Nokia announce N97- first N series TS phone.

Oafley Jones

http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/02/nokia-unveils-flagship-n97-phone/


Looks impressive on paper, what does everyone else think?

Biro

Basically an N78 with a keyboard and bigger screen.
That DVD quality remark is horse crap.

Tallon

Oafley Jones wrote: »

http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/02/nokia-unveils-flagship-n97-phone/


Looks impressive on paper, what does everyone else think?

Exactly what you said, looks good on paper, dont know if it will run ok. 20GB is alot though!

Oafley Jones

Biro wrote: »

Basically an N78 with a keyboard and bigger screen.
That DVD quality remark is horse crap.

This is nothing like the n78.

matrim

Biro wrote: »

Basically an N78 with a keyboard and bigger screen.
That DVD quality remark is horse crap.

Looks to me more like an N96 with touchscreen. And a different operating system and a full keyboard...

Rsaeire

It looks as if Nokia waited to see what the other manufacturers offered and just merged two devices together; mainly the Apple iPhone and the Sony Ericsson X1. They have increased the camera’s resolution, in comparison to the aforementioned handsets, so that is a plus, however, the keyboard is a 3 row affair, so I don’t envy anyone looking to type on the handset from the looks of it.

It will be very interesting to see what it can do once there is more info about its usability, operating speed etc. I love though how Nokia mention their handsets are capable of "DVD quality" video recording, when really they record video at 640x480!

AlanD

I like it.....it would tempt me over an iPhone anyway. But the big iPhone plus is the app store I think.....if Symbian made apps more accessible through a similar app store, they'd take some beating.

strecker

AlanD wrote: »

I like it.....it would tempt me over an iPhone anyway. But the big iPhone plus is the app store I think.....if Symbian made apps more accessible through a similar app store, they'd take some beating.

And have all apps controlled by one dubious entity? What's so great about that? How hard is it to visit 2 or 3 sites to check on new apps?
Ah well....
Iphone rules, yay

AlanD

it's all about convenience really for me.

If symbian were more organised and appeared to be more accessible, then it would do a lot for their business. Apple's app store hasn't exploded in popularity for no reason.

Oafley Jones

AlanD wrote: »

it's all about convenience really for me.

If symbian were more organised and appeared to be more accessible, then it would do a lot for their business. Apple's app store hasn't exploded in popularity for no reason.

It's not like Apple give you a choice, but I understand your point.

I'm not too convinced about the need for an app-store either. There are plenty of excellent apps out there, you just have to look. It's not like the lack of an app-store hurt windows or mac osx.

turly

Rsaeire wrote: »

I love though how Nokia mention their handsets are capable of "DVD quality" video recording, when really they record video at 640x480!

An NTSC DVD is 720x480 25fps interlaced. The 640x480 Nokia is 30 fps non-interlaced. So they're not far off in their claims.

quintron

Why did they leave out a Xenon flash?.... Thats just annoying.

Rsaeire

turly wrote: »

An NTSC DVD is 720x480 25fps interlaced. The 640x480 Nokia is 30 fps non-interlaced. So they're not far off in their claims.

As you've stated, there is a difference. It just smacks of false advertising. Once you factor in the PAL DVD resolution of 720x576, you soon realise that Nokia's "DVD quality" statement is moving further and further from the truth.

I won't comment too much on interlaced and progressive content, since interlaced material can be deinterlaced and the result practically identical to progressive content.

astrofool

Oafley Jones wrote: »

It's not like Apple give you a choice, but I understand your point.

I'm not too convinced about the need for an app-store either. There are plenty of excellent apps out there, you just have to look. It's not like the lack of an app-store hurt windows or mac osx.

99% of software works on windows, so it's not hard to look for. Mac generally come with what's needed (browser + email).

Symbian needs specially coded apps designed for it, and it has a small user base, a central place to find all these would be a huge boon to Symbian.

rosboy

Does anyone else find it funny that in the two videos for the N97 from Nokia neither actually show a phone call being made? Or maybe there was an I missed it. I'm assuming there is a touch screen keypad for making calls. If not, the keyboard only has numbers as a second function across the top row of the keyboard!

Gekko

Don't like the look of that keyboard and the sharing letter keys with apostrophes and commas etc.

djbriandowling

ok firstly have to say this to iphone owners who are under the apple illussion that there phone is the best in the world. slap yourself in the face or through water at yourself or something. please please please do the simplist thing like bluethooth a photo from your great camera (not) to another phone. nearly any cheap mobile phone can do this. i worked in a phone shop for a while and had so many people walking out the door with there god like iphone and come back the same day as it, after they tried to bluetoot a photo or coply/past a bit of txt along with other problems. oh thats right the big advertisment that apple ran and said there phone does email.. wow, i've been using email on my phone for years. your so locked down with your iphone and apple are laughing at you all the way to the bank

now onto the subject at hand, the nokia touch screen god that is the n97, wow is all i can say at the spec. some people say that its to big well i say how could you put so much stuff into it and make it smaller, i love the size. my only problem is they announce it now but we have to wait 6 months to get it

xbox36016

yap still no iphone

turly

Rsaeire wrote: »

As you've stated, there is a difference. It just smacks of false advertising.

Spare me. As opposed to all that non-false advertising? :rolleyes:

mkennedy

Oafley Jones wrote: »

It's not like Apple give you a choice, but I understand your point.

I'm not too convinced about the need for an app-store either. There are plenty of excellent apps out there, you just have to look. It's not like the lack of an app-store hurt windows or mac osx.

I agree.
But i suppose it depends on the type of person IMO.
Many power users will just search a couple of websites to get all the apps they need and not be TOO bothered i'd say.

But i don't think of iphone users as the typical nerdy power user. Again it's about ease of use, style and convenience versus necessarily having every app under the sun on their device.

So in one way, the convenience is admittedly cool.
Depends on the user.
Incidentally WM do that handango inhand thing- not great admittedly but still.

djbriandowling

the past present and future is nokia

iphone users go on try this, wire its tv cable into your cars radio and flip down sunviser screen and use a bluetooth keyboard on your lap to controll your phone, listen to music, surf the net and watch films on the screen. oh thats right you cant, the original nokia n95 can!! i have it done the new touch enabled nokia (midrange) 5800 can do it and so will this new flagship n97. i hate iphones and people who think thay have the best phone or as the t-short/ poster says isheep!!

MackDeToaster

It looks great to me, at last a proper replacement for the N95 - it's what the N96 should have been in the first place and I frankly don't know why they've bothered with that trash. I've yet to find any info as to whether this has got a fast cpu and if it keeps the 3d chip of the N95, but if it does I'll have one, oooh yes.

mkennedy

Nice.
Looks a bit like a Kaiser/Omnia hybrid.
There's a fair amount of (undeserved?) hate though for the poor oul' iphone from one or two of those engadget posters.
"itards"- made me laugh.

Edit: The music on the first video is pretty cool. Anyone know what it is.
Edit 2: 550 euro is a decent enough price for a phone like this as well tbh.

thecommander

djbriandowling wrote: »

the past present and future is nokia

iphone users go on try this, wire its tv cable into your cars radio and flip down sunviser screen and use a bluetooth keyboard on your lap to controll your phone, listen to music, surf the net and watch films on the screen. oh thats right you cant, the original nokia n95 can!! i have it done the new touch enabled nokia (midrange) 5800 can do it and so will this new flagship n97. i hate iphones and people who think thay have the best phone or as the t-short/ poster says isheep!!

Thats assuming that you'd want to watch TV in your car, thru your phone, on your sun visor.

xbox36016

i had a nokia n 70 73 81 95 and thay are all s.hit now got a iphone not one thing wrong yet all my nokia brock after 2 manths

metalfest

xbox36016 wrote: »

i had a nokia n 70 73 81 95 and thay are all s.hit now got a iphone not one thing wrong yet all my nokia brock after 2 manths

:eek: how you afford all them?

turly

metalfest wrote: »

xbox36016 wrote:

i had a nokia n 70 73 81 95 and thay are all s.hit now got a iphone not one thing wrong yet all my nokia brock after 2 manths

:eek: how you afford all them?

He sold the comma and shift keys on his keyboard. And his spell-checker.

metalfest

:D:Dhahahahahaha:P:P:P:P

djbriandowling

still no isheep users able to comment back on my comment that the iphone cant do basic stuff. middle of the road phones can do so much stuff we all take for granted like full bluetooth use sending music and photos. a friend of mine working in a carphone warehouse store went to this big lecture on the store iphone opening and after listing to the people rant and rave about how great the iphone is they asked everyone if there was anyone who didnt like the phone do they wanna speak.. so my friend put up his hand and spoke for about 5 minutes solid on all the iphone cant do compared to mid rangs phone especially nokias.. the lectures and speakers for the iphone were stunned to actually find out stuff they didnt know or didnt want to say,, they had no reply or defence. bottom line the iphone just has a nice touch interface thats it, when it comes to functionality it fails compared to phones like nseries nokias, how could iphone users say they have the best smart phone, come on like wake up... 2mp camera with no flash and no video, i just paid 60euro for a nokia 6300 for my mum that has the same spec camera but can actually take video,
just look at the n97spec look at what it has under the lid look at its potential with the addition of some great apps like garmin xt mobile and office software its 5 deferent ways of txt input and yes iphone users it can copy and past like every other phone except yours, that would annoy the hell out of me sorry, 5mp camera with video at 30frames per sec iphones cant even do video!! my mums new phone can do video!! add to a possible 48gb of possible storage. touch screen is just the icing on the cake for this n97. its video output through the supplied tv cabble are endless!! please iphone users tell me something worth while that this nokia n97 or nearly my mums 6300 that your phone is better at

thecommander

djbriandowling wrote: »

still no isheep users able to comment back on my comment that the iphone cant do basic stuff. middle of the road phones can do so much stuff we all take for granted like full bluetooth use sending music and photos. a friend of mine working in a carphone warehouse store went to this big lecture on the store iphone opening and after listing to the people rant and rave about how great the iphone is they asked everyone if there was anyone who didnt like the phone do they wanna speak.. so my friend put up his hand and spoke for about 5 minutes solid on all the iphone cant do compared to mid rangs phone especially nokias.. the lectures and speakers for the iphone were stunned to actually find out stuff they didnt know or didnt want to say,, they had no reply or defence. bottom line the iphone just has a nice touch interface thats it, when it comes to functionality it fails compared to phones like nseries nokias, how could iphone users say they have the best smart phone, come on like wake up... 2mp camera with no flash and no video, i just paid 60euro for a nokia 6300 for my mum that has the same spec camera but can actually take video,
just look at the n97spec look at what it has under the lid look at its potential with the addition of some great apps like garmin xt mobile and office software its 5 deferent ways of txt input and yes iphone users it can copy and past like every other phone except yours, that would annoy the hell out of me sorry, 5mp camera with video at 30frames per sec iphones cant even do video!! my mums new phone can do video!! add to a possible 48gb of possible storage. touch screen is just the icing on the cake for this n97. its video output through the supplied tv cabble are endless!! please iphone users tell me something worth while that this nokia n97 or nearly my mums 6300 that your phone is better at

Why do you feel it has to be a game of mines better than yours?

Rsaeire

I am not one to needlessly bash a handset that has enough against it, so I will not mention the iPhone. What I will mention, however, is the Sony Ericsson X1. As it would be the nearest handset, in my opinion, to the N97, any comparisons to existing handsets should be made between the two.

My personal opinion is that the X1 offers more than the N97 and Nokia, with a handset that will not be released for approximately 6 months, will be left trying to sell an outdated handset that's only superlative feature is its 5MP camer; which will most likely be superseded by another manufacturer's offering before the N97 is even available.

djbriandowling

Rsaeire wrote: »

I am not one to needlessly bash a handset that has enough against it,

i like it ha ha,
im not playing a game of mine is better than your i just feel very strongly so many people were dopped into buying these phones and then kinda felt imbareced and now speak like it has no big problems and that it is such a great phone when really the only thing it has going for it is its touch interface which is really very good. but thats where it ends. the iphone might seem like a brilliant phone to people who just do 2 things with there phone make calls and listen to music which it does extremely will. i wouldnt use it if you're big into txting because basic txt functions like copy/past and forward txt isnt available. i'm so used to having smart phones that do i wide variaty of stuff and do it really well or with firmware updates and apps after buying.
after buying my n95 my imagination became endless, i didnt own a video camera but after using it with its own built in video editor and uploading the video to youtube without even using a pc it was just amazing when i think about the nokia n95, n96 and now the n97 i think this is what computers have become. i remember just buying the n95 and went to a faimily dinner. i took photos in 5mp, i excused myself and went to a near chimest where i bluetoothed the photos to a printer and brought them back to everyone amazment. so many times i took videos of stuff added my own music and captions at a family event or something was over and showed my finished creation. i can record and edit stuff of my daughter and email the video to my girlfriends german family in germany without touching a pc.
with nokia you are only limited by your own imagination,
i could only ever be disapointed buying an iphone that cant do much only look pretty
the n97 wow, who do i want to reach out to, what do i want to create and share with, the answer is simply anything my imagination can think of
watch both of these youtube videos both recorded edited and uploaded to youtube without touching a pc,
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=uxA38UKMBjE
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=jThUqKQlFYU
what will we be able to create on the n97

djbriandowling

djbriandowling wrote: »

Rsaeire wrote: »

I am not one to needlessly bash a handset that has enough against it,

i like it ha ha,
im not playing a game of mine is better than your i just feel very strongly so many people were dopped into buying these phones and then kinda felt imbareced and now speak like it has no big problems and that it is such a great phone when really the only thing it has going for it is its touch interface which is really very good. but thats where it ends. the iphone might seem like a brilliant phone to people who just do 2 things with there phone make calls and listen to music which it does extremely will. i wouldnt use it if you're big into txting because basic txt functions like copy/past and forward txt isnt available. i'm so used to having smart phones that do i wide variaty of stuff and do it really well or with firmware updates and apps after buying.
after buying my n95 my imagination became endless, i didnt own a video camera but after using it with its own built in video editor and uploading the video to youtube without even using a pc it was just amazing when i think about the nokia n95, n96 and now the n97 i think this is what computers have become. i remember just buying the n95 and went to a faimily dinner. i took photos in 5mp, i excused myself and went to a near chimest where i bluetoothed the photos to a printer and brought them back to everyone amazment. so many times i took videos of stuff added my own music and captions at a family event or something was over and showed my finished creation. i can record and edit stuff of my daughter and email the video to my girlfriends german family in germany without touching a pc.
with nokia you are only limited by your own imagination,
i could only ever be disapointed buying an iphone that cant do much only look pretty
the n97 wow, who do i want to reach out to, what do i want to create and share with, the answer is simply anything my imagination can think of
watch both of these youtube videos both recorded edited and uploaded to youtube without touching a pc,
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=uxA38UKMBjE
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=jThUqKQlFYU
what will we be able to create on the n97

Work for nokia?

djbriandowling

Sony Ericsson 'XPERIA X1' nice phone, 3.2mp camera but the 5mp camera on the n97

djbriandowling

no i dont work for nokia. i just believe and buying phones like this and using everything i has to offer. i used work i a phone shop but made more money djing, still have loads of friends working in phone shops do

djbriandowling

i just cant wait for the nokia n97 to be released, im sure it was said already that its bad that nokia announce a phone 6 months before its released, gives us time to save i guess. im loving the touch screen 5800 soon to be available

metalfest

thecommander wrote: »

Why do you feel it has to be a game of mines better than yours?

that's life for ya....

lafors

djbriandowling wrote: »

still no isheep users able to comment back on my comment that the iphone cant do basic stuff. middle of the road phones can do so much stuff we all take for granted like full bluetooth use sending music and photos. a friend of mine working in a carphone warehouse store went to this big lecture on the store iphone opening and after listing to the people rant and rave about how great the iphone is they asked everyone if there was anyone who didnt like the phone do they wanna speak.. so my friend put up his hand and spoke for about 5 minutes solid on all the iphone cant do compared to mid rangs phone especially nokias.. the lectures and speakers for the iphone were stunned to actually find out stuff they didnt know or didnt want to say,, they had no reply or defence. bottom line the iphone just has a nice touch interface thats it, when it comes to functionality it fails compared to phones like nseries nokias, how could iphone users say they have the best smart phone, come on like wake up... 2mp camera with no flash and no video, i just paid 60euro for a nokia 6300 for my mum that has the same spec camera but can actually take video,
just look at the n97spec look at what it has under the lid look at its potential with the addition of some great apps like garmin xt mobile and office software its 5 deferent ways of txt input and yes iphone users it can copy and past like every other phone except yours, that would annoy the hell out of me sorry, 5mp camera with video at 30frames per sec iphones cant even do video!! my mums new phone can do video!! add to a possible 48gb of possible storage. touch screen is just the icing on the cake for this n97. its video output through the supplied tv cabble are endless!! please iphone users tell me something worth while that this nokia n97 or nearly my mums 6300 that your phone is better at

Are you 5 years old or something, please use paragraphs, caps, etc. and whats with all the apple hate?

I don't particularly like the iphone myself, which is why I have an N82 and an ipod touch, but why bother complain about the iphone in this thread when most people who will be interested in this phone will be Nokia/SE/HTC users and don't give too hoots about the iphone?

Personally, I think this could be a great phone, with a lot of powerful functions, it could possibly stop me from having to carry my N82 & my touch around everywhere. By the time it is released we should have some other versions on the market.

Only thing I can see that its missing is Xenon Flash (which my N82 has), but I would say this is due to the space the capacitor would need, and possibly a front mounted camera.

Oh and someone was talking about symbian, according to the news, Nokia have bought them.

strecker

lafors wrote: »

Are you 5 years old or something, please use paragraphs, caps, etc. and whats with all the apple hate?

I don't particularly like the iphone myself, which is why I have an N82 and an ipod touch, but why bother complain about the iphone in this thread when most people who will be interested in this phone will be Nokia/SE/HTC users and don't give too hoots about the iphone?

Personally, I think this could be a great phone, with a lot of powerful functions, it could possibly stop me from having to carry my N82 & my touch around everywhere. By the time it is released we should have some other versions on the market.

Only thing I can see that its missing is Xenon Flash (which my N82 has), but I would say this is due to the space the capacitor would need, and possibly a front mounted camera.

Oh and someone was talking about symbian, according to the news, Nokia have bought them.

Are YOU a 5 year old teacher? G*d, how I love people on forums who pick on grammar and syntax when they haven't got much else to say!!! 'apple hate'? The previous poster's comments were not 'hateful' nor ott, your comment however was! Dismissive and dismissable as pompous iFan-drivel! Or is that 'drivvel'? I'm so thick sometimes?
Oh, and why/for what purpose did Nokia buy Symbian? Well?

thecommander

iPhone doesn't have copy/paste
iPhone only has a 2Mp camera
iPhone cant hook into car system and watch movies on your sun visor
iPhone cant MMS
iPhone cant bluetooth images.

There. happy? Anything else you want me to repeat?

Rsaeire

I'd like to ask, what feature do people think the N97 has that other handsets currently don't? I am excluding the 5MP camera, as 3.2MP to 5MP is hardly a leap in quality when discussing camera phones.

matrim

Here's some more detailed specs, but it still doesn't mention the CPU

cojomo2

n97 will support flash player..is this a first for nokia, or indeed any mobile phone handset?

iphone falls short in some functions as listed in a previous post but when it comes to the:

user friendly interface
Internet browsing
ipod function
app store
looks

it murders every other phone out there..

its all give and take, no phone doest everything perfectly..

4Xcut

djbriandowling wrote: »

i just feel very strongly so many people were dopped into buying these phones

They were not tricked into buying the iPhone. They merely failed to do any or perhaps enough research on an expensive product. This is their fault.

quintron

I love my ipod touch. Best of both is N96 with joikuspot loaded and the touch. See everyone can be happy
If you ask me the N97 just makes the 5800 look even more appealing on a price ratio at least. As we won't see this for about 6 months sim-free, possibly longer to get to carriers, many will opt for the 5800 mid feb/march and then I'd like to see what happens....
Will they wait for the N97 or buy the 5800 and leave the N97 in its wake? The N97 will need to be heavily promoted by carriers when it comes out to establish N series dominance.
What annoys me about Nokia and other companies marketing strageties is that they announce something that is often 6+ months away. Theres a big "I want!" factor but no purchase option. Thats annoying.
At least when Steve Job's spouts his RDF key notes you can buy the latest shiny apple thing within a week usually and often later that day. That has to shift units.
Xperia anyone?? (was announced nearly 1 year ago!!! - a lot of people have moved on since then and some companies (apple) appear to have moved mountains in that period.

Rsaeire

quintron wrote: »

Xperia anyone?? (was announced nearly 1 year ago!!! - a lot of people have moved on since then and some companies (apple) appear to have moved mountains in that period.

The Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 was announced in February and released in October this year. 8 months in the difference between its announcement and it being released, not quite a year. I understand your point though; even 8 months is a long time to wait for a handset as trust me, I'm still waiting to get mine.

quintron

Without being pedantic I said "nearly a year" not 1 year exactly. Tell me is nearly a year, not quite a year?
Quiet.

P.S. Sorry, I'm grumpy today.

strecker

Rsaeire wrote: »

I'd like to ask, what feature do people think the N97 has that other handsets currently don't? I am excluding the 5MP camera, as 3.2MP to 5MP is hardly a leap in quality when discussing camera phones.

Well, it is IF the sensor is better
The e71's 3.2 cam is NOT better than the k750's 2mp cam, no matter how much I 'love' the e71! And imho, it'll not be about the features, but about how well they work. There are so many feature-packed phones that are just rubbish. On the other hand there's the iphone that lacks sooooo many features, but what it does it does well in the opinion of many happy owners. I think it's more and more about a great (looking), functional package. Many specs and features are already to be expected to be onboard. Take gps...wtf? A couple of years ago no one browsed for the odd gps capable phone. Now great phones get points deducted in reviews if they don't have gps...weird imho, but accepted by many.
The N97, I'm sure, will sell well as did the N95 that had serious flaws to begin with (15 million and counting). And I'm optimistic re. the usability. I think s60 5th will be better for the average user's fingers than wm, even if it doesn't have the diamond's or the iphone's iCandy.

Rsaeire

quintron wrote: »

Without being pedantic I said "nearly a year" not 1 year exactly. Tell me is nearly a year, not quite a year?
Quiet.

P.S. Sorry, I'm grumpy today.

I guess we just have different definitions of nearly a year. You think nearly a year is 8 months, whereas I think nearly a year is closer to 10-11 months.

P.S. Sorry, I'm pedantic today.

Rsaeire

strecker wrote: »

Well, it is IF the sensor is better
The e71's 3.2 cam is NOT better than the k750's 2mp cam, no matter how much I 'love' the e71! And imho, it'll not be about the features, but about how well they work. There are so many feature-packed phones that are just rubbish. On the other hand there's the iphone that lacks sooooo many features, but what it does it does well in the opinion of many happy owners. I think it's more and more about a great (looking), functional package. Many specs and features are already to be expected to be onboard. Take gps...wtf? A couple of years ago no one browsed for the odd gps capable phone. Now great phones get points deducted in reviews if they don't have gps...weird imho, but accepted by many.
The N97, I'm sure, will sell well as did the N95 that had serious flaws to begin with (15 million and counting). And I'm optimistic re. the usability. I think s60 5th will be better for the average user's fingers than wm, even if it doesn't have the diamond's or the iphone's iCandy.

I discounted the camera because, generally, there isn't as much difference between 3.2 MP and 5MP camera phones, as much as there is with 2MP and 3.2MP camera phones. This is merely my opinion based on owning and/or using a K750i, K800i, K850i, 6680, E61 and N95.

I agree with the GPS remark. I for one will barely use GPS on my handset and can only really envisage using it to geotag pictures I take.

Based on the images and video I've seen of the N97, I feel very much underwhelmed by the handset as a whole. Yes, it appears to have a lot of the features that most people look for, but a 3-row keyboard? How is someone expected to type well on that? The handset is clearly a mix between the N95 and the E90 with a touchscreen added for that little bit extra, but I was honestly expecting something... more!

The N95 had a 5MP camera, GPS and large onboard memory when it was released; and at a time when not a lot of other handsets did. It differentiated itself from the rest of the handsets on the market as a result of these features. Next we had the N96, which is only a slight upgrade from the N95 8GB, being surpassed by the N85, which received more praise from users and reviewers alike, leaving the N96 overpriced, and undersold. Now we have the N97, which was announced with a feature-set available on pretty much a lot of handsets, with some even offering more, and with a wait of 6 months before release.

As I said before, I am underwhelmed by what the N97 offers and wish it had more that what it currently has.

quintron

Rsaeire wrote: »

I guess we just have different definitions of nearly a year. You think nearly a year is 8 months, whereas I think nearly a year is closer to 10-11 months.

P.S. Sorry, I'm pedantic today.

Touché. On days like to day it can feel like nearly a year. :rolleyes: