RE-5 Set to be re-textured?

Nick_oliveri

No its not official. Relax. But in light of the recent LBP fiasco, i thought it would be good to discuss the issue of PC ****e.

After reading this article im sick to my balls. Its the same with the Danish cartoon thing its a form of art, not anti cultural or racist. This game is a statement of beauty, of physics, graphics, storyline and disturbing imagery, not racism.

Should they change the textures to white, yellow or purple because of freakish ignorant PC zombie brigade idiots on teh hinternets? NO, but theres a possiblility that they will given recent previously stated events. No company wants this and they will do much to save face.

If theres a similar thread please reply and i will ask a mod to delete this one.

mayordenis

For a game marketed to children and young adults

I wouldn't worry about any article written by a games journalist who thinks RE5 is marketed towards children.

Pyr0

I read about this back when it was first announced, tbh some people just look for any excuse to shout "racist" at large entertainment companies any chance they get.

mayordenis

Pyr0 wrote: »

I read about this back when it was first announced, tbh some people just look for any excuse to shout "racist" at large entertainment companies any chance they get.

what do you mean by "some people"?
You're the racist.

Aye everyone is a racist now based on the opinions of everyone.

thelordofcheese

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

No its not official. Relax. But in light of the recent LBP fiasco, i thought it would be good to discuss the issue of PC ****e.

After reading this article im sick to my balls. Its the same with the Danish cartoon thing its a form of art, not anti cultural or racist. This game is a statement of beauty, of physics, graphics, storyline and disturbing imagery, not racism.

Should they change the textures to white, yellow or purple because of freakish ignorant PC zombie brigade idiots on teh hinternets? NO, but theres a possiblility that they will given recent previously stated events. No company wants this and they will do much to save face.

If theres a similar thread please reply and i will ask a mod to delete this one.

If the game is, as you claim "a statement of beauty, of physics, graphics, storyline and disturbing imagery, not racism" then what does it matter if they retexture the game?
If, as you claim, race is unimportant then a retexturing shouldn't affect it in the slightest, it's still the same game.

Also - the comparisons to the slight delay with LBP is superficial at best.

KilOit

thelordofcheese wrote: »

If the game is, as you claim "a statement of beauty, of physics, graphics, storyline and disturbing imagery, not racism" then what does it matter if they retexture the game?
If, as you claim, race is unimportant then a retexturing shouldn't affect it in the slightest, it's still the same game.

Also - the comparisons to the slight delay with LBP is superficial at best.

Companies shouldn't give in to these racists, if you let them get the better of you they'll keep doing it.

Vic Vinegar

It's bloody ridiculous! :mad: wtf.....

Mark Hamill

The other side of this argument claims that the logical consistency of the storyline is largely irrelevant since it still depicts black people as savage inhuman killing machines and forces the player to fight and kill them.

The producers should just point out that the people calling RE5 racist are in fact racist themselves. Seeing as there where no complaints for the REs set in America, with Americans as the "savage inhuman killing machines", in Spain, with the Spanish as "savage inhuman killing machines" and the only complaints are for RE5 which has Africans as the "savage inhuman killing machines" this means that the people making the complaints believe that while its ok to have "savage inhuman killing machines" from America and Spain (ie with people who are white or latino), Africa is a no go (ie because the people depicted are black). This is racism (It works both ways).
If the textures are changed, I think that everyone should boycott the game as a stand against this kind of racism.I will.

thelordofcheese wrote:

If the game is, as you claim "a statement of beauty, of physics, graphics, storyline and disturbing imagery, not racism" then what does it matter if they retexture the game?
If, as you claim, race is unimportant then a retexturing shouldn't affect it in the slightest, it's still the same game.

While the gameplay would be unchanged if the textures are changed, it would effect the storyline to have all the characters made white in a game set in Africa.

Vic Vinegar

Mark Hamill wrote: »

it would effect the storyline to have all the characters made white in a game set in Africa.

Surely that would be racist too, having only white people depicted in Africa? people should just get a frigging life I reckon. Unbelievable this sh1te!

miju

I really don't get this at all. It's not as if there hasn't been african zombies in other RE episodes (or even zombie films for that matter)

Another example of politcal correctness gone wrong

thelordofcheese

Mark Hamill wrote: »

The producers should just point out that the people calling RE5 racist are in fact racist themselves. Seeing as there where no complaints for the REs set in America, with Americans as the "savage inhuman killing machines", in Spain, with the Spanish as "savage inhuman killing machines" and the only complaints are for RE5 which has Africans as the "savage inhuman killing machines" this means that the people making the complaints believe that while its ok to have "savage inhuman killing machines" from America and Spain (ie with people who are white or latino), Africa is a no go (ie because the people depicted are black). This is racism (It works both ways).
If the textures are changed, I think that everyone should boycott the game as a stand against this kind of racism.I will.

The resident evil games with shamblers don't really count. They're hardly the same as the new zombies of RE4 and 5, you know, the ones that havn't had their humanity stripped away by being undead monsters.

Since the RE zombies stopped being the recognisable classic romero zombies things have gotten a bit different. Really, unless you were aware of the mythos of the RE games, RE4 could be boilded down into "White guy kills spanish people", especially seeing as it takes a while for the parasites to actually appear in the game, which is the justification for why it's ok to go killing them all.

I can see why people might think that RE5 could be dicey. Without knowing the mythos it can easilly be boiled down to "White guy kills black people".
And lets face it, that's EXACTLY what all the trailers have shown. We know the score, we're gamers. But that's not the point.

Also, your logic doesn't really hold up at all. excluding the original games, the whole "if you didn't complain then you're a racist if you complain now" is rubbish. People only complain *if* it affects them, that's natural and normal. Black people complaining because they find the imagery of a white guy mowing down hordes of black people to be something they are not comfortable with is just fine.

By your logic you can't comment on this unless you've piped up at every previous games/racism debate.
Where were you for punch out man? WHERE WERE YOU?

Mark Hamill wrote: »

While the gameplay would be unchanged if the textures are changed, it would effect the storyline to have all the characters made white in a game set in Africa.

South africa would like to have a word.
But seriously, when we're talking about a game that has zombies (or not-zombies), giant wooden trunks that are interconnected by some kind of dark magic, a main character with pockets that stretch onto infinity for all the gold and jewels he'll find YET is limited in size for guns and ammo and green herbs that can magically heal all injuries, the lack of black people in africa is the least of the games worries when it comes to the suspension of disbelief.

KilOit

miju wrote: »

I really don't get this at all. It's not as if there hasn't been african zombies in other RE episodes (or even zombie films for that matter)

Another example of politcal correctness gone wrong

Yeah Will Smith blew up and ran over a rake of white zombies in I am legend whats up with that? :P

Vegeta

The number of complaints for Black Hawk Down must have been off the chart

Stev_o

Weird considering in Far Cry 2 you can play as a white character and kill black characters plus white characters or play as black character and do the same or play as asian,latin,indian,middle eastern etc and i havent seen anyone complain about that.

Nick_oliveri

thelordofcheese wrote: »

If the game is, as you claim "a statement of beauty, of physics, graphics, storyline and disturbing imagery, not racism" then what does it matter if they retexture the game?
If, as you claim, race is unimportant then a retexturing shouldn't affect it in the slightest, it's still the same game.

Also - the comparisons to the slight delay with LBP is superficial at best.

Yes but they changed that stupid little song in LBP and it took them ages to replace it and reprint the game. Obviously they chose that song because it gelled with whatever was going on(not being a LBP fan i wouldnt know what goes on).

Im not saying that the lads in Africa being Black gells with whats going on, but if i go to China to fight Zombies id start thinking something was wrong if they are all purple or blue.

Obviously changing the colour of the texture is a small change and probably wouldnt affect the release.

Should this be the way we treat all entertainment? Should Edward Zwick go back and change "Blood Diamond" to remove all the blacks or Spielberg take the Jews out of "Shindlers List" because it offends people? Or Sam Raimi's Film "Darkman", maybe that should be changed to "Whiteman" to save offence. :pac:

KilOit

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Obviously changing the colour of the texture is a small change and probably wouldnt affect the release.

I wouldn't say it's that easy, the characters are quite detailed and changing the colour to white would make it look like your fighting black albino's, i know i would be scared fighting a horde of guys who look like that guy from big brother :eek:

thelordofcheese

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Yes but they changed that stupid little song in LBP and it took them ages to replace it and reprint the game. Obviously they chose that song because it gelled with whatever was going on(not being a LBP fan i wouldnt know what goes on).

it was what, a fortnight delay?
So you're more worried about the fact your game might get delayed as opposed to actual racism. Gotcha.
It's ok, it kinda ties into what i said earlier about people only complaining when stuff affects them.

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Im not saying that the lads in Africa being Black gells with whats going on, but if i go to China to fight Zombies id start thinking something was wrong if they are all purple or blue.

if they were actually zombies and not these fastandrabidandoHHGODMYLIFE zombies it'd be cool. Infact i'd expect them to be kindof purple and blue.
cos y'know. ZOMBIES.

The problem isn't that they're zombies who used to be people of whatever skin colour, the problem is that the new zombies aren't easilly identifiable as 'zombies'. I mean they look like rabid humans most of all.
When Capcom made the transition from traditional monster zombies to 28 days later style infected the imagery of the series changed, they look more like crazy people than hollywood monsters. And i like that, i think RE4 is scarier than the previous games, but at the same time i realise that it's a cop out to go "they're zombies" when they aren't really.

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Should this be the way we treat all entertainment? Should Edward Zwick go back and change "Blood Diamond" to remove all the blacks or Spielberg take the Jews out of "Shindlers List" because it offends people? Or Sam Raimi's Film "Darkman", maybe that should be changed to "Whiteman" to save offence. :pac:

The fact you're comparing Schindlers list with resident evil is probably the most offensive thing in this thread.

KilOit

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Should this be the way we treat all entertainment? Should Edward Zwick go back and change "Blood Diamond" to remove all the blacks or Spielberg take the Jews out of "Shindlers List" because it offends people? Or Sam Raimi's Film "Darkman", maybe that should be changed to "Whiteman" to save offence. :pac:

Don't forget the term black hole is extremely racist too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20a-exAW6qc

Nick_oliveri

thelordofcheese wrote: »

it was what, a fortnight delay?
So you're more worried about the fact your game might get delayed as opposed to actual racism. Gotcha.
It's ok, it kinda ties into what i said earlier about people only complaining when stuff affects them.

Doesnt affect me, the game doesnt matter a ****e to me, its just assholes that like to change it (or entertainment) by shouting racism.

if they were actually zombies and not these fastandrabidandoHHGODMYLIFE zombies it'd be cool. Infact i'd expect them to be kindof purple and blue.
cos y'know. ZOMBIES.

Fast and Rabid zombies were the scariest IMO, but if i remember the old RE games properly, (which I probably dont) they werent purple, just slow normal looking zombies that were their original colour, making funny noises.

The problem isn't that they're zombies who used to be people of whatever skin colour, the problem is that the new zombies aren't easilly identifiable as 'zombies'. I mean they look like rabid humans most of all.
When Capcom made the transition from traditional monster zombies to 28 days later style infected the imagery of the series changed, they look more like crazy people than hollywood monsters. And i like that, i think RE4 is scarier than the previous games, but at the same time i realise that it's a cop out to go "they're zombies" when they aren't really.

Ok rabid humans. I lifted this image from the RE4 site.

White rabid crazy humans, whats wrong with black or chinese ones? Actually now that you say that RE4 was the rabid ones, I wouldnt mind playing it.

The fact you're comparing Schindlers list with resident evil is probably the most offensive thing in this thread.

Not really, money was made of Schindlers list, its an entertainment medium. Should money have been made off it? I dunno, another thread maybe. RE5 cannot be compared because they are seperate mediums. I was making a point of offence vs Entertainment mediums, not making comparisons between the Holocaust and RE-5.

ETA: ^^lol

Mark Hamill

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Really, unless you were aware of the mythos of the RE games, RE4 could be boilded down into "White guy kills spanish people", especially seeing as it takes a while for the parasites to actually appear in the game, which is the justification for why it's ok to go killing them all.

I can see why people might think that RE5 could be dicey. Without knowing the mythos it can easilly be boiled down to "White guy kills black people".
And lets face it, that's EXACTLY what all the trailers have shown. We know the score, we're gamers. But that's not the point.

That is the point. Completely ignoring the context of the game in order to make it seem racist is actually a bad thing. Otherwise you could point to any film, game, book or tv show where a white character bests a black character in any way and call it racist, regardless of context.

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Also, your logic doesn't really hold up at all. excluding the original games, the whole "if you didn't complain then you're a racist if you complain now" is rubbish. People only complain *if* it affects them, that's natural and normal. Black people complaining because they find the imagery of a white guy mowing down hordes of black people to be something they are not comfortable with is just fine.

It is racist if they find the image of the same white guy mowing down hordes of white Americans ok, or if they find the image of a similar white American mowing down hordes of Spanish ok. If its ok to do to one race, its ok to do to all. The people complaining have been long since informed of how the other RE games are set mostly in America, with mostly white zombies, but they don't care because all they see is the black enemies in RE5 being shot by a white protagonist. Thats racism.

thelordofcheese wrote: »

By your logic you can't comment on this unless you've piped up at every previous games/racism debate.
Where were you for punch out man? WHERE WERE YOU?

I dont know what punch out man is.

thelordofcheese wrote: »

South africa would like to have a word.

What, with its 9.2% white population? Even if the game was set in South Africa (and its not, its set in an area around Eritrea, Ethiopia and Kenya), you would still expect 4/5ths of the people in the game to be black.

thelordofcheese

WHHHARRRGLEBLARERRGHL - two massive posts to reply to.....

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Ok rabid humans. I lifted this image from the RE4 site.

White rabid crazy humans, whats wrong with black or chinese ones? Actually now that you say that RE4 was the rabid ones, I wouldnt mind playing it.

there isn't anything wrong with it per say, i'm making the point that as gamers when someone questions what's going on in RE5 we should just go "IT'S ZOMBIES LOL" and leave it at that.
It's not obvious, so we should act like people are clinically retarded when they bring this up.
We all wanted games to be taken more seriously as a medium, well this kind of stuff of people looking in and not understanding why it's ok for us to show a white guy killing hordes of black people for no discernable reason is part of that.

Mark Hamill wrote: »

That is the point. Completely ignoring the context of the game in order to make it seem racist is actually a bad thing. Otherwise you could point to any film, game, book or tv show where a white character bests a black character in any way and call it racist, regardless of context.

None of the RE5 trailers have placed what's happening in context. Without capcom trying to do something to explain what's goin on even in the vaguest sense, you can't really blame people for, to borrow a roy walker-ism, saying what they see.

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I dont know what punch out man is.

Don't know Punch-out?
Tuppin' kids.

Mark Hamill wrote: »

What, with its 9.2% white population? Even if the game was set in South Africa (and its not, its set in an area around Eritrea, Ethiopia and Kenya), you would still expect 4/5ths of the people in the game to be black.

Once again, Resident evil has a hell of alot more problems with realism than the ethnic makeup of it's zombies.

Mark Hamill

thelordofcheese wrote: »

None of the RE5 trailers have placed what's happening in context. Without capcom trying to do something to explain what's goin on even in the vaguest sense, you can't really blame people for, to borrow a roy walker-ism, saying what they see.

Why not? Maybe these people should have looked up the storyline of the series before jumping to conclusions? Would you give any time of day to someone calling Saving Private Ryan racist because it shows Americans killing Germans?

To call the game racist without knowing the context is just mistaken thought, I'll give you that, but to then ignore the context and story behind the games and continue to claim its racist, well thats just ignorant and racist itself.

thelordofcheese

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Why not? Maybe these people should have looked up the storyline of the series before jumping to conclusions? Would you give any time of day to someone calling Saving Private Ryan racist because it shows Americans killing Germans?

I'm pretty sure everyone knows roughly what happened in the second world war, it's not exactly comparable. Games still don't have that same kind of exposure. Zombie shooting games even less so.

Mark Hamill wrote: »

To call the game racist without knowing the context is just mistaken thought, I'll give you that, but to then ignore the context and story behind the games and continue to claim its racist, well thats just ignorant and racist itself.

Unless i've missed something, the timeline goes
RE5 trailer -> hot spicy racism -> IT'S ZOMBIES LOL -> <time passes> -> now.
I mean it's been effectly put to bed (though expect it to crop up again come launch by more mainstream news outlets) even if the producer is only caring to comment now.

I can see how people would initially be wary of it, I can see how, dispite the inherant nature of the internet to be retarded about everything someone managed to make the point, but until this actually comes around again it's a bit unfair to accuse people of being ignorant.

This however does not mean that people can be called ignorant if they still choose not to purchase the game because of it's setting. Sometimes, no matter how legitimate the setting some things won't sit well with people.
And seeing as it's only been about fourty or so years since the start of the civil rights movement in the states i can see why this would be one of those things.

Davei141

Just ignore lordofcheese hes just trolling, atleast i hope for his sake he is trolling. Talk about making feck all sense.

thelordofcheese

Davei141 wrote: »

Just ignore lordofcheese hes just trolling, atleast i hope for his sake he is trolling. Talk about making feck all sense.

There are not enough facepalms in all the internet for you.

Davei141

thelordofcheese wrote: »

There are not enough facepalms in all the internet for you.

I think everyone will need a few scoops of this



to understand your nonsense.

thelordofcheese

I'd ask you to point out why it's nonsense, but i realise that's a little too much for you.

If you have something interesting to say, go for it.

noodler

Jesus H Christ. Lighten up LordofCheese, for the love of god.

unreggd

Have any African people agreed with the racism?

They should just have a poll with the general public then GTFO

thelordofcheese

noodler wrote: »

Jesus H Christ. Lighten up LordofCheese, for the love of god.

Sure thing buddy

*ahem*

HEY ISN'T THIS A LOAD OF RUBBISH!
WHY ARE THEY DELAYIN' MAH GAME
NO JOHN, YOU ARE THE RACISTS
WHAT PC NONSENSE!


heh, that was kinda fun.....

Davei141

Yeah lets turn the black people into white lordofcheese! Lets shoot some honkey zombies in the middle of Kenya. They can change the story too. No longer are we dealing with the T virus anymore, oh no. This time its the Michael Jackson virus! All the poor black people have been affected and must be eliminated. If the main dude is white i dont see how the virus can affect him? Super immune crackers? Thats racist.

thelordofcheese

Davei141 wrote: »

Yeah lets turn the black people into white lordofcheese! Lets shoot some honkey zombies in the middle of Kenya. They can change the story too. No longer are we dealing with the T virus anymore, oh no. This time its the Michael Jackson virus! All the poor black people have been affected and must be eliminated. If the main dude is white i dont see how the virus can affect him? Super immune crackers? Thats racist.

*shakes head*

It's like your incapable of seeing the words that are infront of you.

Your poor attempt at hyperbole aside, when have i ever said that i agree with changing it?
I've said i understand why people might find it racist, based on the out-of-context trailer, and why even within context people still might find it distasteful.
I've never once called for it to be changed or said it was a good idea.

Learn to read, then get back to me. Or better still don't, because i don't think you're actually ever going to say anything of any interest.

Mark Hamill

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I'm pretty sure everyone knows roughly what happened in the second world war, it's not exactly comparable. Games still don't have that same kind of exposure. Zombie shooting games even less so.

True, but that kinda helps my point. People dont know games as well as real events or even big blockbuster films, so when they see a 2 minute trailer from a game they've never heard of before and seems wrong to them, they should first look up the storyline and context, to do otherwise would be ignorant.

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Unless i've missed something, the timeline goes
RE5 trailer -> hot spicy racism -> IT'S ZOMBIES LOL -> <time passes> -> now.
I mean it's been effectly put to bed (though expect it to crop up again come launch by more mainstream news outlets) even if the producer is only caring to comment now.

Someone decided to comment on what the producer recently said (maybe they where only aware of this issue recently) so I gave my opinion again.

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I can see how people would initially be wary of it, I can see how, dispite the inherant nature of the internet to be retarded about everything someone managed to make the point, but until this actually comes around again it's a bit unfair to accuse people of being ignorant.


This however does not mean that people can be called ignorant if they still choose not to purchase the game because of it's setting. Sometimes, no matter how legitimate the setting some things won't sit well with people.
And seeing as it's only been about fourty or so years since the start of the civil rights movement in the states i can see why this would be one of those things.

How many games have enemies made up of entirely of Africans? Maybe these people should be thankful that a game has finally decided to set itself in Africa, sure it took resident evil 12 games to finally leave America.

Here is the original blog that set it all off. Does it honestly seem like this woman has some terrible deep hidden issues from before the civil rights rise that causes her to be disturbed with what she sees in the trailer. Or is it more likely that a woman that capitalises every instance of the world "black" in her post, but never once "white" is just racist herself?

@Davei141: Stop trolling yourself. thelordofcheese posts are perfectly sensible and he is not trolling (he is just wrong ). Your posts are pointless and not contributing anything to the discussion (and probably just an excuse to use that picture you embedded)

thelordofcheese

Mark Hamill wrote: »

True, but that kinda helps my point. People dont know games as well as real events or even big blockbuster films, so when they see a 2 minute trailer from a game they've never heard of before and seems wrong to them, they should first look up the storyline and context, to do otherwise would be ignorant.

true, but a trailer is for alot of people the first impression of the game. It's supposed to sell the product and tell you a little about it. There is a reason we have the gravelly voice over man, he helps put shit in context. I don't think we can really expect people to put the effort in that we do, as gamers. Games are an entertainment product afterall, but it's still a young industry and i think that these kinds of scenarios where companies make rookie mistakes of showing something that will resonate with fans and not thinking of the world beyond that.

That said, this is Capcom and the resident evil series, it's not like they're afraid of controversy or anything. Maybe this is all part of the plan. It's certainly generated more internet chatter than it would have if they'd set RE5 back in america.

Mark Hamill wrote: »

How many games have enemies made up of entirely of Africans? Maybe these people should be thankful that a game has finally decided to set itself in Africa, sure it took resident evil 12 games to finally leave America.

Here is the original blog that set it all off. Does it honestly seem like this woman has some terrible deep hidden issues from before the civil rights rise that causes her to be disturbed with what she sees in the trailer. Or is it more likely that a woman that capitalises every instance of the world "black" in her post, but never once "white" is just racist herself?

I read that blog way back, and yeah she's got issues, but it's spread beyond that. I know N’Gai Croal has written "Wow, clearly no one black worked on this game" and the guy is a professional video games writer.
I mean, we can accuse alot of people of being ignorant of the series, but i think it'd be a stretch to call him that. Actually, i think that blog entry might be worth reading, it's an interesting point of view and probably carries a bit more weight than i would on the subject.

Davei141

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I've said i understand why people might find it racist, based on the out-of-context trailer, and why even within context people still might find it distasteful.
I've never once called for it to be changed or said it was a good idea.

No you just argued against people who don't want it changed. Anything out of context can be seen the wrong way. If when its put in context and people are still offended the phrase "looking to be offended" comes to mind, them people shouldn't be able to dictate sweet fa.. In this and another topic you slagged off people because they were not happy with a games delay, its more than that. Getting games delayed over lyrics and black zombies is stupid and if it becomes a trend its not a road i would like to go down.

@Davei141: Stop trolling yourself. thelordofcheese posts are perfectly sensible and he is not trolling (he is just wrong ). Your posts are pointless and not contributing anything to the discussion (and probably just an excuse to use that picture you embedded)

Enjoy your never ending circular "debate". Same thing happened in the LBP thread with cheese.

Nick_oliveri

Davei141 wrote: »

In this and another topic you slagged off people because they were not happy with a games delay, its more than that. Getting games delayed over lyrics and black zombies is stupid and if it becomes a trend its not a road i would like to go down.

Exactly, this is why i created this thread. I couldnt give a ****e about LBP or RE-5, couldnt be arsed playing either. Its the principle of the matter. Ignorance of such matters even out of context is stupid.

Other than that, i dont even know what this thread is about anymore. Talk about context.... Ignorance is some guy saying that its a white guy killing blacks. **** context.

thelordofcheese

Davei141 wrote: »

No you just argued against people who don't want it changed.

yeah, i did. Because it's all too easy for everyone to just go rabble rabble rabble and congratulate ourselves with how opposed we are to the whole thing
fuck that.
All forms of media deal with this kind of stuff, books, films, cinema. We're getting to the point now where games are big enough to draw the same kind of attention, so shit like this is going to happen. So it's kinda important that this shit gets talked about.

Davei141 wrote: »

Anything out of context can be seen the wrong way. If when its put in context and people are still offended the phrase "looking to be offended" comes to mind, them people shouldn't be able to dictate sweet fa.. In this and another topic you slagged off people because they were not happy with a games delay, its more than that. Getting games delayed over lyrics and black zombies is stupid and if it becomes a trend its not a road i would like to go down.
.

Get used to it. We spent most of the 90's going "games should be more like hollywood" well, this is part and parcel of it.

And quite frankly, i don't think it's more than that. Most people are upset that the games delayed and that's it. They just want the game and they want it now. The LBP fiasco was a prime example of this.
The changing of the music track affected nothing, changed nothing about the game, yet people were up in arms. The game didn't change at all, it had nothing to do with LBP being censored, it had everything to do with the game being delayed.

It's as petty as the complaints made in the first place.

Mark Hamill

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I read that blog way back, and yeah she's got issues, but it's spread beyond that. I know N’Gai Croal has written "Wow, clearly no one black worked on this game" and the guy is a professional video games writer.
I mean, we can accuse alot of people of being ignorant of the series, but i think it'd be a stretch to call him that. Actually, i think that blog entry might be worth reading, it's an interesting point of view and probably carries a bit more weight than i would on the subject.

Thanks for link, I read it and while still much better written and thought out than the womans blog, it still seems quite racist.
One of the 1st things he says in the interview is:

N'Gai Croal wrote:

"I looked at the “Resident Evil 5″ trailer and I was like, “Wow, clearly no one black worked on this game.” Because I wonder, and I haven’t sort of really dug into it that much, but I wonder what sort of advice Capcom gave them. The point isn’t that you can’t have black zombies."

Cant have black zombies? Thats not racist at all :rolleyes:.
Next he says:

N'Gai Croal wrote:

There was a lot of imagery in that trailer that dovetailed with classic racist imagery. What was not funny, but sort of interesting, was that there were so many gamers who could not at all see it. Like literally couldn’t see it. So how could you have a conversation with people who don’t understand what you’re talking about and think that you’re sort of seeing race where nothing exists?

Thats a bad thing? Is it not a good thing that people can see a scene where a charcter of one race is fighting a group of people of another race and the first thing in their head is not "well this guy is obviously ethnically cleansing the village". Gamers who look at the game will mostly just see a guy fighting zombies. They may ponder on the colour of the zombies, but not much beyond what setting it indicates. As a video games writer, N'gai Croal has no excuse for not knowing the setting and the context of whats going on especially as it was indicated in RE: Code Veronica (made in 2000) that the zombie virus originated in Africa.

N'Gai Croal wrote:

It’s not even like one cute African — or Haitian or Caribbean — child could be saved. They’re all dangerous men, women and children. They all have to be killed

Because RE is known as the zombie game where you cure your enemies of the virus, not take off their heads with a shotgun :rolleyes:.

He then goes on to say:

N'Gai Croal wrote:

If there were a movie that had those images, I’d question it. I’d really want to know what’s going on in this movie. Like where is this coming from? So we hadn’t seen much of the game. It was just a trailer. If it had been me in that situation, I wouldn’t have put out a trailer like that. I think it’s very easy to misunderstand what that game is about based on that trailer. And while I would certainly withhold final judgment, if that’s all the game is, I’d be concerned about that.

So he admits that if was a film he would want to know the context, but he still writes off the dozen or so games leading up to RE5 which create the context.

Next we have:

N'Gai Croial wrote:

It’s very difficult in this country, in many countries, to have a conversation about race. Everyone brings to it their own history, their own perspective. Some people are engaged in it, some people aren’t. I think some people are concerned because some people think there is a double standard. Some people say that when it’s images of only black people then people get concerned. Some people feel like their hobby is under attack; it’s being misinterpreted or misunderstood. Again the portrayal of Africa, or the Caribbean, since we don’t know where it’s being set, as sort of this dark, dangerous continent filled with people who only want to do you harm goes back a long, long way. And based on the images put up on the trailer, what else are you supposed to take from it? Especially if you’re not familiar with the franchise?

Which is more of the same nonsense. How is a 2 minute trailer giving any indication of what the continent of Africa is like? You see only a hand ful of streets from the same village, Africa is made up of 53 countries, with many different climates, to claim the trailer is portraying anything about the entire continent is just seeing what you want to see, not whats actually there.

His main point is as follows:

N'Gai Croal wrote:

It’s not as simple as saying, “Oh, they shot Spanish zombies in ‘Resident Evil 4,’ and now ‘black zombies and that’s why people are getting upset.” The imagery is not the same. It doesn’t carry the same history, it doesn’t carry the same weight. I don’t know how to explain it more clearly than that.

But he seems to forget that the image doesn't have that history with the vast majority of people who are going to see it. Instead of letting the past stay in the past, applauding the fact that gamers of today get to kill zombies of all nationalities, not just white Americans, the past is dragged back into it. If people want true equality in all walks of life, then it has to work both ways, regardless of how hard it is for some to deal with it. It may be hard for some people not to be racist, but unfortunately for them, they dont have much of a choice.

thelordofcheese wrote:

And quite frankly, i don't think it's more than that. Most people are upset that the games delayed and that's it. They just want the game and they want it now. The LBP fiasco was a prime example of this.
The changing of the music track affected nothing, changed nothing about the game, yet people were up in arms. The game didn't change at all, it had nothing to do with LBP being censored, it had everything to do with the game being delayed.

It's as petty as the complaints made in the first place.

And whats wrong with people complaining about a delay caused by something they don't understand? People are all looking forward to a gamer coming out, when all of a sudden some little bigotted nutjob starts complaining and then the game is put back a few weeks. Just because its not a game that you yourself are looking forward too doesnt mean that no-one else has the right to complain about the delays. I have absolutely no interest in playing LBP but I still completely agree with people giving out about it being delayed.