Best Alcoholic Drink

ziedth

Hey all I in the early enough stages of my weight loss campaign doing good so far. With christmass coming I was wondering about What Booze would be the best bet, I know that none is the Answer but I got couple of big birthdays and xmass do's so just not on the cards to stay that good :D

I Dont drink that often maybe once every 3 weeks been on Coors Light since I started.

Cheers in advance for any help

Keith186

A pint of Guinness is very healthy and good for the gut.

Guinness makes you strong.

JP Liz

Are you male or female?

I'd suggest maybe Coors Light or Bud Light, Vodka and diet 7up or diet coke, gin and slimlime tonic, vodka and slimline tonic, red or white wine

ziedth

Male although my man boobs say otherwise :D

lol, I'd recommend Bud Light. That's what strong men drink.

kevpants

It's Xmas. Chill out and have a normal drink.

Bud Light? Jesus, it's Xmas not Lent.

Buy a nice Belgian beer like Duvel or Leffe and sip it and actually enjoy it rather than chugging back the headache in a can that is light beer.

To make up the difference in calories, why not store your beer upstairs? A trip up and down the stairs will make up for the calorie savings you'd have had drinking that tripe.

Keith186

kevpants wrote: »

To make up the difference in calories, why not store your beer upstairs? A trip up and down the stairs will make up for the calorie savings you'd have had drinking that tripe.

Are you for real?

Hey OP for extra effect just sprint down the offy each time you want a drink.

PS I know you're going to parties so you wont be at home drinking.

Guinness is the answer to your question anyway.

kevpants

Keith186 wrote: »

Hey OP for extra effect just sprint down the offy each time you want a drink.

Hilarious!!!

You got me, you got me good.

Hey everyone Kevpants is an idiot!

It was a joke.

I enjoy Bud Light plus who doesn't want to drink the worlds most popular beer?

rubadub

I am probably the biggest boozer in the fitness forum!, probably clocking up 30+pints a week these days, and still a stable 170lb.

I will put a few previous quotes in I had on the subject, sorry if some repeat themselves. This will be long!, booze is a favourite subject of mine :pac: Some are not just about weight loss but booze in general, one discusses portion sizes in relation to cost, but it applies to calories too.

Straight non-sugared spirits are best, or with a diet mixer or a twist of proper lime juice. Most doctors will say not to drink on an empty stomach. Truth is that you absorb the alcohol way faster so if you are sensible in your drinking you can drink on an empty stomach and get the same level of alcohol in your system with only half the amount of drinks.

Problem comes if you drink your usual 8 pints on an empty stomach.

I use it as an incentive not to eat much on days I am going to be drinking, you eat far less and spend far less in the boozer while taking in far less overall calories if you had been eating.

if you are going to use the WW points for booze then it is best to get the calories from the bottle if available. A normal pint of beer is usually 200kcal, a guinness is around 180kcal and a stronger beer is 220kcal. There will be no fat in most alcohol (expect weird liquers or cocktails with cream). Your calories and hence points come from 3 main sources, the alcohol, the sugar, the proteins. The alcohol is the big one, a 80% unsweetened vodka will have twice the calories as a 40% one. BUT a 8% beer could have less than twice the caloires as a lite beer of 4%. The proteins and other stuff are pretty minimal.

Alcohol is made by fermenting sugars, if you ferment them all out then it is left with no sugar so is not sweet, it is dry. Pilsner beers are usually brewed to completion and strong in alcohol and low in sugar. Lite beers are also brewed to completion but quite low in alcohol. So if you goal is to drink 6 beers no matter what, stick with lites, if you goal is to get to a certain tipsiness, then you might be better with the strong pilsner beers, they often have less calories per
% alcohol. Also being stronger they hit you more so you get drunk faster, even though you could have drank the same units of alcohol.

Also diet mixers have sweetners and studies show these increase absorption rate. So the most low cal/point method to fail a breathalyzer test would be to drink vodka & diet coke on an empty stomach really quick.

The rounding of WW points causes confusion, as Seaner showed.
Using this calculator for pints http://www.sublogic.com/points/uk/
Guinness, say 180kcal is 2.57 rounded to 3
Heineken, say 200kcal is 2.86 rounded to 3
A strong german beer, say 240kcal is 3.43 rounded to 3

Rounding to halves solves some of this obvious problem. But you should really go to 1 or 2 decimals, especially if you are going to be drinking loads. If you KNOW guinness is 180kcal and you are going to drink 8 pints, then multiply it up and put it in the calculator.

Coors light is 4.2% miller draught is 4.7%, there would only be a slight bit more calories/points in the miller, but by rounding 1 and 1.5 you have essentially said there is 50% more points in the miller, which is not true.

For a variety of everyday foods/drinks these rounded points will hopefully balance themselves out, it is when you go drinking 10 bottles or eating 10 portions of an item that it adds up.

If I went for a 2500kcal (~36 points) per day diet but stuff I ate happened to be estimated or rounded in such a way that I ate on average 5% too much, then I can expect to put on about 1 stone (14lb) of fat per year.

I would reckon I drink 50+ points worth of booze per week, so if I went by seaners 1.5 vs 1 point estimates in choosing my beer I could easily get that 5% difference.

Alcohol calories are overestimated for human consumption anyway, but thats a whole other thread!

Just a very general price/bargain issue, but if you are buying longnecks in pubs you are paying way over the odds.

Many just accept the prices without question and never do the math or think about it much. Got a bottle of heineken for a mate (it even drives me mad buying longnecks in rounds!), €5.20 for a bottle, this was around 8pm in a normal pub (the goat), i.e. no niteclub, or late nite pub prices.

€5.20 works out at €8.95 per pint, YES almost nine euro for a pint of run of the mill beer, almost twice the price of a pint of guinness. Last time I got them in tesco they were 83cent a bottle, so over 6 times the price.

A pint of guinness in my local is €4.20, 4.2% 568ml. So that is 23.856ml of pure alcohol. €176 per litre of pure alcohol.

A 200ml coke is €2.80, a vodka €3.85 37.5% 35.5ml, €6.65 in total. So 13.3125ml of pure alcohol. €499.50 per litre of pure alcohol.

2.84 times the price.

Also the cheapest unit per € price is often the apparently more expensive premium foreign beers. You often do really get a full pint in the oversized glass (room for head), and they can be 5-5.5% or more

Had a 5.5% pint of Paulaner, which is in a tall glass with head room so was actually over a pint. That is 568ml (min) @5.5%=31.24. Mate had his heineken 330ml @4.3% =14.19. The paulaner was €5.30, the bottle €5.10! I had over TWICE the alcohol and what most would consider a superior beer

Also there is probably less calories per unit alcohol in the stronger beers. Even though weak beers can be low sugar, you must drink more, so in the long run you get in more sugars.

Low calorie wine, there is no fat in beer or wine or spirits (except maybe some strange liquers or baileys with its cream). I remember my mates looking at the nutritional values on coor lite saying the same thing "look no fat". It is calories you worry about, if you take in more energy than you use up it is converted to fat by the body.

Anyways, the lite beers are simply brewed more so all of the sugars are converted to alcohol. Miller lite was called miller pilsner over here, knowing Irish men wouldnt be seen drinking a "poncy diet beer"! Pilsner beers are bitter because all of the malt sugars are fully fermented, that is why they are generally stronger too. So your lite beers have less malt to begin with, it is brewed completely so it looks and tastes more watery than most, it is usually 4.2-4.3% the same as your standard heineken or carlsberg, but the hein & carls still has unfermented sugars so has more calories. Good vodka should have no added sugar and is simple pure alcohol. Some (usually cheap) vodkas and whiskies and other spirits put in glycerine and sugars to smoothen out the poor spirit they produced.

I would stick with your decent pilsners or change to spirits, I dont like diet drinks so would have a flavoured vodka (no sugar) and soda, or maybe a hint of blackcurrant vodka and soda.

You say you are concerned about health, (good) vodka would be the healthiest drink well mixed with soda water. Quality vodka has no bad cogeners (nasty hangover stuff) or other alcohols in it, skyy is the cleanest vodka I have ever tasted.
Other good ones that cost a little more in off licences, and strangely in pubs they are either the same price as smirnoff or a huge amount more.
stolichnaya (best value for the quality)
absolut (absolut citron is nice too)
wyborowa
finlandia
grey goose (always dear, €45 a bottle in an offy)

If you are drinking to get pissed, drink straight strong vodka as quick as you can on an empty stomach. Of course this is bad for you, but if you want to get to a specific blood alcohol level with the lowest intake of calories possible this is the best way, short of injecting or shorting or inhaling fumes. You process about 1 pint of beer per hour so if you are drinking only 2 per hour it will take you about twice as long to get to a given blood alcohol level as drinking 3 per hour. You are best lashing into spirits and then drinking water and "coasting" on vodka for the rest of the night (i.e. just topping up to keep your blood at its desired alcohol level).

A lot of people I see get it all wrong, drinking pints and then hitting spirits later on. They are very drunk so can palate strong spirits much better as there brain is numbed, so is their memory of how much they have drank, their wallet "loosens". They are lashing down double whiskies with a suggestion of coke in them, and moaning that "theres nothing in them" since their taste is now insensitive to the sensation of alcohol, so they drink more and blackout. When it comes closing time is the worst, people have bellies full of beer still yet to take effect, but start lashing into whisky anyway

Studies show that drinking spirits with diet mixers leads to a higher concentration of alcohol in your blood than drinking the same amount with normal mixers in the same time. This means if you are out to get to a certain level of tipsiness then you only have to drink a small amount of spirits, so you take in fewer calories from the alcohol, and of course less calories with the diet mixer. And saves you money in the boozer.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2006/1646002.htm

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Psychiatry/Addictions/tb/3392

Calories do not all cause the same effect. Some will estimate it takes 3500kcal to add/lose 1lb of fat. That is generally the case with most food. BUT calories are not tested on humans, it is not like they feed somebody 1kg of oats and they put on 1lb of fat, and then they say it is 3500kcal. Calories are a measure of fuel. To calculated them they burn substances in labs and calculate the energy released. I have done this myself in college, you burn 100g of a substance and use it to heat a fixed amount of water, then measure the increase in temperature and determine its energy content. Alcohol & petrol are good fuels, they burn up well and release energy, this does not mean that 3500kcal of petrol or alcohol will be used as well by the human body as it will in a car.

Studies have shown this. 2 groups were put on the same diets but then with additional calories of 500kcal per day, one from alcohol the other from sugar drinks. After the study the sugar drinkers had put on more weight. I mentioned this in a thread an somebody said something like "yeah but sugar will cause insulin spikes etc"- but that only further bolsters the point that all sources of fuel do not have the same effect on humans!

In my 20's I used to drink a lot more, I was overweight, not hugely. I had 2 mates who drank more than me, and did eat around 2000-2500kcal per day. One was about 6'1''or 6'2'' and 66kg, this guy drank 50-60 pints per week on top of that, drinking almost every night on the trot for months at a time. If you do the maths on that he should have been massive, but he wasn't, and many alcoholics are not and would drink more than that.

Of course the drink hinders my training, I have no doubt about that, I would be stronger and fitter without the booze. You could say I train to offset the effects of the drinking. Weights have increased my metabolism so I can get away with doing it, I enjoy it and will not give it up. I eat clean enough most days, I do not go off to the chipper and gorge after a feed of pints, maybe the odd burger if stuck in town, nothing compared to some people I know. The late night takeaway is a killer, check my thread here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055209321 at my worst I would have been having 4 of these a week after a massive feed of drink, 2500kcal+ a pop, and eating chipper food too, I got close to 15stone and then stopped.

Perhaps my system has gotten used to it, some say their training results stop after a while, like their daily cycling commute "doesnt count" towards calorie burning, since they got used to it. Some get put off even starting weight loss since so many will straight off say "you must cut out the drink", and they think "feck that, I love my sauce so there is no point even trying". Well it is possible, and I have no reason to be bull****ting about it.

BossArky

Rubadub, how do you find time to post on here in amongst all those pints?

That's the funniest post I have ever seen. The man is an expert on booze. Genius.

Canis Lupus

My drink is vodka and pepsi max. Can drink a scary amount of that. I hate beer. It bloats me out and makes me feel crap.

Khannie

rubadub wrote: »

probably clocking up 30+pints a week these days

Seriously?

Great post btw. I'm off to get pissed (seriously). :pac:

Keith186

Keith186 wrote: »

Are you for real?

Hey OP for extra effect just sprint down the offy each time you want a drink.

PS I know you're going to parties so you wont be at home drinking.

Guinness is the answer to your question anyway.

For super extra effect, stash your cans 13 miles away in a field and every time you want one you will have to run a marathon to get one

Supercell

I drink wine insted of cider these days
Half the calories and tbh I like it better.

Remmy

I'm partial to jack daniels and coke.I particularly like it when those nice men behind the counter decide to put the coke in last so they can get away with putting less spirit in.ah bless!:mad:

rubadub

BossArky wrote: »

Rubadub, how do you find time to post on here in amongst all those pints?

I use a big straw

Khannie wrote: »

(30 pints) Seriously?

Yep, usually 4 nights. Used to be more when I was bigger. That is the good think about losing weight, takes less booze, so less calories so fat loss sort of snowballs (if a lot of your calories come from alcohol).

I firmly believe most beer bellies are made in the post-pub chipper rather than the pub itself.

Supercell wrote: »

I drink wine insted of cider these days
Half the calories and tbh I like it better.

Really depends on the brand. Bulmers is full of sugars, other strong ciders are fully fermented out, so there is only traces of sugar left. Most ciders will have less calories per 100ml, but you drink less of them, this illustrates my point about coors lite Vs strong pilsner lagers. One might appear lower in calories, but you drink more of it. Cider is a type of wine, it could have less calories per unit alcohol than some sweet wines.

Supercell

True, but I'd drink about 5 litres of cider on a session but rarely more than 1.5 litres of wine so it works out far less calories overall.

Jonny303

on the hole cider thing, i swapped to bulmers light there before the summer.

the ABUSE i took was nearly unbearable, but took it on the chin!

but ive converted people now.

1) lower in calories

2) i believe it tastes better

3) i find it a lot less gasy and leaves you with less burp breadth (which is a terrible downfall of bulmers i find)

BossArky

rubadub wrote: »

I use a big straw

Good going! Your posts make a lot of sense considering half of them are written when you are more than likely hammered

MarcusTheCarcus

Does anyone know what the cheapest alcohol widely available is in milliliters per euro?
I have a hunch it might be Stinehouse Strong Dry Cider @ 6% and 5.30 for four cans, or maybe some cheap wines? As an unemployed seventeen year old, I eagerly await an answer...

Khannie

MarcusTheCarcus wrote: »

Does anyone know what the cheapest alcohol widely available is in milliliters per euro?
I have a hunch it might be Stinehouse Strong Dry Cider @ 6% and 5.30 for four cans, or maybe some cheap wines? As an unemployed seventeen year old, I eagerly await an answer...

If you're unemployed you've nothing better to do than work it out.

brianthebard

MarcusTheCarcus wrote: »

Does anyone know what the cheapest alcohol widely available is in milliliters per euro?
I have a hunch it might be Stinehouse Strong Dry Cider @ 6% and 5.30 for four cans, or maybe some cheap wines? As an unemployed seventeen year old, I eagerly await an answer...

Are you also waiting for your fake id card?

smashey

17 year old looking for alcohol shocker.

Not on here.

Locked.