Tetra will not reach Limerick until 2010

eroo

According to a local paper(Limerick Post), Tetra wont reach the Limerick Garda division until 2010. I know things take a while in this country, but this is a joke. Also in the article, it is highlighted that people in certain crime hotspots are reluctant to call in and report anything in case local criminals who are monitoring the airwaves find out. I suppose Limerick getting it's own Garda heli is out of the question then??:rolleyes:

ScubaDave

Having talked someone in the know about this, (he works for one of the companies supplying tetra), he states that we will be lucky if DMR alone has tetra by the end of 2010, never mind anywhere outside of it!

Eru

They wont even have the new system in places that already have the pilot Tetra nevermind upgrading the old system.

alentejo

The Tetra network for the DMR will be complete by March 09 with the national network due for completion by the end of 2010.

TheNog

What will be delay in implementing Tetra?

deadwood

TheNog wrote: »

What will be delay in implementing Tetra?

People don't recycle enough cans.

Eru

alentejo wrote: »

The Tetra network for the DMR will be complete by March 09 with the national network due for completion by the end of 2010.

I would put money on this not being the case

IRISH RAIL

guys coming off the other thread abou tetra I sent the nog a pm saying when I get a chance ( hopefully in the next day or two) ill show you at least 8 radios that can beat ags tetra. you might as well throw it in the bin
I have 3 friends who regularly listen to the bridewell et al no problems at all. and I listen to luas.
it was broken back in 2005 but cost serious money then. now the good old chienese will do it for feck all. ( you know what I mean)
I also said about ptt its ten times more secure than tetra but still beatable
(members should know that look where c3 gets there transcripts the company dont just sell to governments its only an a1 encryption easy peasy)
the only way the gaurds here will get a truly secure system will be when the government stop the 5 years behind mentality and start asking people who know how to do this. not like the way they do it now where a guy who has been a civil servant gets to pick a tender based on what a sales man says.

You want the best system bluetooth amplified voice comms. completly imprgnable unless youre assigned and then its a case of the operator not the provider cutting you off.

metman

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

I have 3 friends who regularly listen to the bridewell et al no problems at all. and I listen to luas.

The long cold winter nights must just fly in

Eru

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

I have 3 friends who regularly listen to the bridewell et al no problems at all. and I listen to luas.

They arent using Tetra though so whats your point?

IRISH RAIL

A few of the stations around there had tetra on a trial basis not sure if there still using it my perceptions was it was north inner city ie stre st bridewell mountjoy

Eru

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

A few of the stations around there had tetra on a trial basis not sure if there still using it my perceptions was it was north inner city ie stre st bridewell mountjoy

Hang on hang on, either you know the subject your speaking about or you dont. Which is it? have you any genuine evidence that Tetra is broken or is it because you have been listening to standard radio in the belief that it was tetra?

IRISH RAIL

Just carrying on about tetra here is a few facts and links about it

http://www.tetrawatch.net/papers/willtetrawork.pdf

theres a link on this page for an interface that can breech it
http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33198

heres a brief description of a primitive way (one or two pages into it)
http://www.transmission1.co.uk/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1529&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75&sid=51ace43605d71ade22c1b4427f9af63b

and heres one of the best systems for the decode problem
http://www.aspen-electronics.com/files/mac/catchall.pdf

pretty much any radio with triple trunk or dstar or acpo can monitor tetra
the problem starts with the encoding dont forget tetra is getting old (in radio terms anyway)
the way to look at how secure a system is is this
Take how long it spent being developed (prob about 5 years )
then look at how goverment agencys decode it (mi5 nsa mossad )
then look at the chienese they find it break it and sell it for a fraction of the cost. (think about the market for this in uk ireland usa alone is worth billions to them as crims will pay top dollar for it )
moral of the story if you want something secure wisper it in your ear;)

just on a side note ive read theres some cases of officers in england developing tumors cancers etc and linking it to tetra maybe metman could clarify that a bit more i remember reading about it in a paper but being a tabloid im not sure on the credibility.

IRISH RAIL

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Hang on hang on, either you know the subject your speaking about or you dont. Which is it? have you any genuine evidence that Tetra is broken or is it because you have been listening to standard radio in the belief that it was tetra?

now I wouldnt be listing to the gaurds that would be illegal :rolleyes:

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2005/08/13/story625270778.asp

Gavin

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

You want the best system bluetooth amplified voice comms. completly imprgnable unless youre assigned and then its a case of the operator not the provider cutting you off.

Tripe. Total Tripe. Bluetooth E0 encryption has been broken. Certainly, some form of transport layer encryption could be used, but even the pairing algorithms are weak.

IRISH RAIL wrote:

Just carrying on about tetra here is a few facts and links about it

http://www.tetrawatch.net/papers/willtetrawork.pdf

Blatant propaganda with no facts or information about Tetra vulnerabilities

theres a link on this page for an interface that can breech it
http://www.radioreference.com/forums...ad.php?t=33198

There is a link to a TETRA scanner yes. However, to actually DECRYPT the TETRA signal, the scanner needs the correct key. Which one will not have. Somewhat similar to how any network traffic can be observed using a packet sniffer, but only decrypted when the key is available...

heres a brief description of a primitive way (one or two pages into it)
http://www.transmission1.co.uk/index...c1b4427f9af63b

Did you actually read this thread ? It's more tripe. The 'cracker' is a convicted criminal who was done for 'cannabis'

and heres one of the best systems for the decode problem
http://www.aspen-electronics.com/files/mac/catchall.pdf

You seem confused. You posted a link to a radio scanner. Any radio signal can be observed with the right equipment and recorded. That scanner will record a raw TETRA signal. This raw data can then be decrypted providing one has the correct key. Obtaining this key is not trivial !

pretty much any radio with triple trunk or dstar or acpo can monitor tetra
the problem starts with the encoding dont forget tetra is getting old (in radio terms anyway)
the way to look at how secure a system is is this
Take how long it spent being developed (prob about 5 years )

RSA is 30 years old. You calling that insecure ? AES is almost 9 years old. You calling that insecure ? By the way, you do know that encoding and decoding are not the same as encrypting and decrypting?

then look at how goverment agencys decode it (mi5 nsa mossad )

You know the decryption capabilities of these agencies ? I think not.

then look at the chienese they find it break it and sell it for a fraction of the cost. (think about the market for this in uk ireland usa alone is worth billions to them as crims will pay top dollar for it )

moral of the story if you want something secure wisper it in your ear

Actually no. It's generally acknowledged that the most secure system are those which have publicised specifications and are thoroughly examined by crypto experts. Take GSM as an example, using a closed cipher, A5/1 which has subsequently been broken. Digital TV encryption, broken.

just on a side note ive read theres some cases of officers in england developing tumors cancers etc and linking it to tetra maybe metman could clarify that a bit more i remember reading about it in a paper but being a tabloid im not sure on the credibility.

Yes, you do seem concerned about the quality of your sources. You really are talking rubbish. TETRA can be transmitted in the clear and encrypted. It's possible you have listened to in the clear transmission, but you have not listened to and decrypted encrypted TETRA transmissions.

deadwood

The ould ways is the best!

Nog has shares in tetra. He keeps deleting my morse suggestions!


As Biffo would say....... Going Forward!

Eru

Verb seems to have your information well and truly proved worthless. Besides that:

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

(think about the market for this in uk ireland usa alone is worth billions to them as crims will pay top dollar for it )

The US police dont use Tetra and in fact Tetra is rare full stop in the states. Ireland as this thread shows, does not use Tetra either so its only the UK. I really cant imagine that criminals asking you to break Tetra is worth even millions nevermind billions.

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

now I wouldnt be listing to the gaurds that would be illegal

No its not.

Look, your information has been completely wrong, why not simple stop now?

deadwood

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Verb seems to have your information well and truly proved worthless. Besides that:



The US police dont use Tetra and in fact Tetra is rare full stop in the states. Ireland, as this thread shows, does not use Tetra either so its only the UK. I really cant imagine that criminals asking you to break Tetra is worth even millions nevermind billions.
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Commas, full stops, periods. There's a pun here somewhere.

IRISH RAIL

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Verb seems to have your information well and truly proved worthless. Besides that:



The US police dont use Tetra and in fact Tetra is rare full stop in the states. Ireland as this thread shows, does not use Tetra either so its only the UK. I really cant imagine that criminals asking you to break Tetra is worth even millions nevermind billions.



No its not.

Look, your information has been completely wrong, why not simple stop now?

so verb says and doesnt provide links or any evidince and its gospel ?
give me a break

and it is illegal to eavesdrop on goverment freqs

sigh:rolleyes:

Gavin

You posted links. I refuted them. That's the way it works. I am not a radio expert by any means. I am not a crypto expert, but I do have some familiarity with basic number theory and crypto. I know enough to know when someone is talking garbage.

If you post a link to real information, a peer reviewed academic paper from a respected conference or journal, describing how TETRA is broken, I'll read it. Otherwise what you posted is irrelevant, and your posting it demonstrates your lack of understanding of the area.

Eru

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

so verb says and doesnt provide links or any evidince and its gospel ?
give me a break

and it is illegal to eavesdrop on goverment freqs

sigh:rolleyes:

Well its mainly that you have been proven wrong about Luas, the Bridewell and your understanding of where and who uses Tetra. Its basic information that you failed to get wrong.

And as Verb stated, your links were less than credible.

Show me the legislation that states that its illegal to listen to government frequencies please.

IRISH RAIL

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Verb seems to have your information well and truly proved worthless. Besides that:



The US police dont use Tetra and in fact Tetra is rare full stop in the states. Ireland as this thread shows, does not use Tetra either so its only the UK. I really cant imagine that criminals asking you to break Tetra is worth even millions nevermind billions.



No its not.

Look, your information has been completely wrong, why not simple stop now?

the us police DO use tetra if you knew anything about it you would know the E in tetra stands for european (before they changed the meaning to terrestial trunked radio )
Maybe thats why they call it ACPO 25 in the states it just doesnt have encryption by default.
http://www.policemag.com/News/2008/10/13/Raytheon-to-Provide-APCO-P25-Radio-System-for-Idaho-First-Responders.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_25

are those links enough for you or would you like more

oh and one more thing luas tetra is not encryped thats how I listen to it.

secondly sorry if i said bridewell when it should have been fitzgibbon street my mistake

legislation that covers garda communications can be found here
Postal and Telecommunications Services Act, 1983
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1993/en/act/pub/0010/sec0001.html#zza10y1993s1
where the offence is listining to a message without the parties consent
your a gaurd i know you cant learn all legislation off by heart at least do your own research.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/3940501.stm
just one of the many alleged deaths due to tetra
verb is the bbc a good enough source for you ? just in case heres another one with links to scientific reaserch conducted
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/3940501.stm

posted by verb Did you actually read this thread ? It's more tripe. The 'cracker' is a convicted criminal who was done for 'cannabis'

he wasnt ONLY convicted of cannabis but for the sake of argument im willing to hold off until he posts his charge sheet.


quote from verb You know the decryption capabilities of these agencies ? I think not.
mmmm let me have a wild guess here
Ever heard of system called: Echelon ? It is global network created by USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. It not only scans all international communication lines (using 120 satellites, microwave listening stations and an adapted submarine) but also analyses and stores usenet messages. All of this is done transparently and automatically (bits are easy to handle). There is no certainty that how long has this network being active

Gavin

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

oh and one more thing luas tetra is not encryped thats how I listen to it.

So you acknowledge that it's not possible to listen to decrypt TETRA transmissions without the key?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/3940501.stm
just one of the many alleged deaths due to tetra
verb is the bbc a good enough source for you ? just in case heres another one with links to scientific reaserch conducted
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/3940501.stm

This is getting ridiculous. I'm discussing the security aspects of TETRA. At no point did I ever mention the health aspects. I know absolutely nothing about that.

Ever heard of system called: Echelon ? It is global network created by USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. It not only scans all international communication lines (using 120 satellites, microwave listening stations and an adapted submarine) but also analyses and stores usenet messages. All of this is done transparently and automatically (bits are easy to handle). There is no certainty that how long has this network being active

Yes, I'm familiar with Echelon. Again, it's completely irrelevant to what we are discussing, that is, any weaknesses in TETRA. Your attempts to move the goalposts and argue irrelevant points are as I already said, ridiculous.

Eru

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

the us police DO use tetra if you knew anything about it you would know the E in tetra stands for european (before they changed the meaning to terrestial trunked radio )
Maybe thats why they call it ACPO 25 in the states it just doesnt have encryption by default.
http://www.policemag.com/News/2008/10/13/Raytheon-to-Provide-APCO-P25-Radio-System-for-Idaho-First-Responders.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_25

are those links enough for you or would you like more

Im confused, neither of these links shows that Tetra or any digital encypted system in in use by any US police force. The first link talks about plans to put one in Idaho but they dont have it. The second talks about a system put in place to allow agencies speak with eachother but at no point states its used by the police as an actual radio communication system. Anyway, if its not encrypted then what the hells your point? That you can listen to normal non-encrypted transmissions? We know that. I know they dont use it as its common for cops there to use scanners when off duty (why is beyond me but there you go).

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

oh and one more thing luas tetra is not encryped thats how I listen to it.

So how does this prove your going to able to 'break' encypted Garda frequencies when its rolled out?

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

secondly sorry if i said bridewell when it should have been fitzgibbon street my mistake

They dont use Tetra either. Your listening to Gardai using unsecured radios. Thats the point were trying to make to you.

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

legislation that covers garda communications can be found here
Postal and Telecommunications Services Act, 1983
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1993/en/act/pub/0010/sec0001.html#zza10y1993s1
where the offence is listining to a message without the parties consent

Your link is to the 1993 act not the 1983 act. THe 1983 act is solely about An Post and absolutely nothing to do with Gardai. The 1993 act is making an allowance for Gardai and customs to intercept and examine packages including phonecalls (IE tapping). It has nothing that I could see about unsecured radio transmissions or about listening to the Gardai.

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

your a gaurd i know you cant learn all legislation off by heart at least do your own research.

Your the one making the statement that its a crime, onus is on you to prove your statement not me to debunk it.

Now, can you provide any proof that the system being or about to be deployed by An Garda Siochana is not secure? I genuinely want to know if you can as it would make the expensive system a waste of time and send us back to the drawning board.

IRISH RAIL

that consists of the listening or attempted listening to, or the recording or attempted recording, by any means, in the course of its transmission, of a telecommunications message, other than such listening or recording, or such an attempt, where either the person on whose behalf the message is transmitted or the person intended to receive the message has consented to the listening or recording,

and

(ii) that, if done otherwise than in pursuance of a direction under section 110 of the Act of 1983, constitutes an offence under section 98 of that Act

that is the part of the act just because its called the p ant t act has no bearing, the message from control to the squad car is meant for them only they have not given authorisation to any other party to listen in.
if you read the whole thing it covers an awful lot of areas not just post. thats whats meant by the word telecommunication not just telephone but transciever or any device capable of same.



They dont use Tetra either. Your listening to Gardai using unsecured radios. Thats the point were trying to make to you

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2005/08/13/story625270778.asp
did you even read anything on this thread ??


Im confused, neither of these links shows that Tetra or any digital encypted system in in use by any US police force. The first link talks about plans to put one in Idaho but they dont have it. The second talks about a system put in place to allow agencies speak with eachother but at no point states its used by the police as an actual radio communication system. Anyway, if its not encrypted then what the hells your point? That you can listen to normal non-encrypted transmissions? We know that. I know they dont use it as its common for cops there to use scanners when off duty (why is beyond me but there you go).

here you go a better one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Police_Department
been using it since april

So how does this prove your going to able to 'break' encypted Garda frequencies when its rolled out?

eh its nothing to do with it verb was making out I tought luas was encrypted.

Boston

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

You want the best system bluetooth amplified voice comms. completly imprgnable unless youre assigned and then its a case of the operator not the provider cutting you off.

0_o

What are you talking about. Like, I don't want to be seen as jumping on the bandwaggon here, but you're completely off the mark mentioning bluetooth and PMR radio together. bluetooth is a short range, low power, wire replacement technology which is very easy to both block and easedrop on.

You're probably talking about a spread spectrum frequency hoping radio. some of the technolodgy for which is used in the bluetooth standard. All modern military radios incorporate some form of spread spectrum and frequency hoping, even the ones used by the Irish armed forces.

wrt tetra being broken, theres nothing stopping you listening in on a tetra conversation. Understanding the conversation is another question. I've no idea the encryption method used here.

Gavin

Ok, last post from me, this is silly.

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

So how does this prove your going to able to 'break' encypted Garda frequencies when its rolled out?

eh its nothing to do with it verb was making out I tought luas was encrypted.

it was broken back in 2005 but cost serious money then. now the good old chienese will do it for feck all. ( you know what I mean)

You said TETRA was broken. You linked to information that did not show it was broken. When this was pointed out, rather than admit you were wrong, or link to actual information, you posted up about health ramifications and listening to plain text transmissions. Both of which are irrelevant to the discussion of TETRA being 'broken back in 2005'. You've also suggested alternatives which actually have been proven to be insecure and as such inappropriate for use by Gardai.

A general rule I try to follow is to not talk about things I don't know about. I suggest you give it a go.

Boston

Cards on the table, I'm a communications engineer (fully qualified with a IEEE recognised honours degree). I'm not a tetra expert but I will say Verb is speaking a lot of truth while IRISH Rail appears to be reproducing third and forth hand knowledge he only vaguely understands.

paul larry

no point in complaining about anything in this bloody country. great economic times have passed us by and what has an garda siochana gained out of it? a new uniform, which is still at least 20yrs behind (ties and pressed trousers when tackling public order?!) a stab vest (which by the way was 2nd best of those that the mnanagement viewded) an asp baton, too little too late. we are now supposedly in a reccession.......employment hits the floor, therefore crime goes up and by good reason more emphasis should be placed with the gardai. but no, overtime and budgets are massacred. as for tetra?! not til hell freezes over.....by 2010, they'll still be testing it on Gardai who no-one seems to know. Garda managaement needs to undergo a huge revamp, they need to have someone up there who knows what its like for the regular run of the mill cop. its all bloody degree holders and yes men who rule the roost. the ivory towers must be torn down...............

Boston

btw, for to the Gardai who use their mobile for police work, GSM encryption has been cracked and with the right equipment you can get near real time decoding.

Of course, not a lot of use unless you know the numbers being used.

Eru

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

that consists of the listening or attempted listening to, or the recording or attempted recording, by any means, in the course of its transmission, of a telecommunications message, other than such listening or recording, or such an attempt, where either the person on whose behalf the message is transmitted or the person intended to receive the message has consented to the listening or recording,

and

(ii) that, if done otherwise than in pursuance of a direction under section 110 of the Act of 1983, constitutes an offence under section 98 of that Act.

OK, for the slightly slow. Theres hundreds of laws out there that are absolutely nothing, I repeat nothing, to do with An Garda Siochana. This Act is for AN POST and what was then known as TELECOM EIREANN and only AN POST and TELECOM EIREANN. Its putting AN POST and TELECOM EIREANN in the legislation and updating it under company law. Look at the entire act for gods sake. Its allowing GARDAI to use wire taps, thats the only mention of Gardai. The prosecutions allowed relate non payment of such things as correct postage, TV Licenses. Besides, this act is largely redundent considering the markets are now open and the phone company private. Its also there to clarify who works for and is entitled to act for the companies mentioned such as POSTMEN.

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

that is the part of the act just because its called the p ant t act has no bearing, the message from control to the squad car is meant for them only they have not given authorisation to any other party to listen in.

****, I hope I dont get arrested for listening in even though Im not assigned to the car

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

here you go a better one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Police_Department
been using it since april

You do realise that APCO25 is about multi agency communication by digital radio and not encyption dont you? encryption is something different. APCO25 was not released as an encypted system and even now is only becoming genuinely encrypted. The systems are similar but this still says nothing about breaking TETRA. I mean, you can buy APCO scanners, but only to listen to non encrypted signals. Tetra and APCO25 are not the same and cannot work with eachother so this proves nothing.

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

eh its nothing to do with it verb was making out I tought luas was encrypted.

Sorry but your primary statement was that you can 'break' encypted signals. I made a mistake in thinking that Tetra = encryption automatically which is not the case but the Garda system will be encypted so please, prove your point.

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2005/08/13/story625270778.asp
did you even read anything on this thread ??.

That is wrong, this is right: "Gardai in Store Street have been piloting the new digital radio while officers in west Dublin have to make do with the old analogue system, which can easily be hacked into by criminals using radio scanner" (http://www.tribune.ie/archive/article/2008/mar/30/gardai-either-side-of-the-liffey-cant-get-in-touch/)

Trust me, I work there.

As Verb said, this is getting silly. Im not posting anymore about this. Prove your point or drop it.

alentejo

I suspect that the Tetra which is currently used by the Gardai in Dublin is not itself prone to hacking. I suspect that Gardai Control in Harcourt is both broadcasting on both Analogue and Tetra. This would give the appearance that Tetra can be scanned by normal analogue VHF radio.

Eru

alentejo wrote: »

I suspect that the Tetra which is currently used by the Gardai in Dublin is not itself prone to hacking. I suspect that Gardai Control in Harcourt is both broadcasting on both Analogue and Tetra. This would give the appearance that Tetra can be scanned by normal analogue VHF radio.

Most probable, would just be nice if people could admit they made that mistake

deadwood

Maybe this crowd can help!

Eru

deadwood wrote: »

Maybe this crowd can help!

When you see Deadwood has posted you just know its got **** all info about the subject in it :P

deadwood

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

When you see Deadwood has posted you just know its got **** all info about the subject in it :P

Well I just thought the social deviants wouldn't have Long Wave buttons on their bitchin sound systems.

deaglan169

to the best of my knowledge tetra can be hacked with an off air decoder im not sure of the full workings of this system but it requires some serious cash to buy the equipment and a high spec laptop even then i believe the system wont hack unless your on the transmitting site connected to the correct equipment, near impossible, ive monitored tetra signals from northen ireland and it sounds like very harsh static with data running through it, most scanner users etc wouldnt be bothered to invest money in that kind of system, also i believe the luas is using some form of trunked network with an encryption protocal which at times can broadcast the control in the clear but not the luas itself its user selectable, also the psni had the best radio system called masc it required every radio to have a unique id similar to a mac address on a pc and if an unknown id logged onto system such as off duty member taking radio home or some clever person hacking system the radio can be shut down and never re-used on the network with out some serious know how, and onair code changing was possible, so if a scanner logged onto the network it cant be shut off the network but all the legal radios on network would be assigned a new code locking scanner user out of the network.

the locust

An old friend of mine whose ex-ruc told me that in the north in the 80's they had an encrypted radio system they worked off and it was pretty good, state of the art stuff, way ahead of its time.

The provos etc... could scan the frequency and listen in all right but all they got was a bunch of garbled noises and squelches. Sooooo... they recorded some of the communications on tape and went down to Dublin port and met up with corrupt russian kgb heads in the harbour who visited from time to time and gave them some of the tapes - russian heads brought them back to the thier ships and decoded them using thier sophisticated cold war radio equipment, for nice price.

deaglan169

i think that is the only way around tetra off air decoding if you know what your at could be done with very little time delay but expensive and would really need to be justified i believe the gardai are wise enough to use phones for such comms only way around it would be to steal a radio and then give it 24hrs and encryption keys could be changed

deadwood

the locust wrote: »

The provos etc... could scan the frequency and listen in all right but all they got was a bunch of garbled noises and squelches. Sooooo... they recorded some of the communications on tape and went down to Dublin port and met up with corrupt russian kgb heads in the harbour who visited from time to time and gave them some of the tapes - russian heads brought them back to the thier ships and decoded them using thier sophisticated cold war radio equipment, for nice price.

for nice price:D

I bet the Chuckies did some serious damage with those orders for the takeaway!

Eru

deaglan169 wrote: »

also the psni had the best radio system called masc it required every radio to have a unique id similar to a mac address on a pc and if an unknown id logged onto system such as off duty member taking radio home or some clever person hacking system the radio can be shut down and never re-used on the network with out some serious know how, and onair code changing was possible, so if a scanner logged onto the network it cant be shut off the network but all the legal radios on network would be assigned a new code locking scanner user out of the network.

They are well equiped on all fronts anyway. This system is in the MET already I believe and our Tetra system will be personal issue radio with tracking and all the other stuff your speaking about.

The trial Tetra already has these security features but not the personal issue or tracking part. (My locker now has wires sticking out of it like a bad DIY job )

metman

What Karlito says is spot on.

We use 'Airwave' radio, which is a tetra system in the UK. Its a good system that's now been rolled out on the London Underground as well, meaning we now have full subterranean comms, which was an issue during 7/7, though the Transport Police had a limited system in place at the time.

As regards network security, handsets are individually ID'd, so a terminal will be linked to a a serving officer. Unknown users are 'stunned', and this includes stolen handsets, meaning any user not recognised by the system gets booted and the set becomes useless.

As regards network security and hacking.....well I think the fact that some criminals here are offering big money for a functioning airwave terminal speaks volumes about the network's security.

Our handsets also function as mobiles (text messaging etc) and can receive incidents from command and control etc and can be gps enabled.

IRISH RAIL

METMAN have you heard much about the health risks involved ?

metman

IR - well I've been using it for 5 years and its done less damage than the alcohol consumption

Seriously? I heard the usual stuff when the system was being rolled out, but its not something I really worry about to be honest. Day to day I'm more worried about getting stabbed/shot/killed by writers cramp, than dying of cancer thanks to my radio....:D

deadwood

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

METMAN have you heard much about the health risks involved ?

Believe me, Irish Rail, i've used the the aerials on our current radios to check under doors, go through rubbish, check dirty nappies etc...
The amount of times I see members sticking radio aerials into their gobs, we're immune to anything!

alentejo

I am led to believe that Tetra (Ireland) will be compatible with the Barracuda System used by the emergency services in the North!

TheNog

alentejo wrote: »

I am led to believe that Tetra (Ireland) will be compatible with the Barracuda System used by the emergency services in the North!

Yeah thats the plan. Will help cross border operations especially with the border counties seeing alot of cars taking off and heading for the border.

FGR

metman wrote: »

What Karlito says is spot on.

Unknown users are 'stunned', and this includes stolen handsets, meaning any user not recognised by the system gets booted and the set becomes useless.

With the prediction that many members are going to be curious about their home district's activities I'll put 5 euros on a couple of dozen radios being stunned as soon as they're issued!

TheNog

ForegoneReality wrote: »

With the prediction that many members are going to be curious about their home district's activities I'll put 5 euros on a couple of dozen radios being stunned as soon as they're issued!

I'll bet €20. Haha easy money

metman

ForegoneReality wrote: »

With the prediction that many members are going to be curious about their home district's activities I'll put 5 euros on a couple of dozen radios being stunned as soon as they're issued!

Once you've been allocated a radio and its assigned to you, it won't matter if you tune into your local channel or anywhere else. I've listened to other boroughs and even forces radio traffic and the system caters for this.

dfbemt

Did somebody mention Limerick ?!?