Honours Irish - Leaving Cert

SuPeR

Hi, I know its a bit early but i really wanna get started! Im in college but i want to repeat irish for my post grad so i was just wondering does anyone have any hints on what might come up in all parts of the paper
Its scary

msc

i heard gealt might be on for the ordinary poems !!!!

Fad

SuPeR wrote: »

Hi, I know its a bit early but i really wanna get started! Im in college but i want to repeat irish for my post grad so i was just wondering does anyone have any hints on what might come up in all parts of the paper
Its scary

An Bhean Óg - Prós

andyman

An Mháthair
Dá mb'fhéidir arís d'ár gcumann

This is the 4th year in the cycle 2006-2009, and those two have yet to appear as part of Dánta Dualgais Breise. An Bhean Óg has never appeared as a 25 mark question in the Prós either so I'd look at that.

As for essays, make sure you know something about the recession/end of An Tíogar Ceilteach. Wouldn't surprise me if that was to come up

Aisling(",)

my teachers thinking that one of
da mb'feidir aris dar gcumann
an mhathair
urchill an creagan
an chead drama

and has 9 history topics that shes emphasisesd and her predictions havent gone wrong since 1993 so im putting a bit of faith in her

andyman

Aisling(",) wrote: »

my teachers thinking that one of
da mb'feidir aris dar gcumann
an mhathair
urchill an creagan
an chead drama

and has 9 history topics that shes emphasisesd and her predictions havent gone wrong since 1993 so im putting a bit of faith in her

I can guarentee you that "Dá mb'fheidir..." and "An Mháthair" will come up. The Irish paper is very very predictable.

Aisling(",)

andyman wrote: »

I can guarentee you that "Dá mb'fheidir..." and "An Mháthair" will come up. The Irish paper is very very predictable.

im praying for an mathair
its the easiest one for me to learn by far!

andyman

Aisling(",) wrote: »

im praying for an mathair
its the easiest one for me to learn by far!

Yeah same. Very easy I think. I could talk about it for days if my Irish was any good. Lol

Aisling(",)

andyman wrote: »

Yeah same. Very easy I think. I could talk about it for days if my Irish was any good. Lol

the learning is my weakest part in the irish course and thats what it mainly is.
the oral i can quite easily waffle on fr hours only thing is my grammer can go fairly astray.id say in the oral theyll bring up up employment and the economic state with the recission so much in the media

jefreywithonef

andyman wrote: »

I can guarentee you that "Dá mb'fheidir..." and "An Mháthair" will come up. The Irish paper is very very predictable.

According to my Irish teacher anything could come up in the LC Irish papers. Apparently, the examination board won't take previous question patterns into account from this year onwards.

Fad

Monzo wrote: »

According to my Irish teacher anything could come up in the LC Irish papers. Apparently, the examination board won't take previous question patterns into account from this year onwards.

Any citation other than your teacher?

andyman

Monzo wrote: »

According to my Irish teacher anything could come up in the LC Irish papers. Apparently, the examination board won't take previous question patterns into account from this year onwards.

I'm pretty sure it's from next year onwards. If you look through the Edco sample exam papers you'll see "2006-2009" on them. If the examination mess up that pattern then there'll be outcry. They try and make the exam as easy as they possibly can to keep the Honour rate up in the statistics.

My Irish teacher knows the head guy over the exam very well and he still stresses that no changes like you've mentioned will occur this year.

degausserxo

andyman wrote: »

I can guarentee you that "Dá mb'fheidir..." and "An Mháthair" will come up. The Irish paper is very very predictable.

There's a new examiner doing the Irish paper this year. Don't bank on it.

JSK 252

The Irish course only changes every 4 years.

jefreywithonef

andyman wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it's from next year onwards. If you look through the Edco sample exam papers you'll see "2006-2009" on them. If the examination mess up that pattern then there'll be outcry. They try and make the exam as easy as they possibly can to keep the Honour rate up in the statistics.

My Irish teacher knows the head guy over the exam very well and he still stresses that no changes like you've mentioned will occur this year.

Fair enough, I was going by what I was told. Regardless, I'll probably do a fair bit of study on every poem (except Cathal O' Searcaigh's poems - little chance of them appearing), just in case.

Fad

Monzo wrote: »

Fair enough, I was going by what I was told. Regardless, I'll probably do a fair bit of study on every poem (except Cathal O' Searcaigh's poems - little chance of them appearing), just in case.

I hope is poems come up

People wont have studied him, and his poems are insanely easy.

bythewoods

There's absolutely nothing to say Cathal O' Searcaigh's poems won't come up.
When the whole scandal came to light last year the Department said he's still on the course and still can come up!
Maybe it's unlikely, but I wouldn't just exclude him.

On a lighter note, Cathal O Searcaigh's not a paedophile.
He's a paedo-file.



/ phale

Fad

bythewoods wrote: »

He's a paedo-file.

He's our Gary Glitter.

Katmandu is just like Vietnam. (I've been to Vietnam but not Katmandu, 'Nam is lovely, I'm pretty sure Glitter was in prison while I was there, which is always a plus )

bythewoods

He's just a charitable man

He's a bit scary, but his poetry's simple. Few prostitutes here, few gay lovers up North there..

p1akuw47h5r3it

Aisling(",) wrote: »

the learning is my weakest part in the irish course and thats what it mainly is.
the oral i can quite easily waffle on fr hours only thing is my grammer can go fairly astray.id say in the oral theyll bring up up employment and the economic state with the recission so much in the media

Yeah same wit me... so much poetry aswell... should be more emphasis on the oral as it's more important to be able to speak the language.

p1akuw47h5r3it

bythewoods wrote: »

There's absolutely nothing to say Cathal O' Searcaigh's poems won't come up.
When the whole scandal came to light last year the Department said he's still on the course and still can come up!
Maybe it's unlikely, but I wouldn't just exclude him.

On a lighter note, Cathal O Searcaigh's not a paedophile.
He's a paedo-file.



/ phale

Paedo-file.... Nice!!!:D

Fad

Ray Purple Icebox wrote: »

Yeah same wit me... so much poetry aswell... should be more emphasis on the oral as it's more important to be able to speak the language.

Hence the impending syllabus

Redbhoy

bythewoods wrote: »

On a lighter note, Cathal O Searcaigh's not a paedophile.
He's a paedo-file.

An greannmhar!


Does anyone know where I can get some sample answers to previous Leaving Cert questions? Is there anywhere online that would have them?
I thought Edco past papers would have them like they do in the English ones which I found as a good help last year.

Go raibh maith agat

SuPeR

Aisling(",) wrote: »

my teachers thinking that one of
da mb'feidir aris dar gcumann
an mhathair
urchill an creagan
an chead drama

and has 9 history topics that shes emphasisesd and her predictions havent gone wrong since 1993 so im putting a bit of faith in her

Thanks, What are the nine history topics?
I appreciate the help guys

bythewoods

Redbhoy wrote: »

An greannmhar!


Does anyone know where I can get some sample answers to previous Leaving Cert questions?

I'm pretty sure one of those revision books have sample answers. Less stress/ revise wise/ something.
I'm not quite sure which, but my Irish teacher used to photocopy them for us last year...

gregbelvo

Our teacher has instructed us to only learn An Mhathair and Da mb'fheidir aris dar cumann for honours poetry ,this worries me!

JSK 252

andyman wrote: »

An Mháthair
Dá mb'fhéidir arís d'ár gcumann

This is the 4th year in the cycle 2006-2009, and those two have yet to appear as part of Dánta Dualgais Breise. An Bhean Óg has never appeared as a 25 mark question in the Prós either so I'd look at that.

As for essays, make sure you know something about the recession/end of An Tíogar Ceilteach. Wouldn't surprise me if that was to come up

In addition I would look at Cearrbhach Mac Caba coming up as a 15 marker as they seem to love putting up in the (b) part. With regards essays as andyman said, culu is very likely aswell as other topics such as slad ar na boithre ( death on the roads ) and sceimlitheoireacht ( terrorism ).

Has anybody got any tips on what might come up for A Thig Na Tit Orm? even though there is the minority few doing it compared to An Triail. It is next biggest question on the written paper after the aiste and I want to put a bit of time into it!

andyman, An bhean og did come up as a 25 marker before? In 2007 I think?

SuPeR

I just cant learn Irish :mad:
Someone tell me what to do

jefreywithonef

Keep reading over sample aistes and oral answers that apply to you until you become familiar with them. The oral and aiste take up a huge chunk of the marks so it's probably best you start on them. Not really sure what else you can do if you can't learn it. Cheat?

TheSpecialOne

Our teacher has been involved for years in irish papers....the following will be up...an bhean og...cearrbhach mac caba...question on trial he hinted maili and oibri soisialta...jack..nil aon ni and for h.l learn an mhathair and da mbfheidir only!

Fad

TheSpecialOne wrote: »

Our teacher has been involved for years in irish papers....the following will be up...an bhean og...cearrbhach mac caba...question on trial he hinted maili and oibri soisialta...jack..nil aon ni and for h.l learn an mhathair and da mbfheidir only!

I'd say thats true

Piste

msc wrote: »

i heard gealt might be on for the ordinary poems !!!!

Fad wrote: »

An Bhean Óg - Prós

andyman wrote: »

An Mháthair
Dá mb'fhéidir arís d'ár gcumann

An Bhean Óg has never appeared as a 25 mark question in the Prós either so I'd look at that.

Aisling(",) wrote: »

my teachers thinking that one of
da mb'feidir aris dar gcumann
an mhathair
an chead drama

JSK 252 wrote: »

In addition I would look at Cearrbhach Mac Caba coming up as a 15 marker as they seem to love putting up in the (b) part.

TheSpecialOne wrote: »

Our teacher has been involved for years in irish papers....the following will be up...an bhean og...cearrbhach mac caba...question on trial he hinted maili and oibri soisialta...jack..nil aon ni and for h.l learn an mhathair and da mbfheidir only!

I really think it'd be worth noting all of the above. Myself and my friends went through the past exam papers and we think:

Ordinary poems
Gealt
Jack
Bimse Buan

All have a good chance of coming up.

Honours Poems
The only two to have never been examined on this course are Dá mb'fheidir arís... and An Mháthair. These are the two honours poems I'll be focussing most on. I'll also look at An Chéad Dráma as it hasn't come up in 2 years. Also Eithne Strong (who wrote Dá Mb'fhéidir...died 10 years ago this year so it'll be extra-relevant. Also means she has a strong chance of coming up in the Stair section)


Prós
I'm thinking An Bhean óg and Cearrbhach Mac Cába as neither have been asked in a while.

A lot of these have been havily tipped to come up by some teachers at the Institute too, according to some of my friends who did revision courses there.

Another prson tipped to come up in some part of the paper (possibly comprehension) Is Peig Sayers as it's some anniversary of her death this year.

on paper 1 for the ceapadoireacht, isnt it true the 80% of the marks are going for your irish and only 20 for the manipulation of the story to fit the title? wouldnt that mean you could learn off one story thats really good and put it with any title you like and still get nearly a B1???:rolleyes:

BoozyBabe

Not as simple as that Aydin Silly Bobsled I'm afraid.

Yes, 80% goes towards your ability in Irish & only 20% goes towards content, but if your essay isn't relevant to the title you still get 0%

It has to be relevant, but they're not that interested in the actual story, just so long as your relevant nonsense is written in good Irish.

ok ok, so what if they want you to write about, let say an accident. couldnt you write just a couple of line on the rlevant topic and then say: then later that day blabla bla!! (your learnt off story)?

Fad

[quote=[Deleted User];58528889]ok ok, so what if they want you to write about, let say an accident. couldnt you write just a couple of line on the rlevant topic and then say: then later that day blabla bla!! (your learnt off story)?[/QUOTE]


They'll notice

Its the same with French, they dont want any old crap they want relevant stuff that is your own work!

Dubs

exactly how sure of a thing is it that da mB'fheidir aris and an mhathair will come up?

JSK 252

Dubs wrote: »

exactly how sure of a thing is it that da mB'fheidir aris and an mhathair will come up?

You can bet your mothers life on it or we are all ****ed.

odeacl

i dont like either poems....im prob the only person in ireland hoping they dont show!

Aisling(",)

SuPeR wrote: »

Thanks, What are the nine history topics?
I appreciate the help guys

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liverpool lad

Don't forget that there is still three years left(including this year) with this course. The 5th years at present (i.e Leaving Cert 2010) are doing this course and i am 90% sure that those doing the leaving cert in 2011 will also have the same course.... that means that the two poems that have yet to come up (an mhathair and Dá mbhfeidir) will be spread over 3 years so one year neither of the two will come up. there's a chance that the course will change for 2011 but up untill now teachers havn't received a list of new stories or poems.

SarcasticFairy

liverpool lad wrote: »

Don't forget that there is still three years left(including this year) with this course. The 5th years at present (i.e Leaving Cert 2010) are doing this course and i am 90% sure that those doing the leaving cert in 2011 will also have the same course.... that means that the two poems that have yet to come up (an mhathair and Dá mbhfeidir) will be spread over 3 years so one year neither of the two will come up. there's a chance that the course will change for 2011 but up untill now teachers havn't received a list of new stories or poems.

Oh I thought this year was the last year? And so was the last year CAthal O'Searcaigh's poems could come up...

We've only done 2 of the HL poems, and we haven't even touched on the Stair. I'm a little bit worried by the amount you've all got done

ceacht

No it is not the last year of the Irish course as is!

Piste

Does anyone know is it absolutely essential to quote when writing about the Irish prose? I can do poetry quites because the poem's there in front of you, but haven't a hope of remembering prose quotes.

p1akuw47h5r3it

SarcasticFairy wrote: »

Oh I thought this year was the last year? And so was the last year CAthal O'Searcaigh's poems could come up...

We've only done 2 of the HL poems, and we haven't even touched on the Stair. I'm a little bit worried by the amount you've all got done

ame with me.. we're well behind, even doin extra classes on thursdays after school

JSK 252

Piste wrote: »

Does anyone know is it absolutely essential to quote when writing about the Irish prose? I can do poetry quites because the poem's there in front of you, but haven't a hope of remembering prose quotes.

There is abosultely no need to remember prose quotes. They may have them in dreimire notes etc. but thats just for clarity. Sure I dont even write them for my comparative essay in english so why gaeilge!:p

Fad

Piste wrote: »

Does anyone know is it absolutely essential to quote when writing about the Irish prose? I can do poetry quites because the poem's there in front of you, but haven't a hope of remembering prose quotes.

Nah I dont think we need any quotes at all.

I have enough quotes to remember as it is! English and my other bloody "Novel" for Irish.

PurpleFistMixer

Piste wrote: »

Does anyone know is it absolutely essential to quote when writing about the Irish prose? I can do poetry quites because the poem's there in front of you, but haven't a hope of remembering prose quotes.

Don't think I used a single quote for prose... I suppose a choice word could be beneficial, depending on what your point is, but it'd really be going beyond what's necessary.

Piste

Thank God! Was worried I'd lose out on a tonne of marks there!

SuPeR

Are you sure this isnt the last year for these poetry and stories?
i heard it was.

PurpleFistMixer

But the course was only changed recently. o.O