Trick or treater fatally shot

*adele*

Sorry if its been posted!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/01/halloween.slaying.ap/index.html

nlgbbbblth

was he looking for directions?

can be enough to get you killed here.

Vain

Thats crazy. Why do Americans think they have the right to have guns when sh!t like this happens.:mad:

GhostInTheRuins

Because they do have the right to have guns

dr.bollocko

Poor kid really shouldnt have gone out in the JFK costume.

sounds like the guy thought it was drug people after him.. sorry for stating obvious.

*adele*

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

was he looking for directions?

can be enough to get you killed here.

Too true.

Kold

Vain wrote: »

Thats crazy. Why do Americans think they have the right to have guns when sh!t like this happens.:mad:

I thought that until I saw the size of some of the spiders they have over there.

Xavi6

This should be a lesson to all those kids who turn their noses up at monkey nuts.

Galvasean

29 rounds? Bit of an overreaction! :eek:

Ridiculous gun related fatalities in the States seem to be getting more common. Surely there should be some sort of mandatory IQ/mental health test in place that people should have to take before being allowed handle automatics.

ImDave

Jesus: "thought he was being robbed" ... "after hearing a knock on his door".

dr.bollocko

Galvasean wrote: »

29 rounds? Bit of an overreaction! :eek:

Ridiculous gun related fatalities in the States seem to be getting more common. Surely there should be some sort of mandatory IQ/mental health test in place that people should have to take before being allowed handle automatics.

I think they banned assault rifles in private hands in the states. But the legislation that banned it may have expired. The usual "Sunset clause" stuff. Or it may have been a mere byproduct of my whimsical imagination.

PurpleBerry

ImDave wrote: »

Jesus: "thought he was being robbed" ... "after hearing a knock on his door".

Oh yes. In today's polite society the Burglar Etiquitte Code is in full swing.

tallaghtoutlaws

Galvasean wrote: »

29 rounds? Bit of an overreaction! :eek:

Ridiculous gun related fatalities in the States seem to be getting more common. Surely there should be some sort of mandatory IQ/mental health test in place that people should have to take before being allowed handle automatics.

Im pretty sure the fact it was an AK and he was an ex con that gun was illegal. The sad fact is because guns can be legally sold it paves the way for the black market to sell guns alot easier. In some cities and states its easy for a standard Joe to pick up an illegal firearm. Sure I was in Milwaukee there last month and some guy asked me did I want to buy a gun :rolleyes:

Ex cons cannot get legal firearms as anyone with a criminal record are denied.

Myxomatosis

So he's an ex con, obviously still involved with drugs if there's suspicious money lying around, also the fact he's afraid of drug gangs being after him.

He hears a knock on the door and empties his AK-47 THROUGH the door, meaning he didn't have a ****ing clue who was on the other side.

Just execute the ****.

Mossy Monk

Thought he was being robbed because there was a knock on the door? He should be put away.

4zn76tysfajdxp

*adele* wrote: »

Sorry if its been posted!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/01/halloween.slaying.ap/index.html

Was the kid dressed like the Joker or something?

Acid Tongue

Life sucks

peanuthead

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Poor kid really shouldnt have gone out in the JFK costume.

ROTFL

Overheal

Bella Bewildered Keyboard wrote: »

Was the kid dressed like the Joker or something?

The article said 2 of the kids were dressed like ghosts, so might have been mistaken for the KKK or something - and you WONDER why I said that was a bad idea?

Anyone with about 3 grand can make a purchase of an Ak-47 if you have the right permit afaik.

Zillah

Does he empty his assault rifle through the door everytime someone knocks?

Acid Tongue

Zillah wrote: »

Does he empty his assault rifle through the door everytime someone knocks?

No, just when it's probable that there will be children waiting for sweets outside. Did he not even know what day it was??

peanuthead

Overheal wrote: »

The article said 2 of the kids were dressed like ghosts, so might have been mistaken for the KKK or something - and you WONDER why I said that was a bad idea?

Anyone with about 3 grand can make a purchase of an Ak-47 if you have the right permit afaik.

Sure they sell them in the Walmarts over there ffs!! There we were looking for camping gear, when we walked past the gun counter. My OH asked if they were real, and the guy was like, yeah, heres the bullets, see? You want to hold it? On one hand it was kind of cool, holding a real gun, but scary too.

rubadub

What a waste, now if it was some prick posting scam charity collection bags....

Overheal

peanuthead wrote: »

Sure they sell them in the Walmarts over there ffs!! There we were looking for camping gear, when we walked past the gun counter. My OH asked if they were real, and the guy was like, yeah, heres the bullets, see? You want to hold it? On one hand it was kind of cool, holding a real gun, but scary too.

I beleive they do not handle the sale of ammunition however. Basically what you're holding is a really heavy sticked thats otherwised used for hunting deer. Its hardly like you'd ever see an Uzi or an FN P-90 next to the toy section.

peanuthead

oh yeah it wasnt an uzi at all!!! Oh yeah probably just a hunting gun, but still the closest ive ever came to anything like that!!

Overheal

Hunting rifle might be fun. Been to the range with handguns before. Desert Eagle has a hell of a kick.

mumhaabu

Fair play to the guy, Eventually these Trick or Treaters got what is coming to them.... 12 years trick or treating...... yeah right. It is like Halloween is a licence to vandalise other people property. Last year my friends car got badly egged and the bonnet so badly keyed it had to be resprayed.

I was busy this morning washing a house of mine for the 2nd time in 2 days as they hit again last right with a concotion of Eggs, Toilet Paper and Dog Sh*t of all things. I will be staying there tonight to try and catch the culprits, I have the garden hose and two fire extinguishers ready.

Adolescents cannot leave idle property alone and if more of them got revenge dished out then it might stop them turning into dole drawing, dutch gold drinking, tracksuit wearing skobes in later life.

dr.bollocko

mumhaabu wrote: »

Fair play to the guy, Eventually these Trick or Treaters got what is coming to them.... 12 years trick or treating...... yeah right. It is like Halloween is a licence to vandalise other people property. Last year my friends car got badly egged and the bonnet so badly keyed it had to be resprayed.

I was busy this morning washing a house of mine for the 2nd time in 2 days as they hit again last right with a concotion of Eggs, Toilet Paper and Dog Sh*t of all things. I will be staying there tonight to try and catch the culprits, I have the garden hose and two fire extinguishers ready.

Adolescents cannot leave idle property alone and if more of them got revenge dished out then it might stop them turning into dole drawing, dutch gold drinking, tracksuit wearing skobes in later life.

What you need is some elevation and an airsoft pistol. Snipe the ****ers out.

Tar.Aldarion

Still quite happy to to never go to that country.

m@cc@

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Still quite happy to to never go to that country.

I take it you never go to Dublin either. These are still isolated incidents.

SpookyWriter

Or become president.

Galvasean wrote: »

29 rounds? Bit of an overreaction! :eek:

Ridiculous gun related fatalities in the States seem to be getting more common. Surely there should be some sort of mandatory IQ/mental health test in place that people should have to take before being allowed handle automatics.

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

The article said 2 of the kids were dressed like ghosts, so might have been mistaken for the KKK or something - and you WONDER why I said that was a bad idea?

Yeh but you said it was a bad idea for a guy in Ireland to do it AFAIK!!! I don't think that A: he would have been going trick or treating or B: He was likely to get shot with an assault rifle!

America is just so f*cked up

edit: just found out the KKK guy is actually a girl!

Tar.Aldarion

m@cc@ wrote: »

I take it you never go to Dublin either. These are still isolated incidents.

Why would people go there?
Tens of thousands of gun related deaths a year is isolated?
Yes there are 300 million there and a lot is gangs but it's not a great feeling that anybody can pick up a gun. It's not the amount of % killings with a gun, it's that any retard that gets angry can shoot at somebody.

jiltloop

Maybe the kid was dressed as a burglar.

randylonghorn

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Because they do have the right to have guns

And this: "An ex-convict who said he thought he was being robbed gunned down a 12-year-old trick-or-treater, spraying nearly 30 rounds with an assault rifle from inside his home after hearing a knock on the door" is a fairly good argument why the gun laws should be tightened up immensely. Hopefully Obama will have the cojones to do something about it.

mumhaabu wrote: »

Fair play to the guy, Eventually these Trick or Treaters got what is coming to them.... 12 years trick or treating...... yeah right. It is like Halloween is a licence to vandalise other people property. Last year my friends car got badly egged and the bonnet so badly keyed it had to be resprayed.

I was busy this morning washing a house of mine for the 2nd time in 2 days as they hit again last right with a concotion of Eggs, Toilet Paper and Dog Sh*t of all things. I will be staying there tonight to try and catch the culprits, I have the garden hose and two fire extinguishers ready.

Adolescents cannot leave idle property alone and if more of them got revenge dished out then it might stop them turning into dole drawing, dutch gold drinking, tracksuit wearing skobes in later life.

Mumhaabu, I am sorry that your property was targetted by young brats, but do you really think that justifies saying "Fair play to the guy" who shot 30 rounds through his front door at a 12-year old kid who, under the supervision of his parent, knocked politely on it?

"If more of them got revenge dished out" ... for what, exactly, in this case?

CHD

mumhaabu wrote: »

Fair play to the guy, Eventually these Trick or Treaters got what is coming to them.... 12 years trick or treating...... yeah right. It is like Halloween is a licence to vandalise other people property. Last year my friends car got badly egged and the bonnet so badly keyed it had to be resprayed.

I was busy this morning washing a house of mine for the 2nd time in 2 days as they hit again last right with a concotion of Eggs, Toilet Paper and Dog Sh*t of all things. I will be staying there tonight to try and catch the culprits, I have the garden hose and two fire extinguishers ready.

Adolescents cannot leave idle property alone and if more of them got revenge dished out then it might stop them turning into dole drawing, dutch gold drinking, tracksuit wearing skobes in later life.

Im glad you get egged alot.

brendansmith

mumhaabu wrote: »

Fair play to the guy, Eventually these Trick or Treaters got what is coming to them.... 12 years trick or treating...... yeah right. It is like Halloween is a licence to vandalise other people property. Last year my friends car got badly egged and the bonnet so badly keyed it had to be resprayed.

I was busy this morning washing a house of mine for the 2nd time in 2 days as they hit again last right with a concotion of Eggs, Toilet Paper and Dog Sh*t of all things. I will be staying there tonight to try and catch the culprits, I have the garden hose and two fire extinguishers ready.

Adolescents cannot leave idle property alone and if more of them got revenge dished out then it might stop them turning into dole drawing, dutch gold drinking, tracksuit wearing skobes in later life.

Yo dude! Got your tickets for hadouken yet? Masterslam J says its gonna be off the chain for real!

phasers

Police Chief Patty Patterson

best name ever

mumhaabu

CHD wrote: »

Im glad you get egged alot.

randylonghorn wrote: »

And this: "An ex-convict who said he thought he was being robbed gunned down a 12-year-old trick-or-treater, spraying nearly 30 rounds with an assault rifle from inside his home after hearing a knock on the door" is a fairly good argument why the gun laws should be tightened up immensely. Hopefully Obama will have the cojones to do something about it.

Mumhaabu, I am sorry that your property was targetted by young brats, but do you really think that justifies saying "Fair play to the guy" who shot 30 rounds through his front door at a 12-year old kid who, under the supervision of his parent, knocked politely on it?

"If more of them got revenge dished out" ... for what, exactly, in this case?

Ever heard of the word tongue in cheek?

No kid obviously should be shot and killed but he probably snapped and had a gun in his possession and unfortunately that happened. 12 year olds don't trick or treat they go out to cause mayhem, and similar scenes are often seen outside youth club and boxing arenas. They do however need manners put into them and if this involves a few wallops then so be it.

Manic Moran

randylonghorn wrote: »

And this: "An ex-convict who said he thought he was being robbed gunned down a 12-year-old trick-or-treater, spraying nearly 30 rounds with an assault rifle from inside his home after hearing a knock on the door" is a fairly good argument why the gun laws should be tightened up immensely. Hopefully Obama will have the cojones to do something about it.

At the risk of pointing out the bloody obvious, he was already breaking a few laws. Ex-cons are legally prohibited from purchasing or posessing firearms, so he didn't exactly pick this up at the local Guns-R-Us. What would make one think that more laws would make any difference?

I doubt the Democratic leadership will touch gun control with an eleven-foot barge pole. The much-trumpeted 2006 swing in Congress was not as big as the one in 1996, and gun control was heavily credited (By both Clinton and DNC) for that reversal.

Anyone with about 3 grand can make a purchase of an Ak-47 if you have the right permit afaik

You need to live in the right State, have the right permits, and an AK-47 assault rifle (as opposed to semi-auto) is going to set you back closer to $11,000. (A quick check on gunsamerica shows AKs going for between $11,500 and $18,500)

I don't know about you, but I don't have that sort of money to spend on a rifle.

NTM

daveharnett

randylonghorn wrote: »

And this: "An ex-convict who said he thought he was being robbed gunned down a 12-year-old trick-or-treater, spraying nearly 30 rounds with an assault rifle from inside his home after hearing a knock on the door" is a fairly good argument why the gun laws should be tightened up immensely. Hopefully Obama will have the cojones to do something about it.

I would like to make the point that US gun law did not allow this man to have the weapon - he had it illegally. How would stricter laws have helped in this case?

There is an argument to be made that the country would be worse off if only guys like that (ie criminals) were armed. Not a very good argument nor not one that i'd make, mind you. My point is that incident doesn't particularly strengthen the case for greater gun control.

DarkJager

Firing 30 rounds of an AK through your own front door after hearing a knock?? Pfft, thats just another day in Moyross lads....

The_B_Man

daveharnett wrote: »

I would like to make the point that US gun law did not allow this man to have the weapon - he had it illegally. How would stricter laws have helped in this case?

There is an argument to be made that the country would be worse off if only guys like that (ie criminals) were armed. Not a very good argument nor not one that i'd make, mind you. My point is that incident doesn't particularly strengthen the case for greater gun control.

Well then there'd be less guns in the country for civilians, so he probably wouldnt have had one!

Dr_Teeth

The_B_Man wrote: »

Well then there'd be less guns in the country for civilians, so he probably wouldnt have had one!

Going by that logic, drug dealers in the UK mustn't have any guns at all, seeing as how they're banned.. oh wait..

Maybe criminals don't obey gun laws and can get whatever they like? hmm?

S.I.R

*adele* wrote: »

Sorry if its been posted!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/01/halloween.slaying.ap/index.html

that aoughta stop him from egging some houses... :rolleyes:

The_B_Man

Dr_Teeth wrote: »

Going by that logic, drug dealers in the UK mustn't have any guns at all, seeing as how they're banned.. oh wait..

Maybe criminals don't obey gun laws and can get whatever they like? hmm?

Theres limited guns in that scenario. Applying that to the US, theres less of a chance that this guy would have had a gun in the first place, let alone a bleedin AK47!

Having guns legalised increases the number of guns on the market. In the UK, they all probably have to be smuggled in, so the point im making is that there is less of them around, so you have less of a chance of encountering a crazy fu**er with an AK!!

YeatsCounty

mumhaabu wrote: »

Ever heard of the word tongue in cheek?

No kid obviously should be shot and killed but he probably snapped and had a gun in his possession and unfortunately that happened. 12 year olds don't trick or treat they go out to cause mayhem, and similar scenes are often seen outside youth club and boxing arenas. They do however need manners put into them and if this involves a few wallops then so be it.

Wow.

Just........wow.

Capt'n Midnight

Manic Moran wrote:

You need to live in the right State, have the right permits, and an AK-47 assault rifle (as opposed to semi-auto) is going to set you back closer to $11,000. (A quick check on gunsamerica shows AKs going for between $11,500 and $18,500)

I don't know about you, but I don't have that sort of money to spend on a rifle.

NTM

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ScumLord

The kid did ask for it in fairness.

YeatsCounty

ScumLord wrote: »

The kid did ask for it in fairness.

Ah, that famous AH wit. Sparkling, like a fine champagne.


The murder of an innocent child is no joking matter, AH or not.