ACM P90 - Discussion

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As per rules, Vtec forgot:p

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Think a 9.6 would be too hard on the stock gearbox? Also, what are the mags like?

senordingdong

Seems to do what it says on the tin, but it should be kept in mind that not everybody has Vtecs knowledge and abilities so I wouldn't jump the gun (!) and say buying one would be a bu,p free ride just yet.

peter-pantslez

whats the story with the high cap mags for the p90's, do you have to take them off to wind them??

Tigger

peter-pantslez wrote: »

whats the story with the high cap mags for the p90's, do you have to take them off to wind them??

wind them all the way up and they fire all thye bbs

peter-pantslez

Tigger wrote: »

wind them all the way up and they fire all thye bbs

cool, i saw some one keep taking one off before to wind it thats why i ask.

id say winding takes a while then

Captain Chaos

Hi-caps pfft, get some 68rd low caps.:pac:

Masada

cheers simon,

I forgot to vpost this thread, i took some more pics with a TM and an ACM side by side. the ACM is noticibly darker than the TM one, the gearbox is identical other than the oval shaped bushing inserts on the TM. hopup are the same too.

I wouldnt worry about it giving any trouble either, the internals are all decent quality and its very well put together., i did some upgrades to mine just because i cant leave anything alone.,:D
I'll add some more pics to it when i get home.,

EDIT:

It comes with 2 68rd lowcaps.

Tigger

regarding bump free ride
i bought a tm p90 red dot ver

it was firing at 280
1 had to buy special (means dear) bearing bushings for it (the acm takes regular
2 threw a 90m/s spring in oh look now i'm getting 285 whoopee

3 threw a 100m/s spring in bushing bearings better nozzel metal piston head
got 320 for a hour till the tappett plate broke (que three week wait)

4 put in new tappett plate



it still needs a 9.6v special battery to get the rof decent (acm fits a 9.6 mini as standard (allegedlly))


now the tm once upgraded is great great range reliable and very very accurate but yer looking at about 330euros to get it to that stage

so what i'd recommend it ask if you can get the acm one done to the standard that he did in the review mosfett and bearings and if i'm right a 9.6v mini

see what eirsoft would do that at i'd be surprised if the saving wasn't 100€ or more

Tigger

peter-pantslez wrote: »

cool, i saw some one keep taking one off before to wind it thats why i ask.

id say winding takes a while then

i use a little electric drill, lol
high caps on rosv are 2 for $15 (postage is £40) sowhen eirsoft get them in they will hopefiully be a ggod bit cheaper than the tm ones

Stercus Accidit

The mids for p90's are great looking though.

The TM p90 has a much higher stock rof then richie?

Its a slower clone motor then letting it down, and it has standard bushings which is a big plus.

Tigger

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

The mids for p90's are great looking though.

The TM p90 has a much higher stock rof then richie?

Its a slower clone motor then letting it down, and it has standard bushings which is a big plus.

i'd say its the spring my p90 is atr 320 fps now and on 8.4 v is 15 rps

stiffer spring is harder to compress

kdouglas

My tm p90 has great range, rate of fire and accuracy and definitely didnt cost me any ludicrous amount to get to that point.

1 joule spring
metal bushings
sanyo 9.6v J custom battery
tightbore barrel
guarder hopup rubber

some very basic upgrades which i've taken to doing with most of my regularly skirmished aegs now too

this new acm/echo1 p90 looks fairly decent though and i'd be mighty tempted to get one, dual-wielding p90's in a cqb/fibua site ftw

also, I've heard it's a metal upper receiver?

Masada

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

The TM p90 has a much higher stock rof then richie?

Its a slower clone motor then letting it down, and it has standard bushings which is a big plus.

Nope, I compared them both with 8.4 battery's earlier and they both stayed in around the 12rps mark, the ACM was a little quieter though. and a fair bit more powerful at about 315-317fps.,

theres very little to disappoint with the gun but they do tend to go to town on them with the grease. I removed all that and cleaned the gearbox out. The hopup was a bit wet with silicone oil too so id imagine it would have need a few rounds but through it before it would have and effect. that said its pis* easy to take the hopup out of these things. no tools needed.,

As it stands its a fully upgraded gun with impressive performance. the ,mods list is as follows,.,

• ACM P90 €160
• Gaurder Silicone Hopup Rubber €15
• 7mm Bearing bushings €15
• Promethius Shims €5 i think...
• "KD Special" Mosfet, €30-40ish. Got this from KD, works well, id reccomend them.
• Madbull "7 metal tooth" piston €15, just for sh*ts and giggles, wanna see how good these are.

Its a perfectly good gun out of the box but I like to try get the best out of them, I've ordered a high speed G&P M120 motor and a new barrel for it too.

Masada

kdouglas wrote: »

this new acm/echo1 p90 looks fairly decent though and i'd be mighty tempted to get one, dual-wielding p90's in a cqb/fibua site ftw

also, I've heard it's a metal upper receiver?

HAHA!, if only we had a camera earlier, i ambushed the lads while duel wielding a TM and an ACM one.,:D

Yeah the frony rail thingy is metal, and good news is, it'll be availible to buy seperately for all the TM owners out there.,

Captain Chaos

I'd be more interested in a metal upper for the RDS version, can't get them anywhere.

Fallschirmjager

thanks vtec...just what i needed to hear. i actually like the p90 but more as a nice to have and the TM one was just too costly for a nice to have. this is a great choice. i will be all over this when they do the red dot version.

jesus the local chipper in china must be well peeved with all the knocked off grease in there.


excellent news on the quality. thanks for stripping it and doing a full review...

daz801

do they make the version with the built in red dot???

Masada

Not that i know of.,

Head_Hunter

vtec wrote: »

HAHA!, if only we had a camera earlier, i ambushed the lads while duel wielding a TM and an ACM one.,:D

Yeah the frony rail thingy is metal, and good news is, it'll be availible to buy seperately for all the TM owners out there.,

Does Eirsoft sell that metal upper receiver?

Captain Chaos wrote: »

I'd be more interested in a metal upper for the RDS version, can't get them anywhere.

You can get one from here search code GP024. It is expensive though.

Masada

I think beast over on ASI was selling the metal rail your looking for "captain chaos".,

Does Eirsoft sell that metal upper receiver?

not that ive heard of anyway, but the company will be selling it as a separate piece,.,

Captain Chaos

vtec wrote: »

I think beast over on ASI was selling the metal rail your looking for "captain chaos".,

I'm looking for the whole upper reciever of the original design, not really into the rail top version. I may be converted though with a decent EoTech.

Tigger

kdouglas wrote: »

My tm p90 has great range, rate of fire and accuracy and definitely didnt cost me any ludicrous amount to get to that point.

1 joule spring
metal bushings
sanyo 9.6v J custom battery
tightbore barrel
guarder hopup rubber

how much did it cost all together

spring = 12
aeg=275
battery= i donno 20?
barrell= 20?
bushings= 7
rubber=5?

total = 339?

Masada

Little Update:
I got the chance to give this a good work out earlier today and the performance is very impressive, myself and Dex both had these and they performed flawlessly the whole day. both are around the 315ish fps mark and the range on them was impressive. there also super quiet and then we added silencers to tone it down a little more., those games with the limited ammo were brilliant with the 2 68rd mags that come with this thing. they hold just the right amount so your not a BB hose and not out guned either.,
So, over all, if someones lookin for a P90, dont buy an expencive TM one. first concider this baby, it fantastic, all be it, a fugly f*%ker, but good none the less.,

Fallschirmjager

well thats really good news....i see rsov is selling the hi caps as well...i rekon this will be a seller.....

one wonders does the bauld eirsoft have any in stock...??

i do have a question...if you put the g&p upper receiver for the old red dot version look ...where does one acquire a reddot for the p90??

i checked g&p and it looks as if it wants to use the host reddot on the tm..(now thats a guess)

Beast ASI

You can't

I've got a VFC reciever atm - Waiting for either JG/Echo1 to release an RD version, or just going to get the TM one.

NakedDex

Fallschirmjager wrote: »

one wonders does the bauld eirsoft have any in stock...??

Yes and no. Yes we did have them, no we don't anymore! We got a couple in to see what they were like. The result was vtec taking one, me taking one, and the other three being sold in less than four hours.

Incidentally, both vtec and I skirmished ours today and they were brilliant. For something so small they pack a hell of a punch. The range was great and the super compact size makes it amazing for going through kill houses and tight spaces. Even running with it was more comfortable than I was expecting.
I had intended to use my G&G SR25 today but that took a dump so I (initially) begrudgingly fell back on using this but was genuinely taken aback by it. Granted I've got a few upgrades in it already, but I was still very impressed.
They come with two mags, but no silencer (like the TM TR version would normally have) so out of sheer curiosity I threw on a Madbull Titanium silencer and the sound difference was incredible. I really recommend picking up even a stubby silencer if you're going to get one, it's one of the few aeg's I've seen a silencer make a difference on.
She rattled on all day and scored up a couple of dozen kills without breaking a sweat. I reckon TM are going to be in trouble with this. For about €120 less, you're getting something better than the TM version. It's like the JG G36c all over again, there's no longer any reason to get the high end version of this model.

Fallschirmjager

well i guess with a review like that....dex, we now know why tm are making model trains...dont get me wrong i like tm, they have great kit...but 120 euro is, well 120 euro...

sorry to hear about the g&g, hope she is okay....

Masada

Id agree with Dex there, the TM is certainly a very well built piece but not enough to justify the extra cost over this one.,

Im gonna pick up some of them 300rd mags from RSOV when there back in stock too, maybe get 1 of them and a few of the 68rounders, had a deadly laugh reloading them things mid firefight earlier today.,

TheDoc

im tempted to buy one.... you guys were dominating with them

Captain Chaos

Fallschirmjager wrote: »

well thats really good news....i see rsov is selling the hi caps as well...i rekon this will be a seller.....

one wonders does the bauld eirsoft have any in stock...??

i do have a question...if you put the g&p upper receiver for the old red dot version look ...where does one acquire a reddot for the p90??

i checked g&p and it looks as if it wants to use the host reddot on the tm..(now thats a guess)

Ordered one of those recievers a few days ago along with a TM P90 RDS, you just swap out the sight on to this. Should have the P90 today and the reciever later in the week. I was going to get the GB-Tech set with the silencer aswell but they were all out of stock. Ordered the P90 Gemtech silencer aswell.

Just looking for an upgrade kit to get it closer to the 1J mark.

Beast ASI

M100 Spring + 6mm Solid Bushings will get you there

NakedDex

Make sure you get the TM P90 specific bearing set though, those oval bearings are ridiculous.

Masada

Yeah theres 2 odd shaped bushings in the gearbox so normal ones wont do, same with the TM AUG. a Promethius MS90 spring will put you right on the sweet spot in the TM P90.,

zero19

Awesome, more P90s on the field, i am happy Noiseless hi cap goodness

Masada

nah, 68rd mags are more fun., me and dex had great craic with them on sunday, taking turns to cover and reload with speedloaders.,

NakedDex

Locaps man, they're bloody great craic when there's more than just me using them! There's a panic you get when you're running low on ammo that you don't get with anything else, especially under fire like we were that day. It was like the cabin was being sand blasted.

zero19

So the mags feed okay yeah? Work with TM P90's? I can see myself getting one of these ACM jobbies anyway

Masada

Yeah their the same magazine as the TM, ya get 2 68rd'ers with it too.,

zero19

Sweet...Hope santas reading this

Stercus Accidit

Fallschirmjager wrote: »

well thats really good news....i see rsov is selling the hi caps as well...i rekon this will be a seller.....

one wonders does the bauld eirsoft have any in stock...??

i do have a question...if you put the g&p upper receiver for the old red dot version look ...where does one acquire a reddot for the p90??

i checked g&p and it looks as if it wants to use the host reddot on the tm..(now thats a guess)

The real steel optic for the p-90 or ps-90 is available online.

In the us, the civvy model ps90 is often fitted with an aftermarket sight, so you can pick up the real FN p90 optic.

Never looked myself but apparently they are out there.

Captain Chaos

Thanks for the heads up, but with the recent issues of getting replica EoTech sights without customs running off with them I'll stick with what I have. It would be nice if there was a replica Ring Sight with the correct reticule instead of just the standard dot but it does the job.

Just waiting for the metal frame now, the P90 is a nice bit of fit. I have been putting off getting one since this time last year when I was mulling over getting this or an AUG A1. Got to hand to to TM the way the P90 comes presented with the ribbon around the box, the box art and the layout inside. A few AAA batteries for th sight would have been nice.:pac:

tmg

just got mine today, and wow - its really nice! changed out the hop bucking in a few minutes (probably the easiest one ever)

also noticed an echo sticker on the box, and a few marks on the mag and stock so it looks like its this one....

http://echo1usa.com/English/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13_83&products_id=353

review here- http://www.ascforums.com/showthread.php?t=71087

which lead me to this on wikipedia which seems to support vtec's point that a lot of it is jg



"ECHO 1 – An American company, spun off from JAG Precision, that rebrands AEGs. They test, repackage and rebrand many high quality Chinese clones, mainly from Jing Gong. They are known for their M4 line and the G36c. Their products come from China, which have been rebranded with, sometimes, few added accessories. They are one of the best choices for beginners for their selection of high performance and high quality AEGs or anyone on a tight budget. They also have a warranty for their guns and a guarantee that their AEGs are packaged with metal bushings and spring guides, which Jin Gong, unfortunately does not have. Some companies who are carrying JG’s products said that ECHO 1 USA is exactly the same as JG. This is totally incorrect. ECHO1’s products have been carefully selected before they ship to the US and even the internal parts are different."

Beast ASI

They may not be exactly the same, but they've got a strong family connection

amaughan

Beast ASI wrote: »

They may not be exactly the same, but they've got a strong family connection

how much are these little fellows haha

romperstomper

ND, thanks for the info. RSOV have these at about €140 delivered (inc vat), and i'm wondering if anyone has experience in their longetivity? I know the TMs will last, will the ACM?

(thanks)

NakedDex

You'll have to have it downgraded at source if you're importing it. They're a tad high.
I'm not sure if RSOV do downgrades anymore, you're better off emailing Keith there to check it first.

romperstomper

in that case, local is the way to go i guess. (no mention on rsov that they are hot).
will they last do ya think?

Masada

Nope, they wont do downgrades, theres a few other retailers out there that do though.,

as for its reliability, i stuck a systema turbo motor in mine while its still using its standard gears, and in the 2 main games ive used it id say its put out about 10'000rds through it,., its defo a reliable gun, just as reliable as the TM if not stronger since the TM gears sometimes dont like 1J springs.,

Head_Hunter

vtec wrote: »

Nope, they wont do downgrades, theres a few other retailers out there that do though.,

as for its reliability, i stuck a systema turbo motor in mine while its still using its standard gears, and in the 2 main games ive used it id say its put out about 10'000rds through it,., its defo a reliable gun, just as reliable as the TM if not stronger since the TM gears sometimes dont like 1J springs.,

What is the ROF like with the systema turbo?

Masada

22rounds per second.,

Head_Hunter

vtec wrote: »

22rounds per second.,

Nice