BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!

Run_to_da_hills

I have decided that it is about time that CT had a "BIG BROTHER ALERT" !!! thread. Maybe with the possibility of becoming a sticky. There is a need to keep everyone up to date and informed on Big Brother and his cunning tricks from around the globe as we draw closer to 1984.

The rule of this thread should be that no alert should be posted without the relevant press back up link. "Big Brother" himself is welcome to voice his opinion on the topics.:D

To all you smart ar*ses out there, this thread has absolutly nothing got to do with the TV series.



Heres the first...............

BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!

Irish times 7 November 2008..................

Garda chief asks Vodafone to retain live web-browsing data and for real-time web-browsing information.

Such information would include the content or the web address (URL) of every web page browsed by users of mobile handsets, palmtop devices or 3G modems.

"This itself goes beyond the European Union's data retention directive, which the Government intends to implement as a statutory instrument".The Irish Times

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1107/1225925540654.html

Run_to_da_hills

BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!


Evening Herald November 12 2008.

Orwellian style thumb print identifiers are to be considered by the authorities. These devices can scan your thumb and identify you on the spot just like the scanners that veterinary surgeons would use for checking e_tags on cats & dogs. :eek:

A global database will be set up as apart of the "law and order" dept of the 'New World Governance' (NWO) that will eventually contain the thump print scan of every man woman and child on the planet. This information will be used in conjunction with the current RFID based passport or the National ID card for a more positive form of identification at local checkpoints and international borders.

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/mobile-fingerprint-scanners-for-gardai-1535286.html

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!


Evening Herald November 12 2008.

Orwellian style thumb print identifiers are to be considered by the authorities. These devices can scan your thumb and identify you on the spot just like the scanners that veterinary surgeons would use for checking e_tags on cats & dogs. :eek:

A global database will be set up as apart of the "law and order" dept of the 'New World Governance' (NWO) that will eventually contain the thump print scan of every man woman and child on the planet. This information will be used in conjunction with the current RFID based passport or the National ID card for a more positive form of identification at local checkpoints and international borders.

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/mobile-fingerprint-scanners-for-gardai-1535286.html

I cant seem to find any of that text in the link you provided.

Run_to_da_hills

thecommander wrote: »

I cant seem to find any of that text in the link you provided.

You won't because this is a Conspiracy Theory's forum. :rolleyes:

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You won't because this is a CONSPIRACY THEORY forum. :rolleyes:

Just making it up as you go along then, I get ya.

Gareth37

The Bible tells it all. The signs are here. We are entering dark days where the 2 beasts will be propelled by the Dragon, for which we are part of, and part of this is the surveillence of every man woman and child.

thecommander

Gareth37 wrote: »

The Bible tells it all. The signs are here. We are entering dark days where the 2 beasts will be propelled by the Dragon, for which we are part of, and part of this is the surveillence of every man woman and child.

Dont remember the part about the Dragon in the bible, was that before or after the flood?

Run_to_da_hills

thecommander wrote: »

Just making it up as you go along then, I get ya.

But it is true, Thumb scanners will be used in conjunction with the Verichip implant for added security in case someone clones or removes their ID chip. :eek:

Gareth37

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

But it is true, Thumb scanners will be used in conjunction with the Verichip implant for added security in case someone clones or removes their ID chip. :eek:

Im not yet convinced that the mark in the right hand or forehead, mentioned in the Bible, is in relation to human chip implant to replace money.

What we all will agree on this that paper and coin money will be removed by the antichrist movement. Is this correct in your opinion?

What replaces money won't become clear until it actually exists but it will be either a mark in the right hand (which could be a credit card or other electronic device with this functionality) or forehead. People can speculate what this mark is but until it actually exists me or you cannot be sure.

Run_to_da_hills

BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!

Your mobile phone can be used as a bug. Its official!!!

For those that do not want BIG BROTHER listening into their private mobile phone conversations REMOVE YOUR BATTERY and SIM card (Some phones may have a powerful back up battery for operating the bios chip)


According to FOX News the FBI can eavesdrop on conversations. I have already posted a thread on this subject. No doubt this technology will pee passed freely to all participants of the New World Order including the UK and Ireland! :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G1fNjK9SXg

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to FOX News the FBI can eavesdrop on conversations

I like the way you pick and choose what you want to believe from Fox News. If there is a NWO, and if they do control the media as claimed, then why would they be reporting this?

nyarlothothep

Because soon they will reveal themselves. They're just softening up the public.

Run_to_da_hills

thecommander wrote: »

I like the way you pick and choose what you want to believe from Fox News. If there is a NWO, and if they do control the media as claimed, then why would they be reporting this?

Not fully yet but very soon we will have WW2 type media censorship around the globe. Our days our numbered from receiving of any of this type of material.

New laws being passed by the British home office banning any material that would be published that could threaten national security. Such would cover press reports on any technology advancements that would be used by the authorities.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-seek-to-censor-the-media-1006607.html

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Not fully yet but very soon we will have WW2 type media censorship around the globe.

Timeframe?

Run_to_da_hills

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Because soon they will reveal themselves. They're just softening up the public.

+1

Precisely. People know already that phones can be used as listening devices from "roving bug" software available on line. Fox is only confirming this. Nothing new.


FOX News did not disclose the fact the the sim card must also be removed from your phone. There would be enough power from the bios battery in most modern phones to operate the bug with the battery removed.

thecommander wrote: »

Timeframe?

It will be gradual, laws will be subtly drafted in for the interest of "national security", first on the obvious such as open media reports like what was mentioned in the that link.

Another faked 9/11 spectacular would obviously accelerate the whole process to include bans and censorships on websites and blog relating to state security. That article in the Independent is an eye opener on things to come.

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

+1

Precisely. People know already that phones can be used as listening devices from "roving bug" software available on line. Fox is only confirming this. Nothing new.


FOX News did not disclose the fact the the sim card must also be removed from your phone. There would be enough power from the bios battery in most modern phones to operate the bug with the battery removed.


It will be gradual, laws will be subtly drafted in for the interest of "national security", first on the obvious such as open media reports like what was mentioned in the that link.

Another faked 9/11 spectacular would obviously accelerate the whole process to include bans and censorships on websites and blog relating to state security. That article in the Independent is an eye opener on things to come.

For a secret organisation, they're not very good at it.

Run_to_da_hills

BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!


EVENING HERALD 14th NOVEMBER 2008.

70 New high tech Orwellian CCTV Cameras for South Dublin.

The cameras are the latest addition to the vast array of CCTV operated by BIG BROTHER in Dublin and accros the country. These will be initially connected up to a local database for live monitoring and in time when this "New World Economic Governance" (NWO) comes into effect access to these will be passed on to foreign authorities. :eek:


These sophisticated cameras can pan/tilt and zoom right in on you and are also fitted with infrared for night time usage. In time they will be upgraded to 3D software that will recognize your face from a distance.:eek:


http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/south-dublin-getting-an-orwellian-future-now-with-70-new-cctv-cameras-at-a-total-cost-of-euro25m-1539345.html

Hobbes

So your saying they are more or less the same as the cameras they already have up?

Run_to_da_hills

Hobbes wrote: »

So your saying they are more or less the same as the cameras they already have up?

The same but just MORE of them :eek:


These would be part financed by EEC. It is hopeful that these and many more CCTV cameras will be installed and ready in time for the next Lisbon referendum so that they can catch people in the act putting unauthorised NO posters The EEC is a key player in the NWO.

Mahatma coat

RTDH I thin you will find that the EEC was phased out a fair while ago, the Lizzards changed the name to EU.

some people here dont seem to understand how this subterfuge works tho, hiden in plain sight is a common methd of getting things done with these people, in a couple of years from now it may become standard practice for police or 'National Security' agencies to use this technology for phone taps, if Suddenly the people found out about it there would be uproar, but by releasing stories like this now most of the population will just shrug their shoulders and say ah well we've had tht technology for ages.

Run_to_da_hills

Mahatma coat wrote: »

RTDH I thin you will find that the EEC was phased out a fair while ago, the Lizzards changed the name to EU.

some people here dont seem to understand how this subterfuge works tho, hiden in plain sight is a common methd of getting things done with these people, in a couple of years from now it may become standard practice for police or 'National Security' agencies to use this technology for phone taps, if Suddenly the people found out about it there would be uproar, but by releasing stories like this now most of the population will just shrug their shoulders and say ah well we've had tht technology for ages.

As you say it is brought in so subtly that people do not notice it until its too late.

Its like boiling a frog from cold water. It is said that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will never jump out. :eek:

trentf

in a couple of years how bout right now


Surveillance legislation to go before Dáíl

Saturday, 15 November 2008 13:18

The Garda Commissioner Fachtna Murphy has said he is glad that proposed legislation on covert surveillance is to go before the Dáil shortly.

He said the new legislation would allow evidence gathered by the gardaí through surveillance to be admissible in the courts.

Speaking on RTÉ radio, Mr Murphy again extended his sympathy to the family of Shane Geoghegan, who was shot dead last weekend near his home in Limerick in a case of mistaken identity.

AdvertisementHe said the incidence of gun crime in Limerick had fallen by 60% in recent months but he acknowledged the drop did not take away from the situation of feuding gangs in the city.

The Garda Commissioner also said the level of garda visibility on the streets was higher than ever before


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Shot near his home in a case of mistaken identity?? what ?
sounds like problem solution reaction to me

And just why would you be glad that surveillance is going ahead? Whats to be glad about?
oh forgot nearing the ultimate agenda being fullfilled maybe thats why he's happy not maybe
it is why is happy.


Hope you guys enjoy the ireland new zealand match keeping you distracted while your rights and freedoms go down the swany...better be a good match..

meglome

trentf wrote: »

in a couple of years how bout right now


Surveillance legislation to go before Dáíl

Saturday, 15 November 2008 13:18

The Garda Commissioner Fachtna Murphy has said he is glad that proposed legislation on covert surveillance is to go before the Dáil shortly.

He said the new legislation would allow evidence gathered by the gardaí through surveillance to be admissible in the courts.

Speaking on RTÉ radio, Mr Murphy again extended his sympathy to the family of Shane Geoghegan, who was shot dead last weekend near his home in Limerick in a case of mistaken identity.

AdvertisementHe said the incidence of gun crime in Limerick had fallen by 60% in recent months but he acknowledged the drop did not take away from the situation of feuding gangs in the city.

The Garda Commissioner also said the level of garda visibility on the streets was higher than ever before


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Shot near his home in a case of mistaken identity?? what ?
sounds like problem solution reaction to me

And just why would you be glad that surveillance is going ahead? Whats to be glad about?
oh forgot nearing the ultimate agenda being fullfilled maybe thats why he's happy not maybe
it is why is happy.


Hope you guys enjoy the ireland new zealand match keeping you distracted while your rights and freedoms go down the swany...better be a good match..

So let me see if I understand this, we shouldn't be able to use surveillance on major criminals to convict them? The same scumbags that regularly kill people?

Nick_oliveri

If i got the **** kicked out of me down town for fcuk all id like any available visual evidence to be brought before the court to convict the scummy cnut(s) that done it to me.

Mahatma coat

NO, it starts with MAJOR Criminals, then petty criminals, then eventually everything is a feckin crime and you are being monitored 24/7 just in case you might be a Criminal

Run_to_da_hills

Mahatma coat wrote: »

NO, it starts with MAJOR Criminals, then petty criminals, then eventually everything is a feckin crime and you are being monitored 24/7 just in case you might be a Criminal

Eventually there will be little or no crime. Most of the scumbags would have eather bumped each other off or else they got locked up. The smart card will be fully implemented for the EFT, peoples purchasing habits noted and no more underhand dealing or black economy, or Government fraud.

All these cameras will eventually be then turned on US to track all our movements in an Orwellian hell during the NWO. They will be used to watch any resistance to this evil organisation. IE Unauthorised gathering, errecting protest posters, they can be used to watch if people are carrying anything that could be used as a weapon.

The ANPR's are starting to appear on the Merrian Road, The large stainless steel gantries are in place each side of the road a few hundred yards south of the British Embassy. This sofisticated CCTV system is the equivalent of having a police check point 24/7 365. Just make sure your Motor tax, insurance and NCT is up to date. :eek:

Mahatma coat

OK theres where you are mistaken, once they deal with the Scumbags then We become the Criminals, there will always heve to be "crime" to justify the hugepolice forces these Lizzzards seem to prefer, course there will also be a 'Homeland Security' type thing and many
'Re-Nedification' centres.

meglome

Mahatma coat wrote: »

NO, it starts with MAJOR Criminals, then petty criminals, then eventually everything is a feckin crime and you are being monitored 24/7 just in case you might be a Criminal

It costs a lot to surveil people properly so the idea that we're all next is utter rubbish, actual people have to listen in. And there will always be hard core criminals to chase so there will be no "finishing with them". If this was so easy the mafia wouldn't exist.

meglome

Mahatma coat wrote: »

and many
'Re-Nedification' centres.

So where are these centres exactly?

Mahatma coat

they dont need many people to monitor us all, most of the Sheeple will monitor each other, and they have computers to check your phone and email for keywords.

as for the 'Re-Nedification' center, have a lookin the corner of your living room.

IRISH RAIL

its ironic that the gardai will have the power to put in covert listening devices when the equiptment to detect them is freely and cheaply available
also they would have to break into houses for most of the equiptment to be placed
so the gaurds are going to get trained in burglary ???
I seriously doubt how far that will go

seanybiker

Mahatma coat wrote: »

NO, it starts with MAJOR Criminals, then petty criminals, then eventually everything is a feckin crime and you are being monitored 24/7 just in case you might be a Criminal

Sure if your not doing anything wrong whats the problem

Mahatma coat

seanybiker wrote: »

Sure if your not doing anything wrong whats the problem

the classic mindset of the Sheeple, they will always find something, I have lst count of the amount of Random/routine checkpoints I have been pulled over at by the cops here in Australia, they will always find something, if you can defeat their initial assumption then they will find something else....

the idea is to limit their powers, not give them carteblanche over the population

Run_to_da_hills

Mahatma coat wrote: »

OK theres where you are mistaken, once they deal with the Scumbags then We become the Criminals, there will always heve to be "crime" to justify the hugepolice forces these Lizzzards seem to prefer, course there will also be a 'Homeland Security' type thing and many
'Re-Nedification' centres.

20 years ago there would have been public uproar if the Gardai were given the powers to clip crocodile clips on the incoming P+T telegraph wires coming into our house and tape all our phone calls, open and photocopy all our letters before the postman delivers them in the door. The Sheeple find no harm in the above when modern terms are used IE, ISPS , Emails, URLS, electronic data, and service providers. etc.

I explained the above to my old man in layman's terms terms and he was disgusted how they can get away with it. He never knew how to send an Email or text message in his life He was also a law abiding citizen. He now feels that he is being treated just like a convict no different to anyone in Mountjoy.

The Government is PRO Lisbon which is in itself a part of the NWO. They are laying down the groundwork and infrastructure for this fascist Global organisation.

Mahatma coat

thats a pretty good analogy there RTDH, I think itsacase where we have been slowly conditioned to accept this as 'the way it is'

is it still a criminal offence for someone other than the reciepient to open a letter??

bonkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

20 years ago there would have been public uproar if the Gardai were given the powers to clip crocodile clips on the incoming P+T telegraph wires coming into our house and tape all our phone calls, open and photocopy all our letters before the postman delivers them in the door.

The police had those powers 20 years ago.

Then, as now, it required authorisation to use them.

The Sheeple find no harm in the above when modern terms are used IE, ISPS , Emails, URLS, electronic data, and service providers. etc.

Whereas informed people see no major distinction when existing powers are extended to cover new media.

The issue, regardless of whether it be an application to new or old technology, has always been - and should remain - that of oversight.

I explained the above to my old man in layman's terms terms and he was disgusted how they can get away with it.

Did you explain to your old man that 20 years ago the police could tap his phone and read his mail? Or did you explain it in terms that 20 years ago, they could do none of this stuff under any circumstances, whereas today, they can do it on the slightest pretext, possibly even to the point of just browsing cause they were bored in work?

He now feels that he is being treated just like a convict no different to anyone in Mountjoy.

I have a suspicion that this may be due to the explanation he received being somewhat biased.

The Government is PRO Lisbon which is in itself a part of the NWO.

Did you tell your "old man" this as well? Did you tell him that no matter who he votes for, it won't matter because they're all in on it? Did he believe you?

Run_to_da_hills

bonkey wrote: »

The police had those powers 20 years ago.
Then, as now, it required authorization to use them.

You must have been asleep for the last week. :rolleyes: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1107/1225925540654.html

bonkey wrote: »

The issue, regardless of whether it be an application to new or old technology, has always been - and should remain - that of oversight.

Newer digital technology leaves itself wide open to track & trace unlike conventional methods, The authorities take advantage to this to watch all our movements and nobody bats an eyelid. Twenty years ago if you were told by the authorities that you had to show ID, write your name and address in a book every time you crossed a toll bridge or boarded a bus or train you would have cried out about it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6110866.stm

bonkey wrote: »

Did you tell your "old man" this as well? Did you tell him that no matter who he votes for, it won't matter because they're all in on it? Did he believe you?

I told my old man that a YES vote for Lisbon would rip our constitution to shreds and bring abortion into the country, I told the same to all my elderly relatives. :pac:

Run_to_da_hills

BIG BROTHER ALERT


Evening Herald Monday, November 17 2008

The New World Order, WooooPs, the EU plans forcing airlines to give passenger records to police authorities will create a BIG BROTHER society and increase the cost of air travel, an Oireachtas Committee insists.

Passenger Name Record (PNR)is personal and confidential data provided by the passenger at reservation, check-in and boarding. :eek:

Before you even board the plane the authorities will know exactly what you had for breakfast. If you had being viewing any unauthorized web sites they will have all this at their fingertips and will haul you in and quiz you for hours just like they do in America. :eek:

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/big-brother-plan-will-push-up-flight-costs-1542263.html

oscarBravo

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Passenger Name Record (PNR)is personal and confidential data provided by the passenger at reservation, check-in and boarding. :eek:

Before you even board the plane the authorities will know exactly what you had for breakfast.

I don't remember ever providing that information when booking a flight.

Run_to_da_hills

oscarBravo wrote: »

I don't remember ever providing that information when booking a flight.

Either has I or anyone else because it has not come into effect.

Read the link.

oscarBravo

I did. It didn't mention breakfast.

Run_to_da_hills

oscarBravo wrote: »

I did. It didn't mention breakfast.

Big Brother will know that right down to the brand of cereal, bacon and eggs from your EFT sales and loyalty card records :pac:

bonkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You must have been asleep for the last week. :rolleyes: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1107/1225925540654.html

No, I wasn't asleep at all. Despite your eye-rolling, you should still be able to note that the comissioner asked for the retention of this data, not for unrestricted access to it.

As with any other such data, authorisation will be required to access it.

Twenty years ago if you were told by the authorities that you had to show ID, write your name and address in a book every time you crossed a toll bridge or boarded a bus or train you would have cried out about it.

I'd complain about it today as well, if I had to show ID, and/or sign my name and address for these things. Today, just as 20 years ago, I don't have to....so I'm not quite sure what it is you're arguing.

On the other hand, 25-30 years ago, I could get stopped on the street by armed soldiers, or have my car halted on an empty road by same. I could have assault weapons pointed in my general direction while I was quizzed on where I was going to and coming from. I could have the contents of my car inspected to verify my claim of being on my way home from shopping.

Thats before we go into the exceptional, horror stories.

Maybe your dad doesn't remember that so well...but I certainly do.

I told my old man that a YES vote for Lisbon would rip our constitution to shreds and bring abortion into the country, I told the same to all my elderly relatives. :pac:

Good for you. I like the vision of an honest world, devoid of fear-mongering that you are promoting.

Run_to_da_hills

bonkey wrote: »

No, I wasn't asleep at all. Despite your eye-rolling, you should still be able to note that the commissioner asked for the retention of this data, not for unrestricted access to it.

As with any other such data, authorization will be required to access it.
.

Once this becomes law the door is left wide open for abuse, ma be not for this party but for god knows who may get in or take control at a later stage. With harmonizing of resources revenue, social welfare and every other department could hold such digital records against you as evidence in court. Such data will be shared with authorities arounnd the Globe as what is currently happening.

bonkey wrote: »

I'd complain about it today as well, if I had to show ID, and/or sign my name and address for these things. Today, just as 20 years ago, I don't have to....so I'm not quite sure what it is you're arguing.
.

You obviously dint take the Westlink, those that do give their names and addresses upon crossing it. As we discussed on transport, give it a few years you will not be able to board a public bus or train without a pre registered smart card. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4800490.stm

bonkey wrote: »

On the other hand, 25-30 years ago, I could get stopped on the street by armed soldiers, or have my car halted on an empty road by same. I could have assault weapons pointed in my general direction while I was quizzed on where I was going to and coming from. I could have the contents of my car inspected to verify my claim of being on my way home from shopping.

I spent much of my childhood in South Armagh and Co Down and know all about armed checkpoints. In the NWO there will be little or no need for armed checkpoints. Doors would be kicked in with suspects arrested from personal profiles built up from data records shared by the various authorities before the culprits have a chance to load the boot.

In future ALL your shopping records will show up your profile. The ISBN number on the books you ordered or purchase with your National ID card, the magazines you reed, even the internet web sites that you browse will be logged by Big Brother and could be used against you. :eek:

bonkey wrote: »

Thats before we go into the exceptional, horror stories.

Maybe your dad doesn't remember that so well...but I certainly do.


Good for you. I like the vision of an honest world, devoid of fear-mongering that you are promoting.

Nothing fear mongering about exposing the NWO and keeping the wolf of Lisbon at bay.

There is more than one way to skin a cat and you can be damn sure that there will be another referendum within the end of this decade. They might even get the electronic voting machines up and running so they can programme it to win on a YES majority. :pac::pac::pac:

Diogenes

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You obviously dint take the Westlink, those that do give their names and addresses upon crossing it. As we discussed on transport, give it a few years you will not be able to board a public bus or train without a pre registered smart card. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4800490.stm

You mean there isn't a pay as go choice on the westlink?

I spent much of my childhood in South Armagh and Co Down and know all about armed checkpoints. In the NWO there will be little or no need for armed checkpoints. Doors would be kicked in with suspects arrested from personal profiles built up from data records shared by the various authorities before the culprits have a chance to load the boot.

Um you do understand that since the end of the troubles security in the north has been significantly downgraded. There may not be check points but at the same time the BA and PSNI aren't kicking down doors with the same level of intensity.

In future ALL your shopping records will show up your profile. The ISBN number on the books you ordered or purchase with your National ID card, the magazines you reed, even the internet web sites that you browse will be logged by Big Brother and could be used against you. :eek:

You have grasped that club/nectar cards are freely available optional extras. I dislike being profiled while my wife likes the points, I mean suggesting that ALL your shopping recording will show up on your profile when we pay cash and any clubcards type scheme is opt in is just daft?

What are you suggesting that nectard cards will be tied into ID cards?

[quot
Nothing fear mongering about exposing the NWO and keeping the wolf of Lisbon at bay.
[/quote]

Explain why Libson is wrong?

There is more thae]n one way to skin a cat and you can be damn sure that there will be another referendum within the end of this decade. They might even get the electronic voting machines up and running so they can programme it to win on a YES majority. :pac::pac::pac:

So bascially you're saying that there is a giant global conspiracy who can control everything except the vote in a tiny island?

Does the cognitive dissoance in your argument give you massive headaches?

Mahatma coat

I would advise ye to have a look at how Australia has implemented the technologies being discussed here for a glimpse of what ye should expect over the next few years back home

Run_to_da_hills

Diogenes wrote: »

You mean there isn't a pay as go choice on the westlink?

Since 30th August your registration details are logged and timed to the second each time you cross the westlink (In Theory :rolleyes:). There is no anonymous cash option if you are trying to imply.

Diogenes wrote: »

Um you do understand that since the end of the troubles security in the north has been significantly downgraded. There may not be check points but at the same time the BA and PSNI aren't kicking down doors with the same level of intensity.

There is a reason for this is the ceasefire. :rolleyes:

If the troubles ever started up again life would not at all be as easy for any dissidents particularly living in London with all the ANPR CCTV and other high tech digital police surveillance equipment that was unheard of 20 years ago. Plenty of doors would be "kicked in".

Diogenes wrote: »

You have grasped that club/nectar cards are freely available optional extras. I dislike being profiled while my wife likes the points, I mean suggesting that ALL your shopping recording will show up on your profile when we pay cash and any clubcards type scheme is opt in is just daft?

What are you suggesting that nectard cards will be tied into ID cards?

Not now but under the retention of data act supermarkets are obliged to hold this information for several years.

I doubt if the authorities have live access to loyalty card records at present but the way things are going it would not surprise me in the least if they have applied for it. (UK) Give it time and they will have it in this so called "war on terror"

The authorities could presently request data records from any supermarket chain if they though it deemed necessary in solving an investigation.

Diogenes wrote: »

Explain why Lisbon is wrong?

Several reasons, perhaps the most frighting one is that Irish law and order will be superseded by Global NWO legislation which inevitably be handed over to foreign authorities. :eek:

We are already getting a taste of Europes Orwellian legoislation. This was disgussed in the Oireachtas just yesterday, In the NWO there would be none of this, this law would be pushed straight through with no government say on the matter. http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/big-brother-plan-will-push-up-flight-costs-1542263.html

Imagine if the Death penalty was reintroduced in Ireland in the fight against "terrorism" then we were told by the authorities that anyone who resisted the NWO was considered a terrorist.:eek:

Diogenes wrote: »

So basically you're saying that there is a giant global conspiracy who can control everything except the vote in a tiny island?

This up and coming NWO monster has the wooden spoon out and is slapping the leaders of this tiny island to do something about it irrespective of what we the people of Ireland have decided on and they won't give up until the treaty is ratified.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I would advise ye to have a look at how Australia has implemented the technologies being discussed here for a glimpse of what ye should expect over the next few years back home

I lived in Australia for two years in the mid 90ies, there was laws that were passed back then that are only coming in to Ireland now, one is the random bottle (No harm). You have mandatory Bicycles helmets FFS. :rolleyes:

Run_to_da_hills

BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!

The Irish Times 18th November 2008.

Personal details must be handed over by Government to keep up US Visa waiver scheme.

The GOVERNMENT will have to agree to a sweeping new agreement on sharing criminal data with the NWO if Ireland is to remain part of the visa waiver programme, US homeland security secretary Michael Chertoff said yesterday.

The deal would mean exchanging data, including DNA and fingerprint records, and in some cases details of individuals' political and religious beliefs and sexual orientation - even on people not planning to travel to the US.


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1118/1226961467105.html?via=mr

This goes without saying that the United States and European Union are both bedfellows on setting up the New World Order.

The same gun was put to the Governments head by the EU authorities just yesterday concerning personal data handed out with all European Flight check in's and on top of all this the Gardai are getting thumb scanners. I smell a rat !!!.

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/big-brother-plan-will-push-up-flight-costs-1542263.html

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!

The Irish Times 19th November 2008

Its not even the 19th yet, really are clutching at straws with fake news.

Run_to_da_hills

thecommander wrote: »

Its not even the 19th yet, really are clutching at straws with fake news.

Changed, its in the link :rolleyes:

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Changed, its in the link :rolleyes:

Link doesn't work tho...