The next generation NFC mobile phone will be your electronic purse.

Run_to_da_hills

We should be quite excited about "NFC phones" that will soon appear on our shelves possibly by mid to late 2009.

These phones will act as an "electronic purses" and can bridge the gap of person to person cashless payments that was deemed impossible just few years ago.

NCF will be marketed as a great convenience tool and they will be desired more than any previous mobile phone that ever existed. They will be heavily subsidised by the governments, the banking sector and of course your service provider.

No more fumbling for change, your very personnel hand held ATM machine, no need to go to the hole in the wall ever again.

Of course it will be loaded with the latest games and gizmo's, TV, videos, MP3s, 10MP zoom camera, massive SSD hdd, touch screen, kitchen sink the lot. etc :rolleyes:

The electronic GSM purse will also eliminate drug dealing, cash robberies, terrorism. ticket touting, the black economy and all other cash related crimes.

http://europe.nokia.com/A4307097

http://www.insideid.com/ecommerce/article.php/3409011

Wagon

One of my mates was writing about that only 2 days ago for a college thing. Pretty mental stuff, I like the idea though. No more going in to change a twenty for some change for the bus or some shyte like that. It's being tested in France already for a few years now.

Also, why did you roll your eyes?

Danbo!

Conspiracy theory forum

Hang on, what just happened?

weeder

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The electronic GSM purse will also eliminate drug dealing, cash robberies, terrorism. ticket touting, the black economy and all other cash related crimes.

it certainly wont

Caoimhín

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The electronic GSM purse will also eliminate drug dealing, cash robberies, terrorism. ticket touting, the black economy and all other cash related crimes.

And the problem is?

Run_to_da_hills

Caoimhín wrote: »

And the problem is?

I will leave you in suspense about it for a few hours

Dragan

Actually it's falling apart under testing but we won't let tiny details like that stop the hype, right.

Wagon

Dragan wrote: »

Actually it's falling apart under testing but we won't let tiny details like that stop the hype, right.

True, from what I heard in France, they didn't implement any real security on the thing. People also just had their bank cards and accounts updated to this sytem without their prior knowledge. So it's not so much the technology as its more the French.

John_Mc

I would be very concerned about the security implications of this. What happens if your phone is stolen?

Zangetsu

This is a terrorable idea tbh... If they put a breathaliser on it then maybe, Laser cards are bad enough!

John_Mc

Zangetsu wrote: »

This is a terrorable idea tbh... If they put a breathaliser on it then maybe, Laser cards are bad enough!

Laser cards are great! Convenient, widely available as a form of payment and secure.

Glowing

Have they not had this in Korea for ages?

Quazzie

Glowing wrote: »

Have they not had this in Korea for ages?

No, thats eating dogs you're thinking of.

Sounds like a great idea IMHO. If its robbed it is no different than having your wallet robbed. I'm assuming a PIN is required for every transaction.

Dragan

Wagon wrote: »

True, from what I heard in France, they didn't implement any real security on the thing. People also just had their bank cards and accounts updated to this sytem without their prior knowledge. So it's not so much the technology as its more the French.

Nokia appear to have taken the stance that it's up to the people who take on the product to provide adequate security in line with their current standards.

They are also having massive problems with cross integration of so many varied systems from banking to mobile communications etc.

Right now, it's a good idea in theory, but a massive lump of crap in reality.

Google Android is a far more interesting and stable concept right now.

Wagon

Dragan wrote: »

Nokia appear to have taken the stance that it's up to the people who take on the product to provide adequate security in line with their current standards.

They are also having massive problems with cross integration of so many varied systems from banking to mobile communications etc.

Right now, it's a good idea in theory, but a massive lump of crap in reality.

Google Android is a far more interesting and stable concept right now.

Just googled it there *high 5 and a saucy wink*Looks interesting. And your right, none of this will take off unless all networks actually take a vow to support it in the next few years. Same thing happened with text messages. Now you can break up with people without having to interact with speech or eye contact! Marvellous invention so it was.

shenanigans1982

Caoimhín wrote: »

And the problem is?

You can't use it to make a phone call...

....or if you can when you place it to your ear it insert a national I.D chip inside your ear which will be used by the government to track your every move.

Run_to_da_hills

Caoimhín wrote: »

And the problem is?

I said ill let you sit on it for a few hours

The downside of using this NCF GSM personal electronic purse is.

Every single consumer item that you purchase will be recorded in a database at POS (point of sale). taken from its corresponding EAN, UPC or Etag reading.

Even the smallest person to person dealings will be logged and recorded on a data base.

The exact location of the purchase transaction is logged, timed and pinpointed to within yards on the planet by GSM tracking and cell site analysis

These phones could usher in the death knell for the freedom of cash around the world as we know it .

A similar "electronic purse" project was introduced in Ennis in 1997 through Visa Cash, It was a card based project that fell flat on its face. At the time no one really wanted to carry a card and the inconvenience of using top up terminals but to day almost everyone uses a mobile. http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/infoage/nocash.htm

Hopefully this system will incur similar problems that will delay its introduction.

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

You can't use it to make a phone call...

....or if you can when you place it to your ear it insert a national I.D chip inside your ear which will be used by the government to track your every move.

You could be correct about this device storing your personal identity. :eek:

The government can track your moves on your mobile already through cell site analysis so it could make sense to incorporate National ID Firmware into the phone. :eek:

cormie

they wont replace cash, nothing ever will, so if you want anonymity, just use hard cash :cool:

thelordofcheese

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I said ill let you sit on it for a few hours

The downside of using this NCF GSM personal electronic purse is.

Every single consumer item that you purchase will be recorded in a database at POS (point of sale). taken from its corresponding EAN, UPC or Etag reading.

Even the smallest person to person dealings will be logged and recorded on a data base.

The exact location of the purchase transaction is logged, timed and pinpointed to within yards on the planet by GSM tracking and cell site analysis

These phones could usher in the death knell for the freedom of cash around the world as we know it .

A similar "electronic purse" project was introduced in Ennis in 1997 through Visa Cash, It was a card based project that fell flat on its face. At the time no one really wanted to carry a card and the inconvenience of using top up terminals but to day almost everyone uses a mobile. http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/infoage/nocash.htm

Hopefully this system will incur similar problems that will delay its introduction.

You could be correct about this device storing your personal identity. :eek:

The government can track your moves on your mobile already through cell site analysis so it could make sense to incorporate National ID Firmware into the phone. :eek:

Goddam, i fucking hate you and everything you post.

Run_to_da_hills

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Goddam, i fucking hate you and everything you post.

Could you do us all a favor, go pack your bags and swim across the Atlantic.:rolleyes:

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I would rather swim to the US than take one of those flying peasant wagons.

thelordofcheese

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Could you do us all a favor, go pack your bags and swim across the Atlantic.:rolleyes:

Only if you promise to get a new hobby.
Or just post about something else. ANYTHING else.

And less emoticons as well, they are a sign of a diseased mind.

CantGetNoSleep

You posted this in the conspiracy theories forum too, could you not just have left it in there rather than double posting it, i'm sure i'm not the only one that couldn't give a f*ck about the sh1t you come in here spouting

Genghiz Cohen

Anyone who thinks they have any sort on anonymity in this day and age needs to wake up.
Every phone call, text messag and email is checked and filtered for keywords.
This won't make a difference.


Also how hard would it be to stand in line with a reciever, collect the data these devices send, go home, decrypt it and spend someone elses money.

Run_to_da_hills

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

You posted this in the conspiracy theories forum too, could you not just have left it in there rather than double posting it, i'm sure I'm not the only one that couldn't give a f*ck about the sh1t you come in here spouting

The thread on this same subject in the Conspiracy theories went into far greater depth on the subject and I didn't think it was appropriate to mention much of its content in AH.

The reason that I brought this topic into AH is because it concerns something that will soon be all the talk of the town.

Quazzie

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The thread on this same subject in the Conspiracy theories went into far greater detail on the subject and I didn't think it was appropriate to mention much of its content in AH.

The reason that I brought this topic into AH is because it concerns something that will soon be all the talk of the town.

Is trying to reach a wider audience not a violation of the charter??

4zn76tysfajdxp

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The reason that I brought this topic into AH is because it concerns something that will soon be all the talk of the town.

Not a very good conspiracy then is it? Which is it, something "the man" wants to hide or the next iPod? Either way it doesn't jusify the double posting.

Wagon

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I said ill let you sit on it for a few hours

The downside of using this NCF GSM personal electronic purse is.

Every single consumer item that you purchase will be recorded in a database at POS (point of sale). taken from its corresponding EAN, UPC or Etag reading.

Even the smallest person to person dealings will be logged and recorded on a data base.

The exact location of the purchase transaction is logged, timed and pinpointed to within yards on the planet by GSM tracking and cell site analysis

These phones could usher in the death knell for the freedom of cash around the world as we know it .

A similar "electronic purse" project was introduced in Ennis in 1997 through Visa Cash, It was a card based project that fell flat on its face. At the time no one really wanted to carry a card and the inconvenience of using top up terminals but to day almost everyone uses a mobile. http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/infoage/nocash.htm

Hopefully this system will incur similar problems that will delay its introduction.

You could be correct about this device storing your personal identity. :eek:

The government can track your moves on your mobile already through cell site analysis so it could make sense to incorporate National ID Firmware into the phone. :eek:

AHHHAHAGGGG:mad::mad::mad::mad: Here i was thinking that you were actually going to start talking about something like a new change in business or leap in technology but ITS ANOTHER ****ING CONSPIRACY!!! **** off and die! :mad:

Run_to_da_hills

Leia Greasy Tenderloin wrote: »

Not a very good conspiracy then is it? Which is it, something "the man" wants to hide or the next iPod? Either way it doesn't jusify the double posting.

The Subject in AH is "The next generation NCF mobile phone will be your electronic purse". And when I started this thread I left the topic open for several hours before I posted my conclusion to the subject. The subject in AH is based on facts from provided links from mobile phone manufacturers. (anyone who knows about GSM Cellphone technology can verify their capabilities.)

The posting in CT is "The next generation "NCF" Mobile phones will eliminate global cash". and is more based on the conspiracy theory of the global take over of the NWO.

togster

You are officially the biggest knob end on boards

Ruu_Old

Sure my 3210 can do most of that stuff.

Run_to_da_hills

Ruu wrote: »

Sure my 3210 can do most of that stuff.

Mine is the 5100