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Czech Wolfdog
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25-10-2008 4:28pm#1
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kerrysgold wrote: »Weird, I was only reading about this breed last night and was thinking if there were any in Ireland!
Anyway, can't help you with a breeder but I'd say they aren't a beginners dog. I imagine they need a lot of training and socializing, perhaps more so than other breeds.
I apologize if this isn't the case with you, but it's just that a lot of people like the Wolfy appearance of such dogs but they don't fully understand the amount of care and time they need.
You are totally right, and yes, i am a beginner.
But i'm not choosing this breed for the Wolfy style, (there's others that have that and are less hard to manage) but more for the behaviour of it ... I have read a lot lately, and while the general style of the dog of course drives me crazy, its not what made me decide upon this.
And im reading *a lot* before taking it, so i guess im ready to try and live with him. If i couldnt get this one, i'd have to fall back on some choices that im not really sure of, and in that case, i'd better leave it all since it will be a choice that affects my life for the next 15 years or so ...
As of now i would have no problem in buying it here in Italy, the only problem is the damn import laws, and it seems like that, with a puppy, i cant avoid the 6 months quarantine. i mean ... WTF? ... so, either i find a breeder there or i will need to take a 8-9 months old one ...
If you happen to find any info on this breed there in ireland, tell me because im very very interested!
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kerrysgold wrote: »I think you'd be better off with a more easy to manage breed if this is your first dog. Maybe a german shepherd? They still have the wolfy looks, very intelligent breed but are easier to train and look after.
I'm after this dog for the behaviour and attachment to the master, that is, as far as i know, unique.
Can we go back in topic please? Any breeders out there? 0 -
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I've read about this breed a lot, and know people that do have them, and none of them is 24 hours with the dog.
Like 90% of the people in the world, they work 8 hours a day, and have their stuff going, and the dog is perfectly fine with this ...
Anyway, ok then, im an assassin and i want this dog to kill it and take it apart, allrite?
Lets just stop talking about the reasons that im after this particoular breed, and lets focus on the topic, that is, if anybody knows if theres any breeder out there.
I got to breeders here and people that have it, and talked to them a bit much more than what im talking to you guys here, and they told me they deem me suitable for this breed (altough the breeder wouldnt entrust me with a male dog, only a female).
That is, for me, enough to have my go ahead, now my problem is importing it into ireland, not wether to take it or not ... I feel i can handle and respect it, and from what i've read, this is the one i want. Its not like you guys are going to convince me into getting a chiwawa, its either that or nothing.
Dont tell me you guys bought a dog for what your lifestyle was without liking it, i wouldnt believe that.
Buying it without having the time and care to handle it would be bad, but since im suitable (as it seems), lets just drop this ...0 -
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Nope, im my CURRENT circumstances im not.Leaving aside the discussion whether a wolfdog is for you or not, the fact still is that you have been deemed "suitable" in your CURRENT circumstances.
After i've moved country, i will.
And i know the answers to the other questions you've previously posed, so the discussion is a bit different than what you may think 0 -
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You're right, i read again your replies and you're one guy that only gave advices. I owe you an apology, i got offroad by the previous replies...lightening wrote: »Rubbish, I don't even know what type of facilities you have in place for the dog, or what facilities you have in your area... I asked nothing much about your situation, I just told you about the pitfalls I have fallen in to and how I got around them. Please, don't dismiss the advice and my experiences as being to harsh for you, take them on board.
That aint being elitist imho, its being pickylightening wrote: »Elitist? You are the one asking for the certain type of dog, not me. Seriously, we all have different tastes, and this is just an example of it.
Its not, but isnt that what it is ? He gives you company, you give him a home.lightening wrote: »Regarding the give and take thing? Life isn't a Lassie film.
Looks dosnt matter all that much (altough they played their part), perceived values its what got me on this dog. Hope they will be what i expect, thats all i can do for now.lightening wrote: »Anyway, you seem determined to import the dog in to the country because of its looks and perceived values.lightening wrote: »I wish you the best of luck with the dog and hope it works out for both of you.
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Nope, never owned a dog before, but i'm studying, and im doing everything i can to get up to date and well informed about everything around the CSW.
I guess i wont handle it when he's young much, since it seems that there's no breeder for the csw in ireland, that means, i'll have to get a 8 months dog, due to laws of import.
About the UK classification, i've seen the dog and got around it. That classification is stating that any dog that has wolf ancestry should be classed as dangerous wild animal. Thats a long shot. Anyway, its highly controversial, and only in the UK as far as i know ... In the rest of europe its ok. For example, here in italy we've got restrictions, but the Czech wolfdog is a recognized exception.
Also, if you believe in what you wrote (i get out only what i put in); then that act should be highly controversial for you too, isnt it ?
As for the guy trying to make a sale ... might be right. Still, i dont see the problem. Its a Dog we're talking about here, not a wolf or a tiger. Its a DOG. "D ... O ... G".
If i were to fail with this breed, then i'd probably fail with any breed, and that fails the whole "get a dog" concept. The problem, imho, is not the breed, isnt it? ...
Anyway, for my 2 cents ... your rule of garbage in = garbage out is correct to a certain extent.
While its true that little "cute" dogs often are more "bossy" cuz they lack human alpha (garbage in - garbage out), its also true that different breeds have different personalities / work predisposition. Try to make a herding dog out of a chiwawa or of a sighthound...
All of this imho. Take care0 -
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bigpinkelephant wrote: »Well actually, it's a hybrid between a dog and a wolf.
Seems you have learned a lot from all this "research" you've done...
AFAIK, from my "research", all the dogs were wolfes in the beginning.
The Czech Wolf Dog is just a relatively new breed, (1955), so with more percentage of wolf blood in their veins.
Yet, its still lower than the percentage of dog, so, imho, thats enough to be called a dog. You should check with people that have it already, and ask them how they are with it, instead of bashing me here for that
A Wolf is a Wolf.... a Czech Wolf Dog, its much much much more similar to a dog than a Wolf. If you think otherwise, u're just badly informed. And its because of this that i said "dont forget that its a dog". Because it IS ... Sorry if my misuse of words altered you, hope you got what i meant now. TC.0 -
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Its a Dog we're talking about here, not a wolf or a tiger. Its a DOG. "D ... O ... G".
Ok, I broke my promise by posting again
BUT I thought you said you've done your research? The above quote clearly shows you haven't. This is a relatively new breed which is only about 50 years old since the first 50/50 litter was born. Since then more wolves have been crossed in, they are also line bred to keep the phenotype which means there is ALOT of inbreeding. This also means your above quote is incorrect as in its genotype the CWD remains a Wolfhybrid.
Not every Border Collie herds sheep, not every Pit Bull fights other dogs, not every Greyhound enjoys racing.
To import a pup, then subject to quarantine which is basically solidary confinement during the pups most forming time of life is a sure way of getting a messed up dog.
Not very well thought through and very egotistical in my opinion, after all it's supposed to be about the animal, not your gratification.0 -
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bigpinkelephant wrote: »Tell you what, you obviously just hear what you want to hear, so go buy your wolfdog, hopefully you'll be just as full of know-how when it all goes wrong...
IF you had actually read the topic, you'd know that my question (and the topic at hand) was talking about WHERE to buy it. Not about morals or wether or not i should buy it.
Also, you seem pretty sure of what's bound to happen for someone that tells another being that they hear only what they want to hear
Whatever, it was a nice and useless off-topic battle, so keep at it if you want, im outta here. 0 -
Ok, I broke my promise by posting again BUT I thought you said you've done your research? The above quote clearly shows you haven't. This is a relatively new breed which is only about 50 years old since the first 50/50 litter was born. Since then more wolves have been crossed in, they are also line bred to keep the phenotype which means there is ALOT of inbreeding. This also means your above quote is incorrect as in its genotype the CWD remains a Wolfhybrid.
Not every Border Collie herds sheep, not every Pit Bull fights other dogs, not every Greyhound enjoys racing.
To import a pup, then subject to quarantine which is basically solidary confinement during the pups most forming time of life is a sure way of getting a messed up dog.
Not very well thought through and very egotistical in my opinion, after all it's supposed to be about the animal, not your gratification.
Egar, both of your question have been previously answered by me.
As for the DOG word, i said i might have misused it, read 3 replies before.
As for the pup, i said i would be buying it at 8 months age so it could AVOID the quarantine (ie, NOT do it), otherwise, i would drop my idea of buying a dog.
Also, about the breed ... i totally agree with you, but as you say "not every XXXX enjoys XXX", but i think we can safely say that some breeds are better at some activities than others? ...0 -
I got called away from the PC whilst I was typing my post to tend to some of my dogs, hence the delay in posting and hence the three or so posts in the time between
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The Czech Wolfdog is banned in quite alot of countries as it falls under *wildlife*. Extensive genetic research has been done on this subject. So I think you are way off the mark.0 -
I got called away from the PC whilst I was typing my post to tend to some of my dogs, hence the delay in posting and hence the three or so posts in the time between.
The Czech Wolfdog is banned in quite alot of countries as it falls under *wildlife*. Extensive genetic research has been done on this subject. So I think you are way off the mark.
Hi,
please specify, it will make an interesting reading!0 -
That's all fair enough - I'll just make one request.
Before you take on such a big dog, will you consider doing a few things first?
I would say you need some handling experience first and foremost - of all dogs, not just a big dog. Go to your local shelter, explain you want to own your first dog, and ask if you could help out to get some experience before you commit to one animal.
Take a few big dogs for a walk. Get some experience of what it's like when they pull the lead so hard you nearly leave the pavement. Have one of those "oh no" moments when you meet another dog where:- The owner has a small dog and looks at you like your dog is going to eat theirs.
- The owner has a small dog and glares at you for not controlling your dog when their dog launches itself at your dog's throat like a heat-seeking missile.
- The owner of the other dog takes offense at your large breed and tells you it should be wearing a muzzle.
- The owner of the other dog screams at you because YOUR dog decides it wants the other dog for breakfast.
- The owner is walking a large dog and the two of you bundle your animals to either side of the pavement while nodding sheepishly at each other until you've passed by.
- The owner is walking a large dog that they know they can't control and you see the whites of their eyes a second before their dog spots yours and pulls them off their feet.
There are a few other things you might consider too - offer yourself up as a foster home for a dog. Any dog. Get yourself into a position where you get to take a dog to some training classes - because those classes train you, not just the dog.
Seriously, there's loving and wanting a dog, and then there are other things. There's that charming sensation when you, the responsible dog owner, pick up a freshly laid turd in your plastic baggy so you can wrap it and bin it. There's washing your dog after he's rolled in cowpats. Choosing a food that suits his frame, his health requirements, his exercise level and your own budget. Changing his water bowl every day. (Ever picked up a glass of 24-hour-old tapwater beside your own bed?)
Let's put it this way - you want a dog, and you'll probably be a great owner, but you can't afford to make your first mistakes with this particular breed. You need to be the best pet owner you can be, so get some experience and THEN look at getting this dog.
You're right - a huge number of people DO get a dog that they keep in the back garden, never walk, and feed and water once a day and it's on its own mostly. But this forum is full of people who care about the best possible standard of care, the best possible life for the pet, the best possible methods and products and training and approach - and that's why this thread isn't just full of replies saying "Dial 1800 CZECHWD". 0 -
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