Roundabouts!

wingding

Can those of you who aren't aware that you are not meant to change lanes on a roundabout please read the rules of the road. Got flashed at this morning when she was the one in the wrong! :eek:

JanneG

wingding wrote: »

Can those of you who aren't aware that you are not meant to change lanes on a roundabout please read the rules of the road. Got flashed at this morning when she was the one in the wrong! :eek:

Do you reckon there's enough copies of it available as I'd say about 90% of the drivers on irish roads have no clue what-so-ever of how roundabouts work!?

wingding

When I first moved to Greystones (3 1/2 years ago) there were people going the wrong way around them, so I suppose they're getting through it slowly... :rolleyes:

The Bishop Basher

Killinincarrig crossroads is great. You never have to stop cause everyone just waits for everyone else. Just drive straight through both roundabouts every time. It's not a Greystones problem though. Seems no one in Ireland has a clue about roundabouts including our traffic planners who put traffic lights on them

pixbyjohn

Clarify this please: IF I wish to take the 3rd exit on a 2 lane roundabout, I should enter the roundabout on the righthand lane, progress around until I then have to change/cross lane to exit on the 3rd exit. So am I wrong to move out from inner lane to outer at exit?

I love VW campervans

Manny7

wingding wrote: »

When I first moved to Greystones (3 1/2 years ago) there were people going the wrong way around them, so I suppose they're getting through it slowly... :rolleyes:

Not getting there fast enough, someone was going round the superquinn roundabout the wrong way yesterday evening :eek:

ADK

Don't get me started! The other day at the Killincarrig roundabout, someone came zooming through the roundabout from the Greystones direction even though she was to yield to me. I was the one who had to slow as there would have been a crash. I beeped her and not only did she beep me back but I got a glare as well

wingding

pixbyjohn wrote: »

Clarify this please: IF I wish to take the 3rd exit on a 2 lane roundabout, I should enter the roundabout on the righthand lane, progress around until I then have to change/cross lane to exit on the 3rd exit. So am I wrong to move out from inner lane to outer at exit?

I love VW campervans

I'm afraid yes you are in the wrong. If there's 2 lanes coming off the roundabout you should stay in the lane so that cars turning left (from the previous entry point) can use the other lane. You can then move over to the left lane once you're safely off the roundabout.

This is why I was flashed this morning!

loyatemu

wingding wrote: »

Can those of you who aren't aware that you are not meant to change lanes on a roundabout please read the rules of the road. Got flashed at this morning when she was the one in the wrong! :eek:

you reckon she's reading this forum?

Welsh Wizard

I was told by my instructor many moons ago that if the exit that you want is after 12 o'clock then use outer lane.... and vica versa..;)

I've noticed a lot of drivers may use their indicators when just leaving a roundabout (if your lucky) but never when approaching and whilst on a roundabout....:mad:

Also remember the outer lane is to be used as a over taking lane only, I dont think alot of drivers over here are aware of this...

pixbyjohn

wingding wrote: »

I'm afraid yes you are in the wrong. If there's 2 lanes coming off the roundabout you should stay in the lane so that cars turning left (from the previous entry point) can use the other lane. You can then move over to the left lane once you're safely off the roundabout.

This is why I was flashed this morning!

Thank you
Apologies I didn't explain myself correctly. 2 lane roundabout but a single lane exit road

future_plans

Turning right? Then approach on the right.

http://www.drivingschoolireland.com/roundabouts.html

Hammiepeters

pixbyjohn wrote: »

Clarify this please: IF I wish to take the 3rd exit on a 2 lane roundabout, I should enter the roundabout on the righthand lane, progress around until I then have to change/cross lane to exit on the 3rd exit. So am I wrong to move out from inner lane to outer at exit?

I love VW campervans

If you are describing turning at the Superquinn roundabout and up the court side of the avenue . You are correct in what you are doing. Unfotunately when performing this turn, one has to be aware that others turning right in same direction but taking fourth exit i.e. charlesland wood are doing so incorrectly and cutting across your exit point.

wingding

loyatemu wrote: »

you reckon she's reading this forum?

Not likely, but it happens so often that there might be 1 or 2 who do who will read it.:P

wingding

pixbyjohn wrote: »

Thank you
Apologies I didn't explain myself correctly. 2 lane roundabout but a single lane exit road

Well on a single lane exit you simply exit?!?

My problem is basically someone who start off approaching the roundabout in the right hand lane and when they've exited the roundabout onto another two lane road they are suddenly in the left hand lane.

Don't even get me started on the people who think it's ok to use both lanes when they're going straight through the roundabout:rolleyes:

eigrod

The problem, imo, is that roundabouts were never intended for dual carriageways, but to cut costs and avoid building flyovers, they suddenly started popping up all over the place.

I agree with the OP. However, if you join the roundabout in the right hand lane and navigate around the roundabout in the right hand lane, suddenly some other driver will join the roundabout in the left hand lane because he sees it is clear and suddenly he blocks your avenue to leave the roundabout at the next exit (which he is not taking).

wingding

eigrod wrote: »

I agree with the OP. However, if you join the roundabout in the right hand lane and navigate around the roundabout in the right hand lane, suddenly some other driver will join the roundabout in the left hand lane because he sees it is clear and suddenly he blocks your avenue to leave the roundabout at the next exit (which he is not taking).

I second that. or should that be third it :P

Hammiepeters

In other words at the afforementioned r'bout. Left lane, left turn or straight up grove,park side. Right lane everything else.

Matt Le Tissue

wingding wrote: »

Don't even get me started on the people who think it's ok to use both lanes when they're going straight through the roundabout:rolleyes:

Now thats my pet hate!!!!

mikedragon32

Hammiepeters wrote: »

In other words at the afforementioned r'bout. Left lane, left turn or straight up grove,park side. Right lane everything else.

Somebody mentioned here before that the number of exits on the SQ roundabout mean that there should be 3 lanes onto it!

:eek:

Also, someone needs to tell that muppet driving the shuttle about right of way onto a roundabout... ie: give way to the traffic that is already on it. I've lost count of the number of times he's cut me off when he's joining.

Maybe next time I take the shuttle I'll pass him a bookmarked copy of the RotR.

loobylou

In general you should exit a roundabout into the LEFT hand lane. There are some exceptions to this, where it is not safe to do so or where you will be turning right again very shortly after leaving the roundabout. If you enter the roundabout in the right hand lane you will obviously have to cross over the inside lane to exit, otherwise you would be going around forever. There ought not to be anyone in that lane as you exit unless they have not given right of way to you (being already on the roundabout), or, they are overtaking you on the left, both illegal.
Agree with poster about people going straight through the roundabouts in the right han d lane, drives me crazy too. Quite often they actually use the roundabout to overtake you.
While I'm here can I also have a rant about the people who approach the last roundabout (nearest Greystones) in the left lane and proceed to turn right towards Greystones. Are the huge arrows in the lanes not enough of a clue as to which lane to use?

wingding

loobylou wrote: »

In general you should exit a roundabout into the LEFT hand lane.

Sorry, I have to disagree with you there. If you are in the right hand lane going onto a roundabout, you should be in the right hand lane after you exit.

i.e. Coming out of Charlesland onto the Spine road, imagine you are going towards Eden Gate area. You get into the right hand lane so you can take the third exit. You stay in the right hand lane around the roundabout and then coming off the roundabout you will cut across the left lane of the roundabout but when you come off it you should be in the right hand lane of the road. This is to allow for example traffic taking a left turn (i.e. from Seabourne) to use the left lane at the same time. You can then move into the left hand lane further up the road. However if someone coming from Seabourne is going straight or right they need to give way until you've come off the roundabout.

loobylou

In your example the traffic joining the roundabout from Seabourne must give way to you. Therefore the situation "should" not arise where both cars will be exiting at the same time. Also, what would happen if that car was going straight ahead (towards SQ)? In a colision he would be (more) in the wrong.

wingding

loobylou wrote: »

In your example the traffic joining the roundabout from Seabourne must give way to you. Therefore the situation "should" not arise where both cars will be exiting at the same time. Also, what would happen if that car was going straight ahead (towards SQ)? In a colision he would be (more) in the wrong.

If you are in the right hand lane, if the traffic from Seabourne is taking the left turn there should be no issue of giving way. You're both taking the turn towards Kilcoole but you're both in different lanes. Car from Seabourne in the left and the car from Charlesland in the right.

As I said in my previous post if the car was going straight (from Seabourne) it must give way. I'm not disputing that...:p

loyatemu

loobylou wrote: »

In your example the traffic joining the roundabout from Seabourne must give way to you. Therefore the situation "should" not arise where both cars will be exiting at the same time. Also, what would happen if that car was going straight ahead (towards SQ)? In a colision he would be (more) in the wrong.

+1

you're right. the traffic from other roads is required to yield to you regardless of what lane you are in. On a dual carriageway you are supposed to keep left unless overtaking, you should not join in the right hand lane. the exception here might be if 2 cars enter a roundabout together (from a DC) and then both take the same exit (onto another DC) - here the right-hand car could be considered to be overtaking.

This is a thread for the motoring or transport forums really (where this topic has been discussed to death in the past)

Hammiepeters

You're both right. Sort of!. Wing, yes that is how you should turn for Kilcoole, Eden. No ,you're not exactly right about the car from Seabourne. He should stay put until you've passed. So Looby, if the seabourne car smashes into wing as he makes his way from seabourne to SQ, he is in the wrong for not giving way to his right.

loobylou

Hammiepeters, I agree and that is what I said. The Seabourne car will be mostly to blame, but in the event of that accident occurring I reckon a court/insurance co. will apportion some of the blame on Wingding, for not making effective observation before his manouevre.

Hammiepeters

loobylou wrote: »

Hammiepeters, I agree and that is what I said. The Seabourne car will be mostly to blame, but in the event of that accident occurring I reckon a court/insurance co. will apportion some of the blame on Wingding, for not making effective observation before his manouevre.

For not giving way to his left? I think not.

Eoin

pixbyjohn wrote: »

Clarify this please: IF I wish to take the 3rd exit on a 2 lane roundabout, I should enter the roundabout on the righthand lane, progress around until I then have to change/cross lane to exit on the 3rd exit.

That is absolutely the correct behaviour.

Moobui

This and the inability of people to use their indicators is a major bug bear of mine. It is really frustrating to drive around Greystones with all it's roundabouts and see the ignorance of people regarding the rules of the road on a daily basis :mad:

loobylou

Hammiepeters wrote: »

For not giving way to his left? I think not.

No, for not checking in his mirrors for idiots. We agree who would be mainly to blame but a defensive driver should see this happening. After all you should be checking your left mirror when exiting a roundabout.
My point is that insurance companies will often allocate some blame even though it might not be fair or appropriate. Probably a way of cancelling two no claims bonuses out of one payout!!

wingding

Hammiepeters wrote: »

So Looby, if the seabourne car smashes into wing as he makes his way from seabourne to SQ, he is in the wrong for not giving way to his right.

I'm NOT talking about if the car is going to Superquinn. I don't think anyone can dispute that the car should give way here. I'm saying the car is taking the FIRST exit from Seabourne towards Kilcoole and the other car is in the right hand lane.

Charlie-Bravo

1. Obey road markings (or 'get in lane' signs)

2. Stay in left lane if going left or straight on

2a. Indicate left if turning left (start indicating approx. 50m before roundabout - Use the roundabout sign at 50metres for a start signalling point - Also indicate before braking where possible!!)

2b. For going straight on - Don't indicate when approaching the roundabout then as soon as you have passed the first exit on the roundabout, indicate left and exit roundabout (while always staying in left lane).

3. For a 3rd exit (or exit more than 12 o'clock) be in right lane when approaching the roundabout. On approach to the roundabout begin indicating right at the 50m roundabout sign - Continue indicating around the roundabout and then indicate left to get off the roundabout after the 2nd exit. Be sure to check your left mirror for idiots when exiting.

4. If you enter the roundabout in a specific lane, be sure to exit on the same lane. For turning right and to reduce the possibility of collisions, keep to the outside (right hand) lane. Then move into the driving lane (inside or left lane) when safe to so.

5. DO NOT use the left lane to turn right on a roundabout (unless road markings/signs allow this in exceptional circumstances).

loobylou

wingding wrote: »

I'm NOT talking about if the car is going to Superquinn. I don't think anyone can dispute that the car should give way here. I'm saying the car is taking the FIRST exit from Seabourne towards Kilcoole and the other car is in the right hand lane.

He must give way to traffic already on the roundabout, regardless of which way he wishes to go. Any other system would mean he would have to be absolutely certain of your intentions and lets be honest, on Irish roundabouts it's almost impossible to know what other people intend to do. Actually in my experience, L drivers are some of the best roundabout users, propably because they are up to date on ROTR.
Anyway, the original point is getting a little lost. I maintain that you should aimm to exit a roundabout into the left hand lane of the exit road as a general rule. Circumstances may exist where this is not safe/possible, in which case the right hand lane can be used.

Hammiepeters

wingding wrote: »

I'm NOT talking about if the car is going to Superquinn. I don't think anyone can dispute that the car should give way here. I'm saying the car is taking the FIRST exit from Seabourne towards Kilcoole and the other car is in the right hand lane.

The seabourne car should wait until you are clear and then turn left into left lane.

Hammiepeters

loobylou wrote: »

He must give way to traffic already on the roundabout, regardless of which way he wishes to go. Any other system would mean he would have to be absolutely certain of your intentions and lets be honest, on Irish roundabouts it's almost impossible to know what other people intend to do. Actually in my experience, L drivers are some of the best roundabout users, propably because they are up to date on ROTR.
Anyway, the original point is getting a little lost. I maintain that you should aimm to exit a roundabout into the left hand lane of the exit road as a general rule. Circumstances may exist where this is not safe/possible, in which case the right hand lane can be used.

Yes. All of this is true.

Hammiepeters

astrofluff wrote: »

1. Obey road markings (or 'get in lane' signs)

2. Stay in left lane if going left or straight on

2a. Indicate left if turning left (start indicating approx. 50m before roundabout - Use the roundabout sign at 50metres for a start signalling point - Also indicate before braking where possible!!)

2b. For going straight on - Don't indicate when approaching the roundabout then as soon as you have passed the first exit on the roundabout, indicate left and exit roundabout (while always staying in left lane).

3. For a 3rd exit (or exit more than 12 o'clock) be in right lane when approaching the roundabout. On approach to the roundabout begin indicating right at the 50m roundabout sign - Continue indicating around the roundabout and then indicate left to get off the roundabout after the 2nd exit. Be sure to check your left mirror for idiots when exiting.

4. If you enter the roundabout in a specific lane, be sure to exit on the same lane. For turning right and to reduce the possibility of collisions, keep to the outside (right hand) lane. Then move into the driving lane (inside or left lane) when safe to so.

5. DO NOT use the left lane to turn right on a roundabout (unless road markings/signs allow this in exceptional circumstances).

Point 2 and 5 are ones most widely ignored. When you blast them out of it for doing so. A blank expression is the norm.

BenjAii

As a learner driver who hasn't quite mastered roundabouts yet, can I give a big shout out to the myriad of people explaining the rules in their own inimitable way on this thread.....

Thanks so much, my head hurts and I really haven't a clue now, as everyone here seems to have their own opinion what TROTR are......

wingding

Hammiepeters wrote: »

The seabourne car should wait until you are clear and then turn left into left lane.

Your point 4 in the previous post would mean that the car can turn left in the left lane.

Anyway, I give up, I've made my point...:rolleyes:

wingding

BenjAii wrote: »

As a learner driver who hasn't quite mastered roundabouts yet, can I give a big shout out to the myriad of people explaining the rules in their own inimitable way on this thread.....

Thanks so much, my head hurts and I really haven't a clue now, as everyone here seems to have their own opinion what TROTR are......

Ask your driving instructor. You should never take a persons view unless they are a professional in that area.

loobylou

Time to retire too, it's just lucky we don't have ones like this, http://www.strum.co.uk/wessex/brunpic.htm

Hammiepeters

wingding wrote: »

Your point 4 in the previous post would mean that the car can turn left in the left lane.

Anyway, I give up, I've made my point...:rolleyes:

Wasn't my point. I give up too.:rolleyes:

Matt Le Tissue

loobylou wrote: »

Time to retire too, it's just lucky we don't have ones like this, http://www.strum.co.uk/wessex/brunpic.htm

Ouch!! Imagine that over here!

Eoin

loobylou wrote: »

Anyway, the original point is getting a little lost. I maintain that you should aimm to exit a roundabout into the left hand lane of the exit road as a general rule. Circumstances may exist where this is not safe/possible, in which case the right hand lane can be used.

I disagree. If you are approaching a roundabout with two lanes before it, on it and exiting it then there is nothing wrong with using the right hand lane if you are going straight through.

eleMental

just on an earlier point re. the 2 small roundabouts at killincarrig, be very careful there!!!

a friend of mine was approaching from greystones, saw on his approach that there was nothing coming down from kilcoole so simply slowed down and drove over the roundabout (as most people tend to do) to turn left up to delgany.

the cops were parked just up the road to kilcoole, stopped him, and he got 2 penalty points for not yielding at a roundabout and 2 more penalty points for driving over instead of around the (very small) roundabout. it was late at night and there was no traffic but the garda were insistent and hes now 4 points the worse off.

you have been warned, esp as there now seems to be a much higher police presence in the greystones/charlesland area (which, dont get me wrong, is a very good thing.)

bogtreader

A friend of mine was nearly crashed into by garda car on the eden gate roundabout about two weeks ago.When they came around the roundabout the wrong way he reckons they were after a car who didnt indicate crossing lanes.He went to the garda station to report it they took the details and said they would look into it

Hammiepeters

eoin_s wrote: »

I disagree. If you are approaching a roundabout with two lanes before it, on it and exiting it then there is nothing wrong with using the right hand lane if you are going straight through.

Nothing ''wrong'' with it I suppose. A lot of us do it. But it's technically illegal unless ''the left lane is left turn only or you are directed to do so by a Garda''.
Fact.

Hammiepeters

eleMental wrote: »

a friend of mine was approaching from greystones, saw on his approach that there was nothing coming down from kilcoole so simply slowed down and drove over the roundabout (as most people tend to do) to turn left up to delgany.

the cops were parked just up the road to kilcoole, stopped him, and he got 2 penalty points for not yielding at a roundabout and 2 more penalty points for driving over instead of around the (very small) roundabout. it was late at night and there was no traffic but the garda were insistent and hes now 4 points the worse off.

Oh well! I suppose he should be thankful that there wasn't someone exactly like him coming from the opposite direction.
The points penalty will hopefully help him to relax a bit.

Eoin

Hammiepeters wrote: »

Nothing ''wrong'' with it I suppose. A lot of us do it. But it's technically illegal unless ''the left lane is left turn only or you are directed to do so by a Garda''.
Fact.

So, take the roundabout from the N11 onto the M11 (Shankill roundabout). Dual carriageway entering it and leaving it, and two lanes on it as well. It's technically illegal to be in the right hand lane if you are going straight through?

Hammiepeters

http://www.drivingschoolireland.com/roundabouts.html
Diagram 2. But yes I agree with you and do the same.

eleMental

Hammiepeters wrote: »

Oh well! I suppose he should be thankful that there wasn't someone exactly like him coming from the opposite direction.
The points penalty will hopefully help him to relax a bit.

to be fair it was pitch dark & very late at night. had there been something coming down from kilcoole the headlights would have been clearly visible on approach. it wasnt like he sped through, he pretty much slowed right down to look left before proceeding but didnt come to a complete stop (which was what the first 2 points were for). imho 4 penalty points for this is extraordinarily harsh and i believe a caution would have sufficed....

anyway, without this turning into a separate discussion , my point was just that someone earlier had mentioned driving "over" the roundabout there (given its so tiny) and i was just cautioning against this (even though its tempting) as it now emerges its a 2 penalty point offense if youre unlucky enough to be caught.