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Squatting and DLing on the same day?

  • 02-12-2008 9:26pm
    #1
    JMCD
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    Hows it going people,

    Just wondering is squatting and deadlifting on the same day a good idea?

    My mate reckons its bad news because they are two major lifts and that the energy expanded by doing one will take away from what you can lift on the other. I can see his point, especially after a hard squatting session sometimes I feel like going home:rolleyes: But if this was the case why are tried and trusted routines like Starting Strength and Strong Lifts constructed in such a way that at least one day a week you will be doing the two lifts on the same day.

    What you guys think? Thanks :)


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  • #2
    Hanley
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    JMCD wrote: »
    Hows it going people,

    Just wondering is squatting and deadlifting on the same day a good idea?

    My mate reckons its bad news because they are two major lifts and that the energy expanded by doing one will take away from what you can lift on the other. I can see his point, especially after a hard squatting session sometimes I feel like going home:rolleyes: But if this was the case why are tried and trusted routines like Starting Strength and Strong Lifts constructed in such a way that at least one day a week you will be doing the two lifts on the same day.

    What you guys think? Thanks :)

    1) Because those programs are marketed at newbs who'll find it easier to recover between workouts (ie 3x5 for me could literally leave me on the floor for 10 mins if I pushed my hardest, newbs generally don't have the capacity to do the same)

    2) If the "Strong Lifts" you refer to is by the guy of the site with the same name, I wouldn't listen to a word he says. For someone who sets themself up as a guru, they're pathetically weak.

    3) Your mate does have a point, and could be right. But it's also dependent on other things like the intensity of the respective exercises. Something liek a 3x5 squat with 75-80% before going into deadlifts won't tire you out a whole lot, but you won't be as fresh as if you went straight to deads.

    Ultimately it depends on your level and what you're hoping to achieve.


  • #3
    Pugmister
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    Open to correction on this but I previously read somewhere that both lifts especially when reaching heavy weight (1.5 or 2 x BW) take there toll on the central nervous system and would be adviseable to split them on seperate days. I did no more research into this so could be complete BS.


  • #4
    Hanley
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    Pugmister wrote: »
    Open to correction on this but I previously read somewhere that both lifts especially when reaching heavy weight (1.5 or 2 x BW) take there toll on the central nervous system and would be adviseable to split them on seperate days. I did no more research into this so could be complete BS.

    It's relative. If you can squat 3x bodyweight, 1.5x isn't gonna tire you out.

    All things being equal, as you get stronger relative to bodyweight you will have to structure your training more carefully to see continued results.


  • #5
    Pugsley
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    I wouldn't do them on the same day for the reasons Hanley listed, if your pushing one hard you won't get much out of the other.


  • #6
    Remmy
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    Hanley wrote: »
    1) Because those programs are marketed at newbs who'll find it easier to recover between workouts (ie 3x5 for me could literally leave me on the floor for 10 mins if I pushed my hardest, newbs generally don't have the capacity to do the same)

    2) If the "Strong Lifts" you refer to is by the guy of the site with the same name, I wouldn't listen to a word he says. For someone who sets themself up as a guru, they're pathetically weak.

    3) Your mate does have a point, and could be right. But it's also dependent on other things like the intensity of the respective exercises. Something liek a 3x5 squat with 75-80% before going into deadlifts won't tire you out a whole lot, but you won't be as fresh as if you went straight to deads.

    Ultimately it depends on your level and what you're hoping to achieve.

    Hanley,judging by your past posts in this forum I know you know what your on about in this field.Why would you see the stronglifts program as weak?Its layout is very similiar to that of starting strength.


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  • #7
    Hanley
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    Remmy wrote: »
    Hanley,judging by your past posts in this forum I know you know what your on about in this field.Why would you see the stronglifts program as weak?Its layout is very similiar to that of starting strength.

    Well if you're gonna do something like that you'd be better with the originals like Bill Starr's 5x5 or Starting Strength. Not the workout that's a rip off of them!!

    And the guy who writes all the crap has seriously high opinions of himself and is a bit of a know it all for someone who can't bench 100kg and only pulls 170kg.


  • #8
    dioltas
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    I had been thinking about starting the stronglifts 5x5 program.

    Is this the Bill Starr program? http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm

    I think I'd like to do the starting strength program, but I thought you'd have to buy the book. Is the workout given here the same as the book?
    http://www.startingstrength.net/workouts/

    They all seem fairly similiar, although the Bill Starr one seems more detailed. Which would you say is the better program?


  • #9
    BobbyOLeary
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    When I started on starting strength I could easily do both in a session and recover quite well. However as the weights in both went up (100kg squat 125kg dead) I started to feel it a bit more.

    If you're still a novice lifter (I'd imagine most people on here are still in that category) you could still do both. As you progress upwards though a heavy set of squats and deads will be too much for one day. Really you're best off trying out the program and seeing how you get on. You could argue the theory behind it or you could just get under the bar and get stronger.


  • #10
    daveywavey08
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    I'd have to agree with some of the previous posters. Basically, I am not a newbie, fairly experienced but only started to get serious lately and was doing the advanced 5x5 on the Elite madcow website.
    It worked well - doing the compounds on the same days but as I found the weights progressed I had little left after squatting first, then attempting to dl heavy. I've decided to squat twice a week, and deadlift once a week but never on the same day anymore. At least for the time being. It sounds perfect for a newbie though.


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