The Racist Irish

Kershaw.D

Do you think that the Irish are racist
in a way I do and dont
The way that I look at it is that the Irish dont hate other races ,more that they see them taking the jobs of the Irish and would rather there unemployed friend get that job ,or just that when they go into McDonalds the want someone that can understand Them to be serving them.
and then the Gov saying that there isnt enough jobs and too many
people on the Labour then taking more people in from other countries

I dont think that we are racist just jealous of how much better they get treated by the gov(housed faster ,free cars ect)

SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU ALL THINK?

Caoimhín

Kershaw.D wrote: »

Do You Think That The Irish Are Racist
In A Way I Do And Dont
The Way That I Look At It Is That The Irish Dont Hate Other Racises ,More That They See Them Taking The Jobs Of The Irish And Would Rather There Unemployed Friend Get That Job ,Or Just That When They Go Into McDonalds The Want Someone That Can Understand Them To Be Serving Them.
And Then The Gov Saying That There Isnt Enough Jobs And Too Many
People On The Labour Then Taking more people in from other countrys

I Dont Think that we are racist just jealous of how much better they get treated by the gov(housed faster ,free cars ect)

SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU ALL THINK?

WHY ALL THE CAPITAL LETTERS?

Kershaw.D

Just a habbit when typing

djpbarry

Kershaw.D wrote: »

SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU ALL THINK?

I think I just wasted about 5 minutes trying to decipher your post before realising it was a crock of ****.

samhail

i can understand how alot of irish who are struggling and want to blame someone do reach out and pick someone.

like if your flying along on the motor way and someone cuts in in front of you... if thats a galways reg car ! all people, animals, food have just gone down a notch !

is it only the irish that would react that way ?

djpbarry

djpbarry wrote: »

I think I just wasted about 5 minutes trying to decipher your post before realising it was a crock of ****.

+1

All them capitals gave me a HEADACHE

samhail

I agree to disagree to agree with every post other than the OP's post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization

That is a way to write as documented there... been used for years ! i thought there was an option in word to change the first letter of every word to caps but couldnt find it (perhaps small caps?) - i must have been thinking of one of those textpad or notepad++ type programs.

well done for taking 5min to read a paragraph ! lets move on ?

dsmythy

Some Irish people are racist, most are not. I think that about covers it.

Kershaw.D

Are yous happy most of the caps are gone

Caoimhín

Kershaw.D wrote: »

Are yous happy most of the caps are gone

Yes, good work.

Now work on your spelling.

DublinWriter

We're the most racist, bile-filled hateful race on the planet.

However, being Irish, we always feel the need to qualify that hatred.

The anti-British could blame 800 years of what-ever you're having yourself, while the Irish neo-racists resent the Chinese for scooping up all those juicy minimum-wage 12-hour shift gigs in Spar that they wouldn't raise themselves off their collective hoop to do themselves.

Caoimhín

DublinWriter wrote: »

We're the most racist, bile-filled hateful race on the planet.

Speak for yourself.

Kershaw.D

Caoimhín wrote: »

Yes, good work.

Now work on your spelling.

Whats wrong with my spelling

Caoimhín

Kershaw.D wrote: »

Whats wrong with my spelling

"yous" is not a word.

JimiTime

Caoimhín wrote: »

"yous" is not a word.

If its not a word, how do you know he spelt it wrong:p:) Grammar is the word you're after.

dlofnep

Kershaw.D wrote: »

more that they see them taking the jobs of the Irish and would rather there unemployed friend get that job ,

The reason their friend is unemployed is because they are lazy and are quite comfortable with sponging the dole. If a lazy Irish person doesn't have the job, it's because they didn't want it in the first place. You cannot blame non-nationals for taking jobs. The jobs were out there for years, but the same Irish nationals sat on their backside and soaked up our tax because they were lazy.

Kershaw.D wrote: »

or just that when they go into McDonalds the want someone that can understand Them to be serving them.

You're ordering a cheeseburger, not asking them to recite poetry.

Kershaw.D wrote: »

and then the Gov saying that there isnt enough jobs and too many
people on the Labour then taking more people in from other countries

A large portion of the people on Labour are Irish. Nationality has nothing to do with it. There are many immigrants who work long and hard hours, contributing tax to our economy.

Kershaw.D wrote: »

I dont think that we are racist just jealous of how much better they get treated by the gov(housed faster ,free cars ect)

Don't speak for me or anyone else. I'm not racist because I don't think race dictates any social settings. You come across as Xenophobic. Typical brainwashed public.

By the way - Give me one example of a non-national getting a free house & car?

todolist

The Irish are the most docile passive race in Europe.That explains the mass immigration into Ireland without any opposition or dissent.

samhail

There are three types of people in ireland: those who can count; and those who can't.

K4t

samhail wrote: »

There are three types of people in ireland: those who can count; and those who can't.

Which type are you?

DublinWriter wrote: »

We're the most racist, bile-filled hateful race on the planet.

Based on what exactly.............?

grenache

Every nation is someway racist. The Irish are no less or no more racist than the next race of people.

Except the French of course, we're not as racist as them

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I've never actually had a problem ordering food from a foreigner in a Centra or fast food joint and always felt people were bullsh1tting when they said they had.

Are we racist? I think so. If a foreigner works harder at a certain job than and Irishman does, I think he's more entitled to it.

mikemac

dlofnep wrote: »

The reason their friend is unemployed is because they are lazy and are quite comfortable with sponging the dole. If a lazy Irish person doesn't have the job, it's because they didn't want it in the first place. You cannot blame non-nationals for taking jobs. The jobs were out there for years, but the same Irish nationals sat on their backside and soaked up our tax because they were lazy.

Been there, have you? Competing against thousands of immigrants and thousands of students for summer jobs. In Galway in my case and sure any bar/waiter/kitchen porter job would have done. Tbh, Galway is a bad example due to so many students but it isn't as easy as saying I want a job and I'll have one within a week. I applied to McDonalds and the manager wasn't hiring at the time even. Oh, wasn't entitled to dole as was on a college course so I wasn't exactly sponging off anyone but queing the weekly paper with job ads every Thursday morning and completing applications in hotel receptions within 30 minutes of the paper wasn't always enough

dlofnep wrote: »

A large portion of the people on Labour are Irish. Nationality has nothing to do with it. There are many immigrants who work long and hard hours, contributing tax to our economy.

A lot (most?) earn minimum wage or at least work in the service sector where wages aren't great. I fully realise people in construction and possibly the many immigrants working in nursing earn more.
Yep, tax is paid but also it drived up rent and drives down service sector wages so not everyone welcomes it.

dlofnep wrote: »

Don't speak for me or anyone else. I'm not racist because I don't think race dictates any social settings. You come across as Xenophobic.

+1
So many poster posting that a white European Irish person can be racist against a white Eastern European person. Same race, different nationality.

dlofnep wrote: »

By the way - Give me one example of a non-national getting a free house & car?

Gotta agree with with you there, those myths were there for years and aren't ever going away.

FX Meister

Kershaw.D wrote: »

they get treated by the gov(housed faster ,free cars ect)

SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU ALL THINK?

That's not true. I applied for my free car at the same time as a nigerian guy I know who lives in my area. While he didn't get his car for two weeks I had mine in about three days. And they gave me a white mazda 323, 2004 model. He only got a 1991 Toyota Corolla and it was red.

You realise what you have said in your post constitutes racism? Ignorance is no excuse for racism.

camel toe

to the crazy russian level? definetly not.

i dont know really. just take league of ireland for example, black players in the league are never subjected to any sort of abuse, which cannot be said for leagues of a similar ilk like croatia.

you'd never have irish people at a football match booing a black player like that time spain played england in madrid.

nah id say we're moderate in general(if u take it that all countries have an undertone of racism)

for example with the levels of immigration we have had there hasn't been rly any violence of note like there has been in sweden for instance.

immigrants by and large seem to assimilate pretty well(if they want to) and overall we're pretty alrite.

ive found the working class to be the best for interacting with immigrants.

camel toe

DublinWriter wrote: »

We're the most racist, bile-filled hateful race on the planet.

However, being Irish, we always feel the need to qualify that hatred.

The anti-British could blame 800 years of what-ever you're having yourself, while the Irish neo-racists resent the Chinese for scooping up all those juicy minimum-wage 12-hour shift gigs in Spar that they wouldn't raise themselves off their collective hoop to do themselves.

ive seen u post before and i think ur a bit of a prick tbh. u seem to have a lot of hangups and deep hatred for irish people.

stop posting seriously u depress me.

camel toe

camel toe wrote: »

to the crazy russian level? definetly not.

i dont know really. just take league of ireland for example, black players in the league are never subjected to any sort of abuse, which cannot be said for leagues of a similar ilk like croatia.

you'd never have irish people at a football match booing a black player like that time spain played england in madrid.

nah id say we're moderate in general(if u take it that all countries have an undertone of racism)

for example with the levels of immigration we have had there hasn't been rly any violence of note like there has been in sweden for instance.

immigrants by and large seem to assimilate pretty well(if they want to) and overall we're pretty alrite.

ive found the working class to be the best for interacting with immigrants.

This is actually a pretty good post.

Ireland has significantly lower levels of racially motivated crime in comparison to other countries. Ireland has already seen a large scale integration at school level and even elected officials of non-Irish birth within the first generation of mass immigration into Ireland.

Overall I think this bodes pretty well for us as a nation. There may be a lot of blow hards but while many people might talk a good fight for the most part true racial tensions don't exist in Ireland in the classical sense.

asdasd

I tend to subscribe to the Dublin 4 view that racism is concentrated amongst the lazy good for nothing working classes who have to compete for labour, and there in none amongst the dublin 4 types whose labour is protected. Our capitalist class leads the way on anti-racism, particularly those who hire low skilled labour: most seem predisposed to hiring foreigners!

when will the working class learn to be like their betters?

EamonnKeane

DublinWriter wrote: »

We're the most racist, bile-filled hateful race on the planet.

However, being Irish, we always feel the need to qualify that hatred.

The anti-British could blame 800 years of what-ever you're having yourself, while the Irish neo-racists resent the Chinese for scooping up all those juicy minimum-wage 12-hour shift gigs in Spar that they wouldn't raise themselves off their collective hoop to do themselves.

Those are Indians, can't you tell the difference??
And most racist race? Go to Rwanda, Malaysia, Italy, China, at least 100 more.

Kazuma

Having lived in a few different places, I'd say yes, the irish are slightly more prone to xenophobia and racism than others.
Just my experience.

FX Meister

camel toe wrote: »

to the crazy russian level? definetly not.

i dont know really. just take league of ireland for example, black players in the league are never subjected to any sort of abuse, which cannot be said for leagues of a similar ilk like croatia.

you'd never have irish people at a football match booing a black player like that time spain played england in madrid.

So what about the taunts jason Sherlock used to get because of his heritage?

camel toe

FX Meister wrote: »

So what about the taunts jason Sherlock used to get because of his heritage?

ok so u want me to say yes irish are the most racist people in the whole entire universe. everyone hates immigrants and wants them out.

my parents, sister, dog, friends, uncles, aunts, cousins hate them because i am racist irish.

happy?

djpbarry

camel toe wrote: »

you'd never have irish people at a football match booing a black player like that time spain played england in madrid.

Yeah, incidents like this never happen in Ireland.

camel toe

ok sorry once again as above, im sorry but theres nothing i can do i am just so racist but seriously i dont take someones criticisms of their own country seriously, if u read stuff on internet all countries are the same


also dumbass

When it comes to racist attacks, Ireland falls mid-table in comparison to other European countries but even one racist attack is one attack too many”.

me ''ireland is moderate'.

definition of moderate? medium quantity, extent, or amount.

so yes i said ireland does have moderate racism and of course it exists.

in all countries it does and as was said 'we're middle ground'' not good enough but ok and a good starting point.

camel toe

oh and further

racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

lol. somehow i doubt it tbh.

now perhaps more accurately the term used to describe us backward Irish would be
xenephobia but there is a problem

it is described as the fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign.

hate and fear would be pushing it in most cases, sure you'd get nobody going into the asian restauraunts on Parnell st. or buying take aways from the chinese down the road.

if u want to see xenephobia watch the louis theroux documatary about the dutch in south africa, so no im right and you idiots are wrong. sorry

Dudess

Jesus, do you realise personal abuse is not tolerated on this website at all?

DublinWriter wrote: »

We're the most racist, bile-filled hateful race on the planet.

Huh?? You're taking the piss, right?

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I've never actually had a problem ordering food from a foreigner in a Centra or fast food joint and always felt people were bullsh1tting when they said they had.

I have. I think it's simple - those who cannot speak English or who have a very poor command of it, shouldn't be dealing with the public. It's frustrating for them as well as the customer.


In Ireland there are some racist people - much like any other country. Wow, I can't understand this NEED to pigeonhole people based on nationality - can't you see the irony? That in itself is a form of racial generalising. Some people are racist, irrespective of what country they come from. Oh and a couple of anecdotes about incidents of racist behaviour by Irish people does not mean Ireland is a racist country. I'm sure there are anecdotes about incidents of racist behaviour by Swedish people too - and Sweden is considered a very tolerant country (although it has a considerable skinhead contingent - has Ireland?)

kmick

FX Meister wrote: »

That's not true. I applied for my free car at the same time as a nigerian guy I know who lives in my area. While he didn't get his car for two weeks I had mine in about three days. And they gave me a white mazda 323, 2004 model. He only got a 1991 Toyota Corolla and it was red.

They give people free cars now? Are you taking the piss?

Dudess

I believe (s)he is. And yet, there are regular catcalls of "dem immigints, dey get free cars doncha know!"

latenia

DublinWriter wrote: »

We're the most racist, bile-filled hateful race on the planet.

However, being Irish, we always feel the need to qualify that hatred.

The anti-British could blame 800 years of what-ever you're having yourself, while the Irish neo-racists resent the Chinese for scooping up all those juicy minimum-wage 12-hour shift gigs in Spar that they wouldn't raise themselves off their collective hoop to do themselves.

Out of developed countries, I can confidently say that at least Australia, Britain, Japan, Italy, Spain, Greece and Austria are more racist. Central/Eastern Europe, Asia, and the Middle East are off the scale; Africans still slaughter each other in their millions over race and South Americans are extremely prejudiced against outsiders. So far from being the most racist people on the planet, I'd say we're in or close to the top ten least racist.

dlofnep

micmclo wrote: »

Been there, have you? Competing against thousands of immigrants and thousands of students for summer jobs. In Galway in my case and sure any bar/waiter/kitchen porter job would have done.

I understand at the moment that there isn't enough jobs being produced to go around. But you are not only competing with immigrants, but also - other Irish people. Don't blame the immigrants, blame our government for not producing the jobs. It is their responsibility to lure business. Not the immigrants.

getz

if ireland is not racist -why are irish killing each other in the north ?-and dosent being anti/british -anti/ republic count ?

Caoimhín

getz wrote: »

if ireland is not racist -why are irish killing each other in the north ?-and dosent being anti/british -anti/ republic count ?

Same race.

dlofnep

getz wrote: »

if ireland is not racist -why are irish killing each other in the north ?-and dosent being anti/british -anti/ republic count ?

That has nothing to do with race. It has to do with conflicting political ideologies.

djpbarry

camel toe wrote: »

ok sorry once again as above, im sorry but theres nothing i can do i am just so racist but seriously i dont take someones criticisms of their own country seriously, if u read stuff on internet all countries are the same...

You made a claim, I showed it to be incorrect. Simple as.

dlofnep wrote: »

That has nothing to do with race. It has to do with conflicting political ideologies.

Ah, well that's ok then :rolleyes:.

dlofnep

djpbarry wrote: »

Ah, well that's ok then :rolleyes:.

Who said it was ok? I explained 'why' there was conflict in the North, highlighting that it had nothing to do with racism. Off the high horse please. Thank you.

DAN_H

ah racism...

WindSock

I don't think we are that bad. Then again, I am not of a different race to the majority, so I don't see it or experience it first hand.
Everyone is racist, imo.

djpbarry

dlofnep wrote: »

Who said it was ok? I explained 'why' there was conflict in the North, highlighting that it had nothing to do with racism. Off the high horse please. Thank you.

Ok, ok, ok, fair enough. However, not much difference in hating someone because they hold a different opinion to you (and let's be honest, religion is a factor too) and hating someone because they're a different race. It's all irrational hatred, at the end of the day.

Caoimhín

WindSock wrote: »

Everyone is racist, imo.

I agree. I think that distrust of a different group to ones own is an inherent human tendency. I suppose it comes down to what one considers to be their group.
Im not saying its right, indeed acting on it is wrong imo.

Dudess

getz wrote: »

if ireland is not racist -why are irish killing each other in the north ?-and dosent being anti/british -anti/ republic count ?

There you go: using specific examples to illustrate that Ireland, as a whole, is racist. Nobody's saying there aren't racist people in Ireland, however that does not mean the whole country/society is racist.

asdasd

However, not much difference in hating someone because they hold a different opinion to you (and let's be honest, religion is a factor too) and hating someone because they're a different race. It's all irrational hatred, at the end of the day.

This is a rather moronic view of Northern Ireland. In any case there is clear evidence of systematic "racism" or sectarianism in Norn Iron, and unlike the cant about the Irish being racist because some one heard a skanger say something on the street once, this a a real De Jure racism/sectarism against the Irish in the UK. Reduced now, of course, but clearly historical.

Zombrex

WindSock wrote: »

Everyone is racist, imo.

Everyone has a natural tendency to make stereotypical judgments about people based on the group they belong to and stereotypes about that group.

The difference between that and a racist is a racist considers these judgments as valid, rather than rationalizing that they are just stereotypes. They go with them, take them as an accurate reflection of reality, rather than simply a human instinctive tendency that doesn't necessarily map to reality.

So for example, when a racist mets say a black person, instead of thinking "I have a stereotype of this person in my head, but I actually know nothing about him" the racist thinks "I do know something about this person because I have the stereotype of a 'black man' and this person is a black man therefore the stereotype holds for him"