boxing club, not a gym!

I have said before that the only exception I would make is where a
man says he does not want to box; but he is a valuable member of the club
in other ways. Example would be a very decent sparring partner or maybe
a guy who keeps the gym in tip top shape. But, simply a man who comes up
and uses the gym and equipment to 'get fit,' no, I wouldn't accept that!

What if a dude is simple not good enough to get into the ring ? Should the club hand him the p45 and show him the door.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

What if a dude is simple not good enough to get into the ring ? Should the club hand him the p45 and show him the door.

YES. It is not a gym, nor a charity. It's a boxing club for boxers and it's a serious business.
End of!

BTW, I am not alone in this view. My own club would NOT accept
anyone in the gym unless they were willing to compete. It's grossly unfair to those competing lads. This is a serious sport and requires serious effort and time and commitment!

Again, the criteria I mentioned in my previous post still stands!

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

YES. It is not a gym, nor a charity. It's a boxing club for boxers and it's a serious business.
End of!

BTW, I am not alone in this view. My own club would NOT accept
anyone in the gym unless they were willing to compete. It's grossly unfair to those competing lads. This is a serious sport and requires serious effort and time and commitment!

Again, the criteria I mentioned in my previous post still stands!

I've been in gym and some of the most dedicated guys simply can not box at a competitive level should we make these guys fight.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

I've been in gym and some of the most dedicated guys simply can not box at a competitive level should we make these guys fight.

What???

Should we make these guys fight?

This is a free world here. Nobody has to or should have
to do anything against their will. You are making an argument or discussion
from nothing.

Look, it's simple. You join a boxing club to freaking BOX. You join a gym to get fit.

What is hard to understand about this. No ifs, buts, whats etc etc.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

What???

Should we make these guys fight?

This is a free world here. Nobody has to or should have
to do anything against their will. You are making an argument or discussion
from nothing.

Look, it's simple. You join a boxing club to freaking BOX. You join a gym to get fit.

What is hard to understand about this. No ifs, buts, whats etc etc.

Black or white, right - wrong

What about the guys that are not good enough?? If you box I know you would have seen those guys around.

walshb

TKO buddy, am I speaking Chinese.

Look, for the last time, If you join a BOXING club, you
join it to BOX, getting fit comes with the JOB.

Now, if you say to the trainer, I want to join but I will not
be competing; he/she should simply say "No."

The only, and I mean ONLY time an exception should be made is when
that person can commit to the criteria I mentioned. BTW, that is
just MY criteria. An actual trainer may say NO NO NO; unless
you are going to compete; and I would not diss' him/her for this attitude.

I am not going to post a long comment explaining WHY this view should
be accepted.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

TKO buddy, am I speaking Chinese.

Look, for the last time, If you join a BOXING club, you
join it to BOX, getting fit comes with the JOB.

Now, if you say to the trainer, I want to join but I will not
be competing; he/she should simply say "No."

The only, and I mean ONLY time an exception should be made is when
that person can commit to the criteria I mentioned. BTW, that is
just MY criteria. An actual trainer may say NO NO NO; unless
you are going to compete; and I would not diss' him/her for this attitude.

I am not going to post a long comment explaining WHY this view should
be accepted.

And you shouldn't it wouldn't make a difference. I'm talking about dudes that join clubs and are found wanting, simply not good enough to compete. If those guys have an interest and dedication to the sport of course they should be allowed to train.

walshb

No, they should NOT be allowed to stay. It's a bloody boxing club.
Holy ****. So, if a boxing club has ten boxers and ten guys who can't box?
What then?

Do those ten non boxrers deserve the time and effort and use of the limited equipment that
the actual boxers need? Are you serious.

Paul, if you are reading, maybe you could chime in on this.

A boxing club is there for boxing and competition. You obviously never have
boxed.I left a club for that same reason, fellas joining, not boxing, taking up space and equipment and my training was suffering; and I was the bloody one getting in the ring
taking punches. I went to a different club and NONE of this was allowed, any you know what? This club was damn successful.

For the final time, my criteria still applies. Should the NON boxers
become a VALUABLE asset to the club, YES, I would make an exception.
Otherwise, OUT OUT OUT!

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

No, they should NOT be allowed to stay. It's a bloody boxing club.
Holy ****. So, if a boxing club has ten boxers and ten guys who can't box?
What then?

Do those ten non boxrers deserve the time and effort and use of the limited equipment that
the actual boxers need? Are you serious.

Paul, if you are reading, maybe you could chime in on this.

A boxing club is there for boxing and competition. You obviously never have
boxed.I left a club for that same reason, fellas joining, not boxing, taking up space and equipment and my training was suffering; and I was the bloody one getting in the ring
taking punches. I went to a different club and NONE of this was allowed, any you know what? This club was damn successful.

For the final time, my criteria still applies. Should the NON boxers
become a VALUABLE asset to the club, YES, I would make an exception.
Otherwise, OUT OUT OUT!

Who pissed in your cornflakes. You are talking extremes. Obviously a well run club would not allow itself to be taken over by these guys and of course I can see how that situation would be frustrating, but Ive seen it myself in a few clubs they always have one or two guys who are simply not good enough to compete and are allowed to train - the guys Ive see never take up any time, a trainer may humor them and speak with then for a few seconds at best.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Who pissed in your cornflakes. You are talking extremes. Obviously a well run club would not allow itself to be taken over by these guys and of course I can see how that situation would be frustrating, but Ive seen it myself in a few clubs they always have one or two guys who are simply not good enough to compete and are allowed to train - the guys Ive see never take up any time, a trainer may humor them and speak with then for a few seconds at best.

Hey, I can see where you are coming from. I just am a little firmer
on the issue. It is not IMO a gray area. It's black and white with the obvious
exceptions I made. Your view I'm afraid just doesn't really work that well and it
opens up the possibility that boxers will suffer. To make sure all
is above board, I think a FIRM stance should be taken.

Nobody 'pissed' on anyones flakes. I am just passionate
on this issue; but I am extremely calm whilst portraying this view, believe me!

T-K-O

Yeah I can understand your frustration on this issue and as I said you couldn't allow many guys to train like this, but exceptions could be made.

Are you sure you didnt get spanked at that old club and had to move on, thats what I heard. :P