Cotoure v Lidell IV

dunkamania

The rematch that no one asked for could be on the cards for 2009.

First UFC in Germany, Randy speaks german, and UFC are thinking it would be a better PPV number than Liddell v Silva, fllowing disappointing numbers from Cote v Silva

The Sparrow

Yeah I heard Dave Meltzer mention that last week. It makes sense I guess. I'd definitely head over to Germany see that if it ended up there.

Although you would presume they could make much more money if it was a US based PPV.

I really don't want to see this. Both are way past their best IMO.

Derek Coleman

Yeah this is a Lose-Lose situation in my view. More to be lost than gained. A defeat here for either one reflects bad on great careers.
I'd rather see Couture v Silva at 205.

Nothingcompares

Couture speaks german?

bjj-fighter

I think I read somewhere that he is a qualified German teacher

He served for the US Army in Germany for a few years, its likely true.

Vince135792003

Derek Coleman wrote: »

Yeah this is a Lose-Lose situation in my view. .

It's win-win for UFC. It's a really logical, smart business move (with the winner probably fighting the winner of Mesnar/Mir/Nogueira) that will make money for all concerned.

cletus

Vince135792003 wrote: »

It's win-win for UFC. It's a really logical, smart business move (with the winner probably fighting the winner of Mesnar/Mir/Nogueira) that will make money for all concerned.

If this fight happens, it'll probably happen at LHW, not HW, so unlikley that the winner would fight any of the above

EDIT: Possibly Liddell has moved up and I didn't hear, so I'm open to correction

dunkamania

Its all rumours, but probably happen at HW, hard for a guy Randys age to cut

Dragan

Not a fight i particularly want to see to be honest. They have fought 3 times and both have a limited number of fights left. I would rather see them fight other people.

SuperWoody101

They are set to fight a UFC 99 in Germany.

ROC1977

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=312325

UFC fighters get the boot for not sticking their faces in the new 360/PS3 game.

Cote V Silvia had **** viewings coz Cote is useless. Another fighter that shouldn't have gotten a title shot. And to make the fight worse Silvia decided he would just run around the ring shaping.

I'm telling ya WWE fighter will be all over the UFC in the next 18months. And probably kimbo too. **** it just get the king of the travellers in it too. lol

rovert

ROC1977 wrote: »

I'm telling ya WWE fighter will be all over the UFC in the next 18months. And probably kimbo too. **** it just get the king of the travellers in it too. lol

LOL do you post on Sherdog or are doing a parody of one?

Fozzy

ROC1977 wrote: »

Cote V Silvia had **** viewings coz Cote is useless.

You do realise that the buyrate was in line with every other Anderson Silva PPV? Do you blame his opponents for all of that?

ROC1977

Fozzy wrote: »

You do realise that the buyrate was in line with every other Anderson Silva PPV? Do you blame his opponents for all of that?

No I'm not blaming him, I blame Dana white. Bad match making. White matches him up with punch bags. Silva finishes most of his fights quickly, so I wouldn't be surprised if Dana white told Silva to make the fight last.Which would explain why in the first 3 rounds Silva barely through a punch.

Fozzy

ROC1977 wrote: »

White matches him up with punch bags.

Who would you suggest that they match him up with?

ROC1977

rovert wrote: »

LOL do you post on Sherdog or are doing a parody of one?

I don't both with Sherdog. Firewalled at work! lol

Come on lads you have to realize that the RandyV Brock fight was just a money spinner. Brock Lesnar has no business in the UFC, not unless they match him up with some at least near his own weight. Superheavy weight.

rovert

ROC1977 wrote: »

I don't both with Sherdog. Firewalled at work! lol

Come on lads you have to realize that the RandyV Brock fight was just a money spinner.

How dare a MMA company make money! :mad:

ROC1977 wrote: »

Brock Lesnar has no business in the UFC, not unless they match him up with some at least near his own weight. Superheavy weight.

Brock Lesnar is a 2 time NCAA Champion if you actually think this that you are fool.

He is fighting in the weight class meant for his size, I dont see the problem. It was Randy's choice to step up to the heavyweight division.

ROC1977

Fozzy wrote: »

Who would you suggest that they match him up with?

Robbie Lawler, Mike Bisping, Dan Henderson off the top of my head. Now I'm not saying any of them will beat Silva. But at least they would be decent fights.

rovert

ROC1977 wrote: »

Robbie Lawler, Mike Bisping, Dan Henderson off the top of my head. Now I'm not saying any of them will beat Silva. But at least they would be decent fights.

One minute you want rankings and the next you are looking for entertaining fights.

Fozzy

ROC1977 wrote: »

Come on lads you have to realize that the RandyV Brock fight was just a money spinner.

Yes, because it was a fight that many, many people wanted to see

ROC1977 wrote: »

Brock Lesnar has no business in the UFC

He beat the heavyweight champion... If that's the case then Couture and Herring have no business in the UFC having lost to him. And what about Mir, he came close to losing too

ROC1977 wrote: »

not unless they match him up with some at least near his own weight. Superheavy weight.

Do you feel the same way about all the other fighters who cut weight to make it into a weight class?

ROC1977

rovert wrote: »

One minute you want rankings and the next you are looking for entertaining fights.

Look, Henderson Ex Pride champion., Bisping lost only 1 fight, Lawler also a top fighter. If there was a ranking system they would be way up the ranking.

rovert

ROC1977 wrote: »

Look, Henderson Ex Pride champion., Bisping lost only 1 fight, Lawler also a top fighter. If there was a ranking system they would be way up the ranking.

Look! there is still a contradict there.

ROC1977

The only people who wanted to see Lesnar fight in the UFC are WWE fans.

I've no problem with people cutting weight. Its more the point that heavy weight dev is too wide.

Plus I'm being miss quoted. I didn't say Lesnar has no place in the UFC. I said at heavyweight. If guys the size of him are allowed to fight guys 4 stone lighter than odds are the big guy will win, even more so when its a grappler v grappler.

Clive

Silva already beat Henderson, Lawler hasn't signed with the UFC yet and Bispings recent record is far less impressive than Cote's.

Cote was the logical opponent.

ROC1977

rovert wrote: »

Look! there is still a contradict there.

Sort your grammar out. The word your looking for is contradiction. Please explain why that post is a contradiction?

Fozzy

ROC1977 wrote: »

The only people who wanted to see Lesnar fight in the UFC are WWE fans.

Then why did so many UFC fans pay to watch him fight?

ROC1977 wrote: »

I've no problem with people cutting weight. Its more the point that heavy weight dev is too wide.

Plus I'm being miss quoted. I didn't say Lesnar has no place in the UFC. I said at heavyweight. If guys the size of him are allowed to fight guys 4 stone lighter than odds are the big guy will win, even more so when its a grappler v grappler.

Lighter guys have beaten heavier guys at heavyweight plenty of times. Don't blame Brock for being within the weight limit, blame Couture for fighting at the same weight as a lightheavyweight guy

Are you mad about all the other big heavyweights? Should Tim Sylvia be kicked out of the heavyweight division?

Roper

Clive wrote: »

Silva already beat Henderson, Lawler hasn't signed with the UFC yet and Bispings recent record is far less impressive than Cote's.

Cote was the logical opponent.

Lawler hardly set the world on fire in his last UFC contract, so I can't see them chasing him again.

rovert

ROC1977 wrote: »

The only people who wanted to see Lesnar fight in the UFC are WWE fans

I completely and utterly disagree. Look at the traffic on the aforementioned Sherdog board for UFC 91. All the hardcores were watch that fight and that event. UFC was in many industry estimates the most watch MMA event in bars in the States. It's and his appeal transcended into the general public. Most PRIDE fans in Japan were Wrestling fans too current and former. Your point?

I hate speaking in generalisations but most UFC fans are or were WWE fans going back years. When Wrestlers are shown in the crowd they get cheered by the crowd far louder than A list celebrities.

ROC1977 wrote: »

Plus I'm being miss quoted. I didn't say Lesnar has no place in the UFC. I said at heavyweight. If guys the size of him are allowed to fight guys 4 stone lighter than odds are the big guy will win, even more so when its a grappler v grappler.

You have mentioned him in the same light as Kimbo.

Again the fighters agree to fight at that division.

ROC1977 wrote: »

Sort your grammar out. The word your looking for is contradiction. Please explain why that post is a contradiction?

You are right, to see the contradiction see post #21. You want pure rankings but still wish to flex them.

ROC1977

I never said it was Brock or Randys fault. Dana White's fault. Yes lots of people wanted to see the fight. Why??? To see Randy win.

The same way I stayed up to watch it as usual. I hate WWE. And thats just my opinion. I'm not here to get into heated debates, just to make my point. Which none of you seem to grasp.

All I'm saying the weight devision need to be re thought, and a ranking system needs to be implemented. Sport isn't sport if it isn't fair.

Both fighters agreed to fight alright, I'd fight Lesnar myself for 200k. And I'm half his weight.
Any passed the day at work anyway. You you lads again tomorrow!! lol

gimmick

Nonsense. So the majority of the buyers and watchers of UFC 91 did so for the purpose of seeing Lesnar lose? Incredible assertion that. Myself, and I am a wrestling fan, the lustre of this fight was to see a fight between a very green fighter fight one of the most experienced and decorated guys in the company. Now is that my opinion as a wrestling fan or an MMA fan?

All I'm saying the weight devision need to be re thought, and a ranking system needs to be implemented

As rovert pointed out already, you say in one breath that people should deserve title shots, and with the next entertaining fights should be at the fore? Which is it to be?

I cannot see where White went wrong in putting Couture out against Lesnar. It was a money fight which may not have been available in 6 months time had either had a very damaging loss in the meantime. Thats good business to me. And I might add, sport IS business now.

Professey Chin

ROC1977 wrote: »

I never said it was Brock or Randys fault. Dana White's fault. Yes lots of people wanted to see the fight. Why??? To see Randy win.

The same way I stayed up to watch it as usual. I hate WWE. And thats just my opinion. I'm not here to get into heated debates, just to make my point. Which none of you seem to grasp.

All I'm saying the weight devision need to be re thought, and a ranking system needs to be implemented. Sport isn't sport if it isn't fair.

Both fighters agreed to fight alright, I'd fight Lesnar myself for 200k. And I'm half his weight.
Any passed the day at work anyway. You you lads again tomorrow!! lol

Joe Silva is the matchmaker, not Dana White although Id say he does have final approval.

I really don't remember anyone giving out about weight limits when Randy was fighting Tim(263 i think) or Gonzaga(close to 240/250).
The UFC is a business and is never gonna have a ranking system cause it would prevent exciting fights. If they did Machida would be a lot higher towards a LHW shot then most of the division but Griffin vs Machida isn't gonna have much of an appeal to a lot of the people who buy PPVs.
And it is fair really, this is the division they agree to fight in and they know the risks. Or would you prefer a boxing structure. Sure we can split heavyweight. What about people 195lb.Lets get a Super-MW division. 163lb?Light Welterweight sure. Can't solve old age with new weight classes since I think the average HW is about 235/240 now and a lot are bulking up even more.

Karmafaerie

ROC1977 wrote: »

Robbie Lawler, Mike Bisping, Dan Henderson off the top of my head. Now I'm not saying any of them will beat Silva. But at least they would be decent fights.

Ring any bells?

dunkamania

Guys, try and stick to the topic, or else you will awaken the Dragan...........

rovert

ROC1977 wrote: »

I never said it was Brock or Randys fault. Dana White's fault. Yes lots of people wanted to see the fight. Why??? To see Randy win.

Dana’s fault?

So WWE fans wanted Randy to win now? Pardon.

ROC1977 wrote: »

The same way I stayed up to watch it as usual. I hate WWE.

The truth comes out. What does this got to do with anything by the way? Why take it out on them or Brock even? Do you hate Gina Carano for bringing female viewers to the sport? Do you hate women?

ROC1977 wrote: »

And thats just my opinion. I'm not here to get into heated debates, just to make my point. Which none of you seem to grasp.

I grasp it as it is the typical Sherdogger opinion it is totally ass backward and shows a complete lack of understanding of fight promotion and in actual fact MMA history.

ROC1977 wrote: »

All I'm saying the weight devision need to be re thought, and a ranking system needs to be implemented. Sport isn't sport if it isn't fair.

You know there is a thing called a Commission which over sees the fairness of fights?

To me you just come across as feeling emasculated because a “fake” Pro Wrestler won a MMA title.

ROC1977 wrote: »

Both fighters agreed to fight alright, I'd fight Lesnar myself for 200k. And I'm half his weight.

:rolleyes: I know it is a joke but an athletic commission would sanction it? No because in their assessment it isn’t fair. The Heavyweight limit was been set for a long time. But as soon as a “fake” pro wrestler wins it. People start crying about it.

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Joe Silva is the matchmaker, not Dana White although Id say he does have final approval.

HOW DARE YOU CORRECT A LONG TIME FAN :pac:

Anyway back to the topic at hand.

Dragan

dunkamania wrote: »

Guys, try and stick to the topic, or else you will awaken the Dragan...........

Good point.

Roper

That could be anyone. I mean, aside from the publicity shot, when do you actually see Henderson's face in the photos?

It never happened, just like the moonwalk...




Michael Jackson didn't really do that.

ROC1977

gimmick wrote: »

Nonsense. So the majority of the buyers and watchers of UFC 91 did so for the purpose of seeing Lesnar lose? Incredible assertion that. Myself, and I am a wrestling fan, the lustre of this fight was to see a fight between a very green fighter fight one of the most experienced and decorated guys in the company. Now is that my opinion as a wrestling fan or an MMA fan?



As rovert pointed out already, you say in one breath that people should deserve title shots, and with the next entertaining fights should be at the fore? Which is it to be?

Wresting fan.
Show me where I said this. I was asked who I would have liked to see Silva fight over Cote.

Too many people don't read post. Jump in half way through, and make statements. Miss quote, and are WWE fanboys. And if fairness ANY adult who watches WWE who isn't bringing a child to watch it is a complete moron anyway. And their limited opinion on fighting should be left with the Red neck inbreed yanks that they emulate to be.
I think won't be posting on MMA here anymore. I'll post on a site where people know what they are talking about.

Dragan

ROC1977 wrote: »

Wresting fan.
Show me where I said this. I was asked who I would have liked to see Silva fight over Cote.

Too many people don't read post. Jump in half way through, and make statements. Miss quote, and are WWE fanboys. And if fairness ANY adult who watches WWE who isn't bringing a child to watch it is a complete moron anyway. And their limited opinion on fighting should be left with the Red neck inbreed yanks that they emulate to be.
I think won't be posting on MMA here anymore. I'll post on a site where people know what they are talking about.

Right, take a time out then.

Enjoy.

Professey Chin

rovert wrote: »

:rolleyes: I know it is a joke but an athletic commission would sanction it? No because in their assessment it isn’t fair. The Heavyweight limit was been set for a long time. But as soon as a “fake” pro wrestler wins it. People start crying about it.

If I remember right that happened with some fights on Prides vegas shows. Since Pride didn't exactly enforce weight classes(except in title fights) anyone could fight anyone but on a couple of proposed fights the NSAC wouldn't approve the fights cause of size in 1 case and ground advantage in another. I think

HOW DARE YOU CORRECT A LONG TIME FAN :pac:

My mistake

rovert

I never knew that being a fan of Wrestling & MMA is mutually exclusive until today.

Professey Chin

rovert wrote: »

I never knew that being a fan of Wrestling & MMA is mutually exclusive until today.

Didn't you know? Sherdog started this campaign a long time ago. Sakuraba's the only former pro-wrestler allowed

Roper

I think most people's problem was with the timescale of Lesnar's match with Randy. One win. One loss and boom, you're big time.

That being said there's not too many heavyweights out there.

Professey Chin

Roper wrote: »

That being said there's not too many heavyweights in the UFC

Fixed :pac:
Affliction has a great HW roster....just not much else right now

gimmick

So, Cotoure V Liddell IV eh?

Dragan

Roper wrote: »

I think most people's problem was with the timescale of Lesnar's match with Randy. One win. One loss and boom, you're big time.

That being said there's not too many heavyweights out there.

I think perhaps the justification for Lesnar not getting a title shot would have been had he lost?*

*Devil's Advocate

rovert

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Didn't you know? Sherdog started this campaign a long time ago. Sakuraba's the only former pro-wrestler allowed

To quote one poster from another board "Hélio Gracie must be rolling over in his grave"

Roper wrote: »

I think most people's problem was with the timescale of Lesnar's match with Randy. One win. One loss and boom, you're big time.

Again see my point about Randy being first fighter to win a UFC title in 4 fights.

I dont think is the timescale people have been bitching about Brock ever since he joined UFC. I really do think it seems that Brock emasculates REAL MMA fans. But look at him and his background for just one second objectively?

Roper wrote: »

That being said there's not too many heavyweights out there.

Too true there wasnt much depth until Randy stepped up and Brock came along. Prior it was more a hamster wheel than a division.

gimmick

Going off topic again - but I have neevr read Sherdog. But what was their opinion of Houston Alexander 18 months ago? Hate or love?

Professey Chin

gimmick wrote: »

Going off topic again - but I have neevr read Sherdog. But what was their opinion of Houston Alexander 18 months ago? Hate or love?

None since his 1st UFC fight was 17 months ago ......wait nope Im counting wrong. Your made it by a few days damn you
Back then it was Houston vs Rampage debates a lot. You'd be amazed how the mood there changes without being civilised(im a lurker there :pac: )

Back on topic - I really really don't want to see that fight. Watch it yes but want it no. Theres better people to have fight even without them speaking german. Could just use Randy like a press officer and give them a fight people want.

Karmafaerie

Roper wrote: »

I think most people's problem was with the timescale of Lesnar's match with Randy. One win. One loss and boom, you're big time.

That being said there's not too many heavyweights out there.

What everyone seems to forget is that Randy won his first title in only his 4th fight too.

Brock became the second person to accomplish this fete by beating Randy, which has a certain poetry to it.

Edit: Beaten too it.