Imported vehicles new Requirements

R Palmer

Included in to-days finance bill:mad:

Following concerns about the number of cars being imported from Britain and Northern Ireland, the Bill will mean an NCT assessment must be carried out on such vehicles before they are registered in Ireland.

The Department says this is to ensure the cars are correctly registered, with the aim of reducing the number of vehicles that may be fitted with extras that are not currently declared.

In addition, vehicles brought into the State for more than 42 days will have to be temporarily registered in the State.

The Minister says he is responding to concerns from the motor industry in this regard and these measures are one element of an overall strategy to reduce the number of cars being imported to the detriment of the industry here.

Stevie Dakota

Can’t see the harm really, another hoop to jump through but if you are importing a car legit then you shouldn’t have a problem with these measures.

Recon

If they want to reduce the amount of people importing cars they should cop on with the taxes they charge on cars here. Why do they think people go to the trouble of importing cars in the first place? And since people are going to all that trouble anyway, it's not really going to be that big of a deal having to do these one or two new things.

Dermo123

I don't really understand the gov logic here. If people are making a saving by importing a car from the UK how will NCTing it before they register it put them off?
The NCT is not setup to check the options on a car. I cannot see how there measures will put people off getting bargains in the UK

R Palmer

R Palmer wrote: »

The Department says this is to ensure the cars are correctly registered, with the aim of reducing the number of vehicles that may be fitted with extras that are not currently declared.

they hate people to have anythin they dont know about
lol

this isnt about safety or anythin, its about causing hassle for importing cars.
Just to put people off.

Sure isnt it illegal to drive without an NCT already

Zonda999

Deleted User wrote: »

they hate people to have anythin they dont know about
lol

this isnt about safety or anythin, its about causing hassle for importing cars.
Just to put people off.

Sure isnt it illegal to drive without an NCT already

Exactly, and i can see more hindrances like this coming in the future...

It BeeMee

R Palmer wrote: »

Included in to-days finance bill:mad:

Following concerns about the number of cars being imported from Britain and Northern Ireland, the Bill will mean an NCT assessment must be carried out on such vehicles before they are registered in Ireland.

So you've to prove a car is roadworthy before you can legally drive it : where's the problem with that?

However, what are the chances of being able to NCT a car, and VRT it, within one working day???

R Palmer wrote: »

The Department says this is to ensure the cars are correctly registered, with the aim of reducing the number of vehicles that may be fitted with extras that are not currently declared.

At least they're honest about it...

R Palmer

"In addition, vehicles brought into the State for more than 42 days will have to be temporarily registered in the State."

So the above means if you live in NI and visit your parents over the border twice a week which equals 96 days a year you need to temporarily register your car in the state.Or am i reading this wrong.

Stevie Dakota

R Palmer wrote: »

"In addition, vehicles brought into the State for more than 42 days will have to be temporarily registered in the State."

Yet another measure that is almost impossible to enforce. This Government is a joke, the outcry on crime, yet they want the Gardai to act as collectors for the revenue instead of dealing with crime, I hope the Gardai treat this measure with contempt it deserves.

Paddy001

R Palmer wrote: »

"In addition, vehicles brought into the State for more than 42 days will have to be temporarily registered in the State."

So the above means if you live in NI and visit your parents over the border twice a week which equals 96 days a year you need to temporarily register your car in the state.Or am i reading this wrong.

I'd imagine it's 42 consecutive days

EI-EAY

With waiting lists of up to 5 weeks in some NCT centres this will mean private importers will have to wait 5 weeks to drive their car. I wonder have SIMI been lobbying for this?? Wont matter half as much to dealers with TAN numbers who dont have to register straight away anyway.

-Chris-

How will NCTing the car help in the identification of optional extras? That doesn't make sense to me.

L-M

I'm sure that's there reason to check over the car for any extra's. When does this come into effect?

-Chris-

But the NCT test doesn't list the spec of the cars, does it?

The NCT testers would need to know the spec of all cars in detail - what's included in a 3-Series SE vs ES spec vs an A4 SE spec? Does the car have SatNav? Is Rear PDC standard? - and then this information would need to be documented somewhere and fed to Revenue.

Is it do-able, am I missing something simple?

siralfalot

hahahahahah!!!! NCT for Spec??? seriously like?

ok first of all, some cars in the uk are higher specced as standard than Irish cars,
second, say I arrive at the NCT with a TVR Tuscan, sure they won't know what make it is never mind what extras it has!!

its just bullsh1t to keep SIMI happy

Lex Luthor

AudiChris wrote: »

The NCT testers would need to know the spec of all cars in detail - what's included in a 3-Series SE vs ES spec vs an A4 SE spec?

and we all thought the VRO knew all this info already....how wrong we were..!!!:eek:

Darsad

An NCT on imports prior to registration is a cop out at introducing a proper vehicle certification agency , but then its no harm that imports are checked thoroughly prior to registration which is certainly not the case at present .

ddea

Regarding a vehicle's roadworthiness, imports greater than four years old are supposed to get an NCT already, once they have been registered here. I'm not sure how strictly this is enforced. It has been assumed until now that vehicles less than four years old are roadworthy(same as Irish bought). It is already the job of the VRT assessor to check for extras and like others I can't see NCT assessors doing this. As far as I can see, the only reason for the change in law is purely to make life more difficult for anyone wanting to import, which has been partly admitted.

Checked the revenue website, says likely implementation date for changes is first half of 2010. Not top priority then.

DublinDilbert

Ummmm i guess if you can't register the car it will have no reg for the NCT, so what will the NCT put on the cert?? the VIN??

mumhaabu

At €49 a test and with over 100,000 cars imported into the ROI each year it is alll about money and this will yield at least €4 million more. Remember we must all do our Fianna Fail patriotic duty, Remember these taxes are keeping those "poor"* craythurs the Public Servents and their special Unions in jobs.

*Poor Public Servent means anything between €40k to €50k a year with 6 weeks paid holidays and jobs for life plus €2/mile milage allowance plus fuel.

Savman

I thought all vehicles were imported into Ireland.

alo1587

mumhaabu wrote: »

At €49 a test and with over 100,000 cars imported into the ROI each year it is alll about money and this will yield at least €4 million more. Remember we must all do our Fianna Fail patriotic duty, Remember these taxes are keeping those "poor"* craythurs the Public Servents and their special Unions in jobs.

*Poor Public Servent means anything between €40k to €50k a year with 6 weeks paid holidays and jobs for life plus €2/mile milage allowance plus fuel.

You hit the nail on the head there, mumhaabu.But i can't see it just stopping at 49 euro, probably double that i'd say knowing the government.I can see an extra tax being put on UK imports in the future.VRT and some other stealth tax.This 'Import Nct' is just the start of money making for Biffo and his government circus pals.

O7Pat

Conor Faughnan was on the last word and he said that he presumed it would only apply to imported cars that were over 4 years old, said it would be mad to nct a 6month old car. Also said this was just an attempt to keep the trade happy.

Presumably thought it won't be an nct it will be a new type nct designed for imports they have a year to straighten it out. Surely would b easier and more efficient to tighten up the rules around the vrt assessor?

crosstownk

ddea wrote: »

Checked the revenue website, says likely implementation date for changes is first half of 2010. Not top priority then.

That's unfortunate.

I appreciate that importing used vehicles from the UK represents a significant saving to motorists compared to the prices of used vehicles on forecourts here in Ireland. However, this private importing is having a detrimental effect on the value of used cars here. As more and more vehicles are imported the value of used cars here is dropping all the while. This leaves dealers (both franchised and non-franchised) with stock that can only be moved at a loss and in some cases can't be moved at all. This will prevent dealers trading in 2009 leading to closures of garages across the country and consequential job losses. It will also make the cost to change to the customer a lot higher which will further stifle new car sales. It will take years to level out.

2009 will be a defining year in the future of the Irish motor industry, but I think the industry should be grateful that our cars aren't LHD.

Yakult

R Palmer wrote: »

The Department says this is to ensure the cars are correctly registered, with the aim of reducing the number of vehicles that may be fitted with extras that are not currently declared.

In all fairness, You would be paying for the extras when you buy the car never mind the Irish gov. sticking their snotty noses in and getting more money off you after what you've already paid. :mad:

xt40

its hard to sympathise with the motor industry as they ripped people off for years. they were happy with vrt as it isolated them from competition in the uk. if there was a level playing field and we had similar tax rates to the uk, the price diff would be much less and far fewer people would bother buying abroad and they wouldnt be facing the mess they now seem to be in. it reminds me of the taxi drivers and their 80k plates some years back
this move could well backfire on the govt as anyone stopped by customs or the cops can claim that they are waiting for an nct appt. the gov could not get away with claim a brit reg vehicle is unroadworthy if it has a valid mot. it seems to not have been well thought out. quelle surprise.

crosstownk

xt40 wrote: »

its hard to sympathise with the motor industry as they ripped people off for years.

In what way - by giving inflated values on used vehicles?

xt40 wrote: »

they were happy with vrt as it isolated them from competition in the uk.

I don't ever remember the motor trade being happy with the VRT situation.

xt40 wrote: »

if there was a level playing field and we had similar tax rates to the uk, the price diff would be much less and far fewer people would bother buying abroad

This isn't the UK........

xt40 wrote: »

it reminds me of the taxi drivers and their 80k plates some years back

I'm not quite sure what you mean......

xt40 wrote: »

this move could well backfire on the govt as anyone stopped by customs or the cops can claim that they are waiting for an nct appt. the gov could not get away with claim a brit reg vehicle is unroadworthy if it has a valid mot.

Like I said, this isn't the UK. A valid MOT here is simply a piece of paper - nothing more.

Gumbo

isint the NCT linked to a registration number? if its NCT'd on trade plates or an english reg, does that mean you have to go back to the NCT to get new certs with the new reg plate on them after you register the car?

rigal

If the cost was similar I'd still import a used UK car instead of buying one here in Ireland. The roads are much better over there and in general I think cars are in better condition. There's also a much greater choice.

We're supposed to be in the EU along with the UK, a common market FFS. Ireland got themselves into this predicament and the UK car industry are reaping the benefits through sales to Irish buyers. VRT is a joke....

xt40

crosstownk wrote: »

by giving inflated values on used vehicles?

is that really what you think.

crosstownk wrote: »

I don't ever remember the motor trade being happy with the VRT situation.

got a link??

crosstownk wrote: »

This isn't the UK........

did you ever hear of this thing caalled the common market

crosstownk wrote: »

Like I said, this isn't the UK. A valid MOT here is simply a piece of paper - nothing more.

well, actually its not. its a valid legal document proving the roadworthiness of a vehicle which is issued by by an eu member state, and as long as a vehicle is uk registered, it is legally roadworthy in a at least any other eu country and probably worldwide.


no one questions uk
driving licences
birth certs
passports
etc
etc
theres no difference

PanhardPL

R Palmer wrote: »

Included in to-days finance bill:mad:

Following concerns about the number of cars being imported from Britain and Northern Ireland, the Bill will mean an NCT assessment must be carried out on such vehicles before they are registered in Ireland.

The Department says this is to ensure the cars are correctly registered, with the aim of reducing the number of vehicles that may be fitted with extras that are not currently declared.

In addition, vehicles brought into the State for more than 42 days will have to be temporarily registered in the State.

The Minister says he is responding to concerns from the motor industry in this regard and these measures are one element of an overall strategy to reduce the number of cars being imported to the detriment of the industry here.

Finally, its going to happen that all Non Nationals, who have their cars here for more than 42 days, will be given a temporary registration and will have to have proper insurance and not like the current situation, where there are thousands of non Irish registered cars around the country with no guarantee that they have insurance. Anytime any of these are involved in an accident, they just leave the car there and run, and let the injured party lie at the loss of damage, which can often run into thousands. So lets hope that Customs/Gardai will enforce the law in the same manner as they do with Irish Nationals.

maidhc

Humm...

Sounds like there could be a valid issue in relation to the EC treates (free movement of goods...)

look there is nothing much to worry about here

this is lip service really.

its already illegal to drive without an NCT - its to keep SIMI happy

New cars - whether bought in the UK or through an Irish garage pays VRT
if you import a 2nd hand car from the UK you pay VRT - the govt prefer you pay VRT than buy a second hand car here and pay none!!!

The only thing is if they add some small extra charge to get a little bit more money out of us, not enough to prevent people importing but enough to help out their/our horrific public finances.

galwaytt

maidhc wrote: »

Humm...

Sounds like there could be a valid issue in relation to the EC treates (free movement of goods...)

...maybe so, but it certainly never deterred our Govt from measures in defiance of it...........VRT......

Feelgood

Surely an English MOT certificate could be viable proof that the car is road worthy?.

NewApproach

maidhc wrote: »

Humm...

Sounds like there could be a valid issue in relation to the EC treates (free movement of goods...)

No more than the current VRT system.

galwaytt

Feelgood wrote: »

Surely an English MOT certificate could be viable proof that the car is road worthy?.

indeed. I always get a new MOT on anything I buy in the UK, in case of ..issues.......call it a 2nd opinion, if you will........

ShadowHearth

anather joke....... Cant they just Fe*k OFF!

Just looking for anather way how to skin people, we allready paying so much for cars in this country, so they whant us to pay even more!

Thought this nct is more for preventing this: selling nissan silvia 2.0 turbo, non turbo in book.

galwaytt

ShadowHearth wrote: »

anather joke....... Cant they just Fe*k OFF!

Just looking for anather way how to skin people, we allready paying so much for cars in this country, so they whant us to pay even more!

Thought this nct is more for preventing this: selling nissan silvia 2.0 turbo, non turbo in book.

Ha! this from crowd that won't lift the carpet in your boot to inspect a spare wheel, or remove hubcaps? I don't frickin' think so ! Besides NCTS is a private company - they ain't going to take on 'extra work' without being paid for it !!

Lex Luthor

galwaytt wrote: »

Besides NCTS is a private company - they ain't going to take on 'extra work' without being paid for it !!

and who do you think is going to pay for it? I guarantee there will be a fee involved for this prior to paying your VRT, so they will be gald of the extra business thrown their way

tytlak

there seems to be a loophole in it

how to avoid vrt from 1st of Jan:

import a car from uk with mot and british road tax, get insurance, book a nct test

in dublin you need to wait 6 or 7 weeks for it , if you contact them 7 days before your test you can reschedule for another 6 weeks, and then again and again and again

if garda stop me with the car, just show them current booking date:D

BArra

exactly, a lot of us saw the tv prog on rte1, customs, so you can drive your freshly imported uk reg car over here with no need to VRT it as long as you have your document stating your NCT is in 6 or 7 weeks

and the customs lads are stuck then, to what? just say to you on your way?

def a loophole

Jonny303

rigal wrote: »

If the cost was similar I'd still import a used UK car instead of buying one here in Ireland. The roads are much better over there and in general I think cars are in better condition.

This ment to be a joke???

One word.......SALT!!

many cars coming over are ROTTEN with rust from salt!

rigal

Can you actually book an NCT for a car that hasn't yet been registered in Ireland?

I thought this wouldn't be possible until 2010 when the new rules will apply.

Tipsy Mac

Great new system, will allow people to drive around on UK plates awaiting a test/restest date. Looks like someone who's car fails everytime could drive around with a restest notice indefinetely, eg come over with an M3 take out the tail light bulb each time, pay the NCT test fee every month or so, cheap and legal M3 without VRT ever, happy days

rigal

Jonny303 wrote: »

This ment to be a joke???

One word.......SALT!!

many cars coming over are ROTTEN with rust from salt!

Obviously not meant to be a joke :rolleyes:

Think people over-egg the salt issue... Is salt not spread over here as well?

There's plenty of old cars on the roads over there so how can salt be such a serious issue?

Anyways, I'm thinking pot holes and general poor road surfaces. Surely that has a huge effect on suspension and the car in general? The reason why many Irish people don't want a Donegal reg used car. In short our roads are sh;te compared to the UK so surely that counts for something w.r.t general wear and tear..

ismynametoolong

We actually have the lowest priced cars in Europe but the highest level of tax which can be up to 66% of the retail price of a top end car.If the gov were to give a VRT refund on exported cars the flow of imports would be reversed and I can tell you it is not easy to register an imported car in the UK unlike here where all they seem to be interested in is the illegal VRT revenue reardless of where the import came from .

galwaytt

rigal wrote: »

Can you actually book an NCT for a car that hasn't yet been registered in Ireland?

I thought this wouldn't be possible until 2010 when the new rules will apply.

You're right - you can't !

Not only that, even if it is registered, and taxed - you still can't !! This is because they don't have a link to the national vehicle database iirc, and they have to manually 'add' you to their system.

How do I know this? ....well it's 20 feet from me, right now, VRT'd, reg'd and taxed.......and still awaiting them to add me to the 'system'...

Esel

At least ......

"The fee shall be paid by the person presenting the vehicle concerned for pre-registration examination. The fee shall be credited against the vehicle registration tax payable in respect of the registration of the vehicle....."

Carawaystick

This whole 42 days craic is a complete crock of poo.
The EU will definitely tell them this is out of order.
I'm back from 6 weeks holidays in another EU country, should I have been forced to register there and re-register and pay VRT again here? on an 08 car?
free movement of Goods and people me hole.

If the NCT was introduced to comply with EU regulations, then any EU test (TuV or MOT) should be sufficient.


And all you have to do is tip on up the M1, N1 take the Carriccarnan exit, slow to 60kmh, then 30 mph then spin on back down, reset the clock.....

Or use any other border crossing...

I'd imagine the legal costs defending(and losing) this will easily be more than the tax take from it.

L1011

mumhaabu wrote: »

*Poor Public Servent means anything between €40k to €50k a year with 6 weeks paid holidays and jobs for life plus €2/mile milage allowance plus fuel.

???

the standard tax-free mileage rates are called 'civil service mileage rates' for a reason. Thats what they get, no more, and no fuel - the mileage rate is to cover fuel and depreciation.