Legally skipping traffic queues

AugustusMaximus

Does anyone here have time for these people.

Two examples, both from Cork I'm afraid.

Example 1: Travelling west on the South Ring Road. Often enough the traffic is backed up to Rochestown. However, you can easily go up the left hand lane, easily all the way to the next exist at Mahon point. Turn right on the bridge, go into Jacobs Island, around the roundabout, back out and left down the sliproad. Massive time saving in heavy traffic.

Example 2: Travelling south on the N8 approaching the Dunkettle Interchange. Take the left hand lane for Carrigtowhill, Tunnel Maintenance and Little Island. Go into little island and take a left at the next roundabout. This takes you back onto the roundabout and easily into the tunnel, skipping the traffic backing up onto the N8.

Just wondering does anyone actually do this. I've been thinking over in my mind other places where this sort of stuff is possible Don't do it myself btw.

Del2005

Thats not really skipping a queue it's driving around it and I've nothing against this.

What really annoys me is when you are queuing in traffic on a dual lane road where the lanes have different turns. I'm sitting in a long queue to go straight on and people fly up the outside lane and then cut in right at the end. Or people queuing to turn and people going up the straight on lane and cutting in.

_Kaiser_

Coming into Navan (Dublin side) I usually manage to skip the line of traffic at the lights at the Ardboyne Hotel by simply taking the right-hand lane (clearly marked as turn right OR go straight ahead).

Always bemused at the filthy looks this gets me. It's the same with using the bus lanes in town (Dublin obviously ) on the quays between 10am and 12 noon ... not my fault people can't read!

rotinaj

I alway do example 1.

I dont understand how example 2 works

DaMonk

If its legal then I'm all for it. You'll find these are the same people using their heads on the road and being alert that do these legal moves.

gingerGiant

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Coming into Navan (Dublin side) I usually manage to skip the line of traffic at the lights at the Ardboyne Hotel by simply taking the right-hand lane (clearly marked as turn right OR go straight ahead).

Always bemused at the filthy looks this gets me. It's the same with using the bus lanes in town (Dublin obviously ) on the quays between 10am and 12 noon ... not my fault people can't read!

Do both of these myself regularly, great little time savers, I don't consider it skipping the queue either as I'm doing nothing wrong. It's the drivers sitting in the queue that are not being observant and using the road and lanes as they are meant to be used.

Berty

Sssshhh keep them to yourself. The more that find it the worse it will become.

Heroditas

Del2005 wrote: »

What really annoys me is when you are queuing in traffic on a dual lane road where the lanes have different turns. I'm sitting in a long queue to go straight on and people fly up the outside lane and then cut in right at the end. Or people queuing to turn and people going up the straight on lane and cutting in.

What also annoys me about that is the dopes who then let them in! If they weren't allowed do it, they may think twice about doing it constantly. :mad:

Guy:Incognito

Del2005 wrote: »

Thats not really skipping a queue it's driving around it and I've nothing against this.

What really annoys me is when you are queuing in traffic on a dual lane road where the lanes have different turns. I'm sitting in a long queue to go straight on and people fly up the outside lane and then cut in right at the end. Or people queuing to turn and people going up the straight on lane and cutting in.

I blame the stupid **** that let them in more.

EDIT. Boo urns, heroditas got there first.

adamski8

Heroditas wrote: »

What also annoys me about that is the dopes who then let them in! If they weren't allowed do it, they may think twice about doing it constantly. :mad:

except they are always the jerks that force their way back in and start cursing at you if you dont let them and youll probably hit their car. worst is after the M50 toll going north

if it means saving time and its legal, why not. More power to them

Berty

Judging by the title I now do no think there is any way of "legally" skipping. You are either allowed to do it or you are not.

RE: The M50. Just after the toll its a joke with the traffic build up but hell yeah I will drive in the second lane from the left and indicate in further up. Why not? Its a broken white line.

If I come up to a roundabout and there are piles of cars turning left then I will take the lane on the right and navigate the roundabout and "legally" take the exit I wanted in the first place.

I abhore people who purposely skip queues to get there quicker. The red cow was worst for it just after they started the roadworks.

I dont skip queues illegaly but if there is a way to legally avoid queueing for any time longer than I need to then I will take it.

M50 as well. I sometimes take the Blanch exit, navigate the roundabout and re-enter the M50 at the other side. Skips around 50 or so people but there is nothing illegal about it.

Using bus lanes and hardshoulders is crazy.

Oh to have spikes strips and a morning off to spend the time throwing it out on the road. Joy

L1011

quirke_folder wrote: »

RE: The M50. Just after the toll its a joke with the traffic build up but hell yeah I will drive in the second lane from the left and indicate in further up. Why not? Its a broken white line.

This is WHY there are traffic buildups there...

Wishbone Ash

quirke_folder wrote: »

If I come up to a roundabout and there are piles of cars turning left then I will take the lane on the right and navigate the roundabout and "legally" take the exit I wanted in the first place

quirke_folder wrote:

I abhore people who purposely skip queues to get there quicker.

Contradiction?

Isn't that what you do on the roundabout? If you aren't doing it to get somewhere more quickly, why do you do it?

quirke_folder wrote:

M50 as well. I sometimes take the Blanch exit, navigate the roundabout and re-enter the M50 at the other side. Skips around 50 or so people but there is nothing illegal about it.

While it may not be illegal, it displays poor road manners and lack of consideration to other road users.

The slip roads on a motorway are there for a purpose and it isn't for skipping queues.

Berty

MYOB wrote: »

This is WHY there are traffic buildups there...

Well its more likely that its 4 lanes rushing up the M50 to be squeezed into two lanes because the rest of the motorway is not open.

trishasaffron

MYOB wrote: »

This is WHY there are traffic buildups there...

well exactly. another spot is the right turn down Nutley in the morning about 7.45. I can watch with a degree of objectivity since I'm going straight on. But right lane is chockers from under the bridge at Belfield - some really "smart" drivers shoot ahead and then nip in to the right lane just before the lights. Well "hello" that's why the lane is so long - not just annoying but dangerous too :mad::mad:

Berty

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Contradiction?

Isn't that what you do on the roundabout? If you aren't doing it to get somewhere more quickly, why do you do it?

While it may not be illegal, it displays poor road manners and lack of consideration to other road users.

The slip roads on a motorway are there for a purpose and it isn't for skipping queues.

There is nothing illegal about what I do or have done. Its not illegal and its not skipping anything. Its finding a way around the delay.

Regards to the Blanch exit. When you get to the top of the exit, there is a roundabout, navigating that roundabout brings to to the onramp back onto the M50. It does not display lack of manners. I displays better manners not trying to push in on the people in the two queues, rather legally taking the exit to reapproach the M50.

Using the slip road brings you to a roundabout where I can make a number of manouvers. The one I choose brings me past a lenghtly queue.

Its not wrong or illegal and only by your, and possibly others, opinion is it morally wrong.

c-note

well heres my take:
if theres 2 ways of getting to somewhere, then the smallest standard deiation in queueing time will occour when both routes take the same time.... also maximum throughput of traffic will be achieved (provided the routes dont merge) so really its fairer on everyone if more people take the shortcut!!


as for the m50 north after the old toll bridge, i've been caught out there once or twice:
i dont use the m50 much but i remember going past the bridge heading north, the right lanes were slow or stopped, i was in a jeep and trailer, so as normal, stayed left in the slow lane" its only about a kilometer later that i see a sign saying the TWO leftmost lanes are exit lanes, not the normal ONE exit lane, and so i had to cut in! sorry!! it should be signed further back

Berty

Just to illustrate for those who do not know the M50 exit I refer to



The red line illustrates what I would do at this exit instead of queuing unecessarily on the M50. It cicrumvents the queue but is perfectly legal. Once it has actually proven a costly mistake though.

Here is another location where I have twice navigated the roundabout to avoid a delay. Legal in every sense. The red line is the queue which is not moving at all. The blue line is the direction I take. Instead of taking the right lane and bullying my way onto the exit I go around the rounadbout a join the shorter queue on the roundabout wishing to take the exit.



Are my choices popular? No, clearly not?

Are they illegal? No.

I do not see why I should queue if there is a way to avoid it.

Also, would I use car parks to avoid a traffic jam? No but people do this every morning at the Maldron hotel to avoid the lengtly queue at the childers road link up.

Berty

c-note wrote: »

i dont use the m50 much but i remember going past the bridge heading north, the right lanes were slow or stopped, i was in a jeep and trailer, so as normal, stayed left in the slow lane" its only about a kilometer later that i see a sign saying the TWO leftmost lanes are exit lanes, not the normal ONE exit lane, and so i had to cut in! sorry!! it should be signed further back

YES YES. Thats why I had to take the Blanch exit first. I dont know Dublin at all and my Sat Nav does not have lane positioning so as I passed under the M50 toll things I was in the second from the left. I could not get into the two right hand lanes so took the exit knowing(from going to Blanch before) there was a roundabout.

4 lanes to 2 in a blink of an eye. Awful.

L1011

While cutting in to the line of traffic at the 3->2 reduction is not illegal, it IS the main cause of the delay in the first place! People having to slow/stop to let mergers in causes the traffic to slow significantly, hence causing the delay.

Wishbone Ash

quirke_folder wrote: »

There is nothing illegal about what I do or have done. Its not illegal.........

........Its not wrong or illegal

No one said that it was illegal.

Suppose you are in your local supermarket. An elderly lady is approaching the checkout. She's several metres away from it but you run ahead to get served first. There's nothing illegal about that and you are also avoiding a delay but it not very nice and displays a lack of respect and courtesy.

It's always strange that those people who are normally well mannered suddenly become excessively self-centred when they get behind the wheel of a car.

Caliden

I do the same as quirke folder but on the quincentenary bridge in Galway.
However I will admit I am sometimes guilty of cutting into the left lane should the opportunity arise with people driving slowly and leaving a big gap or if there are cars waiting to get into the sliproad to the left that joins the first exit.

If you cant beat them, join them.

Berty

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

No one said that it was illegal.

I said illegal on account of the sheep mentality in this country.

Some people will follow the cars in front of them irregardless of the signage or road markings. Hence, people believe it the majority do it a certain way the other way must be wrong and possibly contravening the ROTR.



[/QUOTE]It's always strange that those people who are normally well mannered suddenly become excessively self-centred when they get behind the wheel of a car.[/QUOTE]

I WAS like that but of late I am driving upwards of 60 hours a week. I have learned to remind myself there are other human beings in those cars, people I would normally smile at and say good morning and today scream at them for "not driving like me". I know so many women like that(not woman bashing) who turn into nutcases in their cars. Its like an outlet. At least men are consistent at being rude. They do not need the car to magnify their arrogance. see disclaimer*

*Disclaimer - not in all cases.

Berty

Caliden wrote: »

I do the same as quirke folder but on the quincentenary bridge in Galway.
However I will admit I am sometimes guilty of cutting into the left lane should the opportunity arise with people driving slowly and leaving a big gap or if there are cars waiting to get into the sliproad to the left that joins the first exit.

If you cant beat them, join them.

I think I know what you mean. There is a slip road to avoid the roundabout at that crazy roundabout. So......all the people in the left lane take the slip road leaving the lane in front of them empty, the one that goes to the roundabout. You skip into this lane and when the light is green you turn left.

Hell, everybody does this and there is nothing wrong with that, so long as you are in the correct lane.

Caliden

quirke_folder wrote: »

I think I know what you mean. There is a slip road to avoid the roundabout at that crazy roundabout. So......all the people in the left lane take the slip road leaving the lane in front of them empty, the one that goes to the roundabout. You skip into this lane and when the light is green you turn left.

Hell, everybody does this and there is nothing wrong with that, so long as you are in the correct lane.

Yeah thats the one. What a roundabout, I remember reading an article in one of the galway papers which had a letter and in it the reader said there should be a bucket of medals at every exit to reward yourself for getting around it.

I come from the terryland direction in the middle lane and every second day there's someone in the right lane wanting to go straight on or cut into the left lane of the third exit over the bridge.
Even coming onto the roundabout from the Dunnes side is mental, the lanes arent half wide enough and was almost smushed between 2 jeeps who seem to think their blindspot is an urban legend

Berty

getting from the currys side to anything other than the 1st exit is a nightmare. I used to drive a big rigid truck around Galway and between the line and the first lights in front of you if there is one car then there is no room for the truck unless you block the roundabout and when the lights go green you cannot move for the hundreds of cars coming from the right.

Madness. Its worse then because people in Galway cannot indicate properly more than any other county as far as Im concerned.

Caliden

quirke_folder wrote: »

getting from the currys side to anything other than the 1st exit is a nightmare. I used to drive a big rigid truck around Galway and between the line and the first lights in front of you if there is one car then there is no room for the truck unless you block the roundabout and when the lights go green you cannot move for the hundreds of cars coming from the right.

Madness. Its worse then because people in Galway cannot indicate properly more than any other county as far as Im concerned.

haha totally agree. Went to Killarney during the week and I didn't know what was going on when I saw indicators being used (I always make a habit of using them for everything, just nobody else seems to). Then when I came back to Galway thursday evening it felt like home.

Also sorry for the derail.

What annoys me though are cars that use the sliproad onto a dual caraigeway as an excuse to skip traffic until they feel like joining the rest of us in it

The tax man

While your "red line route" across the Blanchardstown junction maybe legal it just adds to the congestion around the junction. You and many others along the length of the M50 are deciding to add there own route along the motorway that it wasn't intended for. Natural traffic flow will go right or left at that junction,not straight back down the opposite ramp. Cars now coming from either direction on the N3 wishing to enter the M50 northbound are finding the slip more and more congested with cars that are doing what you do. As soon as the traffic volume builds the complete area and surrounding roads are grid locked.
I have to use the M50 everyday from the South to the North of the city and when,for example, Southbound towards Dundrum or past it has a tail back,why should that affect me I'm miles away from it,heading in the opposite direction. People start using the Firhouse slips to jump the queue and then the junction gets jammed and the whole area grinds to a halt.
This junction unlike Blanch is not controlled by lights so it's a free for all but the people ramp jumping are ALWAYS the ones that block the junction trying in vain to save those precious few seconds of their inconsiderate lives.Not saying you block junctions but you fill space on the slips. When this happens I've spent up to an hour trying to travel less then 1Km just to get onto the M50 Northbound,the delay Southbound shouldn't affect me but people dragging the delay across the ramps adds misery and annoyance to other motorists that otherwise shouldn't be affected.

During last years operation free flow this junction was manned by Gardaí and one morning while the M50 Southbound was backed up because of a crash,the guard on duty sent every single car that came up the slip and tried to go back down the other side away.Basically the only cars allowed onto the Southbound slip where coming some my direction,turning left, or coming over the bridge from Firhouse. This guard was on the ball and kept an eye on cars he turned away that went over the bridge and back again as if coming from Firhouse. His attitude was you shouldn't be here so find your way back onto the M50 but you ain't using this slip. Made my morning believe me.:D:D

B11gt00e

That's beautiful taxman... I read the whole thread and enjoyed the different perspectives on the different arguments, but have to say that I really enjoyed your take on things and was a nice finish on the whole debate...

Good rationalisation and a view of the bigger picture!

Anan1

The tax man wrote: »

During last years operation free flow this junction was manned by Gardaí and one morning while the M50 Southbound was backed up because of a crash,the guard on duty sent every single car that came up the slip and tried to go back down the other side away.Basically the only cars allowed onto the Southbound slip where coming some my direction,turning left, or coming over the bridge from Firhouse. This guard was on the ball and kept an eye on cars he turned away that went over the bridge and back again as if coming from Firhouse. His attitude was you shouldn't be here so find your way back onto the M50 but you ain't using this slip. Made my morning believe me.:D:D

Isn't that illegal, though?

Our man in Havana

why?

su_dios

Ok slightly related but I would like to find peoples opinions on this..especially the legality of it.

Bus lane on your left and you're coming to the end of a traffic queue in the other lane but you are to take the next left.

1. Does that mean you can then move into the bus lane because your lane has stopped? If so what distance can you get away with this from the dedicated spot marked on the road for entering the lane?
   
2. Also the main one would be similar situation but where the lights are red, so by moving into the bus lane you are queuing to turn left. I heard this was legal but always wondered. Theres plenty of times where by not moving into the lane in the first place that you end up holding up the traffic behind you trying to get into the lane because its now full up of people who did it anyway or taxis.

papu

GAH at people who take the spin around the roundabout to get to the 1st exit on the left,

Do I do it , Sometimes , I don't feel good about it tho..
and if a guard caught you doing it ...:rolleyes:

Wibbler

quirke_folder wrote: »

RE: The M50. Just after the toll its a joke with the traffic build up but hell yeah I will drive in the second lane from the left and indicate in further up. Why not? Its a broken white line.

That's *why* there's a traffic build up! :rolleyes:

LOL. I Should have read the next post, before replying. MYOB said exactly the same thing. Glad I'm not the only one who finds it out of order.

Wibbler

quirke_folder wrote: »

There is nothing illegal about what I do or have done. Its not illegal and its not skipping anything. Its finding a way around the delay.

Yes, but at the expense of everyone else. Whether it's nudging in forcing other traffic to slow or stop, or merging from after the Blanch roundabout, you are contributing to the delay for other drivers in the mainline. Now each individual action doesn't add much delay (though it's more than one would expect), but with the amount of it going on at that stetch of road, it's not long adding up to something pretty significant.

Wibbler

c-note wrote: »

well heres my take:
its only about a kilometer later that i see a sign saying the TWO leftmost lanes are exit lanes, not the normal ONE exit lane, and so i had to cut in! sorry!! it should be signed further back

I have to agree. The road markings, with the fat dotted line between lanes 1 and 2 are are at odds with the overhead signage which say both lanes 1 and 2 are exit lanes. I'm sure that it's contributing to the chaos every evening at that junction.

Traumadoc

If it is legal why not? Bus lanes are to help busses legally skip queues.

Honey-ec

What Quirke Folder and The Tax Man are describing is called Sliproad Surfing and while it's perfectly legal, it's not exactly behaviour that's going to endear you to other motorists.

The Firhouse junction on the M50 south is the absolute worst spot for this, and because of the number of people doing it, Scholarstown Rd. outbound tends to grind to a complete halt because they have to give way to traffic coming up the slip-road as well as to that coming off Colmcilles way. Another side effect is that it's become almost impossible to merge from the Firhouse southbound on-ramp because the vast majority of the drivers already on the M50 have adopted the attitude that you're more than likely a sliproad surfer and they won't leave room to merge.

The end-result? The entire junction from Colmcilles Way & Scholarstown Road snarls up, the on-ramp backs up, and there's a huge slow-down at the bottom of the merge which sometimes kicks back almost to Tallaght. And all because an increasing number of people want to steal a march of a few minutes on everyone else.

But hey, it's perfectly legal, so who cares???

GreeBo

Honey-ec wrote: »

The end-result? The entire junction from Colmcilles Way & Scholarstown Road snarls up, the on-ramp backs up, and there's a huge slow-down at the bottom of the merge which sometimes kicks back almost to Tallaght. And all because an increasing number of people want to steal a march of a few minutes on everyone else.

Add that to the school runs (all of 2 milies for most of the lazy feckers) and both sides of that junction are jammed. Then it tails back to Knocklyon Road, Ballyroan etc etc. Gimps.
The sooner we get more of those cloverleaf junctions the better.

Anan1

Bond-007 wrote: »

why?

Because the Garda had no right to interfere with people going about their lawful business?

Our man in Havana

The Garda has the right to direct traffic wherever he wishes. Also the RTA 1961 makes it an offence to fail to comply with his directions.

GreeBo

su_dios wrote: »

Bus lane on your left and you're coming to the end of a traffic queue in the other lane but you are to take the next left.

1. Does that mean you can then move into the bus lane because your lane has stopped? If so what distance can you get away with this from the dedicated spot marked on the road for entering the lane?
   
2. Also the main one would be similar situation but where the lights are red, so by moving into the bus lane you are queuing to turn left. I heard this was legal but always wondered. Theres plenty of times where by not moving into the lane in the first place that you end up holding up the traffic behind you trying to get into the lane because its now full up of people who did it anyway or taxis.

If the bus lane is marked as a bus lane and its during its operating times then you cant get into it until the solid line breaks and you will see a divergent arrow pointing left on the road surface (or maybe even a sign if you are lucky)
Other than that you cant go in there and will (hopefully) get caught and penalised if you do. The fact that other morons jump in early and thus block you is not your fault and you just need to sit there and indicate left and wait for one of them with a brain to let you in. (Maybe the guy who is actually going straight on but queue jumping will use you as his means to go straight, we can only hope he crashes into a tree)

Anan1

Bond-007 wrote: »

The Garda has the right to direct traffic wherever he wishes. Also the RTA 1961 makes it an offence to fail to comply with his directions.

So a Garda can quite legally bring, say, one side of the M50 to a comlete standstill for no good reason? Wouldn't that contravene our fundamental right to free movement? I just found this:

In order for a Garda to behave in ways that he thinks is using, upholding or enforcing the law, there must be 'provision' in the law for him to behave that way. 'Provision' must come from a relevant section of a relevant 'Act of Law' which will either 'provide' him with legal excuse to behave that way or it will not. (Google 'criminal justice public order act' for example). If that or any 'relevant' act does not have provision for his behaviour then he is breaking the law and abusing your personal and fundamental constitutional rights and you can remind yourself and the Garda that he is liable to be held accountable for such illegal actions at civil and criminal law himself.

Biro

papu wrote: »

GAH at people who take the spin around the roundabout to get to the 1st exit on the left,

Do I do it , Sometimes , I don't feel good about it tho..
and if a guard caught you doing it ...:rolleyes:

This happens in Limerick a lot. All it does is actually cause the tailback in the left lane to be far worse, cause they also have to wait to let the right lane skippers to make their move too. If 100 cars did that, then that's 100 more cars the left lane has to give way to on the roundabout, therefore causing a far worse tailback.

I think some of examples in thread are a perfect example of ME ME, I'm the centre of the universe thinking. Then actually to come here tell us how great and smart drivers they are is just unbelievable.

I guess it is an indication that we have only quite recently got acquainted with the motor cars here :-)

Jaysoose

samih wrote: »

I think some of examples in thread are a perfect example of ME ME, I'm the centre of the universe thinking. Then actually to come here tell us how great and smart drivers they are is just unbelievable.

I guess it is an indication that we have only quite recently got acquainted with the motor cars here :-)

Exactly true, sliproad surfers, bus lane bandits and the flyover Fu**ers need to realise that they are making the problem worse by doing this. But then they obvioulsy think they are friggin class and their journey is so much more important than everybody elses.

Why people let them merge is beyond me!!

Mr. Larson

Unbelievable...

I often wondered what the mind-set was of people who engage in this type of driving [Sliproad surfing etc]... and this thread has given me a good insight into it now. You think you are smarter than everyone else and that other people don't realise you can do it. People aren't stupid and it's incredibly arrogant of you to assume they are. I would wager most people don't do it because it's morally reprehensible behaviour. Not because they aren't aware of these 'short cuts'. People who do this aren't smarter than everyone else and use idiot terms like 'irregardless'... but they just selfish
pricks in my opinion.

I see this every day on the N11 southbound where people are in the 'Bray North' lane right up until the very point where the N11 and the exit break off and then cut back into the queue, skipping approximately ½ a mile of solid 2 lane traffic queue. While this obviously gets them to their destination quicker all it does to other people is...

1. Push them farther back in the queue
2. Slow down the people who are genuinely taking the exit
3. Set a bad example to all other drivers who will be quicker to try this having seen you do it
4. Run the risk of accidents while you drive down a relatively free flowing lane at speed and jam on the brakes without warning (it's no use indicating 0.5 seconds before you manoeuvre) while you slip yourself into a gap

The analogy used about the old lady in the supermarket is a great one and I haven't heard anyone who does this actually address that yet. I have to say of all the abhorrent driving personalities on the road I find this one the worst.

livvy

samih wrote: »

I think some of examples in thread are a perfect example of ME ME, I'm the centre of the universe thinking. Then actually to come here tell us how great and smart drivers they are is just unbelievable.


i couldn't agree more.

Zube

Jabberwocky wrote: »

I see this every day on the N11 southbound where people are in the 'Bray North' lane right up until the very point where the N11 and the exit break off and then cut back into the queue, skipping approximately ½ a mile of solid 2 lane traffic queue.

To make this even clearer: this behaviour is not illegal. several posters have made a lot of noise about how their short-cuts are legal, but so is skipping a queue in this way and diving into a gap near the front.

It's rude, and obnoxious, and selfish, and very aggravating for all the decent drivers who queue in an orderly fashion, but it's not illegal.

The only advantage in slip-road surfing is that the people at the head of the queue don't see you skipping it, and hence are more likely to let you in. In turn, as the practice spreads and people expect it, drivers will become less likely to let anyone in, in case they are a queue jumper, and driving will get less pleasant for everyone.

Mr. Larson

I know it's not illegal. There is a broken white line all the way to the bottom. I don't understand why but it's there. Cutting up the O.A.P. in the supermarket queue isn't illegal either but people seem less likely to do that because no-one can really confront them about it as they sit cowardly in their car. Slip road surfing in my view is even more cowardly for the reasons you have pointed out.