The Internal/Eternal Megadeth Vs. Metallica War

Motley Crue

So I was wondering if anyone has a side. Studio wise, I would have to say that while Metallica's first 4 albums really trample on anything Megadeth have produced, their recent output has suffered considerably when compared to the likes of System Has Failed.

Megadeth have never had the stability that Metallica have had, but even with that, Mustaine has managed to produce records that constantly perform and do what it says on the tin.

Since 1999 Metallica have seemed to try and recapture their glory days, and failed, because they cannot seem to realise that that glory only came from them being 20 somethings who didn't really try and impress and couldnt give two ****s what the music press taught of them.

Live, Metallica still hold a strong card, and Mustaine is always reliable live, even if his ensemble sometimes lets him down. Currently, he has a great drummer, and long may Shawn Drover remain in the ranks of Megadeth. Personally though I think Mustaine will never compete with the energy of a live Metallica show - least of all because he will prob never get the chance to play to the same number of crowds on a headlining tour.

apoch632

While I would agree that they are a little bit better I would hardly say that the first 4 trample on Peace Sells and Rust in Peace. The Metallica albums probably just edge them but those two are still two of the most definitive metal albums ever made.

The core of megadeth was always Ellefson and Mustaine. Ellefson was there from 1984-2002. Marty was in there a long time as well. It is only in recent years it has gone back like the early days with many guitarists.

No mustaine doesnt draw the crowds that Metallica does. But what other metal band besides Maiden can draw a crowd that size.

Just one thing more. **** this "war". Its really something that has been done to death. Each band in their own way has made a significant contribution to the metal scene. Its okay to like both bands

zenmonk

Neither has produced anything of note since the early 90s except an odd song here and there.
2 redundant bands nowadays.
Saw both bands live in their prime and thought Megadeth were better live. Less frills , less solos and **** on stage - metal as it should be.
Today for me no-one wins this war just 2 losers both as bad as the next.
Megadeth are rehashing the same thing for years now- Metallica have started rehashing And Justice for all because they failed miserably at changing direction and becoming a "Rock" band.
Look at any Metallica set list in the past 10 years -mostly old stuff from the 80s.
Nothing wrong with them rehashing stuff but anyone that tells me their recent albums are relevant or good is deluding themselves and there are plenty of people here who will - check out the "Death Magnetic" thread where anyone that questioned Metallica were rounded on.

Malice

I never really saw it as a war. I liked both bands as a young lad and I still do. Even if both are a bit beyond their prime, they still have quite an impressive back catalogue to listen to.

Deliverance XXV

^^ Exactly.

I like both bands so I win.

ZakAttak

Metallica were the better band, but Mustaine was the better musician/artist; shame he was such an awful cvnt.

nyarlothothep

Prefer Metallica by a long shot, they had that magic ingredient which made their songs stand out.

ShawnRaven

ZakAttak wrote: »

Metallica were the better band, but Mustaine was the better musician/artist; shame he was such an awful cvnt.

What he said. To be fair, Megadeth were pretty much Mustaine/Ellefson and a revolving door of musicians until Ellefson (not sure if it's spelt correctly here, excuse me), finished up after the original splut. Now it's just Mustaine and a revolving door of musicians. Musically I think Metallica have aged less gracefully whereas Megadeth's actually got better during the mid 90s, it just never reached the commercial success that Metallica achieved.

But it's Metal, so therefore commercial success doesn't mean jack sh*t!

RoosterIllusion

I like both bands, though more so Metallica. I think Megadeath still sound like Guns N' Roses did in the late 80's. Thats a good thing if I want to keep listening to the same stuff but I don't know that many bands I listen to that haven't innovated somewhat. I think that the problem with Megadeth is Mustaine. He is an amateurish, childish person (based on what I have seen and read) and I think that detracts from his persona and what I think of him.

I don't have much respect for Metallica either (the individual members, except Trujillo for Degredation Trip with Jerry Cantrell) but Metallica don't need a personality, they are the best metal band of all time and at the end of the day they are brilliant song writers and musicians.

Motley Crue wrote: »

Since 1999 Metallica have seemed to try and recapture their glory days, and failed,

1) You clearly have neglected listening to Death Magnetic. There are songs from that album that are more early Metallica (Kill 'Em All era) than any of the rest of their albums. 'My Apocalypse' and 'That Was Just Your Life' being typical examples.

Motley Crue wrote: »

because they cannot seem to realise that that glory only came from them being 20 somethings who didn't really try and impress and couldnt give two ****s what the music press taught of them.

2) Seeing as their most successful album sold 22 million copies while they were past their 20's and when they were at their most commercial I don't think you are anywhere near correct. Talking nickels and dimes here; they made far more money and were far more commercially successful in their 30's than they were in their 20's...

If you prefer their 80's stuff and don't like their later stuff then that's understandable and I would feel similarly myself, but what you are saying is not correct.

ShawnRaven

Am i the only one still left feeling somewhat empty after listening to Death Magnetic? It hasn't done a lot for me at all.

Patricide

Mods can we please ban this topic, seriously its been done maybe 20 times in the last 12 months and it always turns out ugly. Both bands are great, both bands are different, get over it. And even if your a die hard megadeth fan who thinks there better(like me) it doesnt make a difference cause metallica are and always will be more "popular" therefore in any discussion forum its gonna lean towards them.

A Primal Nut

Patricide wrote: »

Mods can we please ban this topic, seriously its been done maybe 20 times in the last 12 months and it always turns out ugly. Both bands are great, both bands are different, get over it. And even if your a die hard megadeth fan who thinks there better(like me) it doesnt make a difference cause metallica are and always will be more "popular" therefore in any discussion forum its gonna lean towards them.

WHAT!!!!! BUT METALLICA RIPPED ALL THEIR SONGS OF MUSTAINE!!! EVERY SINGLE NOTE, RIFF AND MELODY!!!ZOMG!!! WHY WONT PEOPLE REALISE? WHY HASN'T THIS BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE!!!! OMG!!METALLICA SUCKZ LOLZZZZZZZZ!!!!

DenMan

Well I one was very happy to hear that Kerry King and Dave Mustaine are talking again after so many years. Read his interview recently and it was music to my ears. Metallica became a super band and while Megadeth didn't achieve the heights of Metallica they are an awesome band imo. Megadeth are back in the big time now. Cannot fu**in wait for the tour with Priest and Testament.

ShawnRaven

DenMan wrote: »

Well I one was very happy to hear that Kerry King and Dave Mustaine are talking again after so many years. Read his interview recently and it was music to my ears. Metallica became a super band and while Megadeth didn't achieve the heights of Metallica they are an awesome band imo. Megadeth are back in the big time now. Cannot fu**in wait for the tour with Priest and Testament.

Mustaine has really copped the f*ck on in the last five or so years, rebuilt bridges with a lot of people he clashed with over the years. Works for me, I loved United Abominations as well, for what it's worth. Knocked the spots off Saint Anger.

Motley Crue

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Am i the only one still left feeling somewhat empty after listening to Death Magnetic? It hasn't done a lot for me at all.

I agree

GhostInTheRuins

Patricide wrote: »

Mods can we please ban this topic, seriously its been done maybe 20 times in the last 12 months and it always turns out ugly.

Just ignore it maybe?

Rockee

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Am i the only one still left feeling somewhat empty after listening to Death Magnetic? It hasn't done a lot for me at all.

Nope, youre probably not the only person. Personally I still listen to it a lot.

Duffman-oohyeh

I only Kinda like megadeth, they do interest me, although i really do love metallica, i really loved their first 5 albums, the next few were only ok, still enjoyable, and again i think death magnetic kicks ass, anyone thats in a metal forum and has thinks metallica are **** has serious problems, only for the likes of Judas priest, iron maiden and metallica a lot of the bands around today wouldnt exist.

Mustaine is still finding it hard to get over the fact he was kicked outta metallica, he misses his little danish friend, lol!
Metallica kick megadeths ass, but megadeth are realy good at the same time!

zenmonk

Are you 12?
Anyone that doesn't like Metallica shouldn't be on a metal forum?!
FFS people are entitled to an opinion and there are plenty of people here that don't like Metallica. #
****ing fanboys

Malice

Duffman-oohyeh wrote: »

anyone thats in a metal forum and has thinks metallica are **** has serious problems

I don't think many people here will tell you that Metallica are crap, what they will probably say is that their output since the late eighties has gotten pretty poor although Death Magnetic is a step in the right direction.

zenmonk wrote: »

Are you 12?
Anyone that doesn't like Metallica shouldn't be on a metal forum?!
FFS people are entitled to an opinion and there are plenty of people here that don't like Metallica. #
****ing fanboys

That's a bit harsh. Why say people are entitled to an opinion and then give out when someone offers theirs?

Azphyxi8

Since Mustaine kicked the habit and found God, he has been taking things in a different direction. After Ellefson left, he contemplated doing things under his own name and putting Megadeth to rest. To be fair, I think that is what he should have done because "The System Has Failed" is one of the best metal albums of recent years. It was controlled completely by Mustaine but the follow up album "United Abominations" had influence from other band members and as a result was inferior.

Right now I think that Megadeth are better, in fact they are my favourite band right now, but Metallica got be into metal in the first place so the still have my respect even if the did release a couple of ****e albums.

I don't believe that Mustaine is still strugling with being kicked from Metallica, ffs it's been 25 years or so, that's enough time for anybody to get over anything.

Sephiroth_dude

Since I got there greatest hits,Im actually beginning to prefer megadeth to metallica.

i started a thread like this last year and regret it. no more!

Rockee

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Since I got there greatest hits,Im actually beginning to prefer megadeth to metallica.

Wait for the Metallica greatest hits.

Mick Shrimpton

Rockee wrote: »

Wait for the Metallica greatest hits.

Absolutely...It'll be in a tacky aluminium can, with big posters of Lars' fat ****ing head in it and I'm sure we'll all have the pleasure of paying a fortune for it.

Metallica should have called it a day a long time ago.

Rockee

Colinthedrummer wrote: »

Absolutely...It'll be in a tacky aluminium can, with big posters of Lars' fat ****ing head in it and I'm sure we'll all have the pleasure of paying a fortune for it.

Wooo! Should be class.

ShawnRaven

Rockee wrote: »

Wait for the Metallica greatest hits.

Greatest Fits more like! :P

Rockee

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Greatest Fits more like! :P

Itll still p1ss over Megawhine This is actually an argument that has gone on since 1984 so Im done..later. Happy scrappin..;)

ShawnRaven

Rockee wrote: »

Itll still p1ss over Megawhine This is actually an argument that has gone on since 1984 so Im done..later. Happy scrappin..;)

No, it'll be more commercially successful, but musically, it will be so inferior.
And you know it as well!

Rockee

ShawnRaven wrote: »

No, it'll be more commercially successful, but musically, it will be so inferior.
And you know it as well!

Metallica are both musically and commercially more successful Metalli-bashing is cool, I know, but lets face facts.

ShawnRaven

Rockee wrote: »

Metallica are both musically and commercially more successful Metalli-bashing is cool, I know, but lets face facts.

I am. Metallica might have outdone Megadeth in the 80s, but in the 90s, Metallica went soft as a fresh turd while Megadeth actually strengthened musically. The only thing saving Metallica between 91-98 was their support from MTV.

Rockee

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I am. Metallica might have outdone Megadeth in the 80s, but in the 90s, Metallica went soft as a fresh turd while Megadeth actually strengthened musically. The only thing saving Metallica between 91-98 was their support from MTV.

..and Megadeth never used MTV for support?? MTV is just another medium for promotion. What killed Megadeth was a mixture of Dave Mustaines addictions, his rotten personality (whilst under said addictions) and the constant line up changes. Thats where Metallica sped past Megadeth. With the exception of Cliffs passing, Metallica maintained a constant recording and touring 4 piece from 1986 to 2001 so theyed have still had strong numbers of fans going to their concerts irregardless of their Black Album MTV support

ShawnRaven

Rockee wrote: »

..and Megadeth never used MTV for support?? MTV is just another medium for promotion. What killed Megadeth was a mixture of Dave Mustaines addictions, his rotten personality (whilst under said addictions) and the constant line up changes. Thats where Metallica sped past Megadeth. With the exception of Cliffs passing, Metallica maintained a constant recording and touring 4 piece from 1986 to 2001 so theyed have still had strong numbers of fans going to their concerts irregardless of their Black Album MTV support

I can't dispute the majority of that, other than the fact that Megadeth did progress with their music while Metallica became somewhat stale over the past ten or so years. Sure Megadeth used MTV, however they didn't stick with a style of music that would be MTV friendly, which is why you haven't heard another Countdown, or Youthanasia. With Metallica on the other hand, Load, Reload, even I disappear were just rehashes of the black album all over again.

I'll never forget when Load came out in 1996, within a listen a lot of people had one reaction to it. the reaction being *plop!"

Rockee

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I can't dispute the majority of that, other than the fact that Megadeth did progress with their music while Metallica became somewhat stale over the past ten or so years. Sure Megadeth used MTV, however they didn't stick with a style of music that would be MTV friendly, which is why you haven't heard another Countdown, or Youthanasia. With Metallica on the other hand, Load, Reload, even I disappear were just rehashes of the black album all over again.

I'll never forget when Load came out in 1996, within a listen a lot of people had one reaction to it. the reaction being *plop!"

Load was fantastic, ReLoad..sub-par and St.Anger an embarassment. Metallica just went in a different direction to Megadeth. Just cos their styles were similar in the early days it doesnt necessarily mean they had to go neck and neck style wise for every album. Anyway, Metallica are back with 'Death Magnetic' and its a darn good album.

Funny thing is..no doubt Ill be nattering to ya at the Judas Priest/Megadeth gig in February!! 'Rust In Peace' is one of my fave all time metal albums.

Motley Crue

Sometimes it seems like Megadeth is kept down by Metallica, as Metallica's immense fame means the outfit (or Mustaine) are always swimming towards the current to try and get noticed by the fans, and although Megadeth have built up a cult fandom (especially in Europe and South America) there is a distinct ignorance of them in North America and their CDs, despite being quality material, are vastly ignored.

I mean, what is Megadeth doing on RoadRunner, come on.....

ShawnRaven

Rockee wrote: »

Load was fantastic, ReLoad..sub-par and St.Anger an embarassment. Metallica just went in a different direction to Megadeth. Just cos their styles were similar in the early days it doesnt necessarily mean they had to go neck and neck style wise for every album. Anyway, Metallica are back with 'Death Magnetic' and its a darn good album.

Funny thing is..no doubt Ill be nattering to ya at the Judas Priest/Megadeth gig in February!! 'Rust In Peace' is one of my fave all time metal albums.

My apologies for the delay in response dude. This mornings UFC saw me in bed at 6am this morning, fun show though.

I do agree with they didn't have to go neck and neck style wise, but i'm still of the opinion that the quality of Megadeth albums did improve during that time while Metallica's stayed the same. I may be in the minority on that opinion, but I also know that i'm not the only of the same opinion.

Being in the minority does have advantages, like not being part of taking Celine Dion to great heights, but that's a whole other story.

I can't get into Death Magnetic at all. I've tried. That was an album they needed to churn out five years ago.

Stev_o

Im glad Mustaine was kicked out off Metallica otherwise Megadeth wouldn't exist and this thread wouldn't exist and this post wouldn't exist etc etc

They are both great bands but ill always favor Metallica because Mustaine's vocals are like listening to a cat die, that said he's done some damn good riff's which i respect.

ShawnRaven

Stev_o wrote: »

Im glad Mustaine was kicked out off Metallica otherwise Megadeth wouldn't exist and this thread wouldn't exist and this post wouldn't exist etc etc

They are both great bands but ill always favor Metallica because Mustaine's vocals are like listening to a cat die, that said he's done some damn good riff's which i respect.

Mustaines vocals did get better from Rust In Peace onwards alright, prior to that we used to say that he sounded "like he had a vice grips on his nuts, permanently"

Rockee

ShawnRaven wrote: »

My apologies for the delay in response dude. This mornings UFC saw me in bed at 6am this morning, fun show though.

I do agree with they didn't have to go neck and neck style wise, but i'm still of the opinion that the quality of Megadeth albums did improve during that time while Metallica's stayed the same. I may be in the minority on that opinion, but I also know that i'm not the only of the same opinion.

Being in the minority does have advantages, like not being part of taking Celine Dion to great heights, but that's a whole other story.

I can't get into Death Magnetic at all. I've tried. That was an album they needed to churn out five years ago.

No probs sir, UFC eh?? I know a few lads into that actually!!

I dunno about 'deths albums getting better in that period. 'Cryptic Writings' and 'Risk' werent too hot for a lot of folk. They just stayed more in the 'metal' zone if you will.

Interesting what you said about Death Magnetic. The band said that without St.Anger happening 5 years ago then Death Magnetic would never have materialised.

ShawnRaven

Rockee wrote: »

No probs sir, UFC eh?? I know a few lads into that actually!!

Habit of a lifetime for me at this stage, never miss it.

I dunno about 'deths albums getting better in that period. 'Cryptic Writings' and 'Risk' werent too hot for a lot of folk. They just stayed more in the 'metal' zone if you will.

Risk was horribly underrated I felt, The System Has Failed, The World Needs A Hero and United Abominations have all held their own and few of them sound similar to each other, unlike Load, Reload and self titled!

Interesting what you said about Death Magnetic. The band said that without St.Anger happening 5 years ago then Death Magnetic would never have materialised.

Meanwhile the general consensus say that if Metallica had taken their heads out of their asses five years ago, St Anger would never have materialised!

(sorry dude, couldn't resist)

Rockee

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Meanwhile the general consensus say that if Metallica had taken their heads out of their asses five years ago, St Anger would never have materialised!

(sorry dude, couldn't resist)

Hey Im actually with you on that one.

myst

megadeth and metallica , you cannot compare any more, maybe 21 years ago. if dave was never in metallica would we be taliking about em like this?? both are great bands for what they are! most people getting into metallica firts but megadeth or megadave is musically better, technically better, metallica are catchier more flamboyant live today with their fireworks and runnig to different mics etc. . . megadeth has always been about the music (bar risk. . . thats another days dicussion) didnt dave say when the played the last time in the ambassodor that im not gonna talk as much so we can play more ? there is no image to dave compared to james who we all know with the with explorer, hair , no hair, beard , no beard . . . dave was always red har and a V!! both bands are great !

but Rust in Peace is the greatest metal album made!!

Tigger

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I am. Metallica might have outdone Megadeth in the 80s, but in the 90s, Metallica went soft as a fresh turd while Megadeth actually strengthened musically. The only thing saving Metallica between 91-98 was their support from MTV.

90/91
metallica released metallica/the black album (what are they the beatles now?)

90 megadeth released rust in peace and 92 countdown

since then metallica have forgotten how to write metal chjrist they wore cowboy hates and sang country and western for a while

then when they tried to rember what it was like to be the band that screamed "we are metallica" all that comes to stem is rehashing mustaines mechanix and following it with the 3rd version of the song that turned them into the loved by mtv popband that they spent the 90's being

lars : i thing we should leave unforgiven off this one

record exec : sorry no , how would people know its you guys

Nea

This argument is endless!

Personally I was a huge Metallica fan years ago, I even had the snake from the black album tattooed on my back. While not a big fan anymore (but haven’t given Death Magnetic a good spin yet) that tattoo will represent a time fondly remembered in my teenage years rather than artwork itself.

I enjoyed Load and a couple of Reload but St Anger was just arse. The Napster business pissed me off too. I understand that illegal downloading affects musicians financially but it made them look like money grabbing tools( Metallica Inc). I saw them a few years back where MOP was played in full. Great gig and there is no denying they can cut the mustard live but to be honest my Metallica adoration days are long gone.

Classic Megadeth was my favourite. Music went downhill at Risk but I started listening to them again with the System has Failed which is a savage album. Mustaine has always been a pain in the hole although addictions may have enabled that more over the years. I have seen them 5 times live and only disappointed once for TWNAH tour, looking forward to seeing them again next year. At least Megadeth tickets are always a reasonable price unlike Metallica tickets.


If you asked my who was the best of the two,
When I was 18 it was Metallica
When I was 20 it was Megadeth.

Now there are too many other bands that attract my attention more but both bands gave my many fond memories and enjoyable gigs


Excuse my ignorance but what is the problem with Roadrunner, I thought it was a fairly prominent metal label?

Rockee

Nea wrote: »

At least Megadeth tickets are always a reasonable price unlike Metallica tickets.

Ye see, this is the point that a lot of people are missing. Metallica and Megadeth started out on roughly the same path way back in the ealy 80s but Metallica, whether you agree with their musical choices or not, are a lot more commercially successful than Megadeth. They're up there with the pulling power of the Springsteens, the Stones, U2 so yes their tickets are more expensive.

ShawnRaven

Tigger wrote: »

90/91
metallica released metallica/the black album (what are they the beatles now?)

That was The White Album, The Black Album was Spinal Tap! Get it right!!

since then metallica have forgotten how to write metal chjrist they wore cowboy hates and sang country and western for a while

In their defense, most of Forclosure Of A Dream was a country song, all Mustaine was missing was the black teeth grin (see what i did there?) and a cowboy hat.

then when they tried to rember what it was like to be the band that screamed "we are metallica" all that comes to stem is rehashing mustaines mechanix and following it with the 3rd version of the song that turned them into the loved by mtv popband that they spent the 90's being

lars : i thing we should leave unforgiven off this one

record exec : sorry no , how would people know its you guys

Bob Rock's fault, but nobody wants to get Rockee started on that

Rockee

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Bob Rock's fault, but nobody wants to get Rockee started on that

Can of whoop-ass comin your way sir!

Motley Crue

ShawnRaven wrote: »

That was The White Album, The Black Album was Spinal Tap! Get it right!!;)

Was Spinal Tap's albums not Smell The Glove and Break Like The Wind?

Metallica's self titled album really set them apart from what they had done in the past, and as Chris Jericho (yes the wrestler) once said, people were spitting on that album at the time and going insane because this was not Metallica and it was an offence to the loyal trash fans.

ShawnRaven

Motley Crue wrote: »

Was Spinal Tap's albums not Smell The Glove and Break Like The Wind?

The former is a work of fiction, good sir. Their two actual albums are This Is Spinal Tap, and Break Like The Wind.

This Is Spinal Tap is entirely in black, although Smell The Glove was supposed to be as well, after the original artwork was rejected.

Betallica

Megadeth have more metal albums, but in overall 'Tallica owns 'em.
(James & co. owns every band on earth, active or disbanded, no difference)

ShawnRaven

Betallica wrote: »

Megadeth have more metal albums, but in overall 'Tallica owns 'em.
(James & co. owns every band on earth, active or disbanded, no difference)

You're funny, kid. I like you.