Incident In Lismore Park

jimbojazz

I was collecting my young lad from his friends house last night around 8pm when we came across a "group" of at least 100 kids ranging from 8 - 16 years old at the road across from the doctors surgery. They seemed to be involved in some sort of "disagreement" with a group of what appeared to be students having a party. There seemed to be a lot of jostling, bottle throwing and threats being made.

The guards were on the scene fairly quickly and were questioning a few of them.

The disturbing thing was the age of some of the kids - boys and girls - some of them even had their school uniforms on.

I'd hate to be living there as I have noticed that there is an "element" thats hangs out there.

Did anyone else come across this or hear anything

c - 13

Now I may be wrong but was yesterday not WIT christmas day ? Could have something to do with that. Wouldnt be an xmas day in WIT without some sort of incident.

Baby4

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Cabaal

so its a usual christmas day then yeah?

robtri

Surely we can't be saying that a specfic type of people are involved in fighting.... as this is not allowed, how do we know these people where stundents? did we see there ID cards?? speculation of who was involved should not be typecasting these people into specfic groups.
There was an incident alright, but no confirmation has been made by any media source to the groups involved.

ziedth

I agree robtri,

If I said it was the travler Fued I'm sure Sully would be none happy :eek::eek:

gscully

robtri wrote: »

Surely we can't be saying that a specfic type of people are involved in fighting.... as this is not allowed, how do we know these people where stundents? did we see there ID cards?? speculation of who was involved should not be typecasting these people into specfic groups.
There was an incident alright, but no confirmation has been made by any media source to the groups involved.

Yes, I'm sure it's all just a massive coincidence that two new threads about incidents have started on this forum, about two areas where students are commonly found, on the night of the biggest student piss-up of the year

Sully

gscully wrote: »

Yes, I'm sure it's all just a massive coincidence that two new threads about incidents have started on this forum, about two areas where students are commonly found, on the night of the biggest student piss-up of the year

Exactly. Its a tad bit different then pointing blame to travellers everytime something happens in Waterford when there is nothing to suggest it was them. This is a little bit different when the town was flooded with students on the offical WIT Christmas Day which happens ever year and the incident just happens to be outside one of the pubs! Speculation is always going to be a given on this type of forum but we just have to be careful with how its approached on a case by case basis.

If people have a problem with a post please report it and let the mods deal with it. Otherwise, please keep to the topic.

Mossy Monk

WIT should ban that Christmas Day thing they have every year.

abouttobebanned

Wouldn't be easy to do. You'd then have to ban freshers week and rag week cause they're the same. The owners of Dignity, Fletchers, Harveys, Revolution, Masons and Rubys were certainly happy to have full venues last night too.

It's obviously more of a problem because the majority of the people group together in the penis shaped area of John Street/Manor Street.

Cabaal

I'll never understand that the Dome is allowed fuel this day, its on WIT's property in fairnesss....the college could atleast close it early or something.

ziedth

Sully,

My Comment above was ment as a joke sorry if you took it out of context, Its pretty obvious given the day thats in it and the area that its those blasted students (Which I was up until Last year). I have No Problem with Blaming any minority group in general.

Back on topic, I have a feeling that WIT can't do anything about it cause all hell broke loose about 6 years ago when they Canceled Rag Week.

Christamss Day Hasn't been an offical College Session since the Girl got Glassed few years ago. I saw it happen actually,

gscully

ziedth wrote: »

Sully,

My Comment above was ment as a joke sorry if you took it out of context, Its pretty obvious given the day thats in it and the area that its those blasted students (Which I was up until Last year). I have No Problem with Blaming any minority group in general.

Back on topic, I have a feeling that WIT can't do anything about it cause all hell broke loose about 6 years ago when they Canceled Rag Week.

Christamss Day Hasn't been an offical College Session since the Girl got Glassed few years ago. I saw it happen actually,

Exactly... Banning something will not make it go away. They'll just have it elsewhere.

Cabaal

gscully wrote: »

Exactly... Banning something will not make it go away. They'll just have it elsewhere.

It can help reduce the crap that goes on though,

robtri

if this incident was as a result of students from WIT, it is another reason why a lot of the people from Lismore park have issues with them parking in their estate....
WIT and their students really aren't helping themselves here.

Banning it would help the issue, as previously stated it will happen anyway, this issue is with the students themselves and not being able to be properably behaved in public... Students who are found to be part of this should be expelled from the WIT, as it really gives a bad name for the WIT to the locals.

KingLoser

Ban it?

C'mon now, let's get real? Ban it, and the students will just celebrate it unofficially on some date, and then nobody will have anyone to complain about it to.

JohnC.

Harsher penalties by the college for offenders would probably work better than banning it. Ban it and it will happen anyway. With harsher penalties, perhaps people may think twice about their future.

Then again, with enough drink in them, they may not.

Not The Real Scarecrow

The way people go on about the students you'd swear they were so foreign or strange alien invading evil bastards.There's trouble every bloody night of the week around Waterford and it isn't all students or travellers.It only gets reported when it is a certain group that people can scapegoat all the ills of the town on.If there were a few incidents with students last night its only to be expected as they're young and every one does the same olde ****e when they're that age, any one that doesn't or hasn't at some stage in their life deserves a big slap on the back for being so perfect.In fairness to the students as well, they deserve at least a few nights out of the year to blow off abit off steam, and if a few of em act like assholes , well so be it.In my experience the factory and staff nights out around the town at Christmas are far worse than any student nights out, but you don't hear people saying, ban those working fellas from going out.

Mossy Monk

Meatwad wrote: »

they deserve at least a few nights out of the year to blow off abit off steam

LMAO. Students only get a few nights out every year. Pull the other one.

jimbojazz

I started this thread in relation to a specific incident i witnessed in Lismore Park

from what i saw it was local children who seemed to be the main instigators - some of these were in school uniforms, a fair proportion were girls, some of those involved were no older than 8 years old - safe to say not WIT students

they seemed to have issue with one house in particular - the occupants of the house were from what i could see students - they were not out on the street - in fact the only confrontation i witnessed was on the driveway of the house and it would appear that the occupants of the house were being provoked

It was the locals ( when i say locals i am not referring to Lismore Park locals as i would asssume that there are very few young kids in this area now, but kids from any of the neighbouring estates who hang out there)who were runnning riot on the street - they obviously heard the party in progress and did their best to provoke the occupants

it was like something you'd see on the telly - it looked to be well organised - basically they'd make a run at the house and scatter when they got a reaction

they were not out to get anyone else only the occupants as there was a lot of cars, pedestrians etc and they paid them no notice

if the students were involved in other anti social behaviour it is not relevant to this thread as from what i could see it was the students/house occupants who were the victims in this case

robtri

jimbojazz wrote: »

I started this thread in relation to a specific incident i witnessed in Lismore Park

from what i saw it was local children who seemed to be the main instigators - some of these were in school uniforms, a fair proportion were girls, some of those involved were no older than 8 years old - safe to say not WIT students
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gscully wrote: »

Yes, I'm sure it's all just a massive coincidence that two new threads about incidents have started on this forum, about two areas where students are commonly found, on the night of the biggest student piss-up of the year

Seemingly it was a massive coincidence as they trouble makers where not the students according to the eye witness, the OP.......
and we where all blaming the students for this problem....
It is a disgrace that kids as young as what the OP said where out and about causing organised trouble.....Where are the parents?? surely they knew what was going on if it was in the same estate as they where living???
this reflects so badly on the state of society in certain estates, not just in waterford but around the country.

seanybiker

little scumbags. A good hurley across one of their heads and the rest will run. Cheeky monkeys

robtri

seanybiker wrote: »

little scumbags. A good hurley across one of their heads and the rest will run. Cheeky monkeys

thats not very nice, you weren't saying that when it was thought to be the students.....

seanybiker

robtri wrote: »

thats not very nice, you weren't saying that when it was thought to be the students.....

I never thought it was students

gscully

robtri wrote: »

Seemingly it was a massive coincidence as they trouble makers where not the students according to the eye witness, the OP.......
and we where all blaming the students for this problem....
It is a disgrace that kids as young as what the OP said where out and about causing organised trouble.....Where are the parents?? surely they knew what was going on if it was in the same estate as they where living???
this reflects so badly on the state of society in certain estates, not just in waterford but around the country.

I totally agree that it's a disgrace for these kids to be involved.

As for blaming the students... I suggested it was too much of a coincidence. We'll probably never know what sparked it all off, but it appears to be too well-organised and directed at one house only to be a random act of delinquency. Something must've happened to make so many turn up to behave like that. I'm not suggesting the students started it either... Maybe the were originally the victims and retaliated..?

daftdave

Meatwad wrote: »

The way people go on about the students you'd swear they were so foreign or strange alien invading evil bastards.There's trouble every bloody night of the week around Waterford and it isn't all students or travellers.It only gets reported when it is a certain group that people can scapegoat all the ills of the town on.If there were a few incidents with students last night its only to be expected as they're young and every one does the same olde ****e when they're that age, any one that doesn't or hasn't at some stage in their life deserves a big slap on the back for being so perfect.In fairness to the students as well, they deserve at least a few nights out of the year to blow off abit off steam, and if a few of em act like assholes , well so be it.In my experience the factory and staff nights out around the town at Christmas are far worse than any student nights out, but you don't hear people saying, ban those working fellas from going out.

if you owned this house would you be so cool about the issue, students are terrorising people in certain areas of waterford , just because its not on your doorstep does not mean it is not an issue, have a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2flzvj5ogw&feature=related

ROCKMAN

seanybiker wrote: »

little scumbags. A good hurley across one of their heads and the rest will run. Cheeky monkeys

Could look good on our a HEADSTONE .

Times have changed , its more likely now a days for their mates to take the hurley off you , and beat you to death will it.

Remember than poor family man (up the country Carlow i think ) to when to somene aid with a hurley last year.

Baby4

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ziedth

daftdave wrote: »

if you owned this house would you be so cool about the issue, students are terrorising people in certain areas of waterford , just because its not on your doorstep does not mean it is not an issue, have a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2flzvj5ogw&feature=related

WHAT THE HELL!! Dave for the love of Jesus your well entitled to your view and I do share an amount of Empathy with you because a Lived in an apartment block surrounded by Polish Blocklayers that constantly had all nighters.

Now posting that clip, first of all because one guy is wearing a white hoody and there are two girls that may appear to be under the ages of 25 these are automatically classed as "students".

Things like that don't help anyone, why don't I just take a video clip from the amber garrage of some kids messing and say "Lisduggan Children Cause Trouble"


bab4,

I was a student up untill last year and even though I didn't cause as much fuss or trouble (and I don't condone it in any way) I went out twice a week and had a good time. I'm now a retail manager two of my best mates one is in resarch and one is an accountant. What do you do with your life?

Cabaal

ziedth wrote: »

I was a student up untill last year and even though I didn't cause as much fuss or trouble (and I don't condone it in any way) I went out twice a week and had a good time. I'm now a retail manager two of my best mates one is in resarch and one is an accountant. What do you do with your life?

imho this is verging on a personal attack, what does anybody;s job now have to do with it?

You can be doing computers, business, sales, accounting etc and still get ****ed off your face at the weekend and abuse people and cause damage to property. what somebody does after college has nothing to do with what they did as a student.

Job title doesn't mean that somebody is a good honest person

ziedth

Cabaal wrote: »

imho this is verging on a personal attack, what does anybody;s job now have to do with it?

You can be doing computers, business, sales, accounting etc and still get ****ed off your face at the weekend and abuse people and cause damage to property. what somebody does after college has nothing to do with what they did as a student.

I ment nothing personal mate, baby4 made a point of saying that the "disturbing" is that students at the moment are going to be professionals.

What annoy's me with the subject of students is how basically everyone of them who go out mid-week, is painted with the same brush.

What I was trying to put accross (although TBF now that i re-read my post its comes accross as abit OTT) is that not all students are scumbags myself and my mates ended up in reasonably well (and we did used to get fairly ****faced). so to say that about this crop of students seems a tad unfair.

I apologise in advance to Baby4, Its just been one of those days.

robtri

jesus lads and ladies,
lets all calm down and keep it civil here,
the thread is about a house party that happened in Lismore Park and the fact that a large organised group of very young kids where causing trouble outside it. its not about people jobs or students in general causing trouble....its not about bashing or beating up on students verbally...
keep it on topic or the mods will close this thread...

seanybiker

Baby4 wrote: »

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ya dont have to be a student to get pissed alot. Their having a last mad laugh before they settle down a little.

Cabaal

ziedth wrote: »

I ment nothing personal mate, baby4 made a point of saying that the "disturbing" is that students at the moment are going to be professionals.

What annoy's me with the subject of students is how basically everyone of them who go out mid-week, is painted with the same brush.

What I was trying to put accross (although TBF now that i re-read my post its comes accross as abit OTT) is that not all students are scumbags myself and my mates ended up in reasonably well (and we did used to get fairly ****faced). so to say that about this crop of students seems a tad unfair.

I apologise in advance to Baby4, Its just been one of those days.

I'm not being offended anyway, I know its annoying you but people will always generalize:
- all travelers are scum
- all kilkenny people like hurling and take waterford jobs :rolleyes:
etc

Students have a bad rep because people incl myself see them getting grants and then going on piss ups every other day and people incl myself know alot of that is also true...lets not forget most people were students at some point but are now paying tax and don't enjoy people wasting our tax on drink

Not all students are scumbags we all know that but there is a certain percentage that will break things or steal traffic cones or some other student type thing during there college years and not everyone sees this as fun as enjoyable as the students do

Regardless of if some young lads started it or some students started it neither is in the right and its not on at all

seanybiker

Cabaal wrote: »

steal traffic cones or some other student type thing during there college years and not everyone sees this as fun as enjoyable as the students do

What is it about the traffic cones anyways lol. Students love them.

Sully

Anyway... Back on topic please folks

ziedth

robtri wrote: »

jesus lads and ladies,
lets all calm down and keep it civil here,
the thread is about a house party that happened in Lismore Park and the fact that a large organised group of very young kids where causing trouble outside it. its not about people jobs or students in general causing trouble....its not about bashing or beating up on students verbally...
keep it on topic or the mods will close this thread...

Ya I don't want to be responsible for turning this into row, just that you tube link really pissed me off. I'll keep it on topic from now on!

Baby4

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Sully

With regards to this.. two people (married mothers) claim they heard on WLRFM that there was a murder in Lismore Park on the night in question. Apparently a gang of youths were invovled in the situation. They were asking did I know anything about it being near the area. Think WLR may have got it wrong as it never made national news (or any other news source). Either that or they are dillusional!

jimbojazz

Sully wrote: »

With regards to this.. two people (married mothers) claim they heard on WLRFM that there was a murder in Lismore Park on the night in question. Apparently a gang of youths were invovled in the situation. They were asking did I know anything about it being near the area. Think WLR may have got it wrong as it never made national news (or any other news source). Either that or they are dillusional!

Billy McCarthy had a rep from the Lismore Park residents on yesterday in relation to this - apparantly it was a hit and run. A car load of youths with no lights on hit a car with a mother and young child in - seemingly very lucky they escaped without injury

What annoyed me was straightaway the caller blamed students

I think we're all in danger of labelling certain groups for all the trouble going on at the moment

This thread was in relation to local children and another group of youths be they students or not but now it seems to have developed into student bashing. i dont see too many people on here commenting on the carry on of the kids in question or is this form of behaviour acceptable these days!!

I dont know how or why it started

I had hoped that we would have had an impartial debate dealing with the issues as I feel that we should be more worried by the antics of the group of young kids involved in this. I fear bigtime for their futures and the lack of guidance that they are getting - also bear in mind that this was at 8.30pm and the younsters were not full of alcohol. I dread to think what would have happened if they were.

solas

jimbojazz wrote: »

Billy McCarthy had a rep from the Lismore Park residents on yesterday in relation to this - apparantly it was a hit and run. A car load of youths with no lights on hit a car with a mother and young child in - seemingly very lucky they escaped without injury

What annoyed me was straightaway the caller blamed students

I think we're all in danger of labelling certain groups for all the trouble going on at the moment

This thread was in relation to local children and another group of youths be they students or not but now it seems to have developed into student bashing. i dont see too many people on here commenting on the carry on of the kids in question or is this form of behaviour acceptable these days!!

I dont know how or why it started

I had hoped that we would have had an impartial debate dealing with the issues as I feel that we should be more worried by the antics of the group of young kids involved in this. I fear bigtime for their futures and the lack of guidance that they are getting - also bear in mind that this was at 8.30pm and the younsters were not full of alcohol. I dread to think what would have happened if they were.

my mother lives around the corner from where the incident occured. If students seem to be the main culprit its because the car that was involved was parked on the estate and when driven away by apparent revelers they jumped the kerb to get out onto the road.
It's not rocket science to put two and two together by the people who have to live there, it being used as a car park for students and christmas day an all.

p.s. I really don't give a **** about how this is perceived, my mother gladly allows some lass to park on her driveway so its not a case of bias against the student nation either.

daftdave

solas wrote: »

my mother lives around the corner from where the incident occured. If students seem to be the main culprit its because the car that was involved was parked on the estate and when driven away by apparent revelers they jumped the kerb to get out onto the road.
It's not rocket science to put two and two together by the people who have to live there, it being used as a car park for students and christmas day an all.

p.s. I really don't give a **** about how this is perceived, my mother gladly allows some lass to park on her driveway so its not a case of bias against the student nation either.

i completely agree with your last part there - i live on a road that the students have to walk to get to town - the funny thing is, they are more noisy on the way to town , singing, shouting , breaking bottles , i think i know every rebel song ever written, word by word from them singing it every tuesday and wednesday night passing my house, please dont come back with a sit on the fence answer "how do you know they are students" " can you prove it"

they are students and i know they are - i think im the only man in waterford that hopes we do not get university status - more of those assholes - i really hope not

Sully

University status wont make a huge difference on that campus as they don't have any room to build more to get more students. The new campus will be away from estates and I would imagine the amount renting in Lismore Park wont change by much. The college are looking at their disciplinary procedures I believe so I would gather there "Not on college grounds, we do nothing" approach might change to incidents involving students.

Templers Hall residents put up with a lot more then Lismore Park judging by the noise residents make about students living there. It might be time the folks in Lismore Park started making a bit more noise publicly including contacting local politicans.

gscully

Sully wrote: »

Templers Hall residents put up with a lot more then Lismore Park judging by the noise residents make about students living there. It might be time the folks in Lismore Park started making a bit more noise publicly including contacting local politicans.

Just one point Sully. Templars Hall was built very recently and the college was at that point already quite large. The people who bought houses in Templars Hall were young residents or investors. Lismore Park is a different situation. Many of the residents have lived there since 1969/70 and have never had to put up with the current nonsense until the last couple of years. A lot of the residents are also approaching pensioner age and continually face a situation whereby if they decide to go to the shop for some groceries, they may have to park at the end of the street by the time they get back, or they may be woken by anti-social behviour at night.

Sully

gscully wrote: »

Just one point Sully. Templars Hall was built very recently and the college was at that point already quite large. The people who bought houses in Templars Hall were young residents or investors. Lismore Park is a different situation. Many of the residents have lived there since 1969/70 and have never had to put up with the current nonsense until the last couple of years. A lot of the residents are also approaching pensioner age and continually face a situation whereby if they decide to go to the shop for some groceries, they may have to park at the end of the street by the time they get back, or they may be woken by anti-social behviour at night.

I dont doubt you but my point was the press and people in general seem to think Lismore Park get off easy compared to Templers residents simply because they make a hell of a lot more noise then Lismore Park residents. If you dont shout loud enough, nothing will get done. People think that it musnt be that bad.

Nobody should have to live with the situation of anti social behaviour (which the college are looking into from what I am told, only because of Templers make a big fuss) and parking which makes access to their property harder or the area unsafe.

I think this topic is more about a particular incident and lets not try get into the other issues affecting Lismore Park as we have a thread on that one already. So, on that note, lets move back to the point at hand. Feel free to bump the other topic on Lismore Park to discuss it further if anybody likes.

bigjigwig77

Although most people seem to be ignoring the subject of this thread...

I have a similar story to the origional. While in college in Limerick about two years ago, I threw a house party for my friends birthday, as our neighbours were a nice couple who didn't mind the parties as long as we left to go to town before half eleven and didn't make noise when we came home, fair enough I believe.

Unfortunatly this arrangement didn't cover a large group of kids from about 12-16 arriving at the doorway and causing all kinds of trouble, including grabbing my friends hair and dragging her out the door! Eventually the Gardai arrived, who didn't bother coming when we called as we're just "bloody students", arriving only after our neighbours called and they scattered.

I've heard of and witnessed many of these such incidents where little scummers basicly attack a student house party because they know that generally the students will not use much force in getting them away and that the Gardai will usually not bother to arrive for a long, long time.

In this one area, I believe students are not to blame. Although I'm sure most of you will blame them anyway...

SteelyDanJalapeno

Sully wrote: »

University status wont make a huge difference on that campus as they don't have any room to build more to get more students. The new campus will be away from estates and I would imagine the amount renting in Lismore Park wont change by much. The college are looking at their disciplinary procedures I believe so I would gather there "Not on college grounds, we do nothing" approach might change to incidents involving students.

Templers Hall residents put up with a lot more then Lismore Park judging by the noise residents make about students living there. It might be time the folks in Lismore Park started making a bit more noise publicly including contacting local politicans.

I know its off topic and all, but in relation to your comment on not having enough room to build,
WIT have only last week or so been given the go ahead for a new engineering building situated on the small car and the surroundings opposite the AIB.

They've also been given the go ahead for a new research facility out in carriganore
http://www2.wit.ie/News/MainBody,33236,en.html

Just a bit of info for ye,

sailor_babii

robtri wrote: »

Students who are found to be part of this should be expelled from the WIT, as it really gives a bad name for the WIT to the locals.

WIT has no power over this.

sailor_babii

ArcLabs Research & Innovation Centre is awesome! I had an office there when I was working for that Terra Madre food festival in September of this year. A bit hi-tech.

Sully

Horgan wrote: »

I know its off topic and all, but in relation to your comment on not having enough room to build,
WIT have only last week or so been given the go ahead for a new engineering building situated on the small car and the surroundings opposite the AIB.

They've also been given the go ahead for a new research facility out in carriganore
http://www2.wit.ie/News/MainBody,33236,en.html

Just a bit of info for ye,

Jesus Christ... Even more spaces removed, causing more mayhem in the surrounding area. Im beginning to wonder do the college give a **** about parking and the local residents being affected. Its only going to get worse!

robtri

Sully wrote: »

Jesus Christ... Even more spaces removed, causing more mayhem in the surrounding area. Im beginning to wonder do the college give a **** about parking and the local residents being affected. Its only going to get worse!

unless its a plan, to annoy the residents so much that when they go for a multi-story car park, people will be so happy to get rid of all the cars in lismore that they won't object.....