Airbags failing to deploy

good intentions

Hi All,

I spent 30 grand buying a 05 Audi a4 from a dealer in Offaly in July just past.

Unfortunately, I had a pretty bad crash on Friday, the car flipped onto it's roof and is completely totalled. Luckily, I am fine, and walked away without a scratch (thank God for safety belts). The Gardai were amazed that I walked away without a bother to me.

I am very grateful that I am still alive.

However, I am not too happy with the fact that I spent all of this money on a car with seven airbags and not one of them deployed. I could have had injuries a lot more serious, and I could have died due to the airbags not deploying.

Has anybody had experience of this issue before?

I will be seeking legal advice of course.

Appreciate any constructive comments, thanks

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

Airbags don't just deploy whenever you have a crash, there are sensors that determin if a perticuler airbag goes off, otherwise you would be hit by a bunch of air bags as well whatever other knock you would have as a result of a crash.

As someone who had an airbag go off due to a lateral collision, trust me they are pretty voilent events in themselves, the airbag did nothing for my safety and nearly broke my arm in the process, it did infact cause my fist to shatter the windscreen.

So their may be a reason the airbags didn't actually go off, and it was probably for the good.

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

LIGHTNING wrote: »

... Ie in a side collision it wont deploy the airbag in the steering wheel...

thats what happened to me, and steering wheel bag deployed, was a '95 car so maybe newer cars are better........... remember hearing that broken forearms are quiet commen with steering wheel bag deployments

good intentions

Hi guys, and thanks for the responses.

Just to clarify, I was travelling at 40 mph, the car flipped onto its roof and slid 150 metres down the road.

The front of the car is mashed. The top of the car is mashed. The rear of the car is mashed.

Surely at least one of the airbags would have deployed? If they don't deploy in this situation I fear they would never deploy!

I previously drove a focus, and rear ended somebody at 20mph -it set off both airbags!

I have a mate who's a technician for Honda - maybe he can plug his laptop into it!

Thanks again

-Chris-

Get an independent assessor to look at the car (your solicitor will probably insist on this anyway).

Your airbags will not always go off in an impact - the system measures the G-force of the impact, the angle of incidence, etc. etc.
Airbags will only go off if they'll be of benefit - your passenger airbag will only go off if there's a passenger in the seat, your front airbags will only go off if you're in a frontal impact above a certain speed.
If you're in an impact at an angle, where you're thrown diagonally rather than straight ahead, your airbags won't go off as they'd either miss you or they'd make the situation worse.

It's not always black and white as to whether airbags should have deplyed or not.

That being said, if you were in an impact that was severe enough to roll the car, I'd be surprised if no airbags deployed....

You do mention the seatbelts though, and you're right. At the time of impact, your seatbelts would have tightened you back into the seat before releasing you "gently", in the first moments of the crash.

A way to check if your safety system was active is to see if any of your other seatbelts are pulled tight - if the pretensioners fired but the airbags didn't, I'd say the system was working, but the car decided the airbags wouldn't have aided the situation.


Edit: wow, beaten to it multiple times!!!

geoff29

op, happy that you are with us I'm sure you got quite a fright, it's amazing that you are unscathed!

I'm the same as the others, regarding the sensors, I'm sure audi would be interested or indeed, some safety body like the ADAC or Euro-Ncap etc. If they saw the car, someone would be able to diagnose its electronics, could be very well that the sensors are still in activation and the airbags could still be triggered?

if there is a fault, that's not good. I know some Volvos (previous C70) were recalled because in the event of a side-impact, the opposing side airbags went off..! A big help! Maybe look into any reports or recalls for your audi? A quick google search should tell you if the manufacturer ever recalled the cars for faults. Indeed, there may even be other stories of people in your boat.

Owen

I've seen first hand a 06 car rolled, and no bags deployed. Nothing bizarre about that I'm afraid, I understand it's frightening when something like that happens, but the car will only deploy the airbags when various sensors kick in around the vehicle. If the car was on it's roof, deploying the airbag while you were sliding forward to a stop wouldn't have done much good.

However, for example, if you were sliding on your roof, and you hit a lamppost at speed, then it would deploy.

colm_mcm

you seem to be alive, presuming yourself and any passengers walked away from the crash without injuries, I can't see why you'd have a problem with the way the car performed.
Given that the airbag only stays inflated for under a second, a deployed airbag wouldn't protect you for any longer than that.

maidhc

good intentions wrote: »

I will be seeking legal advice of course.

For what, excatly?

Alun

I agree with some of the other posters .. that very fact that you walked away without a scratch, as you yourself put it, without the assistance of the airbags is probably testament enough to the fact that the airbags in fact didn't need to deploy in those circumstances. Airbag deployment is a complicated matter, and they take all kinds of things into consideration before firing. If the car flipped onto it's roof and skidded along on it, then probably it was the seatbelt tensioners that saved your life, rather than any (non-existent) airbag deployment.

FWIW I survived a similar crash many years ago in a 1964 Mk I Ford Cortina, many years ago, which only just had seatbelts, let alone airbags and walked out without a scratch too.

mickdw

If you were doing 40mph and you managed to slide 150m down the road as you say, then obviously there was no severe deceleration involved and that is why the airbags didnt deploy. the fact that you walked away uninjured surely proves the point that the car acted properly as airbags create a violent explosion and if the car figured you would be ok without them then why risk the violent explosion of the airbag.
You seem to be of the impression that the airbag is a nice soft cushion made to protect you as the car is rolling/sliding on its roof. the fact is that the bag is only inflated for a fraction of a second and therefore it is only effective at the time of impact.

SV

maidhc wrote: »

For what, excatly?

lol..thank you.


You know..he MIGHT have been hurt..he COULD have been injured.


has that personality that would sue a restaurant for having a slippery floor when they never slipped on it..just because they might have.

derossi

I crashed my 03 a4 about 2 years ago. It was late at night in a dark country road. I was going too fast and came to a corner and didnt react quickly enough. The car hit the hedge flipped up into the air and rolled 5 or 6 times in the field. I walked away with a sprained neck. The seat belts tighened up and kept me in place. I walked out through the front window. Every panel in the car was damaged, the roof was crushed but no airbags deployed. I guess the car figured that i didnt need them.

Heroditas

Can I ask the OP how they managed to flip an Audi A4 at 40mph?

SV

Heroditas wrote: »

Can I ask the OP how they managed to flip an Audi A4 at 40mph?

Honestly..hundreds of ways this could happen.

Heroditas

ClioV6 wrote: »

Honestly..hundreds of ways this could happen.

Just curious as to how it happened in this instance.

Owen

Heroditas wrote: »

Can I ask the OP how they managed to flip an Audi A4 at 40mph?

Here's one that happened at about 10mph :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiXunpWEz4s

Savman

good intentions wrote: »

Unfortunately, I had a pretty bad crash on Friday, the car flipped onto it's roof and is completely totalled.

good intentions wrote:

I previously drove a focus, and rear ended somebody at 20mph

Erm....no, I won't go there.

colm_mcm

If I was you I'd be more upset about spending 30k on a 3 year old A4.

pred racer

Heroditas wrote: »

Can I ask the OP how they managed to flip an Audi A4 at 40mph?

interested also??

crosstownk

good intentions wrote: »

I am fine, and walked away without a scratch (thank God for safety belts).

So it's safe to say that airbags weren't required? Your Audi seems to have gotten the calculations right. Just as well as the cost of replacing airbags and control units is mad money. If you ask me your car did all it had to do to keep you safe and uninjured.

Glad to hear you're OK after the prang.

Rowley Birkin QC

crosstownk wrote: »

So it's safe to say that airbags weren't required? Your Audi seems to have gotten the calculations right. Just as well as the cost of replacing airbags and control units is mad money. If you ask me your car did all it had to do to keep you safe and uninjured.

Glad to hear you're OK after the prang.

That would be my thinking on it aswell. The main thrust of it is that you walked away fine from the accident.

If the airbags fired without being needed you could have been injured but they didn't and you weren't. Be thankful for this and see what the assesor says.

Darragh29

good intentions wrote: »

Hi All,

I spent 30 grand buying a 05 Audi a4 from a dealer in Offaly in July just past.

Unfortunately, I had a pretty bad crash on Friday, the car flipped onto it's roof and is completely totalled. Luckily, I am fine, and walked away without a scratch (thank God for safety belts). The Gardai were amazed that I walked away without a bother to me.

I am very grateful that I am still alive.

However, I am not too happy with the fact that I spent all of this money on a car with seven airbags and not one of them deployed. I could have had injuries a lot more serious, and I could have died due to the airbags not deploying.

Has anybody had experience of this issue before?

I will be seeking legal advice of course.

Appreciate any constructive comments, thanks

Did the front of the car impact with anything??? If it didn't, the airbags normally won't deploy because they are triggered by front inertia sensors that detect a very abrupt stop to the vehicle, for example, the vehicle driving into a wall, which causes you to continue moving forward even though the vehicle has stopped, hence the need for an airbag. The same also happens for lateral collisions to the side of the vehicle.

Don't see why you are seeking legal advice on this. Did the seat belt pre-tensioners deploy??? If they did, then maybe this is why you were able to walk away from the crash...

good intentions

Hi All,

Thanks for all of your comments and replies, they were very much welcomed and appreciated.

Update for you all.

I had the vehicle inspected by Audi (my dealer). Surprise surprise he produced a report to inform me that the airbags should not have deployed. I was not happy with this, so got an independent assessor in. He has confirmed that due to the impact taken at the front left hand side of the car, the airbags SHOULD have deployed.

I was very interested to see this report, and have it corroborated, so Audi in Dublin had a look at it. They have confirmed that the airbags SHOULD have deployed due to the speed and angle of impact to front left hand side of car.

Audi have taken the car back to Germany for full analysis, paid for by them obviously. And in the meantime they have provided me with a courtesy A6 3.2 v6 (nice car).

For those of you who questioned as to why I have taken legal advice, I have had a meeting with a Barrister friend of mine, and he believes I have a case against Audi, and should expect a settlement. We are awaiting final results from Germany. I've been advised that they would loathe the negative publicity a case like this could generate, therefore that will explain the settlement.

I'll keep you posted if you like, but can't give too much information as it could jeopardise proceedings.

Glad to see you are ok OP, sounds terrifying!

maidhc

good intentions wrote: »

For those of you who questioned as to why I have taken legal advice, I have had a meeting with a Barrister friend of mine, and he believes I have a case against Audi, and should expect a settlement. We are awaiting final results from Germany. I've been advised that they would loathe the negative publicity a case like this could generate, therefore that will explain the settlement.

Lets face facts, you are uninjured, and it was (presumably) your fault you crashed the car. I'd love to see the statement of claim, and so I suspect would J.K. Rowling...

tin79

I hope it goes well for you, and thank god you were unhurt

The good that will come from you pursuing this is that audi might be able to improve their safety system so that it does save lives in the future.

I must say though, and i dont mean to sound harsh here, but as someone who has been in a serious crash and walked away without a scratch (just like you did) if it was me i would be thanking Audi for having their car save my life and not looking for money from them, when their tensioners are probably the reason you are still here to tell us about it.

I think you are right to bring it to their attention but wrong to have your hand out when you walked away unhurt. legally right maybe but morally wrong IMO.

Anan1

good intentions wrote: »

Luckily, I am fine, and walked away without a scratch (thank God for safety belts). The Gardai were amazed that I walked away without a bother to me.

good intentions wrote: »

For those of you who questioned as to why I have taken legal advice, I have had a meeting with a Barrister friend of mine, and he believes I have a case against Audi, and should expect a settlement. We are awaiting final results from Germany. I've been advised that they would loathe the negative publicity a case like this could generate, therefore that will explain the settlement..

Nice.

SV

good intentions, are you American?


you sound american. just wondering.

galwaytt

good intentions wrote: »

Audi have taken the car back to Germany for full analysis, paid for by them obviously. And in the meantime they have provided me with a courtesy A6 3.2 v6 (nice car).

I've been advised that they would loathe the negative publicity a case like this could generate, therefore that will explain the settlement.

Unfortunately, this is exactly the type of thing that has got our insurance premia to the levels they're at, over the years. Sueing, just becuase........well, just because you can. Your sentiment about the publicity angle shows that this is basically a PR damage limitation exercise, rather than an objective case on technical merit.

I say that because, had the airbags deployed - er, could you be 'more' alive ? You've already posted that you got away without a scratch, to the astonishment of the attending Garda - so how is possible to be 'less injured' than you are ? So what's the point ?

If they had deployed, even if it turns out that bags should have done so, and you had a resultant injury from that...............well, I guess we'd be respoonding to that post on here, too......but with a different title....

I'm not picking on you OP, but I fail to see the merit in your complaint - you are complaining that it's Audi's fault that you are NOT dead, and NOT injured ?

Where's your responsiblity in this ?

-Chris-

+1 on the "well done for investigating this and flagging any potential safety issue to Audi".

As for a settlement, if you have any genuine physical or psychological (or other) impact from the incident, please feel free.
If you don't, then please don't pursue this further. Ireland has enough of a claim culture already.

Darragh29

There is just no pleasing some people. Your barrister mate is obviously on the wrong end of his FE1 exams. You have absolutely no basis for a claim of any sort, you were not injured, so suffered absolutely no loss due to the airbags not deploying, so you have no statable case whatsoever. Audi won't give a fiddlers sh*t about bad publicity, there is no bad publicity, you turned your car upside down and due to the construction of the car, you were uninjured, therefore positive news for Audi and it should be positive news for you. Grow up.

BoardsRanger

good intentions wrote: »

For those of you who questioned as to why I have taken legal advice, I have had a meeting with a Barrister friend of mine, and he believes I have a case against Audi, and should expect a settlement. We are awaiting final results from Germany. I've been advised that they would loathe the negative publicity a case like this could generate, therefore that will explain the settlement.

I'll keep you posted if you like, but can't give too much information as it could jeopardise proceedings.

Does your Barrister normally practice in this area? Its just that, IMO, i dont think you have any chance of getting money from Audi for the simple reason that there was no damage!(injury wise) Damage being one of the required ingredients in a tort claim. I am, however, speaking from limited experience (law degree) and would like to know how you get on if/when you pursue it.

~edit~
if however you have lasting psychological injuries, then that is a different matter, albeit very hard to prove

Darsad

I am amazed Audi have entertained this case as the firing parameters of an air bag ECU are not recorded. Even if one of the front sensors is in the fired position there are a number of other factors / calculations including g sensor and in some cases Yaw sensor signals and the rate of deacceleration that determine if the air bag should deploy or not these calculations are made in milliseconds and cannot be read from the air bag ECU post accident.
It amazes me how many people think air bags are these big fluffy marshmallows that you can fall asleep on if in an accident and why somebody who turn a car upside down would want to take legal action but then each to their own I suppose !

green-blood

Originally Posted by good intentions
For those of you who questioned as to why I have taken legal advice, I have had a meeting with a Barrister friend of mine, and he believes I have a case against Audi, and should expect a settlement. We are awaiting final results from Germany. I've been advised that they would loathe the negative publicity a case like this could generate, therefore that will explain the settlement..

So you basicaly want a payout... good luck

Delighted you are ok, it must have been a scary experience, but you say you walked away unscathed... how much MORE unscathed do you think you would be had the airbags gone off?

Their product saved your life, the car did not "flip" on its roof - you flipped it on its roof.

javaboy

AudiChris wrote: »

+1 on the "well done for investigating this and flagging any potential safety issue to Audi".

As for a settlement, if you have any genuine physical or psychological (or other) impact from the incident, please feel free.
If you don't, then please don't pursue this further. Ireland has enough of a claim culture already.

+1. My dad works for a big car co. and the nonsense claims people put in for are ridiculous. OP if you get money out of this as compensation for something that could have happened, we all suffer in our insurance premiums.

Darragh29 wrote: »

Audi won't give a fiddlers sh*t about bad publicity, there is no bad publicity

Unfortunately you're wrong on that one. Companies routinely pay out on claims that they really shouldn't for a number of reasons:

• Audi in crash=bad publicity full stop
• People won't read "driver walked away unscathed" they will read "driver lucky not to be killed after airbag non-deployment"
• Judges and juries are notorious for ignoring technical evidence in court. Car manafacturers frequently lose cases despite being in the right because people ignore the boring technical facts.
• Even if Audi won in court, it may cost them more regardless so it's often easier and cheaper to just pay out.

BoardsRanger wrote: »

Does i dont think you have any chance of getting money from Audi for the simple reason that there was no damage!(injury wise) Damage being one of the required ingredients in a tort claim.

For the reasons I outlined above, he probably will get paid off despite no injuries.


@OP have you ever considered what would have happened had your airbags deployed on impact and then you subsequently slammed into a tree or wall after sliding along on your roof at speed? You would have had no airbags left to deploy since they would have been waster in the original collision in which they were clearly not needed.

-Chris-

Darsad wrote: »

It amazes me how many people think air bags are these big fluffy marshmallows that you can fall asleep on if in an accident

+1

Most people who have a head on impact severe enough to deploy the airbags, and who have their hands on the steering wheel at the time, suffer burns on the inside of their arms due to the heat/friction generated from the airbag inflating.

An airbag detonating is a VERY violent affair!

javaboy

AudiChris wrote: »

+1

Most people who have a head on impact severe enough to deploy the airbags, and who have their hands on the steering wheel at the time, suffer burns on the inside of their arms due to the heat/friction generated from the airbag inflating.

An airbag detonating is a VERY violent affair!

I wonder would the OP claim if airbags broke and burned his arms after deploying in a crash where he would have otherwise been unharmed?

SV

javaboy wrote: »

I wonder would the OP claim if airbags broke and burned his arms after deploying in a crash where he would have otherwise been unharmed?

probably..along with suing mcdonalds for when they spill the coffee on themselves.

Darragh29

javaboy wrote: »

Unfortunately you're wrong on that one. Companies routinely pay out on claims that they really shouldn't for a number of reasons:

• Audi in crash=bad publicity full stop
• People won't read "driver walked away unscathed" they will read "driver lucky not to be killed after airbag non-deployment"
• Judges and juries are notorious for ignoring technical evidence in court. Car manafacturers frequently lose cases despite being in the right because people ignore the boring technical facts.
• Even if Audi won in court, it may cost them more regardless so it's often easier and cheaper to just pay out.

I wouldn't agree at all, he has no statable case whatsoever. Before you sue someone, as has been pointed out by another poster, you have to have some sort of basis for a claim, in effect you have to have suffered some loss, which isn't the case here. I'm all for standing up for your rights but what is being suggested here is just silly. Also, I'd be very interested to know how an independent assessor arrived at the conclusion that the airbags should have deployed.

Darsad

Darragh29 wrote: »

I wouldn't agree at all, he has no statable case whatsoever. Before you sue someone, as has been pointed out by another poster, you have to have some sort of basis for a claim, in effect you have to have suffered some loss, which isn't the case here. I'm all for standing up for your rights but what is being suggested here is just silly. Also, I'd be very interested to know how an independent assessor arrived at the conclusion that the airbags should have deployed.

Well it always amazes me how there is always two experienced Motor Assessors or as they are called independent experts at motor court cases with polar opinions . If you were a sceptic you would say who ever writes the cheque dictates the report !! :rolleyes:

javaboy

Darragh29 wrote: »

I wouldn't agree at all, he has no statable case whatsoever. Before you sue someone, as has been pointed out by another poster, you have to have some sort of basis for a claim, in effect you have to have suffered some loss, which isn't the case here.

That's not the point. It's still publicity that Audi won't want regardless. Why do you think the legal advice the OP has received is to "expect a settlement"? It's because there is a history of people getting out of court settlements because companies don't want the bad PR.

maidhc

javaboy wrote: »

That's not the point. It's still publicity that Audi won't want regardless. Why do you think the legal advice the OP has received is to "expect a settlement"? It's because there is a history of people getting out of court settlements because companies don't want the bad PR.

I don't agree. Many businesses will just dig their heels in, in fact those that don't are few and far between.

It may settle if the OP has the balls to take it as far as the steps of the circuit court (or high court if he is foolhardy enough), but that is a petty high stakes game of poker to play when you consider the costs racked up (the barrister friend will be of little use to the OP here).

javaboy

maidhc wrote: »

I don't agree. Many businesses will just dig their heels in, in fact those that don't are few and far between.

What are you basing that on out of interest?

It may settle if the OP has the balls to take it as far as the steps of the circuit court (or high court if he is foolhardy enough), but that is a petty high stakes game of poker to play when you consider the costs racked up (the barrister friend will be of little use to the OP here).

If it reaches the steps of the courts, it will reach the papers and the manafacturer has already lost regardless of the outcome in court.

maidhc

javaboy wrote: »

What are you basing that on out of interest?

experience

Darragh29

javaboy wrote: »

That's not the point. It's still publicity that Audi won't want regardless. Why do you think the legal advice the OP has received is to "expect a settlement"? It's because there is a history of people getting out of court settlements because companies don't want the bad PR.

Yeah, but hang on, before he even gets anywhere near an out of court settlement, he has to file papers and commence proceedings and most importantly, set out his case. How is he going to do this when he has no statable case??? This is why I'm curious as to who is legally advicing him, because they clearly haven't even done the Law Society entrance exams!

The facts here are extremely simple. He didn't have a frontal impact, so his air bags didn't go off, why he is making a big deal out of it and dreaming up a completely baseless scenario through which he will have money thrown at him by the manufacturers of the vehicle, is just completely unrealistic not to mention ungrateful...

peasant

May I just point out that it is just a little bit stupid to try and milk a car company for compensation (for no other reason than greed) on the speculation that they would want to avoid bad publicity and hence rather pay you to to keep shtumm and then go and PUBLISH the whole thing it on the internet ...

galwaytt

peasant wrote: »

May I just point out that it is just a little bit stupid to try and milk a car company for compensation (for no other reason than greed) on the speculation that they would want to avoid bad publicity and hence rather pay you to to keep shtumm and then go and PUBLISH the whole thing it on the internet ...

You May. Indeed. Consider this tread saved to C://xxxx (local). Audi Irl please PM me for details :D:D

As Jean Luc would say............'make it so..'

good intentions

Hey again all.

Just had a quick scan through replies, but haven't had time to read thoroughly..

The gist (jist)? sorry not sure how to spell the word. The gist I seem to be getting is that people think I'm looking to get as much money out of this as possible. On this note, I wish to clarify a few points:

• I was in a serious accident, and 2 sources have confirmed that the airbags should have deployed, but didn't
• I was seriously shaken, but physically fine
• My insurance claim will skyrocket as a result
• I paid a large sum of money for goods that have been proven faulty
• I am not claiming for physical injuries
• I am a complete believer of the "bad money" thing. I would never fraudulently claim money as I believe it will lead to bad things happening. It was how I was raised, and for anybody to jump to the conclusion that I am some kind of money grabbing schemer, well then I feel sorry for you, cynicism is a cancer of our society.

In the meantime (as this will be a lengthy process), consider that I have to make an insurance claim, get my car towed at considerable cost. Storage costs. Time off to talk to Garda/Insurance Company/Look at new cars. Sorting out Car Rental. I am a field based employee - I have had to cancel meetings as a result.

So forgive me for seeking some compensation. Hopefully the money will cover the above costs. In the meantime, I am having to borrow from the bank to get this sorted.

If you were in this situation you would not turn down the money. Anybody saying the opposite is a liar, pure and simple.

If you purchased a pair of expensive shoes from Brown Thomas, and they split on first day of wearing, would you expect a refund? Yes

I don't post on here often. I was sharing a story. I honestly wasn't aware the people were so uptight.

Anan1

good intentions wrote: »

Hey again all.

Just had a quick scan through replies, but haven't had time to read thoroughly..

The gist (jist)? sorry not sure how to spell the word. The gist I seem to be getting is that people think I'm looking to get as much money out of this as possible. On this note, I wish to clarify a few points:

• I was in a serious accident, and 2 sources have confirmed that the airbags should have deployed, but didn't
• I was seriously shaken, but physically fine
• My insurance claim will skyrocket as a result
• I paid a large sum of money for goods that have been proven faulty
• I am not claiming for physical injuries
• I am a complete believer of the "bad money" thing. I would never fraudulently claim money as I believe it will lead to bad things happening. It was how I was raised, and for anybody to jump to the conclusion that I am some kind of money grabbing schemer, well then I feel sorry for you, cynicism is a cancer of our society.

In the meantime (as this will be a lengthy process), consider that I have to make an insurance claim, get my car towed at considerable cost. Storage costs. Time off to talk to Garda/Insurance Company/Look at new cars. Sorting out Car Rental. I am a field based employee - I have had to cancel meetings as a result.

So forgive me for seeking some compensation. Hopefully the money will cover the above costs. In the meantime, I am having to borrow from the bank to get this sorted.

If you were in this situation you would not turn down the money. Anybody saying the opposite is a liar, pure and simple.

If you purchased a pair of expensive shoes from Brown Thomas, and they split on first day of wearing, would you expect a refund? Yes

I don't post on here often. I was sharing a story. I honestly wasn't aware the people were so uptight.

Did you crash the car or did Audi?

peasant

good intentions wrote: »

In the meantime (as this will be a lengthy process), consider that I have to make an insurance claim, get my car towed at considerable cost. Storage costs. Time off to talk to Garda/Insurance Company/Look at new cars. Sorting out Car Rental. I am a field based employee - I have had to cancel meetings as a result.

So forgive me for seeking some compensation.

Oh my heart bleeds for you ...

Here's an idea ...next time try not to crash your car :rolleyes:

Try not to drive where the red writing is: