Comp Poll-Amir Khan vs. Oisin Fagan dec 6th

cowzerp

comp poll- Amir Khan vs. Oisin Fagan, Dec 6th


Just leave your guess on reply, keep serious chat for other pages, thanks.

scores to be
10 points for correct winner
20 bonus for correct round
40 for a draw as they are harder to guess
5 for guessing a decision
5 for guessing a KO.

jimmyboy

Fagan round 8

dlofnep

Khan decision.

Big Ears

Khan tko 10

unknown13

Fagan TKO 6

Dr_MaSoN

Khan TKO 8

nacho libre

Khan by tko in round six

theone

khan tko round 7

raven136

khan decision

menoscemo

Khan KO rd 5

T-K-O

Fagan SD

ROCKMAN

Khan KO Rd 4

cowzerp

khan rd 7 tko

megadodge

Khan Rd 9

slipss

Fagan KO Round 9

evad_lhorg

khan 3rd round ko

younge

Fagan KO 2

Mazletov

Khan by 8th round TKO.

f1dan

Khan on points

The Arbiter

Khan points win...

conceited

khan ko rnd 6

ODD-JOB

Khan on

HOBO 83

Fagan Rd 6

sligobhoy67

Khan't with a 6 round KO

but praying for Fagan win of any sort

Chris Peak

Do you know what time and channel it's on?

joepenguin

Khan ko 7.


can see a calzaghe-manfredo scenario!

conceited

STFU THIS IS A POLL.

younge

Sickened. Thought Fegan had a chance but Khan destroyed him...

T-K-O

Fagan got it all wrong. He went looking for the Prescott shots instead of fighting his own fight. DESTROYED.

walshb

Hey, I predicted a 1-2 rd KO and I have to say, Fagan, though destroyed, showed real heart and guts and landed some lovely shots on Khan. Kahn making out how his defence has improved? He was hit many times by Fagan's WILD and telegraphed shots. Had Fagan power, then maybe Khan would have been in real trouble. Khan still showed real class in his finishing ability and his speed is superb. Khan is the real deal who needs to brush up on his defence. His offence is blistering, that's not debatale IMO!

T-K-O

Correct Fagan showed heart but ultimately was outclassed. When Khan lets fly he is great to watch but what happens when is in against a guy that can take a punch at the weight.

I think a good way to test the waters for Khan would be against a dude like David Diaz

walshb

I didn't expect Fagan to pose any problems whatsoever; all he showed was that Amir is still very vulnerable and that he does really need to tighten up.

You are right, when Khan opens up; he is the real deal. He does have
tremendous speed and power combined and is a great finisher with all
the physical advantages too. And, he is so young.

Can he overcome the KO loss?

Pac was KO'd twice in a career, as were other greats like Pedroza.
Lets wait and see. I think it's touch and go; but, if somehow Khan
does become physically stronger and more mature, he may well make it

jimmyboy

Fagan broke his ankle in the 1st!
Just shows the heart that he has!!
Fair play to the man!!
http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2008/1208/fagano.html

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

I didn't expect Fagan to pose any problems whatsoever; all he showed was that Amir is still very vulnerable and that he does really need to tighten up.

You are right, when Khan opens up; he is the real deal. He does have
tremendous speed and power combined and is a great finisher with all
the physical advantages too. And, he is so young.

Can he overcome the KO loss?

Pac was KO'd twice in a career, as were other greats like Pedroza.
Lets wait and see. I think it's touch and go; but, if somehow Khan
does become physically stronger and more mature, he may well make it

About as realistic as expecting Bernard Dunne to out slug Juan Manuel Lopez.

Khan's a bit like a Lightweight Herbie Hide(prime Hide that is), fast, powerful, in shape, chinny and open.

In Pacquiao's first ko loss he had just turned 17 and was weight-drained(having failed to make the 108 lb limit), combine this with the fact that most Filipinos(well at that time anyway) had little amateur experience(and I'd guess Pacquiao would be the same having turned pro at 16) and Pacquiao's first loss has about as much relevance as Antonio Margarito's first 3 losses(none).

His second loss he was weight drained again and was ko'ed with a body shot by a very very good fighter. Pacquiao then eradicated all weight problems by moving up 3 weight divisions immediately after.

This is quite different from the 22 year old Amir Khan with very good amateur pedigree. As soon as he steps up in class again he'll be ko'ed again, because the better fighters will catch him more often and catch him harder than Fagan, and if Amir gets caught by a puncher then he's not gonna get up(unless it's to be put down again).

bobbysands81

jimmyboy wrote: »

Fagan broke his ankle in the 1st!
Just shows the heart that he has!!
Fair play to the man!!
http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2008/1208/fagano.html

Fagan broke his ankle and still would not give up!!!

Lunatic!!!

cowzerp

Big Ears wrote: »

About as realistic as expecting Bernard Dunne to out slug Juan Manuel Lopez.

Khan's a bit like a Lightweight Herbie Hide(prime Hide that is), fast, powerful, in shape, chinny and open.

In Pacquiao's first ko loss he had just turned 17 and was weight-drained(having failed to make the 108 lb limit), combine this with the fact that most Filipinos(well at that time anyway) had little amateur experience(and I'd guess Pacquiao would be the same having turned pro at 16) and Pacquiao's first loss has about as much relevance as Antonio Margarito's first 3 losses(none).

His second loss he was weight drained again and was ko'ed with a body shot by a very very good fighter. Pacquiao then eradicated all weight problems by moving up 3 weight divisions immediately after.

This is quite different from the 22 year old Amir Khan with very good amateur pedigree. As soon as he steps up in class again he'll be ko'ed again, because the better fighters will catch him more often and catch him harder than Fagan, and if Amir gets caught by a puncher then he's not gonna get up(unless it's to be put down again).

Well said Big ears, Khan and pacman dont belong in the same sentence never mind the same ring...Khan just has no chin..

walshb

Well, the statistics show Pac was KO'd twice in his career. Khan has a hell of a lot going for him; had he a chin; he would make it no doubt. It's damn unfortunate, because he is a very exciting and aggressive fighter, that we cannot disagree on. Lets wait and see just a little bit more fellas!

BTW, anyone see Pac spar Khan?

Khan was very impressive in the sparring. I know, I know; it's
only sparring!

BTW, if you are excusing Pac's KO losses, then I could easily say that Khan at 21, (not 22) was matched far too soon against a proven and destructive KO hitter.
He wasn't ready at all for this TEST at that time in his career!

And, Prescott is a proven KO artist, no matter how you argue it and he is
3 years Khan's senior. This tells at such an early stage in a mans career.

Plus, those shots were unreal!

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Well, the statistics show Pac was KO'd twice in his career. Khan has a hell of a lot going for him; had he a chin; he would make it no doubt. It's damn unfortunate, because he is a very exciting and aggressive fighter, that we cannot disagree on. Lets wait and see just a little bit more fellas!

BTW, anyone see Pac spar Khan?

Khan was very impressive in the sparring. I know, I know; it's
only sparring!

BTW, if you are excusing Pac's KO losses, then I could easily say that Khan at 21, (not 22) was matched far too soon against a proven and destructive KO hitter.
He wasn't ready at all for this TEST at that time in his career!


And, Prescott is a proven KO artist, no matter how you argue it and he is
3 years Khan's senior. This tells at such an early stage in a mans career.

Plus, those shots were unreal!

Statistics also show Pacquiao came in at 110 lbs when he should of been 108 in that first loss and they show that after the second he jumped up 3 weight divisions. That second loss might of happened anyway Singsurat was quality, but there are clear indications of Pacquiao being very badly weight drained and the second loss had nothing to do with chin anyway. Although on the topic of poor resistance to body shots Khan also seems to suffer from this(as shown in the Gomez fight).

I said Khan is 22, I didn't say the loss was at 22. He was 21 at the time, but the few months difference is pedantic, basically he's not growing anymore.

Pacquiao was a child at the time he was knocked out(by a head shot), he has grown physically a lot since.

Walshb the Prescott may be a 'proven' puncher but the truth is a former amateur Bantamweight such as yourself would of ko'ed most of the guys Prescott fought to build that record. The only time he was 'tested' before Khan was against an average fighter in Richard Abril. Not only did Prescott fail to knockout or knockdown Abril, most people think he lost.


Khan will never be ready for a guy like Prescott because Prescott is good enough to land on Khan and Khan can't take his punches.

I'm not convcinced those shots were that massive either, the effect they had on Khan was but I'm not sure other top Lightweights would be having the same reaction. Infact given the previous showing of a terrible chin by Khan I'm pretty convinced Prescott would have to land a hell of a lot more to put away the better fighters at Lightweight.


Khan is exciting to watch not doubt, and I look forward to the rest of his career. But I'm not really sure why you have so much faith in his ability to overcome his obvious and terrible flaws when you normally pick out the flaws in fighters that will stop them achieving their goals. With Khan you seem to mainly focus on the positives, giving him a pass on the negative aspects he has.

The guy will never be a top guy at any weightclass, the best he can hope for is to be gifted a WBO title under Frank Warren.

walshb

Big Ears,I don't have all that much faith; more HOPE really, because I think
he is really good for boxing. He's a great boxer with excitement. You know you
are in for a good show when he's in the ring. He is still so young and hopefully
he can strengthen and mature and overcome this. I am doubting it like you are.
I'm under no illusions here. I just think that the kid has serious potential and had he the bloody chin;
I think he would go FAR!

The big thing is that it looks highly unlikely that he will take shots from
punchers....

nacho libre

as fagan said you can't put muscle on a chin, so whatever he does there is no way he can compensate for this flaw because against top fighters no matter how silky he is he'll get tagged at some point. it's a great shame because offensively he is a joy to watch.

walshb

Bad chin and unfortunately, a bad defense too!

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Big Ears,I don't have all that much faith; more HOPE really, because I think
he is really good for boxing. He's a great boxer with excitement. You know you
are in for a good show when he's in the ring. He is still so young and hopefully
he can strengthen and mature and overcome this. I am doubting it like you are.
I'm under no illusions here. I just think that the kid has serious potential and had he the bloody chin;
I think he would go FAR!

The big thing is that it looks highly unlikely that he will take shots from
punchers....

Now that I can certainly agree with, Khan is good for boxing, he grabs the mainstreams attention and is very exciting. Although in one sense at the moment he is bad for boxing because all cards he is on have to be ppv which is forcing bills that would otherwise be on normal Sky onto Box Office. But bar that he is a major positive to the sport and is great to watch.

Mikel

Where does Fagan go now?
Fighting with a broken ankle though........mad!

Big Ears

Mikel wrote: »

Where does Fagan go now?
Fighting with a broken ankle though........mad!

A fight with Andrew Murray for the Irish Lightweight title seems the most logical step, although where he would go should he lose that I don't know.

A loss to Murray at his age really would make it hard to comeback and fight at a serious level for Fagan.

Maybe a fight against Dean Byrne at Light-Welterweight after that but a loss there would make things even harder.

Murray v Fagan is a fight that must happen for both fighters and the significance between winning and losing is massive. Must win for both fighters.

Mikel

Didn't he win an Irish title a couple of years ago? Did he have to give it up or does he still hold it?
There can't be much money in fighting on undercards.
Do they release the purses publically for cards like last saturday?

jimmyboy

Taking 3 or 4 months off to recoverfrom his broken leg.
Then will try regain his Irish title

Mikel

So he mustn't have defended it then.
Was it a leg or ankle he broke?

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

Now that I can certainly agree with, Khan is good for boxing, he grabs the mainstreams attention and is very exciting. Although in one sense at the moment he is bad for boxing because all cards he is on have to be ppv which is forcing bills that would otherwise be on normal Sky onto Box Office. But bar that he is a major positive to the sport and is great to watch.

That's what we both can agree on. I would say that all PPV is bad, not just Khan's crowd.

I was never under illusions that he had a great chin. I know full well it's suspect and I am just HOPING he can do something to work around it. Again, very doubtful!

AS for the Pac KO's. Let's just say I was clutching at straws with that one.
In one of those losses, I think he was low blowed'. Well, at least it looked that way!

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

That's what we both can agree on. I would say that all PPV is bad, not just Khan's crowd.

I was never under illusions that he had a great chin. I know full well it's suspect and I am just HOPING he can do something to work around it. Again, very doubtful!

AS for the Pac KO's. Let's just say I was clutching at straws with that one.
In one of those losses, I think he was low blowed'. Well, at least it looked that way!

Yes all ppv is imo bad, but my point was that cards like last weekends one, wouldn't have been ppv without Khan. In order for Warren to generate enough money to fund Khan's recently signed contract he has to put him on ppv. Making cards that would have been on normal Sky Sports into Box Office 'events'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sETbYUK96o

I don't think it's a low shot.

sligobhoy67

Mikel wrote: »

Didn't he win an Irish title a couple of years ago? Did he have to give it up or does he still hold it?
There can't be much money in fighting on undercards.
Do they release the purses publically for cards like last saturday?

he was asked to give it up and let Murray fight for it as Fagan was waiting on a rematch against Kimbrough.

Like the gentleman that he is Fagan duely stepped aside

Mikel

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

he was asked to give it up and let Murray fight for it as Fagan was waiting on a rematch against Kimbrough.

Like the gentleman that he is Fagan duely stepped aside

I hope he gets it back then, loon that he is :pac: