Put it up to them...

Darragh29 · 30-11-2008 1:10am #1

With all this talk of recession and doom and gloom, I think I've come up with a way of changing government and starting to work our way out of this disaster...

Here's what I'm going to do... Until we are rid of these FF & Green c*nts, I'm not spending, I'm not thinking about spending, in fact I'm doing absolutely sweet FA until we have a new government, apart from buying the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM to get by... That's how I'm gonna protest, not a red cent will I spend over and above what I have to spend to survive, until we are rid of these useless turds...

I think a lot of people have decided to do the same, only haven't found the words to express it yet...

How 'bout we save our way out of a recession!?!?!?! Make the retail statistics for every month worse than the previous month! It won't be long before the situation is so poor, that we will have a general election and we might have some hope of decent leadership.

I have a theory that this is what is happening anyway, that people are not spending because of the political leadership that we have, which to call it useless would be an affront to the word "useless"...

Let's spend absolutely fu*k all on anything and speed up the whole process, make a very clear public association between the refusal of the public to spend money and the continuance of this government...

The sooner we have an election and a change of government, the sooner we will start spending money again and get capital moving through the economy again...

Let's call it the, "I'm Grand..." campaign!

Biggins · 30-11-2008 1:14am

Himmm, does that mean we have to cancel Christmas?

Darn, I wanted those same socks as last year again.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 30-11-2008 1:18am

I thought pumping money into the economy would be good thing. Have you thought this through?

Latchy · 30-11-2008 1:18am

OP not trying to be cynical or anything and allowing for change in goverments but why do people wait till a recession is upon them to want to make change in goverment ? It's like saying ' i'll stick with this shower while everythings going ok but as soon as it goes pear shaped well ...they wont like it up em ? Just curious .

Darragh29 · 30-11-2008 1:24am

Sariyah Blue Ferret wrote: »

I thought pumping money into the economy would be good thing. Have you thought this through?

I have, this is like a form of hunger strike to me. I think in times like this, you must have faith in your leaders. Our government haven't brought a single idea, strategy, plan or notion to get us out of this mess, so I'm making the call for myself anyway, that they have to go, and the sooner the better.

Until they do, I'm not spending a fu*king PENNY more than I have to, in order to survive... There is nothing more to think about in my opinion...

latchyco wrote: »

OP not trying to be cynical or anything and allowing for change in goverments but why do people wait till a recession is upon them to want to make change in goverment ? It's like saying ' i'll stick with this shower while everythings going ok but as soon as it goes pear shaped well ...they wont like it up em ? Just curious .

No, this is different in my opinion. If we don't get this crowd out soon, we are seriously fu*ked. With every passing day, the danger of this government being in power is going to be the cause of this recession being longer and deeper than anything in the 1980's... The 1980's is starting to look like a trip to Disneyworld in my opinion... A few people have said to me this week that the 1980's were not this bad...

Biggins · 30-11-2008 1:29am

I admire the sentiment and determanation but we have to spend something beyond the basics.
There's no point in slaving away 5 or more days a week if your not going to buy something special for yourself or loved one.

You have to live and walk through life, not always crawl through it.

So go ahead and treat yourself. You can still say "stuff the government" and spend money.

Ghost Train · 30-11-2008 1:33am

the current government can't do much to be honest its external (global) factors that triggered the whole thing, whatever party is there would be in the same situation... some sort of communist regime might work though

javaboy · 30-11-2008 1:35am

This is possibly the worst course of action we could take. The already fragile economy would completely collapse. It's a lot easier to improve on an existing economy than to rebuild a destroyed one.

Darragh29 · 30-11-2008 1:39am

Biggins wrote: »

I admire the sentiment and determanation but we have to spend something beyond the basics.
There's no point in slaving away 5 or more days a week if your not going to buy something special for yourself or loved one.

You have to live and walk through life, not always crawl through it.

So go ahead and treat yourself. You can still say "stuff the government" and spend money.

I think "saying it" just won't cut it anymore... I think it's time to walk the walk instead of talking the talk...

eolhc wrote: »

the current government can't do much to be honest its external (global) factors that triggered the whole thing, what ever government is there would be in the same situation... some sort of communist regime might work though

Yeah, if you are gullible enough to believe their spin, you'd swallow this. I don't say communism is the answer, but this notion where it's all in the hands of the Gods is typical Irish bullsh*t in my opinion. We got ourselves into this, through the over reliance on a property bubble that has now burst, and we'll have to get ourselves out of it... We can't be like a ship taking us whatever way the current is flowing. We steered ourselves into this and the only way out of it is to put a proper leader at the helm. We are utterly rudderless as a country, we'd be better off with nobody at the helm than who we have at the moment...

Sharpshooter · 30-11-2008 1:40am

Darragh29 wrote: »

I have, this is like a form of hunger strike to me. I think in times like this, you must have faith in your leaders. Our government haven't brought a single idea, strategy, plan or notion to get us out of this mess, so I'm making the call for myself anyway, that they have to go, and the sooner the better.

Until they do, I'm not spending a fu*king PENNY more than I have to, in order to survive... There is nothing more to think about in my opinion...

There is your problem , when you have spent on all the things you have to , there won't be anything left.
Well maybe not you OP / don't mean to make assumptions

but mortgage's , food bills and gas and electric , then you have TV licence and NTL bill and bin charges , clothes to buy and so on.
Believe me you would be one of the lucky one's to have
anything left to stick two fingers up to the government with.:(

Latchy · 30-11-2008 1:40am

Darragh29 wrote: »

No, this is different in my opinion. If we don't get this crowd out soon, we are seriously fu*ked. With every passing day, the danger of this government being in power is going to be the cause of this recession being longer and deeper than anything in the 1980's... The 1980's is starting to look like a trip to Disneyworld in my opinion... A few people have said to me this week that the 1980's were not this bad...

Well actually having growing up in ireland during the 80s there was what might be refered to as ' the staus quo ' in that there wasnt the wealth around as in the 2 previous decades,(late 80s / 90s / 00 ) what you had you held onto and that was the difference .People did struggle but they coped in whatever way they had to and altough nobody wants recession maybe this generation has to expierence one to know the difference .I am thinking of the 20 sometings who will know of their own parents expierence in this . Dont forget that when a certain irish prime minister was in power the county was going down the tube while he lived the high life .Abuse and mismanagement of power is nothing new .

AlmightyCushion · 30-11-2008 1:41am

Darragh29 wrote: »

A few people have said to me this week that the 1980's were not this bad...

I'm sorry but these people are idiots. The country is not in a worse state now than it was in the 80s. A retarded chimpanzee could tell you that. Tax was at nearly 60% in the 80s, unemployment and emmigration were at rediculous proportions. Our currency was so over valued that it had to be devaluated in the mid 80s. We were practically a third world country. Things are not that bad now, they could eventually get that bad but I'd say that is extremely unlikely.

javaboy · 30-11-2008 1:42am

Darragh29 wrote: »

Yeah, if you are gullible enough to believe their spin, you'd swallow this. I don't say communism is the answer, but this notion where it's all in the hands of the Gods is typical Irish bullsh*t in my opinion. We got ourselves into this, through the over reliance on a property bubble that has now burst, and we'll have to get ourselves out of it... We can't be like a ship taking us whatever way the current is flowing. We steered ourselves into this and the only way out of it is to put a proper leader at the helm. We are utterly rudderless as a country, we'd be better off with nobody at the helm than who we have at the moment...

I'm no FF fan and I know they've made many mistakes running our economy, but how do you explain the fact that many economies are coincidentally going through the same situations as us? Do they all happen to have equally incompetent governments?

The recession could have been softened if the economy was better managed but it couldn't have been prevented.

Senna · 30-11-2008 1:46am

The current government hasn't done anything to help the situation, but have any other party come out with plans that would work???

Anyway, FG or labour dont want an election, they have no clue what to do either. Its better to be in opposition and be able to reject plans, than to have to come up with your own.

Darragh29 · 30-11-2008 1:46am

eolhc wrote: »

the current government can't do much to be honest its external (global) factors that triggered the whole thing, whatever party is there would be in the same situation... some sort of communist regime might work though

Yeah, I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money they have disposed off by paying media consultants and spin doctors, getting us to believe that version of events???

javaboy wrote: »

This is possibly the worst course of action we could take. The already fragile economy would completely collapse. It's a lot easier to improve on an existing economy than to rebuild a destroyed one.

I disagree. I think we need to get these c*nts out as soon as possible. How long are we in this now and not a sign of any strategy, plan or action to get us back on track???

We'll be here in 6 months time discussing this and there will still be no strategy or plan to get us back into positive growth. We'll still be listening to "Ah sure it's out of our hands and it's all part of a worldwide thingy", only in 6 months time, we'll have another 60,000 people joining the dole queue?!?!!?

WTF do these people take us for??????????????????????????????????

My 2 cents worth, I'm not buying a sausage until these creatons are out on their fu*king ear where they ought to be. I've worked too hard over the last 15 years than to be taken for an absolute fu*king idiot by this shower of fu*khounds...

Biggins · 30-11-2008 1:48am

javaboy wrote: »

...The recession could have been softened if the economy was better managed but it couldn't have been prevented.

Very, very true and I'm no F.F. fan either.
(I'll never vote for them again)

I remember the days when my dad used to be in tears when I was a boy, stressing about where the money was going to come from to feed and clothe us when he was out of work. He was away half the time and we struggled.

I pray my kids (or any kids) never see that of me (or any parent). Will things get tough, possibly but back to those days we will go, I hope not.

We must spend something. If not on ourselves, then on others.

Piste · 30-11-2008 1:49am

To be honest, I care much more about me having nice things than I do about making a stand or fighhting for principles etc. So I'll just continue to make sure I live a nice comfortable life as prudently as I can. Life would be so boring if we only had the bare mimimum.

javaboy · 30-11-2008 1:49am

Darragh29 wrote: »

I disagree. I think we need to get these c*nts out as soon as possible. How long are we in this now and not a sign of any strategy, plan or action to get us back on track???

We'll be here in 6 months time discussing this and there will still be no strategy or plan to get us back into positive growth. We'll still be listening to "Ah sure it's out of our hands and it's all part of a worldwide thingy", only in 6 months time, we'll have another 60,000 people joining the dole queue?!?!!?

WTF do these people take us for??????????????????????????????????

My 2 cents worth, I'm not buying a sausage until these creatons are out on their fu*king ear where they ought to be. I've worked too hard over the last 15 years than to be taken for an absolute fu*king idiot by this shower of fu*khounds...

There are better ways to bring on a general election than deliberately destroying our already weak economy.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 30-11-2008 1:50am

Darragh29 wrote: »

Yeah, I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money they have disposed off by paying media consultants and spin doctors, getting us to believe that version of events???

But...it's the truth...

Darragh29 · 30-11-2008 1:58am

sharpshooterH wrote: »

There is your problem , when you have spent on all the things you have to , there won't be anything left.
Well maybe not you OP / don't mean to make assumptions but mortgage's , food bills and gas and electric , then you have TV licence and NTL bill and bin charges , clothes to buy and so on.
Believe me you would be one of the lucky one's to have
anything left to stick two fingers up to the government with.:(

NTL: I'm buying an illegal "Dodgybox" this Christmas and that'll be the end of that bill.

TV Licence: Not paying it, go fu*k yourselves RTE with Colin & Jim Jim...

Food bills: Yeah, as little as I have to and I'll pool money with friends and pop up to Newry every 2 months for the big shop as I'm up that way every month anyway...

Gargle/Drink: I've asked my SO for a home brew beer & wine kit for Crimbo!

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I'm sorry but these people are idiots. The country is not in a worse state now than it was in the 80s. A retarded chimpanzee could tell you that. Tax was at nearly 60% in the 80s, unemployment and emmigration were at rediculous proportions. Our currency was so over valued that it had to be devaluated in the mid 80s. We were practically a third world country. Things are not that bad now, they could eventually get that bad but I'd say that is extremely unlikely.

No, but it's going to be. Did you see solicitors, architechs, etc. out of work in the 80's???

javaboy wrote: »

I'm no FF fan and I know they've made many mistakes running our economy, but how do you explain the fact that many economies are coincidentally going through the same situations as us? Do they all happen to have equally incompetent governments?

The recession could have been softened if the economy was better managed but it couldn't have been prevented.

I hear what you are saying, but we are different because we have no plan to sort this out! Other countries might be going through the same thing but they aren't sitting on a haystack scratching their arses, waiting for everyone else to bring the tide in!!!

I feel fu*king ashamed to be Irish now, we are led by a walking matress who hasn't the first fu*king notion how to get this country moving again...

Biggins wrote: »

Very, very true and I'm no F.F. fan either.
(I'll never vote for them again)

I remember the days when my dad used to be in tears when I was a boy, stressing about where the money was going to come from to feed and clothe us when he was out of work. He was away half the time and we struggled.

I pray my kids (or any kids) never see that of me (or any parent). Will things get tough, possibly but back to those days we will go, I hope not.

We must spend something. If not on ourselves, then on others.

Back to those days we will go if we don't jettison these c*nts quickly. I'm 32 now and I well remember those days.

What other form of legal protest is there???

Piste wrote: »

To be honest, I care much more about me having nice things than I do about making a stand or fighhting for principles etc. So I'll just continue to make sure I live a nice comfortable life as prudently as I can. Life would be so boring if we only had the bare mimimum.

That's grand now, you probably have a job and all the rest of it... I have a job as well. But I've friends who are losing their jobs, as I'm sure you have too. Maybe if this sh*te came knocking at your door, you might feel a bit differently...

4zn76tysfajdxp · 30-11-2008 2:04am

Darragh29 wrote: »

What other form of legal protest is there???

Suicide bombing, they can't send you to prison for that.

Darragh29 · 30-11-2008 2:05am

Sariyah Blue Ferret wrote: »

Suicide bombing, they can't send you to prison for that.

I'll pass on that, I couldn't contribute to the Motor's forum if I went down that road!

:D:D

Sharpshooter · 30-11-2008 2:09am

Darragh29 wrote: »

NTL: I'm buying an illegal "Dodgybox" this Christmas and that'll be the end of that bill.

TV Licence: Not paying it, go fu*k yourselves RTE with Colin & Jim Jim...

Food bills: Yeah, as little as I have to and I'll pool money with friends and pop up to Newry every 2 months for the big shop as I'm up that way every month anyway...

Gargle/Drink: I've asked my SO for a home brew beer & wine kit for Crimbo!

I'm afraid it's not as simple as that , tell you what though, bring this thread up this time next year ( if the powers that be will allow it ) and tell us how you got on.

Darragh29 · 30-11-2008 2:15am

sharpshooterH wrote: »

I'm afraid it's not as simple as that , tell you what though, bring this thread up this time next year ( if the powers that be will allow it ) and tell us how you got on.

It's that simple to me. We can continue on, car crash style for another 1-2 years or we can get rid of these w*nkmeisters that are fu*king up our country...

4zn76tysfajdxp · 30-11-2008 2:16am

Darragh29 wrote: »

It's that simple to me. We can continue on, car crash style for another 1-2 years or we can get rid of these w*nkmeisters that are fu*king up our country...

We'll fúck it up more by not spending any money. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Kernel · 30-11-2008 2:17am

Darragh29 wrote: »

Here's what I'm going to do... Until we are rid of these FF & Green c*nts, I'm not spending, I'm not thinking about spending, in fact I'm doing absolutely sweet FA until we have a new government, apart from buying the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM to get by... That's how I'm gonna protest, not a red cent will I spend over and above what I have to spend to survive, until we are rid of these useless turds...

We're all in this economy together, and unfortunately it's a global crisis. I've always spoken about the perils of the current corporate capitalist model and how it would all come crashing down. Well, that's happening. Globalisation is happening. Not spending just sends our economy into the ****ter a lot quicker. I think people should avoid credit and cut the cloth according to measure.

Another thing to think through is, if this government are ousted, which government could do better? Fine Gael? Nah. Labour? They'll just give more social welfare and that's already created this problem. Sinn Fein? **** no. The Celtic Reichstad would be erected on the site of the GPO. So you see, we are ****ed, everyone, until you form your own political party which radically changes the system, and I mean radically.

javaboy · 30-11-2008 2:21am

Darragh29 wrote: »

It's that simple to me. We can continue on, car crash style for another 1-2 years or we can get rid of these w*nkmeisters that are fu*king up our country...

Why do you think not spending money is going to expedite the departure of FF from office?

Darragh29 · 30-11-2008 2:28am

Kernel wrote: »

We're all in this economy together, and unfortunately it's a global crisis. I've always spoken about the perils of the current corporate capitalist model and how it would all come crashing down. Well, that's happening. Globalisation is happening. Not spending just sends our economy into the ****ter a lot quicker. I think people should avoid credit and cut the cloth according to measure.

Another thing to think through is, if this government are ousted, which government could do better? Fine Gael? Nah. Labour? They'll just give more social welfare and that's already created this problem. Sinn Fein? **** no. The Celtic Reichstad would be erected on the site of the GPO. So you see, we are ****ed, everyone, until you form your own political party which radically changes the system, and I mean radically.

I'd rather turn on my "yet to be delivered" Dodgybox and see Garry Glitter as Minister for Health & Children and Joseph Fritzl running the country, than watch any more of this government....

javaboy wrote: »

Why do you think not spending money is going to expedite the departure of FF from office?

Because if enough people did it, the government position would be untenable...

I think we need to get our priorities right as a country.

First thing, if our government have nothing to contribute, then get off the fu*king pot and let someone else fix the problems...

AlmightyCushion · 30-11-2008 2:31am

Darragh learn how to use the multiquote/edit post function. There is no need to post three posts one after the other.

javaboy · 30-11-2008 2:36am

Darragh29 wrote: »

Because if enough people did it, the government position would be untenable...

And our economy would be destroyed. So what would happen is we'd vote in FG or Labour or SF or the Continuity PD and they would preside over a ruined country. Wouldn't it be better to ride it out until the next general election? At least then when you vote someone else in they won't have to rebuild the economy completely.

You can do your bit to erode the government majority by talking/writing to TDs and councillors (especially the Greens and government aligned independents) and telling them if they continue to support the government, they'll never get another vote from you or any of your family etc.

It might seem naive to think that they care what you say but if enough people do that they will withdraw support for the govt. At the end of the day, they want their nice big TD salaries so they'll do what it takes to get elected.

Sharpshooter · 30-11-2008 2:40am

Darragh29 wrote: »

I'd rather turn on my "yet to be delivered" Dodgybox and see Garry Glitter as Minister for Health & Children and Joseph Fritzl running the country, than watch any more of this government.

NO , no you wouldn't.

Darragh29 · 30-11-2008 2:45am

javaboy wrote: »

And our economy would be destroyed. So what would happen is we'd vote in FG or Labour or SF or the Continuity PD and they would preside over a ruined country. Wouldn't it be better to ride it out until the next general election? At least then when you vote someone else in they won't have to rebuild the economy completely.

You can do your bit to erode the government majority by talking/writing to TDs and councillors (especially the Greens and government aligned independents) and telling them if they continue to support the government, they'll never get another vote from you or any of your family etc.

It might seem naive to think that they care what you say but if enough people do that they will withdraw support for the govt. At the end of the day, they want their nice big TD salaries so they'll do what it takes to get elected.

I don't think we have another 4 years to wait. I think the longer this crowd are in power, the worse we will ultimately suffer.... There is nothing out there that could be worse than this government, no matter who we elect, they couldn't be as fu*king USELESS as this government. If we elected a load of fu*kin' corpses, we would be better off, at least they could just do nothing and not make a balls of anything.

sharpshooterH wrote: »

NO , no you wouldn't.

Yes I would. There is more a chance of the strays down in the cats and dogs home getting us out of this than the current incumbents...

4zn76tysfajdxp · 30-11-2008 2:47am

So you don't like the present government?

Darragh29 · 30-11-2008 2:49am

Sariyah Blue Ferret wrote: »

So you don't like the present government?

Yeah, I'm just readin here about them on the net, FAS out of control, etc, etc, etc and I think enough is enough, it's time to protest in my own way and that way is to spend absolutely FU*K ALL until these fu*k meisters are out on their t*ts...

I'm going to go out of my way to make sure I don't give these turds another cent in tax than is more than I have to...

javaboy · 30-11-2008 2:50am

Darragh29 wrote: »

I don't think we have another 4 years to wait. I think the longer this crowd are in power, the worse we will ultimately suffer.... There is nothing out there that could be worse than this government, no matter who we elect, they couldn't be as fu*king USELESS as this government. If we elected a load of fu*kin' corpses, we would be better off, at least they could just do nothing and not make a balls of anything.

You honestly think we will suffer more by allowing this govt. to finish its term than we will if we destroy the economy? It would take a lot longer than 4 years to build it back up again so I reckon we'd be far worse off.

Darragh29 · 30-11-2008 2:53am

javaboy wrote: »

You honestly think we will suffer more by allowing this govt. to finish its term than we will if we destroy the economy? It would take a lot longer than 4 years to build it back up again so I reckon we'd be far worse off.

I'll tell ye what I think, I think as long as these turds are at the helm, we are fu*ked. So in my opinion, no matter what we do, we are doomed as long as we have this government. So we may as well speed up the whole ordeal and get it over and done with sooner rather than later...

javaboy · 30-11-2008 2:55am

Darragh29 wrote: »

I'll tell ye what I think, I think as long as these turds are at the helm, we are fu*ked. So in my opinion, no matter what we do, we are doomed as long as we have this government. So we may as well speed up the whole ordeal and get it over and done with sooner rather than later...

We'll just have to disagree on this one. I can't see the logic in this at all.

Darragh29 · 30-11-2008 3:01am

javaboy wrote: »

We'll just have to disagree on this one. I can't see the logic in this at all.

I've just realised that me spending him here debating this with the light on in the room and the PC powered up is giving the government VAT by way of the ESB usage, so I'm going to bed, turning off all the heat, and sleeping with my 2 fingers pointing east!

:D:D

G' nite all!

And I'm dead serious!

Sharpshooter · 30-11-2008 3:20am

Darragh29 wrote: »

I'd rather turn on my "yet to be delivered" Dodgybox and see Garry Glitter as Minister for Health & Children and Joseph Fritzl running the country, than watch any more of this government....

I think we need to get our priorities right as a country.

Then don't make silly remarks like that one.

sharpshooterH wrote: »

NO , no you wouldn't.[/quote]

Darragh29 wrote: »

Yes I would. There is more a chance of the strays down in the cats and dogs home getting us out of this than the current incumbents...

So you don't have children , or nieces and nephews then?
Think before you speak.;):)

If l cocked that one up , Apologies.

dfx- · 30-11-2008 3:39am

Kernel wrote: »

I think people should avoid credit and cut the cloth according to measure.

A crazy theory!

book smarts · 30-11-2008 3:52am

Nothing will change. The unions,public sector and banks will be looked after with taxpayers money. For the rest of us it will be worse than the 80s.

What is the economy based on? Debt. We should have invested in industries that bring money in, instead of consumption like construction. We could have greatly developed high tech and alternative energy. We should have spent on infrastructure wisely, instead of wasting it on white elephants like LUAS.
When Dell & Co. pull out we're finished -and they will pull out.

Considering how much was wasted, I think either the government are short sighted idiots, or they took one look at our future and said "Lets milk this basket case while we still can". We could end up bankrupt like Iceland- watch this space, you aint seen nothing yet.

javaboy · 30-11-2008 3:56am

book smarts wrote: »

Considering how much was wasted, I think either the government are short sighted idiots, or they took one look at our future and said "Lets milk this basket case while we still can".

The electorate repeatedly endorsed the government's policies by voting them in again and again. FF were only giving the people what they wanted.

KnifeWRENCH · 30-11-2008 4:29am

Darragh29 wrote: »

With all this talk of recession and doom and gloom, I think I've come up with a way of changing government and starting to work our way out of this disaster...

No, no you haven't. You've come up with a way to bring the country closer to disaster by trying to get everyone to collectively destroy the economy.
Fortunately, your plan won't work because I doubt many people are dumb enough to follow it.
But if you want to pretend you're some sort of revolutionary and play the martyr, you go ahead. Throw away your TV, your computer and any other luxuries you're lucky enough to have. Get rid of the heating, the telephone and the electricity - they cost money y'know. Money that's funding our government (or those ****ing wankmesiter *****, as you'd call them.)

It won't be long before the situation is so poor, that we will have a general election and we might have some hope of decent leadership.

From Enda Kenny and Fine Gael? Yeah, that'll be real swell. :rolleyes:

Darragh29 wrote: »

I have, this is like a form of hunger strike to me. I think in times like this, you must have faith in your leaders. Our government haven't brought a single idea, strategy, plan or notion to get us out of this mess, so I'm making the call for myself anyway, that they have to go, and the sooner the better.

Um, what about the guarantee given to the Irish banks?
Brian Lenihan tried to deliver a budget that'll save us money, and everyone throws a hissy fit over it.

Darragh29 wrote:

The 1980's is starting to look like a trip to Disneyworld in my opinion...

:rolleyes:

Darragh29 wrote: »

we'd be better off with nobody at the helm than who we have at the moment...

WOO-HOO, ANARCHY FTW!
I'd better go get my looting hat.

Darragh29 wrote: »

I feel fu*king ashamed to be Irish now, we are led by a walking matress who hasn't the first fu*king notion how to get this country moving again...

Go live somewhere else, then. Try Baghdad, maybe. Or Harare.

Darragh29 wrote: »

I don't think we have another 4 years to wait. I think the longer this crowd are in power, the worse we will ultimately suffer.... There is nothing out there that could be worse than this government, no matter who we elect, they couldn't be as fu*king USELESS as this government. If we elected a load of fu*kin' corpses, we would be better off, at least they could just do nothing and not make a balls of anything.

So if it were up to you, our country would be ruled by, among others, :

Corpses

Stray cats and dogs

Josef Fritzl and Gary Glitter
Forgive me Darragh if I don't take you that seriously. I think I'm gonna start spending twice as much as usual, to counterbalance your money strike. All my family will get caviar and fur coats for Christmas.

Of course, you'll never know because by now you've surely thrown away your computer and started stocking up on barrels of gruel and tins of plankton.

Caoimhín · 30-11-2008 9:23am

Lads, what on earth are yis doing? Ranting about the gubberment on an internet fourm on a Saturday night. Why when i was your age i was out partying or courting some young lady of a Saturday night.

mikemac · 30-11-2008 11:27am

Darragh29, if your idea goes ahead and VAT revenue collapses from no sales, the first thing that will happen is income tax will shoot up to try to cover it.

It's at one the lowest rates it's ever been at so could easily go back to maybe 28% and 48%, I'm just choosing thoses figures
And there are loads of indirect taxes that can be lashed on. And they'll be "green" taxes like water rates and FF being the spinmasters will let the Green Party take the backlash.

Whatever happens, it's working people who are going to pay for this mess.

30-11-2008 11:39am

Darragh29 wrote: »

With all this talk of recession and doom and gloom, I think I've come up with a way of changing government and starting to work our way out of this disaster...

Here's what I'm going to do... Until we are rid of these FF & Green c*nts, I'm not spending, I'm not thinking about spending, in fact I'm doing absolutely sweet FA until we have a new government, apart from buying the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM to get by... That's how I'm gonna protest, not a red cent will I spend over and above what I have to spend to survive, until we are rid of these useless turds...

I think a lot of people have decided to do the same, only haven't found the words to express it yet...

How 'bout we save our way out of a recession!?!?!?! Make the retail statistics for every month worse than the previous month! It won't be long before the situation is so poor, that we will have a general election and we might have some hope of decent leadership.

I have a theory that this is what is happening anyway, that people are not spending because of the political leadership that we have, which to call it useless would be an affront to the word "useless"...

Let's spend absolutely fu*k all on anything and speed up the whole process, make a very clear public association between the refusal of the public to spend money and the continuance of this government...

The sooner we have an election and a change of government, the sooner we will start spending money again and get capital moving through the economy again...

Let's call it the, "I'm Grand..." campaign!

this post shows why an economist is an economist and you're a binman.

SimpleSam06 · 30-11-2008 11:48am

Darragh the end result of your policies would be that public debt, the money owed by the government to other countries would go through the roof, resulting in us being excluded from the EU and ultimately monetary union, and if you think things are bad now, imagine us going back on the punt with tax rates doubled.

eolhc wrote: »

the current government can't do much to be honest its external (global) factors that triggered the whole thing, whatever party is there would be in the same situation

There is a great deal that could be done.

javaboy wrote: »

The recession could have been softened if the economy was better managed but it couldn't have been prevented.

Record tax takes from the last eight years (which added little enough to our economy, borrowed as they were from future earnings which are looking less and less likely to happen), were spent in the worst possible way, on the public sector. That could have been prevented. In fact we were assured in 2002 that it would be prevented.

book smarts wrote: »

Nothing will change. The unions,public sector and banks will be looked after with taxpayers money. For the rest of us it will be worse than the 80s.

I think you might find that the general public has considerably more weight than the public sector at the end of the day.

javaboy wrote: »

The electorate repeatedly endorsed the government's policies by voting them in again and again. FF were only giving the people what they wanted.

Its not as simple as that. Things were seen to be going well, so people kept voting for the same shower. Not the brightest move, but understandable.

AngryHippie · 30-11-2008 12:30pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

NTL: I'm buying an illegal "Dodgybox" this Christmas and that'll be the end of that bill.
TV Licence: Not paying it, go fu*k yourselves RTE with Colin & Jim Jim...

Absolutely agree RTE's shambolic presenters deserve a massive paycut/layoff, Before anyone from the health or education sector ever get a pink slip. With the exceptions of a range of decent news presenters. we need them.

Darragh29 wrote: »

No, but it's going to be. Did you see solicitors, architechs, etc. out of work in the 80's???

They will be, because now there is suddenly drastically too many of them, and they only reason they got paid so much was because they had convinced so many people we needed them so either they have to drop in number, or get a pay cut (on average) no harm, unless they have all (oops) gotten mortgaged to the hilt as soon as the bread was good, and then bought investment properties at an artificially inflated price blah blah blah

Darragh29 wrote: »

I hear what you are saying, but we are different because we have no plan to sort this out! Other countries might be going through the same thing but they aren't sitting on a haystack scratching their arses, waiting for everyone else to bring the tide in!!!

No, we're different because we have very few High street banking companies, and a very high level of Public debt. Nobody has a plan to sort this out, everyone is afraid of their bollix to spend tuppence, but I think it harks back to the 1920's really, while oil is artificially low in price a little bit of improvement to economical public infrastructure mightn't be a bad stimulus for the unemployed ?

We'll fúck it up more by not spending any money. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

There was a Quote from John Maynard Keynes about this situation back in "the great depression" the 1920's one, I think it was during the Bretton Woods talks, but its in a Noam Chomsky book called Hegemony or survival.
The World bank knows the only way out of this is to walk away from the botched system, and create a whole new balance, but they are afraid of it, or the consequences of trying to implicate will have on global stability.

I don't think counter cyclical theory will really work on this situation though, It will only feed inflation or lead to panic buying.

just some thoughts....

dotsman · 30-11-2008 2:20pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

With all this talk of recession and doom and gloom, I think I've come up with a way of changing government and starting to work our way out of this disaster...

Here's what I'm going to do... Until we are rid of these FF & Green c*nts, I'm not spending, I'm not thinking about spending, in fact I'm doing absolutely sweet FA until we have a new government, apart from buying the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM to get by... That's how I'm gonna protest, not a red cent will I spend over and above what I have to spend to survive, until we are rid of these useless turds...

I think a lot of people have decided to do the same, only haven't found the words to express it yet...

How 'bout we save our way out of a recession!?!?!?! Make the retail statistics for every month worse than the previous month! It won't be long before the situation is so poor, that we will have a general election and we might have some hope of decent leadership.

I have a theory that this is what is happening anyway, that people are not spending because of the political leadership that we have, which to call it useless would be an affront to the word "useless"...

Let's spend absolutely fu*k all on anything and speed up the whole process, make a very clear public association between the refusal of the public to spend money and the continuance of this government...

The sooner we have an election and a change of government, the sooner we will start spending money again and get capital moving through the economy again...

Let's call it the, "I'm Grand..." campaign!

Why not just nuke the island? Same result but would be more fun.

Ace2007 · 30-11-2008 2:30pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

With all this talk of recession and doom and gloom, I think I've come up with a way of changing government and starting to work our way out of this disaster...

Here's what I'm going to do... Until we are rid of these FF & Green c*nts, I'm not spending, I'm not thinking about spending, in fact I'm doing absolutely sweet FA until we have a new government, apart from buying the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM to get by... That's how I'm gonna protest, not a red cent will I spend over and above what I have to spend to survive, until we are rid of these useless turds...

I think a lot of people have decided to do the same, only haven't found the words to express it yet...

How 'bout we save our way out of a recession!?!?!?! Make the retail statistics for every month worse than the previous month! It won't be long before the situation is so poor, that we will have a general election and we might have some hope of decent leadership.

I have a theory that this is what is happening anyway, that people are not spending because of the political leadership that we have, which to call it useless would be an affront to the word "useless"...

Let's spend absolutely fu*k all on anything and speed up the whole process, make a very clear public association between the refusal of the public to spend money and the continuance of this government...

The sooner we have an election and a change of government, the sooner we will start spending money again and get capital moving through the economy again...

Let's call it the, "I'm Grand..." campaign!

lol

Put it up to them...

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