I know of a garage that clocked a car and is selling it

bagofspanners1

I know of a garage in Dublin that has clocked a car and is selling it on their forecourt, what to do?

How do I know it has been clocked, well the car was a trade in when the previous owner handed over the car the mileage was about 11,000 more than what it is being advertised at now, this person has proof of the proper mileage as well (service invoices etc).

We pay enough for cars, insurance, tax, fuel and running costs so why should we have to pay for some greedy garages dodgy dealings as well.
I'm no busybody but in fairness I wouldn't like to buy a motor that was dodgy would you?


The garage in question has been around a few years so how many have they done before that!!

I'm not going to name names (yet).
I just want to see what you petrolheads think should be done?

miceal

bagofspanners1 wrote: »

I know of a garage in Dublin that has clocked a car and is selling it on their forecourt, what to do?

How do I know it has been clocked, well the car was a trade in when the previous owner handed over the car the mileage was about 11,000 more than what it is being advertised at now, this person has proof of the proper mileage as well (service invoices etc).

We pay enough for cars, insurance, tax, fuel and running costs so why should we have to pay for some greedy garages dodgy dealings as well.
I'm no busybody but in fairness I wouldn't like to buy a motor that was dodgy would you?


The garage in question has been around a few years so how many have they done before that!!

I'm not going to name names (yet).
I just want to see what you petrolheads think should be done?

I'd report it as someone is going to get shafted when they buy it!

There basically committing fraud on the unsuspecting!

bagofspanners1

miceal wrote: »

I'd report it as someone is going to get shafted when they buy it!

There basically committing fraud on the unsuspecting!

Too true but who would it have to be reported to, the law?

BlackWizard

Could it be a typo or possible mistake?

bagofspanners1

BlackWizard wrote: »

Could it be a typo or possible mistake?

I thought that at first, but then I saw 4 car sites plus their own advertising it with the same lower mileage.
I suppose another way of checking is to go and see the car as a potential buyer.

L-M

bagofspanners1 wrote: »

I thought that at first, but then I saw 4 car sites plus their own advertising it with the same lower mileage.
I suppose another way of checking is to go and see the car as a potential buyer.

Ya but there one program in most cases updates all those sites.

If your going to accuse, go to the garage, sit in the car and look at the mileage. Typo's can very easily happen, even into their system at work, the salesman who traded it in could of easily wrote it down wrong or took the customers word it. Hold your high horses, and check it out first.

Anan1

What are the actual and advertised mileages? Sometimes it's obvious what happened, ie 100,000 miles to 62,000 miles = miles having been entered as kms.

L-M

Anan1 wrote: »

What are the actual and advertised mileages? Sometimes it's obvious what happened, ie 100,000 miles to 62,000 miles = miles having been entered as kms.

11,000 in the difference apparantly?

Plus i can no more see why some one would clock a car 11,000 miles, completely pointless.

Volvoboy

I didnt even bother reading your post its a no-brainer, call the Gardai and report them you'll get nothing done on here. In the time it's taken you to post this you could of phoned them and all.


Instead theres a chance that some poor bastard is going to buy a clocked car.

:mad:

Anan1

Limerick-man wrote: »

11,000 in the difference apparantly?

Plus i can no more see why some one would clock a car 11,000 miles, completely pointless.

Perhaps the car had 31,000 miles, this was entered in the kms field, and the mileage of the car in the ad appeared as 20,000 miles? I can't really see the point in only shaving 10,000 either, if it were done deliberately.

L-M

Volvoboy wrote: »

I didnt even bother reading your post its a no-brainer, call the Gardai and report them you'll get nothing done on here. In the time it's taken you to post this you could of phoned them and all.


Instead theres a chance that some poor bastard is going to buy a clocked car.

:mad:

Lol, i think what the OP "knows" isn't a guarantee. Although, i could be wrong.

L-M

Anan1 wrote: »

Perhaps the car had 31,000 miles, this was entered in the kms field, and the mileage of the car in the ad appeared as 20,000 miles? I can't really see the point in only shaving 10,000 either, if it were done deliberately.

By the sounds of it it has a service history as well, so why null a service history for the sake of 11,000. We'll have to wait and see.

bagofspanners1

Limerick-man wrote: »

Ya but there one program in most cases updates all those sites.

If your going to accuse, go to the garage, sit in the car and look at the mileage. Typo's can very easily happen, even into their system at work, the salesman who traded it in could of easily wrote it down wrong or took the customers word it. Hold your high horses, and check it out first.

Well the one program doesn't work for CBG or Carsireland and I doubt if their own site updates others.

It's far from a high horse I'm on.
I have 100% proof that there were no errors made at the time of trade-in, the customer stood next to the salesman as he looked at the clock and service indicator.
Plus the receipt has the trade-in mileage on it.

As for going to see the car, I'm waiting on someone to get back to me who went to view the car earlier. I'll update as soon as I hear.

L-M

bagofspanners1 wrote: »

Well the one program doesn't work for CBG or Carsireland and I doubt if their own site updates others.

It's far from a high horse I'm on.
I have 100% proof that there were no errors made at the time of trade-in, the customer stood next to the salesman as he looked at the clock and service indicator.
Plus the receipt has the trade-in mileage on it.

All of the above points are irrelevant, mistakes can be made.

Wait and see what your friends says, if they clocked it, name and shame and get the law involved.

Anan1

bagofspanners1 wrote: »

Well the one program doesn't work for CBG or Carsireland and I doubt if their own site updates others.

It's far from a high horse I'm on.
I have 100% proof that there were no errors made at the time of trade-in, the customer stood next to the salesman as he looked at the clock and service indicator.
Plus the receipt has the trade-in mileage on it.

As for going to see the car, I'm waiting on someone to get back to me who went to view the car earlier. I'll update as soon as I hear.

What's the indicated/actual mileage?

bagofspanners1

Limerick-man wrote: »

11,000 in the difference apparantly?

Plus i can no more see why some one would clock a car 11,000 miles, completely pointless.

So if you saw two cars you liked one with say 60,000 on it and the other with 48,430 which one would you go for?

Limerick-man wrote: »

Lol, i think what the OP "knows" isn't a guarantee. Although, i could be wrong.

Yeah I know nothing I just posted this as a bet:rolleyes:

Limerick-man wrote: »

By the sounds of it it has a service history as well, so why null a service history for the sake of 11,000. We'll have to wait and see.

What if the last service was 14,000 miles ago, there's no need for the service history to be altered then is there?

bagofspanners1

Anan1 wrote: »

What's the indicated/actual mileage?

80,542 is whats on the original clock
Now down to 69k.

L-M

bagofspanners1 wrote: »

So if you saw two cars you liked one with say 60,000 on it and the other with 48,430 which one would you go for?

There are hundreds of other things on a car that i would be more concerned about than 11,000 miles. Colour, tax, nct, condition, how well it was looked after, number of owners, was it imported, wheels, spec. If your going to ask me if the two of them were the exact same in every way, then there would be an obvious answer to your question, but it would be unlikely for this to happen.

bagofspanners1 wrote: »

Yeah I know nothing I just posted this as a bet:rolleyes:

I work in a garage, i'm a salesman, i look after the internet side of things. I've often put in the mileage wrong on the cars, it can very easily happen. As mentioned above the whole km's, miles option on carbase can easily catch some one out.

bagofspanners1 wrote: »

What if the last service was 14,000 miles ago, there's no need for the service history to be altered then is there?

If the last service was 14,000 miles ago, if could well have been a good few months back, and there's alot of the time dates on services. So if there's only been 3,000 put on in a few months and compared to other service interval gaps it could easily arouse suspicion with a customer.

In the end, if this does come out to be clocked, it will have been a very pointless clocking. The only way YOU can prove than, is by looking at the car.

Keith186

Call SIMI if their a member of that organisation and tell them to investigate.

Or else you could investigate yourself and break it to a tabloid paper for a bit more excitement, just make sure your definitely right if your gonna do this!

L-M

Keith186 wrote: »

just make sure your definitely right if your gonna do this!

That's what i'm trying to get across, but i seem to be taken up as a smart arse. I'm not.

Keith186

Limerick-man wrote: »

There are hundreds of other things on a car that i would be more concerned about than 11,000 miles.


I work in a garage, i'm a salesman,

Not having a go at you but at the end of the day if it's fraud it's wrong and dishonest and I'd be concerned about the people I'm buying the car off. If they clocked the car puropsely they probably try and cut corners in other places too like cheaper parts for servicing etc.

L-M

Keith186 wrote: »

Not having a go at you but at the end of the day if it's fraud it's wrong and dishonest and I'd be concerned about the people I'm buying the car off. If they clocked the car puropsely they probably try and cut corners in other places too like cheaper parts for servicing etc.

Ugh...

I'll say it once more to be clear.

I'm only trying to make sure the OP has direct evidence to prove his case before he goes around saying this dealer has clocked the car. I'm not trying to say they haven't, just the proof he has, i personally would not rely on.

bagofspanners1

I've been told a few minutes ago that the advertised mileage is on the clock as seen in person by a friend of mine, so there it is......that's what I "KNOW"
As for proof well that's all in writing as an added bonus one of the PDC sensors was replaced 3 weeks ago by a main dealer, they keep records of work and mileage etc
So it looks like the clocker garage has a few questions to answer come tomorrow.

Limerick-man wrote: »

There are hundreds of other things on a car that i would be more concerned about than 11,000 miles. Colour, tax, nct, condition, how well it was looked after.......

The car is NCT'd Taxed and was very well kept, why they took 11k off it all is beyond me, for all the grief they are about to get.[/quote]

Limerick-man wrote: »

I work in a garage, i'm a salesman, i look after the internet side of things. I've often put in the mileage wrong on the cars, it can very easily happen. As mentioned above the whole km's, miles option on carbase can easily catch some one out.

kms and miles catching out a car salesman, a person who works around cars everyday!
that salesman in fairness mustn't be very observant then.

L-M

Oh dear jesus, i was trying to be helpful to stop you making a mistake. Don't be childish and come back saying "that's what i "know" as if you've just accomplised something, as your only just after finding out that information after you made all your accusations. In future, whether you can prove yourself right or wrong in the end, get your information first, then make your accusations.

As for the kms and miles thing, there's an option next to the mileage you type in for either, and it's very easy to forgot to change it from kms to mile etc.

Anan1

bagofspanners1 wrote: »

I've been told a few minutes ago that the advertised mileage is on the clock as seen in person by a friend of mine, so there it is......that's what I "KNOW"
As for proof well that's all in writing as an added bonus one of the PDC sensors was replaced 3 weeks ago by a main dealer, they keep records of work and mileage etc
So it looks like the clocker garage has a few questions to answer come tomorrow.

I'd report them straight away. Don't inform either the garage or the SIMI in advance.

bagofspanners1 wrote: »

kms and miles catching out a car salesman, a person who works around cars everyday!
that salesman in fairness mustn't be very observant then.

Happens all the time, i'm afraid

bagofspanners1

Limerick-man wrote: »

Oh dear jesus, i was trying to be helpful to stop you making a mistake. Don't be childish and come back saying "that's what i "know" as if you've just accomplised something, as your only just after finding out that information after you made all your accusations. In future, whether you can prove yourself right or wrong in the end, get your information first, then make your accusations.

As for the kms and miles thing, there's an option next to the mileage you type in for either, and it's very easy to forgot to change it from kms to mile etc.

ok ok
I understand what your saying (cart horse, shooting myself in the foot and all that).
My brother is a cop tellng him about it today and he said the same as you about the concrete evidence needed.

You're in the business so you would be the right fella to be advised by.
As for the info I have well here goes.
Copies of invoices of
Sevices done
Tyres fitted 2.5 months ago
PDC sensor replaced 3 weeks ago
these are all from the main dealer with mileage included and stamped.
And of course a receipt from the trade-in again with mileage.

Anan1 wrote: »

I'd report them straight away. Don't inform either the garage or the SIMI in advance.

I won't it'll be more of a direct approach.
I just want to be sure they are nailed to the wall and insure there are no loopholes for them to get through.

BlackWizard

I've seen so many mistakes from dealerships when it comes to advertising cars that I find it hard to immediately hop on the murder wagon on this one. But I've seen a few dodgy typos regarding BHP/MPG and suspicious mileages to know that this particular car might of been intentionally inputted wrong or just clocked.

So If I were you, I'd see it for myself. Sit into the vehicle and look at the clock. Then if I'm hungry I might get a free lunch courtesy of the garage for spotting the issue so that it may be amended

edit: Actually since you created this thread and all, I think it's only fair you check out the car in person and let us all know what's on it

-Chris-

Was the car traded-in to the dealer who currently has the car for sale or was there possibly a middle-man involved?

If there's more than one party involved, it'll be very difficult to prove who actually did the clocking.

peanuthead

BlackWizard wrote: »

Could it be a typo or possible mistake?

doubt that, although that is most likely what they will claim

I thought my car had been clocked there a while back. Never thought anything of it when I was buying it, but then I started to look at the floor carpet and the wear around steering wheel, and i was getting suspicious, but i dont think so now.

But sometimes a look at the interior may be a clue if the mileage has seriously been decreased.

Toots

Get on to Consumer Affairs and the Gardaí with your suspicions and let them look after it. If you're sure enough that the car's been clocked then make the report. Nothing much may come of it as regards prosecuting the dealer, but at least it might stop some poor person handing over their hard earned cash for a clocked car.

smash

did you trade in with the dealer who's currently selling it?

bigtimecharlie

A mate of time to me of his cousin who took delivery of a company car in January, put up mega miles and when the company folded by September, the car was returned to the dealer.

A few week's later, he spotted the car at a petrol forecourt and enquired of the owner how the car was going. "Oh, the ex-demonstrator model with low milage is perfect for what I want from it" said the (current) owner. When the previous owner informed the current owner of the car's previous history, they marched off to the local cop shop and six months later the garage was charged in court with clocking the car.

Proof is the key in cases like this but worth chasing up.

ninty9er

There's a lot of garages out there with, for example, 5 dark coloured 07 Mondeos.

Some will be lazy and use the photo from one of them to advertise them all.

Go and see the car, check the mileage and then, IF it's the same car with a mileage difference, report it to the Gardaí and Consumer Affairs.

nads

here 'OP' name or shame or don't even bother starting this thread, pure tease and possible troller here.

name and f*cken shame already, or get the hell out of here, utterly pointless without a name and shame, screw legal implications, do it!

javaboy

peanuthead wrote: »

I started to look at the floor carpet and the wear around steering wheel, and i was getting suspicious, but i dont think so now.

But sometimes a look at the interior may be a clue if the mileage has seriously been decreased.

Completely unreliable in my experience. A woman with rings on her fingers, heavy makeup and heeled shoes could destroy a steering wheel, interior and carpets doing short hops that add up to low mileage. Someone else could be doing huge mileage and never put a scratch on the car.

OT but I think people get a bit too obsessed with mileage. It's not the be all and end all. I'd be more about the state of an engine that's done 3,000 miles a year than one that's done 10,000. There's so many people doing short hops with a cold engine and then when they're selling it, people think the low mileage is great.

peasant

nads wrote: »

here 'OP' name or shame or don't even bother starting this thread, pure tease and possible troller here.

name and f*cken shame already, or get the hell out of here, utterly pointless without a name and shame, screw legal implications, do it!

Nope, no naming and shaming. (as it would only get boards into trouble)

bagofspanners1

nads wrote: »

here 'OP' name or shame or don't even bother starting this thread, pure tease and possible troller here.

name and f*cken shame already, or get the hell out of here, utterly pointless without a name and shame, screw legal implications, do it!

A troller! grow up will you, this isn't a witch hunt lad.

ninty9er wrote: »

Go and see the car, check the mileage and then, IF it's the same car with a mileage difference, report it to the Gardaí and Consumer Affairs.

I'd look a bit strange if I went looking at a car I traded in, wouldn't it.

steve06 wrote: »

did you trade in with the dealer who's currently selling it?

Yes.

AudiChris wrote: »

Was the car traded-in to the dealer who currently has the car for sale or was there possibly a middle-man involved?

If there's more than one party involved, it'll be very difficult to prove who actually did the clocking.

No other party involved

BlackWizard wrote: »

I've seen so many mistakes from dealerships when it comes to advertising cars that I find it hard to immediately hop on the murder wagon on this one. But I've seen a few dodgy typos regarding BHP/MPG and suspicious mileages to know that this particular car might of been intentionally inputted wrong or just clocked.

So If I were you, I'd see it for myself. Sit into the vehicle and look at the clock. Then if I'm hungry I might get a free lunch courtesy of the garage for spotting the issue so that it may be amended

edit: Actually since you created this thread and all, I think it's only fair you check out the car in person and let us all know what's on it

Well as I said the car was mine I traded it in, someone looked at the car yesteday and verified the mileage was changed.
The garage is getting a visit from the Gardai this morning they have all the paperwork and I they reckon they have enough evidence.
I'm just pissed off at the fact that a garage can possibly get away with these things, it's not on at all.

bagofspanners1

peasant wrote: »

Nope, no naming and shaming. (as it would only get boards into trouble)

I'm not putting any names here, what would be the point it's in the hands of the law now.

bagofspanners1

bagofspanners1 wrote: »

I'm not putting any names here, what would be the point it's in the hands of the law now.

I'm assuming since you "traded in" your old car, you got a new one from this garage?? What are you now going to do about that car? can you be sure it is what they say it is?

smash

At this point I wouldn't be worried about him selling your old car after he clocked it - I'd be more worried about the car you traded up to get... can you be sure that your new car isn't clocked?

niceirishfella

OP'squestion is;

I know of a garage in Dublin that has clocked a car and is selling it on their forecourt, what to do?

Answer - Report it immediately.:mad:

milltown

The National Consumer Agency have a great record in this area for getting dealers to say "sorry" and "I won't do it again". Unleash their full wrath on him!

stifz

javaboy wrote: »

Completely unreliable in my experience. A woman with rings on her fingers, heavy makeup and heeled shoes could destroy a steering wheel, interior and carpets doing short hops that add up to low mileage. Someone else could be doing huge mileage and never put a scratch on the car.

OT but I think people get a bit too obsessed with mileage. It's not the be all and end all. I'd be more about the state of an engine that's done 3,000 miles a year than one that's done 10,000. There's so many people doing short hops with a cold engine and then when they're selling it, people think the low mileage is great.

Disagree there mate. I went to see an import 4x4 pajero (notorious for being clocked) about 2 yrs ago. Its was absolutely in bits inside.. The seller ( a garage ) claimed it had 45kms on it!! It was around a 93/95' cant remember exactly. Anyway after a 40 mile drive to see he did'nt exactly get a polite reception when he joined me on the forcourt to view it..

I do agree that mileage is'nt always an indicator of a good vehicle though. a car can do 40k ladened with tools and being dragged out of quarries or sites. Or another can do 100k long in run journeys and be serviced on the button..

I have to say id still look for a cleaner lower mileage car than a cleaner high mileage.. if that makes any sense!

S.I.R

bagofspanners1 wrote: »

I know of a garage in Dublin that has clocked a car and is selling it on their forecourt, what to do?

How do I know it has been clocked, well the car was a trade in when the previous owner handed over the car the mileage was about 11,000 more than what it is being advertised at now, this person has proof of the proper mileage as well (service invoices etc).

We pay enough for cars, insurance, tax, fuel and running costs so why should we have to pay for some greedy garages dodgy dealings as well.
I'm no busybody but in fairness I wouldn't like to buy a motor that was dodgy would you?


The garage in question has been around a few years so how many have they done before that!!

I'm not going to name names (yet).
I just want to see what you petrolheads think should be done?

get the law, prove em guilty then name and shame, everyone in the trade will wash their hands of em

Brabus

bagofspanners1 wrote: »

I'm not putting any names here, what would be the point it's in the hands of the law now.

Keep us updated on the situation OP, can't wait to hear the outcome of this.

bagofspanners1

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm assuming since you "traded in" your old car, you got a new one from this garage?? What are you now going to do about that car? can you be sure it is what they say it is?

steve06 wrote: »

At this point I wouldn't be worried about him selling your old car after he clocked it - I'd be more worried about the car you traded up to get... can you be sure that your new car isn't clocked?

I knew someone would ask that.

I got my new car checked by the AA, they took it away checked it out with a fine tooth comb and came back with a 6 page report on the car, history check, diagnostics, body work etc.
Do you think I would've bought a car because it was shiny and drove well.
I wouldn't buy a car without getting it thoroughly checked first.

bagofspanners1

bagofspanners1 wrote: »

I knew someone would ask that.

I got my new car checked by the AA, they took it away checked it out with a fine tooth comb and came back with a 6 page report on the car, history check, diagnostics, body work etc.
Do you think I would've bought a car because it was shiny and drove well.
I wouldn't buy a car without getting it thoroughly checked first.

well there are hundreds of people who buy on this basis every day and seeing as I don't now you from Adam, yeh, I have no reason to think you wouldn't do the same!

superjosh9

Anan1 wrote: »

What are the actual and advertised mileages? Sometimes it's obvious what happened, ie 100,000 miles to 62,000 miles = miles having been entered as kms.

yeh, it's funny how many car-dealers 'accidently' do that...

Tip: Always ring and confirm mileage *before* make that 2 hour journey to see a car.

L-M

superjosh9 wrote: »

yeh, it's funny how many car-dealers 'accidently' do that...

Tip: Always ring and confirm mileage *before* make that 2 hour journey to see a car.

One of the lads inside put in 144000 miles in as kilometres, and a lad rang, came down from Dublin to see it. Wasn't long leaving *Doesn't take the blame:o*

Omcd

peanuthead wrote: »

doubt that, although that is most likely what they will claim

I thought my car had been clocked there a while back. Never thought anything of it when I was buying it, but then I started to look at the floor carpet and the wear around steering wheel, and i was getting suspicious, but i dont think so now.

But sometimes a look at the interior may be a clue if the mileage has seriously been decreased.

A clue would be if the car apparantly has low mileage but the pedal rubbers are brand new...

magoo1234

its not illegal to sell a clocked car,however it is illegal to sell a clocked car without informing the new owner that the car has been clocked- the charge the gardai would bring is a deception charge-my mate got done