Dunne should move to featherweight

T-K-O

I think Bernard should move up in weight and use the next six months to bulk himself up.

Lets face if the champions at super ban are all monsters in the ring and then you have the contenders like Ponce,Marquez. This is one of the most difficult divisions.

Now at feather weight you have the likes of Larios of Levano - much better fights for Dunne.

This is a tactic that Duddy has also decided to use..

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

I think Bernard should move up in weight and use the next six months to bulk himself up.

Lets face if the champions at super ban are all monsters in the ring and then you have the contenders like Ponce,Marquez. This is one of the most difficult divisions.

Now at feather weight you have the likes of Larios of Levano - much better fights for Dunne.

This is a tactic that Duddy has also decided to use..

TKO, with all due respect, I think you are deluded and are not seriously analysing the sport or Dunne and his ability. You will see what you want.

How anyone looking at Dunne could think he would make an impression at 126 lbs is taking the piss big time

T-K-O

If I said Bernard likes coca cola you would reply telling us all how pepsi is the greatest...:rolleyes:

His division is one of the most competitive the champions are unusually good compared to other divisions. Chances are the 4 super ban champions would defeat the feather champions

joepenguin

Well I dont know much about featherweight but surely it doesnt have the depth of talent that super bantam does. How Dunne fairs out up there with taking featherweight shots is another story. He hasnt even taken a genuine super bantam shot in the last year. will the shots be too hard or will they be negged out because he doent have to struggle to cut weight as much?
There are a few positives. Oscar Larios says he will come to Dublin. Now I havent seen any of his fights apart from McCulloughs one but surely he poses no more of a threat than any of the top 10 super bantams let alone the champions.
On paper it looks very good. He beat Israel Vasquez, Wayne McCullough and has went the distance with paquiao.
Does he pose more / less of a threat than Molito/Cabellero, Vasquez or Lopez. And if Dunne goes up in weight how will this affect his attributes?


Super bantamweight champions:

WBC: Israel Vasquez
WBA: Celestino Caballero
IBF: Stephen Molitor
WBO: Juan Manuel Lopez


Featherweight champions:

WBC: Oscar Larios
WBA: Chris John
IBF: Cristobal Cruz
WBO: Steven Luevano

Shane-1

Bernard Dunne is a talented fighter, he has the skills to at least get him a mention with the champions of his division. However he has serious faults to his game, and if you were to name them what would they be?

1- His punching power will not trouble anyone I'd imagine in the top 20 in his division.

2- His chin is quite suspect, while Martinez demonstrated this fault it had been shown in several fights previous also, does anyone remember that fella, I think he was a Ukranian, that Dunne fought early after returning to Ireland, he was lucky to survive till the final bell after taking a good shot late in the fight.

For these reasons I think it would be madness to suggest Dunne should step up another weight to fight lads that can handle more power and dish out harder punches, it couldnt work out well.

Shane-1

Duddy can use this tactic as he is a strong puncher, he will easily match lads at a higher weight, and his chin is good - too good perhaps cause it leaves him comprimising on his defensive abilities (or lack thereof!!)

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

If I said Bernard likes coca cola you would reply telling us all how pepsi is the greatest...:rolleyes:

His division is one of the most competitive the champions are unusually good compared to other divisions. Chances are the 4 super ban champions would defeat the feather champions[/QUOTE

Dunne is NOT a 126 lb fighter. He is not fighting in an unnatural division; he has been a 122lb fighter for years now and he is no different than hundreds of men thru history who sweated down and fought in the lower weights.
It seems to me that folks are intimating that Dunne is in a weight that is too low for his body? He is NOT and his team and himself know this.

Can you imagine Bernard fighting guys who are coming down from 9.5 stone to weigh in at 9 stone and then on fight night, they are back up to 9.5 stone.
He'd be decapitated. He can barely survive 118-122lb shots at the moment!

The extra weight added to ernard will not enable him to suddenly survive the shots from feathers!

megadodge

Walshb, even though I normally agree with you broadly speaking in relation to Dunne, I think this suggestion is not without it's merits.

The super-bantam champions are most definitely superior to the feathers right now. They also punch much harder ! And I don't mean p4p, I mean in real terms.

The feather champs are all 'boxers' and therefore likely to match skills with Dunne, whereas the super-bantams (Molitor excepted - although his power is nothing to be scoffed at) would most definitely be looking to end matters inside the distance.

I actually think he would have a better chance of beating one of the feather champs, as he has almost no chance against any of the super-bantams, except maybe Molitor and that's a big "maybe".

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

Walshb, even though I normally agree with you broadly speaking in relation to Dunne, I think this suggestion is not without it's merits.

The super-bantam champions are most definitely superior to the feathers right now. They also punch much harder ! And I don't mean p4p, I mean in real terms.

The feather champs are all 'boxers' and therefore likely to match skills with Dunne, whereas the super-bantams (Molitor excepted - although his power is nothing to be scoffed at) would most definitely be looking to end matters inside the distance.

I actually think he would have a better chance of beating one of the feather champs, as he has almost no chance against any of the super-bantams, except maybe Molitor and that's a big "maybe".

It may well seem like that to you from outside the ring; but I am damn sure that the featerweights are harder, are bigger and stronger. It's nature, nothing else, and if it was the case, then we wouldn't have divisions at all.

Dunne has a 1/1000 chance IMO of wining a 122 lb title, and a 1/1000000 chance of winning a feather title.

Let's see if any of those mega monsters at 122lb move up and win a legit feather title in the near future; because right NOW, if you put the best at 122 against the best at 126, there is only one winner!

Mega, lets say for arguments sake, the 122lb men are harder; how does that explain
Dunne struggling with the 118 lb men; because his last few outiings were
against 118 lb men at best. Now, am I to believe that maybe these 118 lb men are also harder than the 126 lb men.

If Dunne was dispatching these guys with ease, I may be confident. He is NOT, he
is struggling against considerably and naturally smaller men than himself.

This doesn't bode well at all!

conceited

This thread is hilarious!

Dunne is not a powerful puncher so what?Does he need power? No he doesn't. He has cat like reflexes and is a dam fast puncher. Thats what dunne is . I'm not sure why you think he needs to be something he isn't. What he has works! Thats who he is, get over it.

Shane-1

conceited wrote: »

This thread is hilarious!

Dunne is not a powerful puncher so what?Does he need power? No he doesn't. He has cat like reflexes and is a dam fast puncher. Thats what dunne is . I'm not sure why you think he needs to be something he isn't. What he has works! Thats who he is, get over it.

What you are saying about Dunne is true, he does have good reflexes and is a fast and accurate puncher, but where is his chin? And while you may survive against the Faccio's of the world with reflexes you will need more to challenge the top 10 boys. This is then combined to the fact that Dunne does not have the power to stop a quality opponent. Basically every time Dunne steps in the ring you are relying on a points decision, and to get the points decision you are relying on avoiding getting hit hard during the fight, you step in against the champions at 122 and tell me that they wont catch you sometime during the fight. The last round against Faccio Faccio began to trouble Dunne more, looked closer to landing some big punches, Martinez made a holy show of Dunnes defence and chin, and these are only the recent examples......

megadodge

Walshb, of course what you're saying in general is right. That's why we have weight divisions.

But, right now if you compare the current super-bantams champs with the feather champs there is absolutely no doubts that the super-bantams hit harder. Seriously. If you think otherwise, then you're just not familiar with the feathers. They're all 'boxers' not 'punchers'.

Larios is way past his best, very durable, very busy, but was never a big puncher. His punch output would beat Dunne. John is very classy, slick mover, great jabber but no KO specialist. Early rounds would probably be close but John would take over and win comfortably on points or late stoppage. Luevano is good slick boxer, but not a puncher at all. Cruz is very, very ordinary, who has been beaten 11 times already and will lose to the first half decent challenger he meets.

Does that mean the super-bantams are better ? No.
But, to a person with an obvious deficiency in the durability department, it makes sense to fight a fighter who doesn't hit as hard, even though their skills are better. Skill is not Dunne's problem. Chin is.

And note that I didn't say he has a great chance of beating either set of champs, but due to the lack of a big puncher in the feather shake-up, whatever small chance he has would probably be against them.

walshb

Well, going on his last three outings, chin, speed, class, defense, power and a whole lot of other things are Dunne's problem. He's well past it!

walshb

conceited wrote: »

This thread is hilarious!

Dunne is not a powerful puncher so what?Does he need power? No he doesn't. He has cat like reflexes and is a dam fast puncher. Thats what dunne is . I'm not sure why you think he needs to be something he isn't. What he has works! Thats who he is, get over it.

What he has barely works against tomato cans. That's what we are discussing. You are stating the obvious. We are talking about his chances at world level. If you are happy to watch him beat up on smaller men all the time and smaller inferior men who are not close to world class, fair enough; go debate that with others.

conceited

Shane,

Some people are born with better genetics than others, it's a simple fact of life. He uses what he has very effectively.

T-K-O

For this argument forget about the weight difference. The current super ban's have ridiculous power and I would back any of them against the featherweights.

Dunne is NOT struggling with the so called smaller men and saying he is barely handling their power is stupid and the view of a dude with the blinkers on. Ben is beating them convincingly just because he is not KOing them does not mean he is struggling.

Walsh anyone who watches these guys regular would agree Dunne's division is far superior to the feather division

There is more than one way to skin a cat!

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

What he has barely works against tomato cans. That's what we are discussing. You are stating the obvious. We are talking about his chances at world level. If you are happy to watch him beat up on smaller men all the time and smaller inferior men who are not close to world class, fair enough; go debate that with others.

Which one is it ???

walshb

TKO, I'm sick to the the teeth discussing Dunne now. He is going nowhere; and fast. I have said this time and time again and I will say it no more. All the excuses in the world cannot get away from the fact that he is going nowhere. Forget feathers and bantams and super bantams; he's going nowhere, end of!

Up to now and since his loss against Kiko, he has shown nothing and met absolutely nobody of merit. He has since declined and is getting worse; so how this could possibly translate to a world title at ANY weight is just plain ludicrous.

The facts speak for themselves and all the 'lovely boxer,' lovely mover' etc etc means jack **** in Dunne's case. He hasn't the power, stamina, chin or durability and he never will; no matter who he fights at world level.

alanceltic

Jesus you talk about him quite a lot for someone who is fed up talkin about him... Im delighted that you have finally come to the end of your rope with your sentiments on Dunne, close the door on your way out.

All you seem to do is put the kid down, and you feel the need to RAM your opinion onto anybody else who thinks different. I know you have said in the past that its not a personal dislike but the way you keep putting him down its like a personal vendetta. We all had to hear last week how duddy is much more highly rated in your opinion because he has heart and can take punishment, nothing from you today about Dunnes heart in trying to force the stoppage with blood imparing his vision, he also stood up to a couple of solid shots from Faccio in rd6 but then you will just shout blown up bantam blah blah blah.

I think you have poisioned a lot of people with your sh_ite talk about dunne, you say he has fought nobody yet he has worked his way back into top10 status on the back of his solitary loss, give him a break and judge him on what will possibly his world title shot next, but you know what I really think no matter what he does you will not give the guy any credit at all. Anyway like I said im delighted you are sick to death bad talking Dunne, now be a good lad and close the door after ya!

walshb

alanceltic wrote: »

Jesus you talk about him quite a lot for someone who is fed up talkin about him... Im delighted that you have finally come to the end of your rope with your sentiments on Dunne, close the door on your way out.

All you seem to do is put the kid down, and you feel the need to RAM your opinion onto anybody else who thinks different. I know you have said in the past that its not a personal dislike but the way you keep putting him down its like a personal vendetta. We all had to hear last week how duddy is much more highly rated in your opinion because he has heart and can take punishment, nothing from you today about Dunnes heart in trying to force the stoppage with blood imparing his vision, he also stood up to a couple of solid shots from Faccio in rd6 but then you will just shout blown up bantam blah blah blah.

I think you have poisioned a lot of people with your sh_ite talk about dunne, you say he has fought nobody yet he has worked his way back into top10 status on the back of his solitary loss, give him a break and judge him on what will possibly his world title shot next, but you know what I really think no matter what he does you will not give the guy any credit at all. Anyway like I said im delighted you are sick to death bad talking Dunne, now be a good lad and close the door after ya!

Alan, it is abundantly clear to all that you are a close associate of Bernard and this is what will always cloud your judgment. It's either that or you really haven't a notion about the sport!

Anyway, myself and yourself made a little bet or pact several months back. Nothing has changed, Bernard has done nothing since Kiko, beat nobody, fought for no title and I say this will continue. He will not win a title at any weight, nor will he come even close to winning. He may fight for a title, MAY; but he gets destroyed, and early!

****e talk?

What's ****e about saying the chap hasn't got a chance of winning a world title.

Again, you are obvioulsy biased and are a massive Dunne fan who will always make excuses for the fights he participates in. Put the kid down? So saying he will never win a title is putting him down?
Maybe I should bull**** like you and Dowling and Rock etc and say he's the best and is brilliant
and will win a title? Yes, that's clever isn't it!

You cannot judge him on his actual potential and ability to beat the best in the world.
You are happy to go along watching him face tomato cans. That's where we differ, and if that is ****E talk, so be it. It's still a whole lot more coherent and honest than
anything you have said!

You are not a boxing fan. You are a Dunne fan; and a Dunne worshipper.'
That's why your views are clouded and incoherent!

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

TKO, I'm sick to the the discussing Dunne now. He is going nowhere; and fast. I have said this time and time again and I will say it no more. All the excuses in the world cannot get away from the fact that he is going nowhere. Forget feathers and bantams and super bantams; he's going nowhere, end of!

Up to now and since his loss against Kiko, he has shown nothing and met absolutely nobody of merit. He has since declined and is getting worse; so how this could possibly translate to a world title at ANY weight is just plain ludicrous.

The facts speak for themselves and all the 'lovely boxer,' lovely mover' etc etc means jack **** in Dunne's case. He hasn't the power, stamina, chin or durability and he never will; no matter who he fights at world level.

Dude Nobody asked for you opinon....Dunne struggles with these lighter guys or he beats them up, what is it?

The fact that you dismiss Dunne's chances at feather/bantam/superbantam in a sweeping statement like that speaks volumes for your view of Bernard.

It is very possible for Dunne to outbox a guy like Larios at this stage.
He would also have a good chance against Molitor IMO/ A dude he already beat.

Are you denying the fact that there are easier pickings at feather?

Saying Dunne is in decline is ridiculous, there are no signs of that.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

Alan, it is abundantly clear to all that you are a close associate of Bernard and this is what will always cloud your judgment. It's either that or you really haven't a notion about the sport!

Anyway, myself and yourself made a little bet or pact several months back. Nothing has changed, Bernard has done nothing since Kiko, beat nobody, fought for no title and I say this will continue. He will not win a title at any weight, nor will he come even close to winning. He may fight for a title, MAY; but he gets destroyed, and early!

****e talk?

What's ****e about saying the chap hasn't got a chance of winning a world title.

Again, you are obvioulsy biased and are a massive Dunne fan who will always make excuses for the fights he participates in. Put the kid down? So saying he will never win a title is putting him down?
Maybe I should bull**** like you and Dowling and Rock etc and say he's the best and is brilliant
and will win a title? Yes, that's clever isn't it!

You cannot judge him on his actual potential and ability to beat the best in the world.
You are happy to go along watching him face tomato cans. That's where we differ, and if that is ****E talk, so be it. It's still a whole lot more coherent and honest than
anything you have said!

You are not a boxing fan. You are a Dunne fan; and a Dunne worshipper.'
That's why your views are clouded and incoherent!

If he is a worshipper then you are a hater plain and simple.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

If he is a worshipper then you are a hater plain and simple.

I can't believe I'm even discussing this with you.

You constantly refuse to separate Dunne the person from Dunne the fighter.
If Dunne were my brother, I'd still rate him as I do; now I wouldn't openly discuss it
with strangers, but I would still rate him as nothing special and nothing approaching world level.

Until you and alanceltic can actually separate the two, you will always be letting yourselves down!

"Dude Nobody asked for you opinon....Dunne struggles with these lighter guys or he beats them up, what is it?

WTF is that meant to mean. I didn't ask for yours either, but this is an internet forum where everyone is entitled to discuss boxing.

If you don't agree, simply ignore or simply debate. I couldn't care less!

Am I denying there are easier pickings at feather?
No, I am denying Bernard has the remotest chance at any weight. That's my denial.
If you read what I wrote earlier, I said he hasn't a HOPE at any weight.
Oh, I forgot, nobody asked for my opinion:rolleyes: If Dunne was allowed weigh at 122 and
met the best Fly's or Bantam's in the world, he would still lose bad!

If you want to censor this thread and only allow PRO supporters of Dunne's
boxing pedigree, not his personal pedigree, go ahead. But that's damn silly!

Let's say the 126 lb division is easier. For Bernard, that means nothing, as he still gets thoroughly whupped! He is just not up to it.

Now, you didn't see any decline in Bernard? I did, and noticeably. He seemed slower
and less busy and plain less interested. He is slipping IMO; is that hating too?

No, it's what I saw.

Again, you relax and enjoy watching Dunne meet and beat tomato cans and when he does, or if he does finally challenge quality, don't bother coming on here and making
excuses for his KO losses!

Let's wait and see....

T-K-O

Now who is trolling, I created this thread. You said you where sick of talking about Dunne, and I replied well nobody asked. If you are so sick of Dunne stay out of threads relating to him.

As for Dunne the fighter/person, I don't give a rats if he is daddy of the year. I am a boxing fan and that is what I take into consideration on here.

There have been a helleva lot worse fighters than Dunne to win a title.

IMO Dunne has a good shot at two of the champions at either weight. The facts are Dunne can be a contender but no unless he KO's Lopez or Vazquez you will always claim to be right.

BTW I will debate with anyone on here censoring a thread is kids stuff.

P.S if he does get waxed at world level by a champions why would I make excueses?
I'm not saying Dunne can dominate a division but he has the ability to challenge.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Now who is trolling, I created this thread. You said you where sick of talking about Dunne, and I replied well nobody asked. If you are so sick of Dunne stay out of threads relating to him.

As for Dunne the fighter/person, I don't give a rats if he is daddy of the year. I am a boxing fan and that is what I take into consideration on here.

There have been a helleva lot worse fighters than Dunne to win a title.

IMO Dunne has a good shot at two of the champions at either weight. The facts are Dunne can be a contender but no unless he KO's Lopez or Vazquez you will always claim to be right.

BTW I will debate with anyone on here censoring a thread is kids stuff.

P.S if he does get waxed at world level by a champions why would I make excueses?
I'm not saying Dunne can dominate a division but he has the ability to challenge.

The 'sick to the teeth' comment was for dramatic effect TKO:D

Anyway, if I didn't POST on the thread it would probably turn into a 'Dunne is the greatest' thread. At least now, we have another side to dispel this myth!

Larios is over the hill, but at 32 he still wipes the floor with Bernard.
Also, Gamboa is actually rated in the 126 lb division and he is not even the champ.

Like I said, let's wait and see. You seem to believe that Dunne will
make an impact on the world scene. I think you are deluded to believe so!

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

The 'sick to the teeth' comment was for dramatic effect TKO:D

Anyway, if I didn't POST on the thread it would probably turn into a 'Dunne is the greatest' thread. At least now, we have another side to dispel this myth!

Larios is over the hill, but at 32 he still wipes the floor with Bernard.
Also, Gamboa is actually rated in the 126 lb division and he is not even the champ.

Like I said, let's wait and see. You seem to believe that Dunne will
make an impact on the world scene. I think you are deluded to believe so!

Spot on and trust me we don't want that

Yes I still think Dunne is a contender - we will have to wait and see.

alanceltic

walshb wrote: »

Alan, it is abundantly clear to all that you are a close associate of Bernard and this is what will always cloud your judgment. It's either that or you really haven't a notion about the sport!

Anyway, myself and yourself made a little bet or pact several months back. Nothing has changed, Bernard has done nothing since Kiko, beat nobody, fought for no title and I say this will continue. He will not win a title at any weight, nor will he come even close to winning. He may fight for a title, MAY; but he gets destroyed, and early!

****e talk?

What's ****e about saying the chap hasn't got a chance of winning a world title.

Again, you are obvioulsy biased and are a massive Dunne fan who will always make excuses for the fights he participates in. Put the kid down? So saying he will never win a title is putting him down?
Maybe I should bull**** like you and Dowling and Rock etc and say he's the best and is brilliant
and will win a title? Yes, that's clever isn't it!

You cannot judge him on his actual potential and ability to beat the best in the world.
You are happy to go along watching him face tomato cans. That's where we differ, and if that is ****E talk, so be it. It's still a whole lot more coherent and honest than
anything you have said!

You are not a boxing fan. You are a Dunne fan; and a Dunne worshipper.'
That's why your views are clouded and incoherent!

Yeah I know nothing about the sport, does your mediocre amateur boxing career make you more qualified to post on this thread than me? - i dont think so, just because i dont share your opinion on dunne does not automatically qualify me as his love child nor does it equal the sum parts of my interest/knowledge in the sport so you are just being plain ignorant now.

I have followed his career very closely and genuinely believe that he has what it takes, I have made this judgement on all of his pro bouts to date not just the Martinez bout which i believe he has exorcised now at this stage. And the bet we made a number of months ago was that you would be amazed if dunne stepped between the ropes ever again after the Martinez bout and you had him written off as not having the backbone to start again, he has put 3 comfortable wins under his belt and has forced his way into the top 10 and is likely to get a title shot next - not bad for someone you had written off some 9 months ago.

You are right you can only judge him on what he has achieved and thats his record and it looks pretty healthy to me, so too does his top 10 ranking but you wont take any of this into consideration because you have a blinding hatred for him in much the same way you think I have a blinding bias towards him, the facts say he is top 10, the facts say he is 27-1. he has his strengths and his weaknesses like any boxer but you just keep ramming your opinions down peoples throats and cant accept anybody who sees promise in him.

Like i guessed 2 weeks ago he will probably be the first irishman in what feels like an age to get to contest for a world strap and if im slightly over optimistic that he can win then shoot me down.

walshb

alanceltic wrote: »

Yeah I know nothing about the sport, does your mediocre amateur boxing career make you more qualified to post on this thread than me? - i dont think so, just because i dont share your opinion on dunne does not automatically qualify me as his love child nor does it equal the sum parts of my interest/knowledge in the sport so you are just being plain ignorant now.

I have followed his career very closely and genuinely believe that he has what it takes, I have made this judgement on all of his pro bouts to date not just the Martinez bout which i believe he has exorcised now at this stage. And the bet we made a number of months ago was that you would be amazed if dunne stepped between the ropes ever again after the Martinez bout and you had him written off as not having the backbone to start again, he has put 3 comfortable wins under his belt and has forced his way into the top 10 and is likely to get a title shot next - not bad for someone you had written off some 9 months ago.

You are right you can only judge him on what he has achieved and thats his record and it looks pretty healthy to me, so too does his top 10 ranking but you wont take any of this into consideration because you have a blinding hatred for him in much the same way you think I have a blinding bias towards him, the facts say he is top 10, the facts say he is 27-1. he has his strengths and his weaknesses like any boxer but you just keep ramming your opinions down peoples throats and cant accept anybody who sees promise in him.

Like i guessed 2 weeks ago he will probably be the first irishman in what feels like an age to get to contest for a world strap and if im slightly over optimistic that he can win then shoot me down.

I don't need to shoot you down alan, you do that all by yourself with your love for Bernard and your PRO Bernard posts.:D

You see promise in him for a world title? Good luck!

As I said, let's wait and see. To date, I have said nothing that has been incorrect.
Yes, I did think he would NOT come back and fight. He did, I admit I was wrong there; but I also said that IF he came back, he would achieve ZERO. To date, that is CORRECT and it will remain correct until he gets clean KO'd by the first decent fighter he meets.

What has my amateur career got to do with Bernard or my judging him.
There are plenty of folks on boards that have no boxing experience; but they know
the sport well and can make very good points and analyse very accurately if a fighter has what it takes. You are just not one of them!

You are simply a very poor judge in terms of boxing and what it takes to be world class.
The funny thing is, you seem to be in very good company with the likes of Rock and McCauley and Jimmy MaGee!:D (although they are being paid to hype). He's 27-1 whick looks great, but a good judge, which you are obviously NOT, would realise that the wins were all against less than quality fighters and ALL were against less than world class; and in a lot, Bernard looked very ordinary and was unable to put most of them away!

There is no chance of me shooting you down; because I do believe that at any weight, Bernard will NOT have the slightest chance of a title. He may well fight for it, only because the CHAMP is offered good money for a very very easy win!

And yet again the HATE word is brought into the debate by you.
See alan, you're letting yourself down all the time!

And for the record, all this started because some folks are just so stupid in thinking that just because
a person doesn't rate a fighter, then that person must HATE the fighter. That's how it started.

alan, you are one of these posters who says I HATE Bernard. Can you not see how ludicrous that sounds? BTW, what's the story with the love child? I said associate, didn't realise it was more than associate:D

"i dont think so, just because i dont share your opinion on dunne does not automatically qualify me as his love child nor does it equal the sum parts of my interest/knowledge in the sport so you are just being plain ignorant now."

alanceltic

walshb wrote: »

As I said, let's wait and see. To date, I have said nothing that has been incorrect. Yes, I did think he would NOT come back and fight; but I also said that IF he came back.[/I]

Oh man just look at what you are saying, you said he would never step through the ropes again, now you are saying BUT IF BUT IF, you accept you were wrong but you now try and backtrack by saying "but if he does" a bit like the alco who said ill never touch a drop again but if i do it will only be a social one, talk about being right even when you are wrong.

walshb wrote: »

What has my amateur career got to do with Bernard or my judging him.[/I]

The point I am making is that you are no more qualified than anybody else to have an opinion, you claim without foundations of fact that I am not a boxing fan which I find strange considering you dont know me so I am assuming you have an inherint belief that you have an absolute right to be correct on all boxing matters because you have a medicore amateur background but then again mabey its your mod status that gives you this arrogant attitude, I wouldnt be the first poster to come across your insistence that you are always right, your contribution to all things Dunne is to insist that your views are right and when you are wrong you are right aswell. Mabey if I agreed with your views on Dunne I would qualify in your books as being a "boxing fan".

You see the thing is there are a few people who have taken you to task on these issues and you simply dont like being challenged on it. The thing is you are critical of every single step he has taken and you cant see the bigger picture, he has gone from a defeat of his euro belt to a possible world title clash in 3 fights which he has had close to shutout wins (theres no doubt he has been well handled but they were decent enough opponents) and you take every single negative you can grasp at and not one single positive, compare this with say Munroe who has fought a level of opponent Dunne would be crucified for taking on, compare this again to Hunter who was a broken man after his defeat to Molitor. Consider this with your view that Hyland would wipe the floor with Dunne (before he was beaten by a bum) and oh yeah what would i know coz im not a boxing fan, there is no doubt that regardless of who Dunne meets in future that you will be rooting for the other corner if for no other reason that to win a discussion which is pretty shallow IMO, this is why I use the word Hate and why I have in the past used the word begrudger again i would not be the first poster to challenge you on this and wont be the last, you seem to have a hidden motive to get an anti Dunne bandwagon rolling which I find really strange.

walshb wrote: »

You are simply a very poor judge in terms of boxing and what it takes to be world class.[/I]

From somebody who who previously taught that Khan was world class and that we should all root for him:eek::eek:

The thing is walshb you have entrenched yourself to the point that you have to stick to your guns in order to save any face and regardless of what the facts are you will try and belittle me by saying I am not a boxing fan in order to try and ram home your sentiments

joepenguin

So then... should Dunne move to featherweight?

How will he take a featherweights punches? I think thats the most important question because he aint knocking anybody out lately anyway. Even when he's the bigger guy.

Maybe he could have a catch weight fight with a genuine 126lb fighter to test the waters?

Im gonna throw out a few names. Some Irish, British, European and world ranked guys

Choi Tseveenpurev
Derry Matthews
Martin Lindsay
Juan Ruiz
Paul Griffin
Paddy Hyland
Oleg Yefimovych
Fernando David Saucedo

Before talking about the champions how do you think Dunne fairs out against any of these guys? Or are there any other world ranked feathewweight contenders that he could take?

Running Bing

I think the competition at FW is clearly inferior but Dunne would seriously struggle against the bigger men imo.


I dont think moving up in weight is a viable option for somebody as limited in the power and chin department as Dunne.


I think the best Dunne can ever hope for is a euro title at Super Bantam but I still think he would have a very hard time against Munroe.

Dunne is in danger of stagnating now with his 29th birthday fast approaching, I just cannot see Dunne making a significant impact on the world stage now. He let the Martinez fight set him back too much imo....if he was really confident of beating him he should of rematched him quickly and got on with it.

alanceltic

There is clearly a trade off in moving to feather and when you weigh it up it makes sense, there are easier world title fights at feather and this compensates for the HUGH hitters at super bantam (excluding molitor).

I think Munroe is technically very poor, he will beat the bum thats set up for him this month and will then go on to beat Martinez again but I actually think Hyland could push him all they way if he got into a position to get a shot.

I also believe that Dunne and Martinez will cross paths again, wether its at world or euro level... why .... because thats what the people want to see and thats where the money is

Shane-1

This is the best post on boards by far, tis descending into farce at this stage

I think everyone here has such polarised views on Dunne that ye cant see the truth anymore

Dunne certainly is'nt in decline, he is just still as good or as bad as he ever was, if anything he might have coppped on to his limitations after the Martinez fight.

He is'nt the best or worst fighter in the world, perhaps he may even surprise a few people if his team would take the step of putting him in against any half way decent fighter. He has'nt fought anyone of any merit, but thats not his fault, you can only beat whats put in front of you and his team needs to pull the finger out and take the bubble wrap off him if he is to go anywhere.

In my opinion the worst thing he ever did was to move back to Ireland, from what I understand he was matched with tough opponents in America and was gaining a great reputation State side before he came home here. Thats the difference between the approach to developing boxers here (Britain and Ireland) and over in the States. Over here we are more concerned with hyping up a fighter, selling tickets and making their record look amazing ie few defeats etc. In America you are put in with all comers, your record may be more blemished but you will develop faster. Dunne is going nowhere fast if his team dont cop on, and it will be a shame cause perhaps he could have potential.

walshb

Shane-1 wrote: »

This is the best post on boards by far, tis descending into farce at this stage

I think everyone here has such polarised views on Dunne that ye cant see the truth anymore

Dunne certainly is'nt in decline, he is just still as good or as bad as he ever was, if anything he might have coppped on to his limitations after the Martinez fight.

He is'nt the best or worst fighter in the world, perhaps he may even surprise a few people if his team would take the step of putting him in against any half way decent fighter. He has'nt fought anyone of any merit, but thats not his fault, you can only beat whats put in front of you and his team needs to pull the finger out and take the bubble wrap off him if he is to go anywhere.

In my opinion the worst thing he ever did was to move back to Ireland, from what I understand he was matched with tough opponents in America and was gaining a great reputation State side before he came home here. Thats the difference between the approach to developing boxers here (Britain and Ireland) and over in the States. Over here we are more concerned with hyping up a fighter, selling tickets and making their record look amazing ie few defeats etc. In America you are put in with all comers, your record may be more blemished but you will develop faster. Dunne is going nowhere fast if his team dont cop on, and it will be a shame cause perhaps he could have potential.

Shane, he was 'let go' in America because he wasn't up to it. He came back to Ireland because the Americans knew he wasn't going anywhere on the world stage.

And they didn't need a Kiko to prove this. They just knew from their time with him and his performances with them!

walshb

alanceltic wrote: »

Oh man just look at what you are saying, you said he would never step through the ropes again, now you are saying BUT IF BUT IF, you accept you were wrong but you now try and backtrack by saying "but if he does" a bit like the alco who said ill never touch a drop again but if i do it will only be a social one, talk about being right even when you are wrong.



The point I am making is that you are no more qualified than anybody else to have an opinion, you claim without foundations of fact that I am not a boxing fan which I find strange considering you dont know me so I am assuming you have an inherint belief that you have an absolute right to be correct on all boxing matters because you have a medicore amateur background but then again mabey its your mod status that gives you this arrogant attitude, I wouldnt be the first poster to come across your insistence that you are always right, your contribution to all things Dunne is to insist that your views are right and when you are wrong you are right aswell. Mabey if I agreed with your views on Dunne I would qualify in your books as being a "boxing fan".

You see the thing is there are a few people who have taken you to task on these issues and you simply dont like being challenged on it. The thing is you are critical of every single step he has taken and you cant see the bigger picture, he has gone from a defeat of his euro belt to a possible world title clash in 3 fights which he has had close to shutout wins (theres no doubt he has been well handled but they were decent enough opponents) and you take every single negative you can grasp at and not one single positive, compare this with say Munroe who has fought a level of opponent Dunne would be crucified for taking on, compare this again to Hunter who was a broken man after his defeat to Molitor. Consider this with your view that Hyland would wipe the floor with Dunne (before he was beaten by a bum) and oh yeah what would i know coz im not a boxing fan, there is no doubt that regardless of who Dunne meets in future that you will be rooting for the other corner if for no other reason that to win a discussion which is pretty shallow IMO, this is why I use the word Hate and why I have in the past used the word begrudger again i would not be the first poster to challenge you on this and wont be the last, you seem to have a hidden motive to get an anti Dunne bandwagon rolling which I find really strange.




From somebody who who previously taught that Khan was world class and that we should all root for him:eek::eek:

The thing is walshb you have entrenched yourself to the point that you have to stick to your guns in order to save any face and regardless of what the facts are you will try and belittle me by saying I am not a boxing fan in order to try and ram home your sentiments

Alan, again you keep putting your big foot in it!

Ok, you got me. I did say he wouldn't step thru the ropes again. Big deal, he did, I was
wrong and I have admitted that. Get over it. I said that IF by chance he did fight again, he would win ZERO and achieve ZERO. That point is the critical point and to date, it's corrrect!

I never insisted I am always right. The only thing I have been pulling you up on is your silly silly insistence that I HATE Dunne, and therefore that is why I don't rate him.

Are you following?

You rate the chap and I don't. I think you over rate him and neglect to see glaring and obvious weaknesses that will always see him lose to quality. That's not arrogance or ignorance. I just think your view that Dunne will possibly win a world title and that Dunne is world class is wrong. That's all!

Where and when did I say Hyland would 'wipe' the floor with Dunne.
So you are also a liar. How can anyone debate with
you if you are a liar? Should you get a quote from me saying what you claim, I will
apologise!

I said Hyland would beat Dunne from what I saw of both.

Serioulsy, leave out the HATE on this thread. It only makes you
out to be extremely shallow and childish and makes a mockery of your
views.

As for Khan, we all knew that his chin was 'iffy' but he still has serous
potential and is leagues ahead of Dunne in every way. He was
hit with dynamite and crumbled!

I do not rate Dunne as a FIGHTER, not at all!!!

Read that alan, it says FIGHTER

walshb

Rolls Joyce wrote: »

Dunne had been badly exposed in his last fight in the States. He also got ran out of the Wild Card gym, where his reputation was that of a "Dog"...i.e. a quitter. Dunne had refused Sparring on grounds of "bad hands", and never got over it.

FACT.

Sounds right to me!

walshb

Rolls, my view on Dunne is purely on his boxing which some folks on this thread cannot get:rolleyes:
As a person, I don't know him; but I think he's quite affable and engaging on TV
He is a fine boxer with all the right moves and style etc. But that's where it ends IMO

Beyond that, he has nothing in abundance to make it. And he never had and never will!

How is Dunne better than Khan. I can't see that.
Chin, both are damn iffy as has been proved.

Speed? Khan all the way.
Stamina? Khan IMO
Power? Defo Khan
Finishing ability? Khan defo

Khan lacks a chin?

Dunne lacks a whole lot more!

Rocked by much smaller men?
Men who weighed in at his weight and looked comparable

walshb

Khan got nailed by dynamite and Dunne didn't get up when Kiko finally caught
him clean. The first two KD in that bout where from clips to the top of the head.

Khan was floored by a bomb of a left hook to the face. He got up and was then
floored by a murderous shot.

Look, both have chin issues, apart from that, Khan has much more to
offer in more areas and has far more potential, plus he has youth on his side!

T-K-O

Walsh is your real name alistair campbell

alanceltic

walshb wrote: »

Ok, you got me. I did say he wouldn't step thru the ropes again. Big deal, he did, I was
wrong and I have admitted that.

At last we are making progress now.

walshb wrote: »

The only thing I have been pulling you up on is your silly silly insistence that I HATE Dunne

Not just me pal, theres a few people who have accused you of stirring up anti dunne sentiments over the last while and the words Hate & begrudger have been directed at you by other posters, dont make me trawl for them but I will if you deny it!

walshb wrote: »

Where and when did I say Hyland would 'wipe' the floor with Dunne.
So you are also a liar. How can anyone debate with
you if you are a liar? Should you get a quote from me saying what you claim, I will
apologise!

Here we go, it must be bourne in mind that this post below which you insisted on trawling was before Hyland lost to a journeyman and you subsequently changed your opinion to Hyland going the distance and you have since tried to distance yourself from this claim by talkin sh*te about how bad dunne is :cool:, oh and no need to apologise im not that shallow and again this from somebody who had no problems with saying I wasnt a boxing fan and had no knowledge of the sport and insists that I am letting myself down and putting my foot in it, aint no need to get personal but if we stick to the facts you will see that you have entrenched yourself and keep forgetting about all your little posts which contradict your claims

walshb wrote: »

And if I had to bet on Hyland V Dunne, I would back Hyland to win by TKO or KO. I see him being better in all areas, and he's younger and fresher too.

Just to re-inforce the point on your views of the Hyland loss and how it compares with Dunnes;

walshb wrote: »

The fight was over 4 rds?
How is this, considering he went 10 rds in an impressive display
V Callaghan! I'm sorry, but you cannot take this as any indicator as to how a bout with Dunne would unfold. It's 4 bloody rds; some fighters are only getting warmed up after
4 rds.

It seems like its OK in your eyes for Hyland to lose to a journeyman over 4 rounds but its not OK for Dunne to get KO'd in 1 round by a mandatory challenger.

And now you just keep insisting on ratcheting it up without facts;

walshb wrote: »

Shane, he was 'let go' in America because he wasn't up to it. He came back to Ireland because the Americans knew he wasn't going anywhere on the world stage.
And they didn't need a Kiko to prove this. They just knew from their time with him and his performances with them!

He was signed with SRL (Sugar Ray Leonard Promotions) when he was in the states and SRL as a company folded as the man himself was lured by the big $$$ to run the contender series, he never planned on staying in the US and if you bother to read his interviews to the irish press back in the day he had a desire to come back home at the earliest opportunity and he used this break in his contract to come back home, what you are saying is utter sh_ite talk and its the sort of crap that you insist on putting out there to ram your poisoned views down peoples throats and yeah I would say someone who carries on like this must have a HATE or BEGRUDGERY for this person, and dont forget that the person who was telling all and sundry that Dunne was more than capable with his sparring sessions (with Spaddy,Pac,Mosley,Nate Campbell etc etc etc) was none other than Freddy Roache, but I suppose you know better?????

Now mabey just mabey you will see yourself for what you are, but then again you will probably just brush over the important point I raised as you have done in earlier posts and probably get personal again just to distract from you being blinded.......

walshb

alanceltic wrote: »

At last we are making progress now.



Not just me pal, theres a few people who have accused you of stirring up anti dunne sentiments over the last while and the words Hate & begrudger have been directed at you by other posters, dont make me trawl for them but I will if you deny it!




Here we go, it must be bourne in mind that this post below which you insisted on trawling was before Hyland lost to a journeyman and you subsequently changed your opinion to Hyland going the distance and you have since tried to distance yourself from this claim by talkin sh*te about how bad dunne is :cool:, oh and no need to apologise im not that shallow and again this from somebody who had no problems with saying I wasnt a boxing fan and had no knowledge of the sport and insists that I am letting myself down and putting my foot in it, aint no need to get personal but if we stick to the facts you will see that you have entrenched yourself and keep forgetting about all your little posts which contradict your claims



Just to re-inforce the point on your views of the Hyland loss and how it compares with Dunnes;


It seems like its OK in your eyes for Hyland to lose to a journeyman over 4 rounds but its not OK for Dunne to get KO'd in 1 round by a mandatory challenger.

And now you just keep insisting on ratcheting it up without facts;



He was signed with SRL (Sugar Ray Leonard Promotions) when he was in the states and SRL as a company folded as the man himself was lured by the big $$$ to run the contender series, he never planned on staying in the US and if you bother to read his interviews to the irish press back in the day he had a desire to come back home at the earliest opportunity and he used this break in his contract to come back home, what you are saying is utter sh_ite talk and its the sort of crap that you insist on putting out there to ram your poisoned views down peoples throats and yeah I would say someone who carries on like this must have a HATE or BEGRUDGERY for this person, and dont forget that the person who was telling all and sundry that Dunne was more than capable with his sparring sessions (with Spaddy,Pac,Mosley,Nate Campbell etc etc etc) was none other than Freddy Roache, but I suppose you know better?????

Now mabey just mabey you will see yourself for what you are, but then again you will probably just brush over the important point I raised as you have done in earlier posts and probably get personal again just to distract from you being blinded.......

My point proved. alan, you are a LIAR and you not getting the quote proves this.

I am finished debating with a LIAR and a person who brings HATE and prejudice into a discussion. No, you were not the only one to bring HATE into the Dunne discussion. You are unfortunately NOT the only idiot to be guilty of this.

I have had it debating with a child who will only see things from one view and when his points are challenged, the HATE word is brought into it. So so ridiculous!

Hyland lost a 4 rd decision. He wasn't obliterated in 86 secs. There is a difference!

BTW, Hyland will never win a world title either!

I know, as a lot know and as Dunne knows, he was 'let go' from the States and all the stories in the
world will not disprove this!

From here on in I will not bother responding. The next time I direct a post at you is when I am proved right and Dunne is forced into retirement because he was beaten decisively by a quality fighter.
Till then alan, so long!

Then I can have a little chuckle at how you were so caught up in the Dunne hype and failed to see that the guy
just hasn't got what it takes!

walshb

Rolls Joyce wrote: »

The weights lie. Kiko and Voronin were massive and muscled in comparison to Ben. By contrast, Gomez and Earl were tiny compared to Khan. As soon as he fought Prescott and ceded the height advantage, it was over.

Massive and muscled? What has that got to do with it.
This is boxing, not weightlifting or body building.
Both guys were at super bantam and ARE natural 122 lb men!
Voronin more a feather I would say, but both weighed 125 for the bout!
So I guess that deals with Dunne moving to 126. If he thought Voronin was tough?
Dunnes' chin simply let him down, as did Khan's. I juts think Khan
was hit with a lot more penetrative shots, that's all!

Dunne was taller than both his men; does this negate the 'massive muscles':rolleyes:

conceited

Kiko takes drugs bernard doesn't.

Massive and muscled? What has that got to do with it.
This is boxing, not weightlifting or body building.

HOW DO YOU THINK HIS ARM MOVES WITH AIR?

alanceltic

So Im a the liar, and you didnt post any of them things??? must have been the little faries loggin onto your profile, when things dont go your way you resort to getting personal then to sweeping statements calling me a liar (and all from a MODERATOR nice!), I have posted points which I can back up 100% (and most of which are quotes from your own words not mine) pity you cant say the same to back up your points. But true to form you are consistent I will give you that much I did say you would ignore the points I raised (cos the truth hurts) and come back with a sweeping statement of sorts which is incorrect and this is proved because you cant back it up.

And you keep insisting on peddaling this crap about the Wildcard Gym and Dunnes sparring, wheres your source, wheres your facts, you dont have any so stop talkin crap. Go look on youtube for a start you might find something there. Im pretty sure i could find quotes from Freddy Roache or press reports on Dunnes sparring and they will not correlate with your unfounded tarnished views because them simply only exist in your head.

If you simply can handle a discussion where facts are put in front of you and you choose to ignore them then simply dont go there but you keep insisting on doing this.

As for Dunne winning a world title, when did I EVER say he would win a world title??? go on go trawl and show me? I have simply stood up to those who insist on dragging the kid down into the gutter and having cheap shots at every turn. I have said in the past that he would regain his european belt, I have said in the past that he would beat Munroe/Hunter/Kiko and I think I also said he would get an opportunity to contest a world title soon, there aint no shame in loosing in a world title but I did say he had a 50:50 chance given the right opponent and I believe Molitor or Larios is within his grasp.

I tell you what, seeing as you stand corrected on all your inaccuracies, when you stop peddaling cheap talk about Dunne Ill stop correcting you all the time, and going back over to edit your posts after the event doesnt make you look any different by the way

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

Massive and muscled? What has that got to do with it.
This is boxing, not weightlifting or body building.
Both guys were at super bantam and ARE natural 122 lb men!
Voronin more a feather I would say, but both weighed 125 for the bout!
So I guess that deals with Dunne moving to 126. If he thought Voronin was tough?
Dunnes' chin simply let him down, as did Khan's. I juts think Khan
was hit with a lot more penetrative shots, that's all!

Dunne was taller than both his men; does this negate the 'massive muscles':rolleyes:

Have you boxed? Just because a two guys weight in at the same weight, means nothing.

Paul Williams!!!!

T-K-O

alanceltic wrote: »

So Im a the liar, and you didnt post any of them things??? must have been the little faries loggin onto your profile, when things dont go your way you resort to getting personal then to sweeping statements calling me a liar (and all from a MODERATOR nice!), I have posted points which I can back up 100% (and most of which are quotes from your own words not mine) pity you cant say the same to back up your points. But true to form you are consistent I will give you that much I did say you would ignore the points I raised (cos the truth hurts) and come back with a sweeping statement of sorts which is incorrect and this is proved because you cant back it up.

And you keep insisting on peddaling this crap about the Wildcard Gym and Dunnes sparring, wheres your source, wheres your facts, you dont have any so stop talkin crap. Go look on youtube for a start you might find something there. Im pretty sure i could find quotes from Freddy Roache or press reports on Dunnes sparring and they will not correlate with your unfounded tarnished views because them simply only exist in your head.

If you simply can handle a discussion where facts are put in front of you and you choose to ignore them then simply dont go there but you keep insisting on doing this.

As for Dunne winning a world title, when did I EVER say he would win a world title??? go on go trawl and show me? I have simply stood up to those who insist on dragging the kid down into the gutter and having cheap shots at every turn. I have said in the past that he would regain his european belt, I have said in the past that he would beat Munroe/Hunter/Kiko and I think I also said he would get an opportunity to contest a world title soon, there aint no shame in loosing in a world title but I did say he had a 50:50 chance given the right opponent and I believe Molitor or Larios is within his grasp.

I tell you what, seeing as you stand corrected on all your inaccuracies, when you stop peddaling cheap talk about Dunne Ill stop correcting you all the time, and going back over to edit your posts after the event doesnt make you look any different by the way

Spot on about the gym amongst other things.

You, like me believe Dunne is a contender and he is.

Not everyone can be a Pac or a Hyland

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Spot on about the gym amongst other things.

You, like me believe Dunne is a contender and he is.

Not everyone can be a Pac or a Hyland

TKO, that's all I was ever looking for; but alan insists on bringing in HATE and prejudice.

You say you believe he is a contender. Perfect. I think he is NOT and I respect your opinion.
I just happen to think it's way off being correct and even NOW, it is apparent that
he is not in a position or is not good enough to win a world title.

He has beat three men who are NOT even legitimate 122 lb men, so how that makes him a contender in the 122 lb division?

If Bernard beats a legitimate TOP 10 contender in the 122 lb division, I will say he is TOP 10 and a possible contender. Let's be honest and real. He has NOT beaten a TOP 20 fighter since KIKO in the 122 lb division. How can we then say he is a legitimate
world class contender? The facts speak for themselves!

AS for the weights. Dunne is a super bantam and Kiko is a super bantam and Voronin is bordering a feather.
Kiko is still a super bantam. I have boxed and I know weights inside bloody out. Looks can be deceiving and just because one guys is muscled and ripped does not automatically mean he is a heavier hitter or is stronger. Physics and bodies do not work like this.

Dunne is just not a strong heavy hitter and it has ZERO to do with his appearance or build. It's something a fighter is born with. Look at Hearns and Julian Jackson. Tommy was a skinny wiry welter but hit like a bloody mule and was strong. JJ the same, very wiry and ripped and was a mega hitter.

Paul, if you are listening, please explain what I am trying to say!

Paul Williams is a natural and big welter as was Hearns.

What has he got to do with it. Are you saying Kiko is not a 122 lb fighter, that
he is a feather in a 122 lb body? That's not the case! Jeez, Kiko's listed
height is 5'5. It's more like 5'3 really. He's a small compact little man. That's his
body make up. Dunne is a wiry and taller man; but both are 122 lb men!

alanceltic

No I just hate this typical irish attitude (which has been imported from the brits by the way) of building up our sports pros in any code and then rounding on them. I will support most sports and take great enjoyment & PRIDE egging on irish athletes in most codes, it gives me a buzz but I hate the knockers, you try your best and have to deal with the idiots on the side who take the cheap shot.

And for its worth I would love to see Hyland contend for a european title, I would also love to see Duddy have a go but for some reason Dunne has attracted quite a lot of unwarranted, undesirable, negative, deceitful & unfounded claims and this bugs the hell out of me. And this from people who would be quite happy to cheer on a british fighter to the hilt, its a bit sad really but thats my own personal opinion, unlike some i wont try and force it down anybodys neck

walshb

alan, I think myself and yourself should start over and try and at least 'get on' whilst also disagreeing.

Who is building up Bernard. It certainly is NOT me. It's the Irish media and Peters and co.

I don't feel I am building him up to pull him down as IMO, he has hardly got to the TOP?

Look, I couldn't care less what type of guy he is. I just think as a fighter he hasn't shown ME
any world class potential and beating guys like Pickering and Voronin and Hughes etc is just not all that great. OK, he beat them, fair play for that; but I cannot use these wins as
a barometer for WORLD succcess.

I just can't! Nor from viewing his wins did I see real star
quality. Look, some of those guys should never have went more than 3 rds and world
fighters would have destroyed them early. Bernard didn't and that's all down to his lack of power and stamina and finishing ability and whether you like it or not, these do count on the WORLD scene; not so much domestically or even on the European side, but definitely on the WORLD.

conceited

walsh please stop.Now your an expert on human anatomy .
Give it a rest bud.

walshb

conceited wrote: »

walsh please stop.Now your an expert on human anatomy .
Give it a rest bud.

I don't think you really serve a purpose do you?