Value an 07 Passat

Anan1

My brother's thinking of buying this 07 Passat 1.6FSI DSG estate for his wife: http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1093583. What's it worth? The mileage is correct, the car was never used.

Rowley Birkin QC

The first thing that strikes me is that it is a 1.6 Petrol Estate.

I haven't driven an FSi engine but it does seem a lot to ask of a 1.6 at first glance. Also I'd imagine the vast majority of these will be diesels so resale will probably be tough.

Another point affecting resale is that the Irish don't generally go for estates.

-Chris-

It's a 1.6 Automatic Estate, in fire-engine red, with steel wheels - that is going to be treated very hard at trade-in time. You'd want to make sure that you get really sharp pricing on it.

It's €33,500 new, so you're gettin €10k knocked off the top for it being a year old...

mickdw

The 1.6 is 33,500 new, thats mad.

That must have been ordered for someone who then cancelled. Id say they are very stuck with this.
I would pay about 19,000 straight max.

Anan1

We're thinking €18,000 maybe a touch more. Does that sound fair? Here's a car that attracts me more, tbh: http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1262552

Lex Luthor

mate of mine brought in a 07 Passat Saloon 1.9TDi earlier in the year from UK for 18k.

I think if he has cash, this would be a route to go.

TBH, there are better estates out there. If he's adamant on petrol, then there is a great choice over here

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1242353
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1045122

Scottie99

Yea I agree, UK best value. How about Toyota Avensis estate?

Anan1

Thanks to all so far. The Audi's too old and too tacky, an Accord or an Avensis might be a runner but it'd have to be auto and cheaper/newer than that one (the 05 Forester auto with less mileage is €4,500 less). Essentially what he's looking for is a very new/low mileage safe, reliable, slowish, automatic estate. I'm not arsed going to the UK unless there's a lot of money to be saved.

Lex Luthor

Anan1 wrote: »

Thanks to all so far. The Audi's too old and too tacky, an Accord or an Avensis might be a runner but it'd have to be auto and cheaper/newer than that one (the 05 Forester auto with less mileage is €4,500 less). Essentially what he's looking for is a very new/low mileage safe, reliable, slowish, automatic estate. I'm not arsed going to the UK unless there's a lot of money to be saved.

There is an auto Accord in there aswell

Rowley Birkin QC

Anan1 wrote: »

The Audi's too old and too tacky,

Anan1

Lex Luthor wrote: »

There is an auto Accord in there aswell

I can't see any at the same age/price point though, I do see two 04s for €18-19k, but they're too old and too expensive.

bigkev49 wrote: »

What can I say - they're not the lowered/black windows/big wheels types.;)

This has to be either very new or sub-30k kms.

VolvoMan

How about a Volvo V70?: http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volvo/V70/D5-SE-Bi/200847190920606/advert

This one has the excellent D5 engine with Auto and Bi-Xenon and it would certainly be a lot easier to sell than a red 1.6 litre Passat estate in a few years time.

niceirishfella

It'd be value for 15k, no more.

L-M

niceirishfella wrote: »

It'd be value for 15k, no more.

OH dear god, i would love to know where you get yours prices. That is complete madness. You have absolutely no knowledge of the car market. You might get one cheaper in the UK, but you have wild idea's on prices. I'd love to see people gets cars for ANY of the prices you give.

colm_mcm

There's a lot of sense in what niceirishfella's saying. Fair enough, if you actually want/need a 1.6 DSG estate in red - but who does?

It'd be good value at 15k, but woeful at anything near the asking price.

L-M

colm_mcm wrote: »

There's a lot of sense in what niceirishfella's saying. Fair enough, if you actually want/need a 1.6 DSG estate in red - but who does?

It'd be good value at 15k, but woeful at anything near the asking price.

15k? You can't be seriously backing that up.

colm_mcm

Ah no, it's worth more than that, It only has a few hundred miles after all.

Would you pay 20k for it though?

L-M

colm_mcm wrote: »

Ah no, it's worth more than that, It only has a few hundred miles after all.

Would you pay 20k for it though?

Not twenty, it's worth 18-19 though easily. That specific car is only worth that if some one is looking for an estate auto. I don't know what they were thinking day one when they registered it.

niceirishfella

Limerick-man wrote: »

OH dear god, i would love to know where you get yours prices. That is complete madness. You have absolutely no knowledge of the car market. You might get one cheaper in the UK, but you have wild idea's on prices. I'd love to see people gets cars for ANY of the prices you give.

Limerick-Man, you are sooooo wrong. I worked in the trade for over a decade in all area, sales,rental,servicing,valeting, the worx - i know my potatoes, and still do trade and I'm wheeling and dealing currently on these prices daily. You don't know me or by background, so how can you say i have no knowledge of the car market you utter UTTER fool.

I'd like an apology?????

Anan1

So are we thinking €18-19k is ok?

L-M

niceirishfella wrote: »

Limerick-Man, you are sooooo wrong. I worked in the trade for over a decade in all area, sales,rental,servicing,valeting, the worx - i know my potatoes, and still do trade and I'm wheeling and dealing currently on these prices daily. You don't know me or by background, so how can you say i have no knowledge of the car market you utter UTTER fool.

I'd like an apology?????

You can be working in the trade for fifty years, i know people who are, and who have absolutely no idea of the market, or the value of cars. Your value's are way off.

niceirishfella

Limerick-man wrote: »

You can be working in the trade for fifty years, i know people who are, and who have absolutely no idea of the market, or the value of cars. Your value's are way off.

errmmm, LOL....I'm not in the trade 50 years .read my post again grass hopper.

L-M

niceirishfella wrote: »

errmmm, LOL....I'm not in the trade 50 years .read my post again grass hopper.

Ermmmmmm read my post again? I said i know people who are in the market that long, and haven't a clue. Ie. your experience has no relevance.

niceirishfella

Limerick-man wrote: »

I said i know people who are in the market that long, and haven't a clue.

like your goodself:rolleyes:. I've seen some of your posts re prices too and you are not at the cutting edge of daily cash trade pricing (in a reseccion)and wheeling and dealing i can deduce. Its the kettle calling the pot black in your case grass hopper.:P

L-M

niceirishfella wrote: »

Limerick-man wrote: »

I said i know people who are in the market that long, and haven't a clue.

like your goodself:rolleyes:. I've seen some of your posts re prices too and you are not at the cutting edge of daily cash trade pricing (in a reseccion)and wheeling and dealing i can deduce. Its the kettle calling the pot black in your case grass hopper.:P

Striaght deal prices? I know the kinda fella you are. Your the fella who walks into a dealership, likes a car they have. It's ten grand over priced but since you like that one, you think you will get the ten grand off because it's a straight deal. Any prices i give are in relevance to a specific car. If your going to try and pass insults off you go, but the likes of you calling me something through a keyboard make me laugh to be honest.

We were asked what we thought that Pasat could be bought for. 15K? I laugh at you.

niceirishfella

Limerick-man wrote: »

niceirishfella wrote: »

Striaght deal prices? I know the kinda fella you are. Your the fella who walks into a dealership, likes a car they have. It's ten grand over priced but since you like that one, you think you will get the ten grand off because it's a straight deal. Any prices i give are in relevance to a specific car. If your going to try and pass insults off you go, but the likes of you calling me something through a keyboard make me laugh to be honest.

We were asked what we thought that Pasat could be bought for. 15K? I laugh at you.

Gary, Breath in, and out, and in and out...........you ok now - hope so, you seem a bit tense and would up there and losing the arguement. And you don't know the kinda fella I'am. I'm a business professional who worked in the trade for over 10 years and still do on the fringes :P
Truth is, a root grower of a car like that can be gotten for that kinda deal. I acutally have dealt with the GM there in that dealership and he's open the deals i can assure you - so i have an informed opinion but one you don't rate which is fair enough.:o

End of debate with you and good luck to ya.:P

L-M

niceirishfella wrote: »

Limerick-man wrote: »

Gary, Breath in, and out, and in and out...........you ok now - hope so, you seem a bit tense and would up there and losing the arguement. And you don't know the kinda fella I'am. I'm a business professional who worked in the trade for over 10 years and still do on the fringes :P
Truth is, a root grower of a car like that can be gotten for that kinda deal. I acutally have dealt with the GM there in that dealership and he's open the deals i can assure you - so i have an informed opinion but one you don't rate which is fair enough.:o
I have no further comment to you.
End of debate with you and good luck to ya.:P

Dear god you can't be serious... Oh now i know the kind you meet on forums. I'm sure if you know that fella, he won't take 9k of a car he's had as a demo since the start of 07, which coupled with interest etc. etc. is costing him aot more than that. I think your childish, and i don't really care if you post after this, i'm going to ignore it. You've already said your piece, i know what your like. I'll leave it at that. I wish the best of luck to you in your future, and i hope i never come across you in person, through business.

bf

I have a 07 Passat 1.6 FSI Comfortline and was thinking of changing recently - garages that were taking trade ins were generally offering an average of €16 - €17k for it.

The plus for that car is the lack of mileage and the DSG box, negatives the colour, lack of alloys...

Factoring in the trade in prices above and the fact that the garage have to make a profit I would say €18.5k is a reasonable offer...

niceirishfella

Limerick-man wrote: »

niceirishfella wrote: »

Dear god you can't be serious... Oh now i know the kind you meet on forums. I'm sure if you know that fella, he won't take 9k of a car he's had as a demo since the start of 07, which coupled with interest etc. etc. is costing him aot more than that. I think your childish, and i don't really care if you post after this, i'm going to ignore it. You've already said your piece, i know what your like. I'll leave it at that. I wish the best of luck to you in your future, and i hope i never come across you in person, through business.

Well Done Gary, you got the last word - one of little use, but the last word.

L-M

Anan1 wrote: »

So are we thinking €18-19k is ok?

I think so too. It all depends when you go in and suss them out, they might not be in dire straights yet, and mightn't want to lose that much yet:D. Let us know how you get on.

Anan1

Will do, thanks to all and sorry for any trouble i've started...;)

niceirishfella

Anan1 wrote: »

So are we thinking €18-19k is ok?

You'll not sleep well if you don't go in and start @ 15k for starters and possibly save 3k. A deals a deal - you'll be surprised what discount can be achieved in this enviroment regardless of comment here. You can only ask:)

ohhhh, and good luck.

Anan1

One other quick question - did that car have the DSG gearbox? Parkers is saying the 1.6 had a tiptronic.

colm_mcm

Anyone think it's odd that the car is CE reg and being sold in Kilkenny? If it was a cancelled order, the car could have been de-reg'd. It's also late 2007 reg for Clare.

Can anyone confirm that it's actually been in stock since 2007?

Good point on the DSG too, advert doesn't mention DSG, and I didn't think they did it on the 1.6 either.


My conspiracy theory involves a rental company and a crash.

L-M

Their site wrote:

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No Gimmicks..
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JUST PRICE !!!!!!

No Reasonable Offers Will Be Refused

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I didn't think any rental companies had CE regs? Unless your talking about lease cars.

Edit: Anything nice for your 9,000th post Colm:D

niceirishfella

colm_mcm wrote: »

My conspiracy theory involves a rental company and a crash.

+1 - Agreed. It does look like a ex-rental, steel wheels, stationwagon, and auto for the yanks off the plane wanting an auto station wagon in Shannon??? .Probably clocked too (rife in rental i know personally). Lots of cars in rental are CE reg's based in Shannon.

L-M

niceirishfella wrote: »

+1 - Agreed. It does look like a ex-rental, steel wheels and auto for the yanks off the plane wanting an auto in shannon??? .Probably clocked too (rife in rental i know personally).

Lol! Clocked back to 300kms?? Lol, very beilievable;)

niceirishfella

Limerick-man wrote: »

Lol! Clocked back to 300kms?? Lol, very beilievable;)

Limerick man (gary) just does not get it, does he??? :rolleyes:LOL LOL LOL

unkel

Before I read any comment here, I was going to say offer €18k, but you mightn't get it for that as the seller might not want to face up to todays realities. He'd need to be very desperate to accept €15k, but some of them are - isn't this really the point niceirishfella is trying to make?

Anan1 wrote: »

did that car have the DSG gearbox?

Yes it's DSG

As for a crash - you'll need someone with access to PULSE to check that out

L-M

niceirishfella wrote: »

Limerick man (gary) just does not get it, does he??? :rolleyes:LOL LOL LOL

Lol, what ever chance you have of clocking something from 60 to 40, or like wise. But trying to make some one believe a car has 300km's, would be a hard task. If would want to have absolutely no wear. And as a rental, that's surely impossible.

L-M

I could check if it's crashed, but they changed the password during the week for our account, and i don't remember it lol.

I would think 18k to 19k would be a reasonable but I have seen some serious reductions on cars recently so chance your arm. I was in at an Auction in Tom Hogans in Galway a few weeks ago and they let a brand new(canceled fleet order)Lexus is250 top spec go for 32.5K, the list price for the car was around the 50k mark.

L-M

Can only find info on the 1.4 Tsi being available in Dsg.

All the 1.6 fsi's i've found lead to just a tiptronic.

http://www.whatgreencar.com/view-car/18474/vw-passat_saloon-1_6_FSI_Tiptronic_115ps

bazz26

Car rental companies generally don't buy or register cars so it doesn't matter whether they are based in Clare or not. They take them on short term lease. It is possible the leasing company has some connection with the local VAG dealer ie a subsidiary of the dealership or they simply leased directly from the local VAG dealer. This would explain the CE reg.

Also the DSG box has has DSG letters at the base of the stick shift:



Tiptrontic:

L-M

Just out of curiousity, what car is that DSG pic of? Do you know?

L-M

These two don't seem to have that Dsg bit.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Passat/1.6-FSI-/200814188461846/advert
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Passat/AUTO-FSi/200842190465472/advert

unkel

That makes me doubt my previous statement about it being DSG. I thought all automatics for the current model with the 1.6FSI petrol engines were DSG and conventional tiptronic wasn't an option but I am clearly wrong!

colm_mcm

Don't DSG levers usually have a chrome bit on the top?


DSG


Non DSG




EDIT: Bazz beat me to it! at least my pics are of a Passat

bazz26

Limerick-man wrote: »

Just out of curiousity, what car is that DSG pic of? Do you know?

It's a US spec Jetta afaik.

E92

Anan1 wrote: »

One other quick question - did that car have the DSG gearbox? Parkers is saying the 1.6 had a tiptronic.

The 1.6 FSI Passat had a 6 speed tiptronic box. It never had the DSG option.

colm_mcm

Would that be similar to the Audi Multitronic box. Drove an A4 130bhp with that box and I'd swear it was faster than a manual.