Government crack down on agressive begging.

Run_to_da_hills

The Government is to launch a clampdown on the growing army of aggressive street beggars. A new offence will carry a maximum penalty of a month in jail and a €700 fine. I wonder if this new law covers those guys that insist that your windscreen needs cleaning?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/new-law-to-crack-down-on-pushy-beggars-1550823.html

Biggins

Will it cover begging politicians looking for bigger wages?

A month in jail for a begger.

Thats being feed, housed, clothed and kept warm for a month.
...O' yea, they are going to fear that!

Run_to_da_hills

Beggars will now be considered criminals, it will give the authorities a bigger catchment for their new hand held thumb scanners.

ejmaztec

It beggars belief

Firetrap

You mean I won't have to encounter Big Issue sellers anymore going nyaaaaa pleee laydee

4zn76tysfajdxp

I'm begging you to stop starting these threads, Runny. For the love of criminy.

Run_to_da_hills

Firetrap wrote: »

You mean I won't have to encounter Big Issue sellers anymore going nyaaaaa pleee laydee

I won't be able to get my windscreen washed in traffic any more.

dfx-

Would this include the guy on Dame St who announced at the 19 stop..

"The cnuts won't give ya any chaaaaaaaaange"

Nichololas

But how are they going to pay the €700 fine? Beg more?

qz

ejmaztec wrote: »

It beggars belief

Die.

Terry

I hope this covers chuggers too.

ejmaztec

qz wrote: »

Die.

Beggar off!:P

humbert

I'm glad to hear it. I think it has been getting worse in Dublin anyway. It may not be the perfect solution but it's a lot better than nothing.

Overheal

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Beggars will now be considered criminals, it will give the authorities a bigger catchment for their new hand held thumb scanners.

I think you need to fashion yourself a tin foil hat for your avatar.

ejmaztec

Terry wrote: »

I hope this covers chuggers too.

Won't they be legally chugging for the beggars to prevent them starving to death as a result of a budgetary short-fall?

Terry

humbert wrote: »

I'm glad to hear it. I think it has been getting worse in Dublin anyway. It may not be the perfect solution but it's a lot better than nothing.

I was in Dublin last week and all I had was some guy bumming a cigarette off me.
I saw a few beggars, but it was mostly the laid out in the street with the cup in hand type.

ejmaztec wrote: »

Won't they be legally chugging for the beggars to prevent them starving to death as a result of a budgetary short-fall?

No, they would be hassling you so that they get some comission from the money they want from you.
The rest of it goes to charity bosses.

ejmaztec

What about the poor bastards who've just had their legs hacked off so that they could go pro? They won't have a leg to stand on.

javaboy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Beggars will now be considered criminals, it will give the authorities a bigger catchment for their new hand held thumb scanners.

Don't you ever get tired of fighting it all on your own? Give in RTDH. You can't keep running forever. Just close your eyes, relax and let Big Brother have his wicked way with you. It's not so bad. The brain implants periodically release endorphins to keep you compli... eh.. happy.

Join us. One of us. One of us.

Ass

This can only be a good thing. Nothing worse than a filthy drunken beggar cursing at you from the ground beside you, because you wont give him/her a crisp 50 when you're at the ATM.

There was an occasion where I was in temple bar in the queue for the ATM and some stupid hag was pushing every out of her way to get in between the ATM's so she could sit down and beg. Eventually I got to the top of the line and she asked me for money. I asked her what exactly she thought I was doing at an ATM machine if I had money, and then told her to piss off or I'd call the gardaí. She told me that she was going to call the gardaí. I laughed pretty loud in her face, and asked "with what exactly?". I proceeded to remind her of what a pathetic, worthless excuse of a sub-human being she was and she eventually buggered off.

I have no problem with homeless people or beggars. If ever I have a couple of coins in my pocket, if I see someone on the ground with a cup, I'll usually give them a bit of change, but when some smelly drunken slag is pushing people and forcing her way to the top of an ATM queue to beg at an ATM machine and is giving abuse to those who refuse to give her money, she can fuck right off.



They should ban people selling "the big issue" as well.

Keith186

Ass Face wrote: »

This can only be a good thing. Nothing worse than a filthy drunken beggar cursing at you from the ground beside you, because you wont give him/her a crisp 50 when you're at the ATM.

There was an occasion where I was in temple bar in the queue for the ATM and some stupid hag was pushing every out of her way to get in between the ATM's so she could sit down and beg. Eventually I got to the top of the line and she asked me for money. I asked her what exactly she thought I was doing at an ATM machine if I had money, and then told her to piss off or I'd call the gardaí. She told me that she was going to call the gardaí. I laughed pretty loud in her face, and asked "with what exactly?". I proceeded to remind her of what a pathetic, worthless excuse of a sub-human being she was and she eventually buggered off.

I have no problem with homeless people or beggars. If ever I have a couple of coins in my pocket, if I see someone on the ground with a cup, I'll usually give them a bit of change, but when some smelly drunken slag is pushing people and forcing her way to the top of an ATM queue to beg at an ATM machine and is giving abuse to those who refuse to give her money, she can fuck right off.



They should ban people selling "the big issue" as well.

You should have Ass Faced her when she was on the ground too for good measure

dr.bollocko

We in the trade prefer the term Executive Panhandler to agressive beggar thanks all the same bud.

ShooterSF

The funniest part has to be the €700 fine. Did no one question how this was gonna work?!

Bit like AIB charging me 7 quid for not having money in my account... but im not bitter :mad:

marcsignal

There are very few agressive beggars in Munich...... I wonder why ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WHT1BTCLHY

Run_to_da_hills

ShooterSF wrote: »

The funniest part has to be the €700 fine. Did no one question how this was gonna work?!

Easy, they will carry a cheque book.

ejmaztec

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Easy, they will carry a cheque book.

Out of your current account with an ATM card cloned when you were dodging the thought-police. :eek:

mikemac

Indeed, why beg beside an ATM?
In fact, many ATMS have 50 euro as the smallest note and the beggers must be dreaming if they think they are getting a crisp new banknote.

I understand begging at Luas or bus stops, people have change.
Feck off from the ATM's!

Btw, 700 euro fine or 1 month in jail. And no beggar is going to have 700 euro in cash and if do, that's looooooads for rent in a house-share and food for a month

Ross_Mahon

They are wrecking me head when I'm trying to buy a Luas ticket, Then I'm off the Luas and annoyed by some more on the streets, i realize that i need more money, So i proceed to the nearest ATM, Get hassled more by your man on the ground "Changgggee...", Out in the smoking area of a club...Then its your man that pretends his leg is broken walking along "howiya i need money for a hostel man".

Where are they coming from? There has to be a hive? And a queen to lead them?

marcsignal

'slightly' off topic, but...

I have it on good authority, from a person in a senior position in Welfare, that there is actually a surplus of beds provided for the homeless, there is a 24hr, 7 day service provided for this. So thoerethically there shouldn't be anyone sleeping rough in Dublin.

As for beggars in general, the best reply you can give when asked for money is:

"Sorry man, talk to your Welfare Officer"

Ross_Mahon

marcsignal wrote: »

'slightly' off topic, but...

I have it on good authority, from a person in a senior position in Welfare, that there is actually a surplus of beds provided for the homeless, there is a 24hr, 7 day service provided for this. So thoerethically there shouldn't be anyone sleeping rough in Dublin.

As for beggars in general, the best reply you can give when asked for money is:

"Sorry man, talk to your Welfare Officer"

So if I'm stuck for a place to stay?

Yakult

good luck getting 700 from them. They would prefere a month in Jail. dinner n'all lol

Húrin

humbert wrote: »

I'm glad to hear it. I think it has been getting worse in Dublin anyway. It may not be the perfect solution but it's a lot better than nothing.

This is regressive even by the government's standards. The reason for the increase in begging in Dublin is not due to insufficiently harsh penalties against begging.

mikemac

So what is the increase due to Hurin, in your opinion? Economic downturn?

Karl Hungus

micmclo wrote: »

And no beggar is going to have 700 euro in cash and if do, that's looooooads for rent in a house-share and food for a month

Wouldn't be too sure about that. Big business in begging, or so I've heard. This should give you an idea. This new law isn't coming into effect to stop some poor unfortunate who has no food or a place to stay.

Super Sidious

About time, its so annoying going to the local spar and having the same woman with a crutch saying "spare a euro sur?" every single person in a 5 metre radius is subjected to it, so god damn annoying. Glad to hear the Police are going to at least move them along now.

ejmaztec

flynner13 wrote: »

About time, its so annoying going to the local spar and having the same woman with a crutch saying "spare a euro sur?" every single person in a 5 metre radius is subjected to it, so god damn annoying. Glad to hear the Police are going to at least move them along now.

Isn't that usually referred to as a "man"?

boringteetotal

Should've been a crackdown on aggressive lending.

Run_to_da_hills

Could the Government not just wait just another couple of years for the NWO. Everything will be cashless and there will be no beggers.

javaboy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Could the Government not just wait just another couple of years for the NWO. Everything will be cashless and there will be no beggers.

Yet another benefit to the NWO. Which side are you on again?

phantom_lord

i get so tilted when i see people giving them money, if they stopped we wouldn't have to put up with them anymore.

Nodin

marcsignal wrote: »

There are very few agressive beggars in Munich...... I wonder why ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WHT1BTCLHY

In fairness I think he was struck down for the mullet as much as anything else....

Nodin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The Government is to launch a clampdown on the growing army of aggressive street beggars. A new offence will carry a maximum penalty of a month in jail and a €700 fine.

....despite the fact that the jails are overcrowded and a good deal of them won't be able to pay it. One wonders how much it cost to get this drafted etc.

Dave!

tbh it would suit them better to make sure the homeless all have hats, gloves and scarfs.

Berty

If they want to wash your car put on your wipers so they cant.

If they ask you for money ignore them. If they try to sell you the big issue they usually ask for money on top of it for themselves. If so, report them. There was an article on Ray Darcy on Today FM where the woman from big issue said to report all big issue beggars to her and she will sack them.

I was in London years ago and Burger King gave me a free voucher for a whopper because they had just launched them in the UK. I gave the voucher to a bum going down to the underground. He tore it up and told me to Fvck off. Some fvcking cheek. I was about to lunge at him and some stranger told me to "leave it mate, not worth it". Fvcking cheek. You cant even feed them.

Its the Romanians I hate in Limerick. I saw 3 raiding the clothes bin out the back of Henry St Garda station. I called the desk and told them to come out. I was half hoping they would come out and clobber the heads off them. No such luck. They must have been worn out for parking and speeding tickets.

Run_to_da_hills

The pepper spray will now come in handy for those that don't co operate

Freewheeling Ed

dr.bollocko wrote: »

We in the trade prefer the term Executive Panhandler to agressive beggar thanks all the same bud.

yes, but when at the ATM , they become ATMA ..or ATM attendants, and are covered under a different union.

Mark200

As long as it's only against aggressive beggars then I don't mind. I was told a story the other day of this poor guy, about 17, who used to beg outside a church every day. My granny got talking to him one time and he said how his parents died when he was a kid and he's been living on the streets since. He used to sit near the door, but never ask anyone for money...just have a cup there for anyone who wanted to give him money.

He needed to collect €14 a day to stay in a hostel that day, and he'd wash his clothes in the hostel that night if he got enough.

On the other side of the door every day there was a Romanian woman...always in everyones face trying to sell her Big Issue magazine.

So one day my granny is going into the church and she stops to talk to the guy as usual, and he says he won't be at the church anymore because the Romanian woman called the police and complained about his begging. So the police came and told him he's not allowed to beg and took the money that he had collected that day.

Yet the Romanian is allowed stay there because technically she's not begging, she's selling

Dyr

we need to be more creative than this, make it illegal to beg but legal to busk. therefore if we give some begging junkie or roma a euro they have to do a little dance for five minutes or face citizens arrest.


We should also dispense water syphons at ATM's so we can squirt junkies at our leisure

Or maybe means test the f***rs for a begging licence

ScumLord

You people have no compassion. Poor beggars, all they ask for is spare change for a hot cup of heroin, is that really so much to ask?

The punishments are ridiculous. There's no way they can pay the fine and would probably love to have a roof over their heads. Expect aggressive begging to pick up when the weather gets bad.

Dragan

Húrin wrote: »

This is regressive even by the government's standards. The reason for the increase in begging in Dublin is not due to insufficiently harsh penalties against begging.

And how do you explain the increase in agressive begging? Because it is most assuredly on the rise.

Twice in three months i have had "hands put on me" by people begging when i told them i didn't have what they were looking for. Both times i was asked for a smoke and said "sorry dude, i have no smokes on me". Both times the person in question reached out and grabbed the front of my jacket and asked me for money. Both times they were told to let go and refused.

Now, i didn't give too much of a ****, i'm not going to worry about a homeless guy, both let go fairly sharpish after the correct application of pressure.

I do wonder if they are willing to take those tactics with someone my stature then what else are the desperate enough to do to try and get some cash?

Dyr

ScumLord wrote: »

The punishments are ridiculous. There's no way they can pay the fine and would probably love to have a roof over their heads. Expect aggressive begging to pick up when the weather gets bad.

Majority of people that i see out tappin' are junkies and gypsies, neither fall into the homeless category by and large. I'm pretty sure charles dickens wouldnt be impressed.

ChickCool

i was at a restaurant a while go off grafton st seating outside on the terrace.meal took about 40 mins and in that time no less than 6 beggers came up to ask for money.only one accepted no and left,the others stayed hassling us while we were trying to eat our dinner.the table next to us comlained to the manager and suggested putting up a higher screen or having a waitress on the terrace to ask them to move along.they just said it wasnt there problem.i feel bad for most of these people but theyjust p!ssed me off wrecking our meal.