Dublin Riots?

wicklaman83

anyone hear anything about the riots on dorset street.many injured etc.heard there was dis-order round finglas aswell

kaiser soza

People are fighting outside my house right now, I hate living in Dublin!

yayamark

pity we cant watch it on the cctv!:(

metman

Hallowe'en attacks on Emergency Services

Saturday, 1 November 2008 07:57

The emergency services have been dealing with fires as well as attacks on police and fire officers during Hallowe'en night.

Two gardaí have been taken to hospital after they were injured following an altercation with a group of people in Dublin. The two gardaí were on foot patrol when they were attacked by a group of seven or eight people just after midnight on Dorset Street. The two gardai were taken to the Mater hospital for treatment.

In Sherriff Street in the north inner city a fireman was injured and a fire engine was attacked by a gang of youths as the emergency services attempted to put out an extended bonfire there at around 9pm.

The fire officer is believed to have received an eye injury and was admitted to hospital. The windscreen of the fire engine was smashed in the attack.

The Dublin Fire Service reported up to six knife attacks and that 40% of calls related to assaults, many of them resulting in head injuries.

The ambulance service received more than 500 calls. Up to 50 cars were set on fire in the capital. The Fire services also dealt with three significant blazes in Dublin.

One at a factory at Castleforbes Road near the Point Depot, the second at derelict apartments in O'Devaney Gardens close to Arbour Hill in the north inner city and the third at the Westen Inn off Mountjoy Square.

The Fire Service also reported bales of hay being dragged on to a road in Co Monaghan and set alight.

In Northern Ireland, police officers were attacked with petrol bombs and fireworks in Crossmaglen, Co Armagh shortly last night.

The PSNI says it believed a fire at a tyre depot on the Corrody Road in Derry was started deliberately.

The Fire Service of Northern Ireland said that its regional control centre in Lisburn received a call approximately every minute last night.
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Halloween is just another excuse for the scum to go on the rampage.

Vorsprung

Find these guys.
Lock them up.
Absolutely sick.

donvito99

Any Gardai, PSNI officers have any interesting tales about yesterday.

scumbags. Too many of them in Dublin

Dave!

Don't ya just love Halloween...? :rolleyes:

deadwood

Dave! wrote: »

Don't ya just love Halloween...? :rolleyes:

Ah, it's tradition. Those little scamps!

donvito99

RTE.IE


The estimated cost of damage caused during Hallowe'en is expected to run into millions of euro.
During a night of violence in Dublin three buildings were set alight including a factory and dozens of cars were torched.
Dublin City Council estimate the clean-up operation alone will cost close to €1m.
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The emergency services dealt with fires as well as attacks on police and fire officers during the night.
Two gardaí were taken to hospital after they were injured following an altercation with a group of people in Dublin.
The two gardaí were on foot patrol when they were attacked by a group of people just after midnight on Dorset Street.
Ten people were arrested at the scene.
The two gardaí were taken to the Mater hospital for treatment.
In Sherriff Street in the north inner city a fireman was injured and a fire engine was attacked by a gang of youths as the emergency services attempted to put out an extended bonfire there at around 9pm.
The fire officer is believed to have received an eye injury and was admitted to hospital.
The windscreen of the fire engine was smashed in the attack.
Fire services were called out to over 800 incidents in Dublin.
The Dublin Fire Service reported up to six knife attacks and that 40% of calls related to assaults, many of them resulting in head injuries.
The ambulance service received more than 500 calls and up to 50 cars were set on fire in the capital.
The Fire Services also dealt with three significant blazes in Dublin.
One at a factory at Castleforbes Road near the Point Depot, the second at derelict apartments in O'Devaney Gardens close to Arbour Hill in the north inner city and the third at the Westen Inn off Mountjoy Square.
Meanwhile, gardaí were called to an incident at Bianconi Drive, Clonmel where a bonfire was alight.
Up to 30 youths were at the scene and four gardaí were assaulted during the incident.
One garda is currently being treated at Waterford Regional Hospital with a fractured eye socket and three others had lacerations to their bodies but have since been released.

The Fire Service also reported bales of hay being dragged on to a road in Co Monaghan and set alight.
In Northern Ireland, police officers were attacked with petrol bombs and fireworks in Crossmaglen, Co Armagh shortly last night.
The PSNI says it believed a fire at a tyre depot on the Corrody Road in Derry was started deliberately.
The Fire Service of Northern Ireland said that its regional control centre in Lisburn received a call approximately every minute last night.


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The sooner Guards get spray the better.

djtechnics1210

Should have been public order units out on standby all over the country last night. The trouble makers don't like when they see the lads in the balaclavas dressed head to toe in black bailing out of public order vans. Another fault of management though, this is what happens when budget is cut = less gardai on the street = more trouble.

wicklaman83

there was public order units on.at least there was in dublin and wicklow anyway.is there any reason why you say there wasnt

djtechnics1210

Did Wicklow have a proper public order unit out last night or was it 3 uniform in a van with a few shields and helmets thrown in the back. Well done to the Super down their if he put a full one out, I know that divisions in dublin had public order units/vans out last night but there were very few divisions/districts outside dmr with a public order unit deployed last night. Suppose its up to each super to sanction it, its a lot of money to put out public order units as most lads will be on ot/sub etc.

TheNog

In my district we had 6 cars and the public order van out. High visibility throughout the district and the night passed off peacefully.

djtechnics1210

Thats what ya need Nog, when theres high visibility and lots of mobiles, trouble makers know that we're out in force and that if trouble starts their be plenty of members around to help out, its great when you hear the troublemakers commenting on how many guards are around, those nights are always peaceful. Fair play to management in your district for putting out that many members etc. I was always a believer that nights like halloween are when ya need as many marked mobiles out as ya can. No point having loads of unmarked cars out .

pokerface_me

12 blokes outta their head on drink and God knows what else punching the nut off each other and you people call it a riot. Cop yourselfs on will ya, wonder what you would call a proper riot. There's bigger ''RIOTS'' in my local every weekend and it doesn't make the local newsletter.

utick

pokerface_me wrote: »

12 blokes outta their head on drink and God knows what else punching the nut off each other and you people call it a riot. Cop yourselfs on will ya, wonder what you would call a proper riot. There's bigger ''RIOTS'' in my local every weekend and it doesn't make the local newsletter.

''Fire services were called out to over 800 incidents in Dublin.
The Dublin Fire Service reported up to six knife attacks and that 40% of calls related to assaults, many of them resulting in head injuries.
The ambulance service received more than 500 calls and up to 50 cars were set on fire in the capital.''

if that doesnt sound like rioting to you please tell me what you would consider rioting

djtechnics1210

pokerface_me wrote: »

12 blokes outta their head on drink and God knows what else punching the nut off each other and you people call it a riot. Cop yourselfs on will ya, wonder what you would call a proper riot. There's bigger ''RIOTS'' in my local every weekend and it doesn't make the local newsletter.

And i suppose you break up all them riots in your local do ya, you wouldn't be saying that if you yourself or one of your family were one of people in hospital after getting injured. suppose you'd handle yourself fierce well if we put you into "the 12 blokes outta their head on drink and God knows what else punching the nut off each other".

If you have nothing productive to add then keep your comments to yourself.

wicklaman83

pokerface_me wrote: »

12 blokes outta their head on drink and God knows what else punching the nut off each other and you people call it a riot. Cop yourselfs on will ya, wonder what you would call a proper riot. There's bigger ''RIOTS'' in my local every weekend and it doesn't make the local newsletter.

tell me do they have the riot squad with shields and batons out in your local.do they have clowns firing missiles at the same guards.do they close the roads off near your local.do they have 40/50 uniformed and plain clothes guards standing behind the public order vans while there is cars burning out in the middle of the street.

please answer that cause thats what i witnessed myself on the rathoath rd and dorset st last night so do me a favour and YOU COP ON

petergfiffin

It's about time the gloves came off with these scumbags but then you'd have people screaming Garda brutality (I'm not a Guard btw). Could we bring the French CRS over on a "cultural" exchange for the night?:p Having seen them up close in action I wouldn't fancy being on the receiving end!!
I think we need to seriously think about introducing a curfew for Halloween but then you'd have the civil liberties crowd up in arms (shame they only think about the rights of criminals but that's another rant!). I'm getting sick and tired of the way the scum in this country seem to be taking over while the politicians and judges keep their heads buried well and truly in the sand (amongst other places).....absolutely makes my blood boil!!!:mad:

pokerface_me

Why were there 50 Guards standing behind there vans and cars while they got burned out and don't tell me because the scumers were throwing stones??? I agree time to take the gloves off with these scumbags, but you have to open your eyes to, is these scum don't give a flute, where are they tonight??? Back drinking on the streets probably. How many were arrested???? How many are in cells tonight??? Scumbags are taken over the place because they are allowed.......Gardai standing behind there cars...tell me who's afraid of who.

djtechnics1210

Its a small thing called health and safety = you dont see firemen running into burning houses without the proper equipment, you haven't a clue about anything regarding AGS and I think people should just ignore poker face because he obviously has nothing worthwhile to add to this forum and from his attitude it appears that he is not a member of an emergency service. "The ones that slate the Garda are always the first to call them when something happens".

pokerface_me

utick wrote: »

''Fire services were called out to over 800 incidents in Dublin.
The Dublin Fire Service reported up to six knife attacks and that 40% of calls related to assaults, many of them resulting in head injuries.
The ambulance service received more than 500 calls and up to 50 cars were set on fire in the capital.''

if that doesnt sound like rioting to you please tell me what you would consider rioting

800 incidents = how many where bonfires causing nobody any bother only busy bodys wasting our resources.

6 knife attacks, i'm sure there is plenty of stabbings every weekend.

40% were assaults probably the same percentage for every Friday night.

50 cars burned out, probably 50 cars burned out every weekend around Dublin.

Riot em yep ok.

djtechnics1210

pokerface_me wrote: »

800 incidents = how many where bonfires causing nobody any bother only busy bodys wasting our resources.

40% were assaults probably the same percentage for every Friday night.

50 cars burned out, probably 50 cars burned out every weekend around Dublin.

Riot em yep ok.

What resource would you include yourself in... are you a member of an ES????

pokerface_me

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

And i suppose you break up all them riots in your local do ya, you wouldn't be saying that if you yourself or one of your family were one of people in hospital after getting injured. suppose you'd handle yourself fierce well if we put you into "the 12 blokes outta their head on drink and God knows what else punching the nut off each other".

If you have nothing productive to add then keep your comments to yourself.

No i wouldn't get involved mate i'm not paid to sort out fights, there is guys called the Gardai that do that when there not hiding behind vans incase they get hit with something.

TheNog

pokerface_me wrote: »

Gardai standing behind there cars...tell me who's afraid of who.

this is not a competition ye know.

any more flaming from you will earn you a ban from this forum. If you have anything constructive to say then say it.

pokerface_me

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

What resource would you include yourself in... are you a member of an ES????

No to be honest, all the money in the world wouldn't pay me to do it, you get no back up from the Judges, courts. The scumbags just laugh in your face. They know nothing is going to happen.

People that join the ES know damn well what they are getting into, if you can stand the heat get out of the kitchen i say.

pokerface_me

TheNog wrote: »

this is not a competition ye know.

any more flaming from you will earn you a ban from this forum. If you have anything constructive to say then say it.

Banned why?? Because i don't agree it was a riot.

Sorry if i offended anyone but i call a spade when i see it. I have the upmost respect for those protect me and my family day in day out, but a time as come to show them who is the law and punish them otherwise you will have this converstion day in day out for years to come.
Once again apologys

djtechnics1210

Then clearly you shouldn't make comments when you have no operational experience to back it up. you have never been in a confrontational situation like that and have never had to deal with it so you really have no right to comment about members being scared and hiding behind vans as you called it. And just to let you know its operational procedure for all members not part of the deployed public order unit to stay behind said public order unit so this is probably the real reason the members were behind vans.

pokerface_me

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

Then clearly you shouldn't make comments when you have no operational experience to back it up. you have never been in a confrontational situation like that and have never had to deal with it so you really have no right to comment about members being scared and hiding behind vans as you called it. And just to let you know its operational procedure for all members not part of the deployed public order unit to stay behind said public order unit so this is probably the real reason the members were behind vans.

But that doesn't make sense to me, right there safety is of upmost importance i understand that, but what does the ordinary Joe bloggs think when he hears or see's this, look man you got me wrong i'm on the Gardai and Firemans side here, but they should be allowed to enforce the law of the land by any means. And standing behind vans while thugs run amok doesn't give me much confidence. The country is going downhill unfortunatly and its about time the Guards were given more power to enforce the law.

wicklaman83

darren254 wrote: »

tell me do they have the riot squad with shields and batons out in your local.do they have clowns firing missiles at the same guards.do they close the roads off near your local.do they have 40/50 uniformed and plain clothes guards standing behind the public order vans while there is cars burning out in the middle of the street.

please answer that cause thats what i witnessed myself on the rathoath rd and dorset st last night so do me a favour and YOU COP ON

again ill ask.is this a typical night at your local.please describe a riot in your eyes.the 50 guards were standing behind vans as there WAS stones and other missiles thrown at them but there was another section of guards wearing their helmets etc in front of vans so they werent just standing there looking at the trouble or the cars being burnt out.your hardly telling me you expect them to rush them

TheNog

pokerface_me wrote: »

Banned why?? Because i don't agree it was a riot.

You will be banned for any further flaming comments such as the one I highlighted in my first reply to you.

By your own admission in post 16 there was 12 people involved. Section 14 of the Public Order Act states that 12 or more people are required for a riot.

pokerface_me wrote: »

Sorry if i offended anyone but i call a spade when i see it. I have the upmost respect for those protect me and my family day in day out, but a time as come to show them who is the law and punish them otherwise you will have this converstion day in day out for years to come.
Once again apologys

Apology accepted. As I said constructive debate and comments are more than welcome.

As for 50 Gardai or more watching a riot or disturbance taking place, there would have been a health and safety concern to send in 50 Gardai without protective clothing. They were probably waiting for the public order units to arrive.

pokerface_me

Understood Nog no problem, look guys keep up the good work but its time to get tougher on the scumbags.

Hagar

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

Its a small thing called health and safety = you dont see firemen running into burning houses without the proper equipment, you haven't a clue about anything regarding AGS and I think people should just ignore poker face because he obviously has nothing worthwhile to add to this forum and from his attitude it appears that he is not a member of an emergency service. "The ones that slate the Garda are always the first to call them when something happens".

Is this forum not open to the public?
Members of the public express their dissatisfaction with the Gardaí because they are not getting the protection they feel they deserve. I'm sure the Gardaí have reasons for what they do or don't do but they ring hollow when you are watching reported lawlessness outside your doorstep but no-one turns up despite repeated calls.

And today's excuse is...Health and safety... yours or ours?

pokerface_me

darren254 wrote: »

again ill ask.is this a typical night at your local.please describe a riot in your eyes.the 50 guards were standing behind vans as there WAS stones and other missiles thrown at them but there was another section of guards wearing their helmets etc in front of vans so they werent just standing there looking at the trouble or the cars being burnt out.your hardly telling me you expect them to rush them

Darren i don't have the answers mate but if standing there doing nothing is the answer, well so be it.

TheNog

pokerface_me wrote: »

Understood Nog no problem, look guys keep up the good work but its time to get tougher on the scumbags.

pokerface there is not one person here that would disagree with you but unfortunately the get tough approach has to come from the courts, not the gardai.

Hagar wrote: »

Is this forum not open to the public?
Members of the public express their dissatisfaction with the Gardaí because they are not getting the protection they feel they deserve. I'm sure the Gardaí have reasons for what they do or don't do but they ring hollow when you are watching reported lawlessness outside your doorstep but no-one turns up despite repeated calls.

And today's excuse is...Health and safety... yours or ours?

Hagar

if people are firing missiles then uniform Gardai will not be allowed to go in charging simply because they would not be properly equipped for it. The Public Order units however are equipped to go into situations such as described above.

Sometimes calls have to be prioritised by the uniform members so the lesser serious of calls go to the back of the list. Many calls we receive are so non specific such as "someone threw a banger at my window but I didn't see them" and are usually not worth going to. A simple drive-by could sort it out but tbh most times it doesn't.

The types of calls I am talking about above would be something like a fight, bangers being thrown, a drunk driver and a domestic with kids in the house.
The priority would be like this:

Domestic involving kids: can take 2+hrs if you are taking the kids into care
Drunk Driver: once arrested the car is off the road for an hour
Fight: can take 5 minutes to send everyone on their way. If one or more are arrested, the car is off the road for a good 30 minutes
Banger at the window: realistically no one is going to be caught as there is usually no description of the youths so nothing to go on.

metman

Hagar wrote: »

And today's excuse is...Health and safety... yours or ours?

This is the system we operate within.

Many officers would love to be free to wade into the fray and dish out some street justice, but when that type of policing is carried out, complaints are made, excessive force and police brutality become the buzzwords and the bleeding hearts start shouting about human rights abuses, heavy-handed cops blah blah blah. Ultimately a society gets the police service it deserves. Operationally in public order incidents police operate under a chain of command. Units will be required to await the order to kit up (if Public Order trained) or go in. Very frustrating for officers on the ground, but again, not the fault of individual officers.

As regards health and safety, ours or yours? When I'm at work my safety and that of my colleagues is paramount to me. If we're taken out of the equation through injury/death then joe public is stuffed.
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djtechnics1210

Hagar wrote: »

Is this forum not open to the public?
Members of the public express their dissatisfaction with the Gardaí because they are not getting the protection they feel they deserve. I'm sure the Gardaí have reasons for what they do or don't do but they ring hollow when you are watching reported lawlessness outside your doorstep but no-one turns up despite repeated calls.

And today's excuse is...Health and safety... yours or ours?

i can see how it looks to the public looking on but my point was that if theres a public order unit in front of the members then under health and safety they are not going to come out from behind vans. Its also very easy for us to all post comments hear about what we think,but its a totally different story when your there its a whole different thing, also the plain clothes members if they were armed they aren't even supposed to be in a public order situation, but thats a totally different point. As for the health and safety aspect if some member decides to break ranks and run out into the crowd like some people are suggesting - rock or bottle hits member in the head down he/she goes and then the situation gets even worse - better off waiting for the people that are trained to deal with the situation to deploy. id love to hear from any members that were there etc. Im all open to a good healthy debate/chat

Hagar

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

i can see how it looks to the public looking on but my point was that if theres a public order unit in front of the members then under health and safety they are not going to come out from behind vans.

Bigger vans is the answer then, at least you will sleep safely tonight.

djtechnics1210

Im not even going to get into what members do on a daily basis involving risking their personal safety for people that don't even appreciate it. Their are members of AGS that go beyond what is expected of them day in day out but of course that never makes the papers and if it does its probably a two line article.

Hagar

Do the job or quit. Same as everyone else.

djtechnics1210

Hagar wrote: »

Do the job or quit. Same as everyone else.

Your a mod so im not going to argue with ya. I'll talk to ES personal about ES situations.

Hagar

Forget my modship, hell I used to Mod this forum, are you not answerable to Joe Public?
Or do you just think you are not answerable to Joe Public?

Esel

Hagar, have we been drinking? Not your usual form, tbh.

Tannylan

just a nomal nite in dublin to be hosent defo not a riot

TheNog

Hagar wrote: »

Do the job or quit. Same as everyone else.

Hagar that comment is unfair and naive. DJtechnics is right in saying that there have been many, many occasions where gardai, emt, fire service, etc have put their own lives at serious risk to save another.

Also if you think that the job of the ES is like any other, you are very much mistaken. To prove my point, we are exempt from the Health and Safety laws in Ireland simply because of the dangers we face.

Tannylan

bull s^it

TheNog

Tannylan wrote: »

bull s^it

come again?

dsane1

Nog if your exempt are the army exempt also ,and if so how did the deafness claims succeed? Sorry if its off on a tangent ,just interested .

Hagar

Your're right, it's not my normal style, sometimes some things just seem so wrong that you have to comment. Maybe I should just go away before I make somebody uncomfortable.

Last thing before I go, a lot of honest people fear the Gardaí, a lot of honest people don't trust the Gardai, a lot of honest people can't rely on the Gardaí for the protection they expect. Who's fault is that?

I'll say no more, there's cleverer people than I ready to give answers.

TheNog

dsane1 wrote: »

Nog if your exempt are the army exempt also ,and if so how did the deafness claims succeed? Sorry if its off on a tangent ,just interested .

TBH I don't know but I would imagine the Army is included due to the nature of their job too.

As for the deafness claims - Gardai, army, emt etc are afforded basic health and safety rules, common sense things like as in the army - ear plugs, gardai - legal tyres for the cars etc.