pit bull in pound 5 days up and rescue space offered will he be released??

Lilly/DNB

I’ve been in touch with this pound today at 2.15 this dog was still alive, I asked to speak to the pound manager I was told no he's not here, i dealt with some very impolite lady I told her there was a rescue space offered for the tan and white male pit bull due to be put to sleep today and was told that pit bulls don't get out of here even to a rescue :eek: I asked why?? She said they are a restricted breed and the pound manager doesn't let them out. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing so I reminded them of the control of dogs act that states very clearly 10 breeds that are on a restricted breeds list but nowhere in it did it say or could I find any information in legislation saying that a dog should be put to sleep on the bases of its breed, I was told there was nothing she could do at all and she would pass the message on. I still haggled to try and get information as to why this was happening but I was just hung up on.
I rang again and got true after about 30 minutes and got true to the same lady i was told she had passed the message on and the pound manager would ring me in his own time, i said so he is there she said yes i asked could i speak to him she said no i reminded her that if this dog was put to sleep it wouldn't be the end of it and again i was hung up on. Can any1 tell me if this is normal or is it just me that thinks this is so not Wright and something should be done about it?????
im still waiting on his phone call and hope he rings me before this dog is killed because it just so happened to be a "pit bull" OR NOT!!!

cowzerp

This is a disgrace and something must be done about it, that manager better get his act together.

Im sure i know what pound your talking about and its a disgrace, this fella should not be allowed to work with animals as he does not have a clue.

Lilly/DNB

I think everybody has heard about this pound and i cant believe a blind eye has being turned to it all this time, this is my first time dealing with this pound and if these are the people running it that i spoke to well god love them poor dogs. if this dog is put to sleep today or tomorrow how is this something i can sit back a just ignore i couldn't and to make things worse the way things are handled if there was nothing to hide why wouldn't anyone want to speak to me its out of control and something needs to be done about it but we all need to stand up and be counted poor dogs haven't a chance in these places
im willing to stand up anyway..

cowzerp

i love staffies and last time i was there, there was a girl who asked me would i be able to foster them as they are always put down, i would only for i have 2 dogs already and no room-there put down all the time there that much i do know. Rotties seem to be put down there very regular too.

Can anything legal be done about this?

i dont know what you could do, they need to answer to the public what there policies are..

Spica

considering that the pound provides a public service and they are using tax payers money to run it...yes, they should clearly state their rehoming policies - and I mean the rehoming policies must be approved by the council and made public so that everyone can access it.
If this pound is the one I know...then I am not surprised of their response. The only law they seem to know is bad manners and intimidation.
We pay for the pound services and we should receive a better standard of customer service when contacting them.
I wonder if a public petition to the council could be an idea to have their rehoming policies made public?

Lilly/DNB

just told this poor boy has been put to sleep for no good reason even though there was a rescue space for him,

cowzerp

That pound has to answer for this, its a disgrace and the people running it are too.
im sure a lot of educated people would speak up for the staffies.
could this be put on 1 of them talk shows, joe duffy or something?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Lilly/DNB wrote: »

just told this poor boy has been put to sleep for no good reason even though there was a rescue space for him,

Lilly we I suspect we all know which pound, was the dogs details posted online, if so can you post the URL please?.

Also Lilly, is there any discussion of this on DiD or any of the other sites supporting the pounds?.

Lilly/DNB

yes its the pound we all know about this dogs details didnt even make it online, pit bills or even dogs that resemble pit bulls will not get out ill be going public about this and any help would be very much appreciated

Lilly/DNB

Mairt wrote: »

Also Lilly, is there any discussion of this on DiD or any of the other sites supporting the pounds?.

not that i know of most people wont get involved for some reason

cowzerp

Lilly/DNB wrote: »

yes its the pound we all know about this dogs details didnt even make it online, pit bills or even dogs that resemble pit bulls will not get out ill be going public about this and any help would be very much appreciated

I'll be as vocal as i can be..and get people to support you too..

daviddwyer

This is outragous... where is this pound.

Lilly/DNB

daviddwyer wrote: »

This is outragous... where is this pound.

im not sure i can say, i received a picture of this poor fella and i was asked to help i rang Sarah from egar shesaid she would have a space for him no problem but still they wouldn't let him out and i just cant understand why? if he was anyway dangerous i would say yes put this dog asleep but from what i heard he was so friendly with people and other dogs what a great pet he would have made only for he was a pit bull that's just so sad i cant even eat i feel that sick over it all..:mad:

Lilly/DNB

cowzerp wrote: »

I'll be as vocal as i can be..and get people to support you too..

thanks a mil thats what we need

arybvtcw0eolkf

Well like I said in the last discussion on this particular establishment, I've withdrawn all support (including financial) to them and I'd advise others who care to do like wise.

And while I'm aware that other dogs (breeds) suffer I'm also aware that to make an omelette you've to crack an egg.

This really angers me, and makes the people enforcing this no better than the scumbags using Pitbull & Staffs in fighting pitts.

Thanks for your continued work Lilly.

Spica

what about lodging a complaint with the Office of the Ombudsman (http://ombudsman.gov.ie/en/)? At the end the council is the final responsible for what happens in the pound and as far as I know the council in question has always failed to address any issue related to this pound - despite lots of complaints against it. Maybe it's time for them to give the public some answers.

EGAR

The rescue who offered a space for him was me. It is the fourth time this has happened. The pound manager stated to me that the CC has ordered him to do so yet the CC denies all knowledge of it when approached by me and stated that it is *at his disgretion*. So who is lying?

I could tell you MANY horror stories about this particular pound. No other pound give me as much hassle when it comes to Bull Breeds. Other pound manager actually ring me if they think they have an APBT and ask me to take it.

cowzerp

EGAR wrote: »

The rescue who offered a space for him was me. It is the fourth time this has happened. The pound manager stated to me that the CC has ordered him to do so yet the CC denies all knowledge of it when approached by me and stated that it is *at his disgretion*. So who is lying?

I could tell you MANY horror stories about this particular pound. No other pound give me as much hassle when it comes to Bull Breeds. Other pound manager actually ring me if they think they have an APBT and ask me to take it.

Its a sad state of affairs when the person running this pound is allowed to get away with culling any pit bulls that are unfortunate to end up there, the worst thing is i,ve seen lots of them in there and there typical pit bulls, real cute and friendly..

How can we get justice for this dog?

this fella has to be removed from his role in the pound, on a cruelty basis surely..

EGAR

I have taken many old, sick and difficult dogs from Ashton. I have taken many many restricted breeds from pounds. I've never had as much trouble with pounds as I have with Ashton over Bull Breeds.

A member of staff told me (when I enquired about cute little notes on the kennels of Bull Breeds sayd *I have a home*) that those notes were put up to avoid having to rehome these dogs to the general public. As a matter of fact these dogs were MARKED for DEATH.

Or what about the Staffie bitch and her two pups I was asked to take? Having arranged a foster home for all THREE, the transporter arrived at the pound and was asked to chose between the mother and the pups. The transporter knew that whatever she chose the other would go down. I could not be reached by phone that morning and the transporter made the heartbreaking decision to take the two pups. The bitch was then pts'd. I was livid and I wanted it out in the open but NO, I was asked to keep it quiet *for the sake of *name of rescue* and the dogs*. And I did, despite that fact that I cried my eyes out that night. I am now regretting that I did.

I will be lodging a formal complaint with the Dublin CC.

Maggie.23

I find that very disturbing. The "I have a home" notes suggest that the pound management know they have no right to deny homes to these dogs, otherwise why would they lie? Forcing the transporter to choose between the mother and her two pups, all Staffies, all offered homes, makes absolutely no sense, unless it's the power that they enjoy. It's an outrage.

The Sweeper

Guys, that is absolutely disgraceful, but I personally would counsel that you do NOT go to the 'general public' and say this pound puts down APBTs without trying to rehome them.

I believe the current climate in Ireland is one of ignorance and fear against bull breed terriers, and until THAT changes, any publicisation of the fact that this pound puts them to sleep may result in SUPPORT for the pound, not criticism.

Better to circulate the news around informed animal lovers and rescue organisations so that the pound comes under pressure from those in the know and in the related fields of animal health care.

I could so easily imagine the pound manager on Joe Duffy going 'These dogs can't be trusted, how could I in good conscience rehome one of these animals to a family with children' and then he might support that by citing his own lengthy experience with dogs etc. etc. - I could see it do more harm than good. :-(

EGAR

That would be easy to disrepute since he can't tell an x from a purebred much less a Staffie x from an APBT. I have taken dogs in from Ashton whose breed description made me cringe...

kazza23

Don't even talk to me about that hellhole. The reality is, very few actual pitbulls end up in Ashton. The wardens continually mis-identify the dogs and sentence them to death. Bizarrely, one of my dogs is a pitbull that came from Ashton, but only because they thought she was a staffy. It makes me sick to the core that she could have met the same fate as all the others that have gone down in that place. But I look at her each day and know that having her, an ambassador for her breed, having escaped from Ashton, is a real "upyours" to the manager (along with the gorgeous akita that escaped from the wardens and ended up straying in my street, of all places. Took her in and got her a fabulous home, after contacting her owners and having them surrender her to me obviously - wasn't gonna give them the opportunity to fine me, when we know they have personal grudges against people and use their inflated sense of power to try to get to them).

Then of course you look at his published figures at the end of each year with the ridiculously high rehoming rates, that blatantly don't include the number of innocent "pitbulls" that are slaughtered there each year.

The council don't want to know. I'm sick of ringing them about it and them saying that "it's contracted out, we don't control it". Everyone passes the buck. However, I also have been told the "it's at the discretion of the pound manager" by the council, and told by the manager "It's council policy".

It's time to stand up and face these people head on. Let's go public - protests/demonstrations, journalists, Joe Duffy, whatever it takes. You have my full backing.

Beth

While I agree that it is a disgrace they single out restricted breeds, and it is a disgrace for this particular case especially as there was somewhere for it to go, I think Minesajackdaniels makes some very valid points. With the reputation that the restricted breeds list carries, the general public may not support the objection, but support the pound.

daviddwyer

I hope that pound manager can sleep tonight!! Its distusting, it really is.... these people are on a power trip and unfortunately any protesting will do nothing but inflate their egos. Its sickening... RIP dear pitbull.... this world was just too cruel fo you!!

Lilly/DNB

Minesajackdaniels wrote: »

Guys, that is absolutely disgraceful, but I personally would counsel that you do NOT go to the 'general public' and say this pound puts down APBTs without trying to rehome them.

I believe the current climate in Ireland is one of ignorance and fear against bull breed terriers, and until THAT changes, any publicisation of the fact that this pound puts them to sleep may result in SUPPORT for the pound, not criticism.

Better to circulate the news around informed animal lovers and rescue organisations so that the pound comes under pressure from those in the know and in the related fields of animal health care.

I could so easily imagine the pound manager on Joe Duffy going 'These dogs can't be trusted, how could I in good conscience rehome one of these animals to a family with children' and then he might support that by citing his own lengthy experience with dogs etc. etc. - I could see it do more harm than good. :-(

I understand what you are saying but nobody will stand up for these dogs this is not the first time this has happened and it wont be the last, the bottom line is and still taking into consideration the fear the public have of this breed i believe now is the time to stand up, there is no logic proof to back up the statement that any breed is more dangerous than the other and having owning apbt for the last 21 years like so many other responsible owners i can prove my dogs are not dangerous, i would like to ask the pound manager and DCC to explain their meaning of a dangerous dog is it by appearance or is it just a word connected to a cretin breed? i thought a dangerous dog is a dog that is out of control wanting to bite people and so on not a dog that licks your face and just wants its belly rubbed, regardless of the fear the public have of this breed this pound has not got the power to be putting these dogs down on the bases of breed it is not covered under the legislation, there is nothing in the control of dogs act 1986 or the amendment act 1992 that any dog should be killed because they are a certon breed, this alone is exceeding the power giving to them in this pound and they need to be reminded of this and if its not said now it never will because nobody will stand up and be counted, I for one wont be letting this go ill go to the end of the eirth to get to the bottom of this;)

Lilly/DNB

daviddwyer wrote: »

I hope that pound manager can sleep tonight!! Its distusting, it really is.... these people are on a power trip and unfortunately any protesting will do nothing but inflate their egos. Its sickening... RIP dear pitbull.... this world was just too cruel fo you!!

im sure he sleeps very well a lot better than me and you david

arybvtcw0eolkf

I wonder, has anyone (more articulate than me) been in touch with the ISPCA or DSPCA in relation to this pound managers policy on killing Pitbulls and Staffs?.

In relation to Joe Duffy, I also think that would be a waste of time due to the breed of dogs we're talking about.

Now if it was Beadles in a lab somewhere that'll be a different story of course.

Vel

Firstly, ringing the Council won't get you anywhere. You need to compile your facts and write to John Tierney, the City Manager and you need to keep writing and become a complete pain in the arse. Then I would suggest you contact every single City Councillor and write to them too and keep writing and become a pain in the arse. Then you need to keep copies of every bit of correspondence you send to the Council and if you do not get satisfactory response in an adequate time period you need to make a complaint to the Office of the Ombudsman. The Office of the Ombudsman will not rule on the issue at hand, i.e putting down the bull breeds but they will ask questions of the Council as to why they have not provided a response to your concerns.

Finally, I would suggest you make a Freedom of Information request in realtion to files held by the Council regarding Ashton and also on files held by Ashton. You would need to decide what specific information you are looking for as it can be a costly business. I have recently made an FOI request in relation to something (not this isuse and not with the Council) and I have been informed that it has put a rocket up the ass of the Department involved and they intend to investigate some of the matters I raised. An FOI request wouldn't be to get opinions but rather hard fact and copies of documents held by the Council and Ashton.

I think at this stage a demonstration and media coverage is a little bit premature. You need to compile facts and figures and you need to get some kind of written official response from the Council and then maybe go public. I know all of this takes time and more dogs will die but in my opinion all of the above is necessary.

EGAR

I fully agree with Vel, although the subject is a highly emotional one we need to have our ducks in a row. Demonstrations etc usually barely raise an eyebrow with the public. We need to get to the core of the problem by going through official channels. I for one am a great believers in accumulation of paperwork and subtle pressure.

arybvtcw0eolkf

One caustioning word about protests, and I posted about this before. Plus I've emailed Lilly in regards to it.

After a recent protest at DCC offices here in Dublin a couple of us got prompt home visits by the warden (guess who!) and the Gardai to check on licences etc.

So just be sure everything is above board, always!.

GilGrissom

Hypotechical situation.

If there is a Pit Bull in the pound, what is there to stop a rescue worker from running down to the post office and purchasing a licence in respect of a pit bull of whatever color and sex and then returning to the pound with said licence and then claim to be the owner?

Would the pound have to legally give the dog to the licence holder claiming to be the owner?

Dogs & Cats

I have been reading the threads re the unwritten policy on supposedly dangerous breeds.

I live in the South of the country and our supposedly "annimal home" rehomes very few dogs or cats. My daughter worked there on work experience once and she told me that all the animals were put down. now though at least it is by injection and not by electrocution.

All animal lovers in the city I live in know the situation though and they do not get our support, but the City Council still use this facility, even though they know that there are alternatives. This keeps the facility open.

The facility has moved premisis so hopefully things may get better.

Beth

GilGrissom wrote: »

Hypotechical situation.

If there is a Pit Bull in the pound, what is there to stop a rescue worker from running down to the post office and purchasing a licence in respect of a pit bull of whatever color and sex and then returning to the pound with said licence and then claim to be the owner?

Would the pound have to legally give the dog to the licence holder claiming to be the owner?

Wouldn't the date on the dog license give it away?

Dogs & Cats

Yes it would but a some people only get the dog licence to get the dog out of the Pound

Our man in Havana

Would it work?

Beth

Dogs & Cats wrote: »

Yes it would but a some people only get the dog licence to get the dog out of the Pound

Actually yeah you're right Or if they don't have a license its included in the cost of the fine for strays isnt it?

Could it be considered a case of fraud then though?

If not, a license (licence?) could be gotten every so often for different breeds/colours/crosses so there's a pre-prepared one for a dog that comes in and then used to get the dog out of the pound regardless of the date on the license...

SMERSH

You would want to make sure the licences are in the names of private persons and not in the names of rescues.

Could it be considered a case of fraud then though?

It would be all in a good cause. We all know no one is going to claim these poor dogs. I can't see what harm it would do.

Beth

Yeah, I know it would be a good cause SMERSH - but it would also increase costs. The people themselves would also have to decide if it is worth the risk.

SMERSH wrote:

I can't see what harm it would do

Besides the legalities...
If the pound found out what was being done (if it was being done) there's the possibility they might not want to work with the rescues involved any longer, which definitely wouldn't be a good thing then.

If there's a dog licence in existance for the dog, wouldn't that bring a fine which is dearer than the release fee... which can add up then. Release fees might be mangeable. Fine + licence = steeper.

Two licences would cost the same as a release fee for a dog in one particular place.

My post probably reads like I'm not a fan of the idea. I would love to see the sort of thing in this thread being stamped out. No dog deserves to be singled out because of their breed. But I'm also trying to consider all thought processes and think of the whole picture for future dogs and the rescues involved.

The idea is there, and if it is do-able, great. But there's a lot of weighing up to do for those involved as well.

As a short term solution it might work, but Vel posted some great idea's/info for what could lead to a longer term solution for the dogs being singled out.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Dogs & Cats wrote: »

she told me that all the animals were put down. now though at least it is by injection and not by electrocution.

This one sent a chill through me.

I'd have thought all animals were PTS with an injection these days, is there any pounds electrocuting animals?.

EGAR

I certainly would not commit fraud or incite someone else to do it for me. As sad as the state of affairs is with this particular pound, everything must be above board and legal. Rescues have alot to lose (loose?) in regards of their reputation and the handling of dogs. I got into hot water once by taking in a *stray* dog from a member of public only to be accused of theft two weeks later. Luckily, a surrender form was signed when the dog was given to me. Hence my sticking to a paper trail for every single dog.

ISDW

Unfortunately though, it is not only this particular pound that has this policy. I visited Longford pound towards the end of last year, and there was a gorgeous Rottie cross boy in there. His time was just about up, and I asked about him (I wasn't there to rehome a dog, I was there for another reason) and I was told I couldn't have him, he was on the restricted list, so he wouldn't be rehomed.:mad: There are other pounds around the country with the same policy. The public do need to be educated about these breeds so that they realise that each dog should be judged individually, and not on their breed, but until that happens, I can't see this nonsense stopping.

I'm sorry guys, I'm just relieved that the breeds of dogs that I love and help aren't on that stupid list.

Lilly/DNB

I'm sorry guys, I'm just relieved that the breeds of dogs that I love and help aren't on that stupid list.



yes you are lucky but at the end of the day its these breeds today and your breed tomorrow if something is not done, that's the problem people think their safe because their dog is not on this list we have 10 breeds and don't forget crosses of those breeds also on this list and lots of room for another 10 when they fall into the hands of scum we all need to stand together and fight (BSL) regardless of what breed we own because it will affect every1 in time to come

B'witched

Lilly/DNB wrote: »

I'm sorry guys, I'm just relieved that the breeds of dogs that I love and help aren't on that stupid list.



yes you are lucky but at the end of the day its these breeds today and your breed tomorrow if something is not done, that's the problem people think their safe because their dog is not on this list we have 10 breeds and don't forget crosses of those breeds also on this list and lots of room for another 10 when they fall into the hands of scum we all need to stand together and fight (BSL) regardless of what breed we own because it will affect every1 in time to come

With you 100% on that Lilly,;) the more popular a breed become the more chance of the idiots :mad: taking a fancy to them and before you know it another breed is added to the list, especially a big, impressive looking dog.
All the time that people are sitting back and letting this BSL take a stronger hold, the more chance that another breed and then another, will join the list.

There are some people in authority who believe that the Belgium Shepherd is a type of German Shepherd and therefore is a restricted breed :eek::eek::eek: How long before the other breeds that have ears that stand up erect are classed as the same type???????:mad:

EGAR

Italy has almost a hundred breeds on the restricted breed list, amongs them Corgis and Border Collies. In Germany who has a tough BSL NOT ONE German breed is on the banned list despite the GSD and its xbreeds being leading in deadly incidents BY FAR.

It's politicians who make these laws, not the ones who actually have and KNOW these dogs.

ISDW, my local DW has given given me a litter of GSDs 3 years ago as he couldn't *safely rehome* them to the general public, only they were Huskies . Had I not taken them then they would now be six foot under now.

ISDW

Lilly/DNB wrote: »

I'm sorry guys, I'm just relieved that the breeds of dogs that I love and help aren't on that stupid list.



yes you are lucky but at the end of the day its these breeds today and your breed tomorrow if something is not done, that's the problem people think their safe because their dog is not on this list we have 10 breeds and don't forget crosses of those breeds also on this list and lots of room for another 10 when they fall into the hands of scum we all need to stand together and fight (BSL) regardless of what breed we own because it will affect every1 in time to come

Lily, I have never said that I don't fight BSL. I don't think I'm safe at all, I have had two rottie crosses myself, and I have fostered dogs on the list for other rescues. I'm sorry, I thought my post was supportive, as I had offered to take a dog out of a pound because he was due to be pts because of his breed, obviously it didn't come across that way.

Lilly/DNB

ISDW wrote: »

Lily, I have never said that I don't fight BSL. I don't think I'm safe at all, I have had two rottie crosses myself, and I have fostered dogs on the list for other rescues. I'm sorry, I thought my post was supportive, as I had offered to take a dog out of a pound because he was due to be pts because of his breed, obviously it didn't come across that way.

no no i didn't mean any harm i was just saying that it is possible for any breed at this stage to be put on a dangerous dogs list i was directing this at a sentence you said I'm sorry guys, I'm just relieved that the breeds of dogs that I love and help aren't on that stupid list. i was just saying how today its these breeds we don’t know what tomorrow will bring and regardless of what ever breed we have we should all be standing together that’s all i hope i didn’t offend you i never ment to come across like that

glic83

i cant blieve that place is getting away with that,we got a staff last year cos she wasnt being looked after properly as in being walked and played was more or less being left out in the back so we took her and couldnt be happier shes not full staff bout 90% the vet said but wasnt sure what the other breed was since we have had,we had her nutered and she had a problem with her leg she was limping so that turned into an operation that cost me the bones of a grand but she is our baby so we look after her like part of the family cos to us she is,its sickening to see these dogs pit bull/staffies sestroyed they are beautiful dogs and in my experience fantasic around kids and other dogs

arybvtcw0eolkf

glic83 wrote: »

i cant blieve that place is getting away with that,we got a staff last year cos she wasnt being looked after properly as in being walked and played was more or less being left out in the back so we took her and couldnt be happier shes not full staff bout 90% the vet said but wasnt sure what the other breed was since we have had,we had her nutered and she had a problem with her leg she was limping so that turned into an operation that cost me the bones of a grand but she is our baby so we look after her like part of the family cos to us she is,its sickening to see these dogs pit bull/staffies sestroyed they are beautiful dogs and in my experience fantasic around kids and other dogs

I think thats an experience all of us who own bull breeds share.

They're fantastically gentle dogs and fail to live up to the media hype.

KhuntChops

Just wondering.... With regards to the restricted breed list and the pound. If I was to come across any breed on the list in a pound and want to rehome it can I be refused giving the dog a home on the grounds that its on this list??

glic83

you shouldnt be but judging from the start of this thread that seems to be the case in the pound that everyone is on about,by right you should be able to rehome the pet