Cyclists and ROR

cyclopath2001

HonalD wrote: »

I've been very reasonable to date ignoring your smart comments and sharp replies. "We" are all road users so quit "while you still think you're ahead"....you don't have to have the last say........:mad:

So now we finally agree nobody's better than the other. That just leaves the matter of your apology.

cyclopath2001

AugustusMaximus wrote: »

Surely the most sweeping statement in this entire thread yet

It's a debatable statement. Just tonight, I'm at a T-junction, stopped at lights, car behind me, he's no indication left or right. I'm sticking my arm out in the freezing cold. No reaction.

AugustusMaximus wrote: »

1. Is it also OK for motorists to run red lights as long as the path is perfectly clear.

'Also'? Is this a trick question? It's normally not OK for either cyclists or motorists. BTW the rule is to stop on amber. But I see a great many motorists ignoring this rule.

AugustusMaximus wrote: »

2. Why aren't cyclists lobbying for the ROR's to be changed to allow cyclists to run red lights ?

That would be an unrealistic waste of time. Better to campaign for better law enforcement & a reform of the cycle track laws.

AugustusMaximus wrote: »

3. Is it time for cyclists to have insurance ? What happens when a cyclists causes a traffic accident ?

Where a cyclist causes an accident, the cyclist would be liable and can be pursued in the civil courts. The reason why insurance is not compulsory is because the incidence of cyclist-liable accidents and the amount of damage and injury involved is quite low. The risks contrast with the almost daily carnage involving motorists.

Therefore, I suggest it is not time for it to be compulsory.

Traumadoc

HonalD wrote: »

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I find that ANY sweeping statements about either of the sexes obnoxious - it amplifies the "them and us" opinions even further. (again, I have deliberately not disclosed whether I am male or female!)

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"them and us" ??? How exactly does it amplify that??


This is not a sexist argument this is a common sense issue;
Why do you think Gardai turn a blind eye to it?

HonalD

Traumadoc wrote: »

"them and us" ??? How exactly does it amplify that??


This is not a sexist argument this is a common sense issue;
Why do you think Gardai turn a blind eye to it?

Traumadoc, I've said a number of times that this thread should close - the sexisim relates to the UK article - Let's move on.......please

HonalD

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

So now we finally agree nobody's better than the other. That just leaves the matter of your apology.

Firstly, it would be potentially libellous to say that we agree on anything......:D

As regards an apology, you'll be waiting but it's a nice try at provocation.......:(

Now, let's move on.........:p

cyclopath2001

HonalD wrote: »

Firstly, it would be potentially libellous to say that we agree on anything..

So you don't agree with obeying road traffic law? I do.

HonalD wrote: »

As regards an apology, you'll be waiting but it's a nice try at provocation.......:(

You've implied I break red lights. I don't.

When you make a mistake when driving, you admit it or just 'move on'?

Traumadoc

HonalD wrote: »

Traumadoc, I've said a number of times that this thread should close - the sexisim relates to the UK article - Let's move on.......please

More women cyclists are being killed - and pointing this out is sexist??

God I hope they dont come out with articles pointing out that young men are proportionally more likely to be involved in fatal RTAs. Sexist and agist?

HonalD

Traumadoc wrote: »

More women cyclists are being killed - and pointing this out is sexist??

So you've read the report then or have you just believed what you read in the paper......Just because it is in The Times, doesn't make it correct.

There is no basis for the sweeping statement that "More women cyclists are being killed" - if you still want an argument, check out the fatal accident statistics for cyclists in Ireland - Thank you and Goodnight. :P

HonalD

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

So you don't agree with obeying road traffic law?

When you make a mistake when driving, you admit it or just 'move on'?

2 things smartar*e - Don't presume you know me or what I agree with and who said I drive at all?

Get over it :mad:

Traumadoc

HonalD wrote: »

So you've read the report then or have you just believed what you read in the paper......Just because it is in The Times, doesn't make it correct.

There is no basis for the sweeping statement that "More women cyclists are being killed" - if you still want an argument, check out the fatal accident statistics for cyclists in Ireland - Thank you and Goodnight. :P

How is it sexist???
The point is at traffic lights cyclists who obey the rules may be at more danger than those who do not. That was the basis for this thread.
It also states that

Cyclists killed on city streets tend to be low speed crashes where cyclists are killed by HGVs.

The thread was based on why cyclists do not obey the ROTR, I pointed out that there is an argument that cyclists who obey the rules may be in more danger.
You repost was the article was sexist.
or that you should not believe what you read in the paper.

Why dont you call me a name.
I would expect it.

cyclopath2001

HonalD wrote: »

who said I drive at all?

Why play games? A quick look at your other postings would answer that question:

HonalD wrote: »

"And I thought I was the only one getting hate mail from Toll Company. I now have 8 letters telling me I haven't paid on 8 different occasions...only problem - I have!

Unless, that is, you were walking on a toll road?

keefg

There seems to be a lot of huffing & puffing about cyclist breaking red lights in the thread which I think is a bit pointless.

As long as it's safe to do so I think it's fair enough that bikes should take advantage and make up a bit of time......but if there is an accident between a bike & car (truck, bus etc) in this situation then the motorist should not be villafied (sp?) as some sort of anti-social monster because they hit a cyclist.

My main gripe with cyclists is the number of complete morons who ride without any form of lights or reflection in dark & wet conditions.

And for all the cyclists on this thread....don't bother coming back to me saying "Well I see cars driving with no lights as well", that is not a valid reply because in most cases the driver will notice their error within a few mins and turn their lights on.

Cyclists however are different because the morons who don't bother with lights or reflective clothing etc...continue this behaviour day in and day out and there are thousands out there who do it.

Cyclists who bother to take their own safety seriously by wearing hi-viz clothing and ensuring their bikes have proper lighting are in the minority in this country.

Forget about the police wasting time on cyclist jumping red lights etc, I would rather see them stop the morons without lights etc and confiscate their bikes, maybe, just maybe then they will learn.

Traumadoc

Could not agree with you more, the amount of times I have nearly hit a cyclist in dark clothing with no lights makes me shudder, especially in leafy suburbs such as rathgar/rathmines

cyclopath2001

+1

For less than 100 euro you can equip a bike with very effective lights, spare abtteries and reflectors and yet, I see many people with no lights or feeble gimmicky ones attached to their clothing.

We also need to do something about cars parking on the roadside at night. It's not just the fact they don't use their lights and have dark-coloured paint, but also that this forces cyclists to ride much further out on the road. This exposes them to more risk and holds up traffic.

murphaph

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

It's a debatable statement. Just tonight, I'm at a T-junction, stopped at lights, car behind me, he's no indication left or right. I'm sticking my arm out in the freezing cold.

<Brrrr>, you should get a car CP.

cyclopath2001

murphaph wrote: »

<Brrrr>, you should get a car CP.

I already have one, plus three bikes. I prefer cycling.

I guess that one explanation might be that the guy's indicators were not working and it was too cold for him to stick his arm out the window.

HonalD

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

Why play games? A quick look at your other postings would answer that question: Unless, that is, you were walking on a toll road?

For the love of God - quit while you think you are ahead - Just because I am the registered owner of a car that used the toll on the M50 - doesn't mean that I am a driver - at this stage, why don't you just go out and play with the traffic....or something useful...........

HonalD

Traumadoc wrote: »

How is it sexist???
The point is at traffic lights cyclists who obey the rules may be at more danger than those who do not. That was the basis for this thread.
It also states that

Cyclists killed on city streets tend to be low speed crashes where cyclists are killed by HGVs.

The thread was based on why cyclists do not obey the ROTR, I pointed out that there is an argument that cyclists who obey the rules may be in more danger.
You repost was the article was sexist.
or that you should not believe what you read in the paper.

Why dont you call me a name.
I would expect it.

Traumadoc, the high moral ground is all yours...................:p

Traumadoc

Thanks

AugustusMaximus

Witnessed a cyclist nearly getting knocked down outside of Woodies DIY in Cork on Saturday morning.

Ran a red light and a car nearly went straight into the side of him. Absolutely crazy what he did. Fair enough if the pedestrian light was on, he'd know he was safe but he had no idea what was coming.

Quint

I missed a cyclists by inches about a month ago. She came up from Wexford Street in dublin, I was coming from Kevin Street, she completely broke the lights, I swerved to avoid her and almost crashed in the process too. I was tempted to go after her to give her a piece of my mind

monument

Quint wrote: »

I missed a cyclists by inches about a month ago. She came up from Wexford Street in dublin, I was coming from Kevin Street, she completely broke the lights, I swerved to avoid her and almost crashed in the process too. I was tempted to go after her to give her a piece of my mind

AugustusMaximus wrote: »

Witnessed a cyclist nearly getting knocked down outside of Woodies DIY in Cork on Saturday morning.

Ran a red light and a car nearly went straight into the side of him. Absolutely crazy what he did. Fair enough if the pedestrian light was on, he'd know he was safe but he had no idea what was coming.

What is the point of these two post?

I see motorist doing silly silly things every day... so what exactly is the point posting about these to things you two saw on a thread more than three months old???