Redc poll in the Sunday Business Post - 25/10/2008

Donnaghm

The end of Zanu-FF's reign of terror is approaching. New polls released tomorrow are as follows:
FF 26 (-10)
FG 33 (+5)
LAB 15 (+5)
GP 6
sf 10
PD 2
oth 8
Which would give FG and Lab a comfortable majority in the event of an election. No need for the pesky tree huggers either.

mike65

Means exactly nothing unless the Peskey Tree Huggers pull the plug. Don't hold your breath.

Mike

Donnaghm

mike65 wrote: »

Means exactly nothing unless the Peskey Tree Huggers pull the plug. Don't hold your breath.

Mike

Yes Mike but a truly remarkable poll nonetheless. FF weren't that low since the 1920s.

[Jackass]

If there was a general election tomorrow the green party would collapse, take the hit for a lot of what's gone wrong, and FF would win the elction with about 45%.

That is the depressing fact about Irish politics and the utter stupidity of the electorate time after time. Maybe it's part of our culture? We like to support failures so that we can later moan about them.

Polls mean nothing.

Het-Field

Its reflective of the mood of the country. This highlights the huge losses which are likely to happen to FF in the Local and European Elections. If Fine Gael play their cards right, then Fianna Fial could be out of power next time around.

I look forward to the reasonable and rational discussion on this website, as opposed to the partisan rablle on Politics.ie which is meaningless

mike65

Well certainly the forthcomming locals/euros are well timed for the opposition. Things will be worse by then if anything, with a possible mini budget in the new year.

Mike

Breezer

Interesting that the Greens have remained static. Keeping their heads down for the most part seems to be paying off. I'm not too surprised that PD support is the same, I reckon at this stage you either support Harney or you don't, and nothing much will change that.

Villain

Ohh will the Green's cut and run or sit still? They seem to have escaped this round of cuts but it's hard to see them surviving either a mini budget next summer or even next years Dec budget.

I know this week has be a very very bad week for FF so the 26% is showing that anger but I think times will get a lot harder and they go below that, the local elections could be a serious issue with FF loosing many CC's.

luckat

FF are ok now, but if any oppisition, anyone at all, appears with a titter of charisma and idealism, they'd be routed.

Villain

luckat wrote: »

FF are ok now, but if any oppisition, anyone at all, appears with a titter of charisma and idealism, they'd be routed.

FF ok? this is the first of many tough cutbacks and they have lost 10% wait to see the cutbacks next year.

Avns1s

What a stroke of luck it was for FG that they didn't end up in government after the last election. No doubt they would have been blamed for all of this doom and gloom. It good to see that those responsible for the economy in such good times, having made such a balls of it, will have to take the blame. With a bit of luck the feckin greens will be annihilated next time out as the PD's were the last time. Gormless (pardon the pun!) sh!tes.

(Rant over - heads off to pub to celebrate FF decline!!)

is_that_so

Gut reaction to the state of the nation and the Budget. I would expect them to drift to the low 20s which will be made worse by that 2% for the PDs. Their support is more likely transfer to FG.
The PDs can go no further down and seeing as we are probably going to see them wound up in the near future, they are of little relevance to any future elections.

Can't see FF getting back into the thirties any time soon. I am also a bit surprised that the Greens didn't go any further but I suppose that can be explained by the fact that they are not seen as being directly implicated in any of the Budget debacle.

The local election results now look potentially disastrous and the 80 seat loss in the last local elections could pale into insignificance for FF and the Greens may find the extra 10 they picked up hard to hold onto.

luckat

luckat wrote: »

FF are ok now, but if any oppisition, anyone at all, appears with a titter of charisma and idealism, they'd be routed.

I agree.
Aherns decision to rope in the Greens may have seemed inexplicable last june 12 months but it's showing it's worth now.
They *aint* going to pull out of government,they've too much opportunity to impliment some of their programmes.
They were advised actually by their more hard core Green colleagues in the rest of Europe that it was the way to go.

Enda Kenny is a nice person in real life.He'd be the sort of chap you'd have a few beers with.
But Holy god he comes across as clueless and smirky wirky on tv.

FG need charisma.
Otherwise in 3 years time if the economy is on the up again and the cuts are being reversed,you'll be hard set to keep FF out of government in some shape.

E92

Those f*****s need to be left in for another while. The deserve every last bit of public outrage, it's about time it got into peoples' thick skulls that this shower is the shower that 980,000 people voted for last May. I hope all those morons who voted FF are proud of themselves now.

I always felt the reason FF had such a sh!te election campaign was because they knew this was coming and they wanted to get out and then blame FG when the complete incompetence of FF's economic policies would eventually come home to roost.

Unfortunately there won't be an election until 2012, FF never like elections before their time, and at 26% they certainly aren't going to change that idea now.

As Mary Harney reportedly put it to John Gormless "the worst day in Government is better than the best day in opposition".

What's the betting that by 2012 the economy will start to pick up and all those presently bitching about the Government will vote these incompetent clows back in again:mad:?

podge79

Villain wrote: »

FF ok? this is the first of many tough cutbacks and they have lost 10% wait to see the cutbacks next year.

well as much as I'd love to see ff kicked to touch for a while (got too complacent/smug/separated from reality) this is just an opinion poll after all - another one could come out in a week and show their support up...

real thing that counts is the actual votes they lose... IMO if they lost 10-15% of dail seats in the next election(hoping this government doesn't last the full term) it would knock a bit of sense into them and make them re-evaluate themselves

Darragh29

E92 wrote: »

Those f*****s need to be left in for another while. The deserve every last bit of public outrage, it's about time it got into peoples' thick skulls that this shower is the shower that 980,000 people voted for last May. I hope all those morons who voted FF are proud of themselves now.

I always felt the reason FF had such a sh!te election campaign was because they knew this was coming and they wanted to get out and then blame FG when the complete incompetence of FF's economic policies would eventually come home to roost.

Unfortunately there won't be an election until 2012, FF never like elections before their time, and at 26% they certainly aren't going to change that idea now.

As Mary Harney reportedly put it to John Gormless "the worst day in Government is better than the best day in opposition".

What's the betting that by 2012 the economy will start to pick up and all those presently bitching about the Government will vote these incompetent clows back in again:mad:?

Couldn't agree more E92. The people who voted for these saps are the same people who will now suffer under their utterly defective stewardship of our economy. The next two or three years will teach them a thing or two about respecting your right to vote and weighing up more carefully who to elect to run the country.

ninty9er

It an opinion poll sample of 1,000 people, I'm not worried by it, and take the party line on this that we have taken regardless of gains or falls in polls...it is a poll and is not in the least bit indicative of how 42 constituencies will vote on any given matter.

Anyone who thinks FF ran a poor election campaign last year is an idiot, there were thousands of people knocking on doors morning, noon and evening for 3 weeks solid asking for FF 1st, 2nd and 3rd preferences.

Only 3 candidates came to our door for the last GE and of them only 1 out of the 3 (14 runners) was a non FF candidate.

Listening to people is what gets votes, not opinion polls.

is_that_so

ninty9er wrote: »

Listening to people is what gets votes, not opinion polls.

Agreed but showing that you are able to carry out what people are saying helps a lot as well. The current political climate is more reminiscent of the 80s when governments had to take hard decision after hard decisions. Invariably this led to a lot of government changes, as people balanced up the lesser of two evils.

As someone who claims to question who or what your party is you should be worried. Your party is demonstrating a remarkable inability to come to any conclusion it can stick to. They have also foolishly IMO, "picked on" the one group who are almost guaranteed to vote every time.

It has no policies to speak of and it does not appear to have any idea what it stands for any more. It remains to be seen how they'll get through the next 12 months never mind the rest of the term.

Darragh29

ninty9er wrote: »

It an opinion poll sample of 1,000 people, I'm not worried by it, and take the party line on this that we have taken regardless of gains or falls in polls...it is a poll and is not in the least bit indicative of how 42 constituencies will vote on any given matter.

Anyone who thinks FF ran a poor election campaign last year is an idiot, there were thousands of people knocking on doors morning, noon and evening for 3 weeks solid asking for FF 1st, 2nd and 3rd preferences.

Only 3 candidates came to our door for the last GE and of them only 1 out of the 3 (14 runners) was a non FF candidate.

Listening to people is what gets votes, not opinion polls.

Are you politically affiliated to FF???

ninty9er

Darragh29 wrote: »

Are you politically affiliated to FF???

:pac::pac::pac:

Liam Byrne

Darragh29 wrote: »

Are you politically affiliated to FF???

Could you SERIOUSLY see anyone who wasn't, trying to defend the indefensible, Darragh ?

Unfortunately - given past experience - nint9er's post is spot-on; plenty of issues and discontent arose with FF's mismanagement of the economy and their completely out-of-touch-with-reality mentality BEFORE the last election, and enough of the idiotic Irish electorate still managed to vote for them.

So - while they're out of touch with what affects real people's lives and what is regarded as acceptable behaviour and leadership, they're VERY much in tune with what's required in politics......screw the country WELL in advance of the election, then gradually claw back, so that when the elections come around again the only things people remember are the benefits of the most recent changes prior to that election (and ignore the fact that those wouldn't have been required if things had been done right all along).

Case in point : FF's sudden requirement for getting "value for money" from public projects; if they'd had that mentality all along we wouldn't be in this mess.

Complete contempt for the average Irish person until immediately before their support is required; and then the electorate is stupid enough to fall for it.

Trotter

The greens are going nowhere. Having sent a thundering email to one of their higher ranking TDs, I got an obnoxious reply that gave me 2 fingers and basically said suck it up, we're staying put.

Never will I vote for FF or the Greens.

Pride Fighter

is_that_so wrote: »

Agreed but showing that you are able to carry out what people are saying helps a lot as well. The current political climate is more reminiscent of the 80s when governments had to take hard decision after hard decisions. Invariably this led to a lot of government changes, as people balanced up the lesser of two evils.

As someone who claims to question who or what your party is you should be worried. Your party is demonstrating a remarkable inability to come to any conclusion it can stick to. They have also foolishly IMO, "picked on" the one group who are almost guaranteed to vote every time.

It has no policies to speak of and it does not appear to have any idea what it stands for any more. It remains to be seen how they'll get through the next 12 months never mind the rest of the term.

Are you talking about FG or FF? They are both the same, except FF seem a bit less preachy.

Darragh29

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Could you SERIOUSLY see anyone who wasn't, trying to defend the indefensible, Darragh ?

Unfortunately - given past experience - nint9er's post is spot-on; plenty of issues and discontent arose with FF's mismanagement of the economy and their completely out-of-touch-with-reality mentality BEFORE the last election, and enough of the idiotic Irish electorate still managed to vote for them.

So - while they're out of touch with what affects real people's lives and what is regarded as acceptable behaviour and leadership, they're VERY much in tune with what's required in politics......screw the country WELL in advance of the election, then gradually claw back, so that when the elections come around again the only things people remember are the benefits of the most recent changes prior to that election (and ignore the fact that those wouldn't have been required if things had been done right all along).

Case in point : FF's sudden requirement for getting "value for money" from public projects; if they'd had that mentality all along we wouldn't be in this mess.

Complete contempt for the average Irish person until immediately before their support is required; and then the electorate is stupid enough to fall for it.

Liam, if you believed the nonsense being spun by FF at the last election, that's down to you, hang your head in shame....

Darragh29

Trotter wrote: »

The greens are going nowhere. Having sent a thundering email to one of their higher ranking TDs, I got an obnoxious reply that gave me 2 fingers and basically said suck it up, we're staying put.

Never will I vote for FF or the Greens.

Post it up here!

cooperguy

They were bound to take a hit this time round. Wait for next months poll and see how bad it is. No matter who is in they would have taken a hit. Besides how many people really think Enda Kenny would make a better leader.

Darragh29 wrote:

Liam, if you believed the nonsense being spun by FF at the last election, that's down to you, hang your head in shame....

In fairness every party was spinning nonsense. That was not unique to FF

Liam Byrne

cooperguy wrote: »

They were bound to take a hit this time round. Wait for next months poll and see how bad it is. No matter who is in they would have taken a hit. Besides how many people really think Enda Kenny would make a better leader.

Better ? Unknown. But he definitely couldn't be worse! Mind you, if FG did get the current poisoned chalice it would suit FF to sit back and let someone else sort out their mess....

Darragh29

cooperguy wrote: »

They were bound to take a hit this time round. Wait for next months poll and see how bad it is. No matter who is in they would have taken a hit. Besides how many people really think Enda Kenny would make a better leader.


In fairness every party was spinning nonsense. That was not unique to FF

I didn't fall for the spin, I knew there was no way the stupid spending could continue so I voted accordingly.

Liam Byrne

Darragh29 wrote: »

Liam, if you believed the nonsense being spun by FF at the last election, that's down to you, hang your head in shame....

Jeez, no!!!! :eek::rolleyes: I'm not THAT thick or naieve!!!!

I gave FF and the PDs a grilling when they came campaigning and told them the truth; that they'd pretty much made my life worse - inflation, taxes, ill-thought-out privatisation, crazy house prices, crap planning and infrastructure, worthless pensions, stealth taxes, wasted money on pet projects, and hadn't stood for anything I believed in - decent baseline standard of living for all, ensuring value for money, competitiveness, affordability, weeding out and criticising corruption, misuse of Shannon, Aer Lingus, money & facilities being spent in Bertie's backyard in Dublin & the Pale while the rest of the country can go beg for scraps.

So don't worry Darragh, I wasn't one of the idiots that voted this shower of wasters in.

Darragh29

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Jeez, no!!!! :eek::rolleyes: I'm not THAT thick or naieve!!!!

I gave FF and the PDs a grilling when they came campaigning and told them the truth; that they'd pretty much made my life worse - inflation, taxes, ill-thought-out privatisation, crazy house prices, crap planning and infrastructure, worthless pensions, stealth taxes, wasted money on pet projects, and hadn't stood for anything I believed in - decent baseline standard of living for all, ensuring value for money, competitiveness, affordability, weeding out and criticising corruption, misuse of Shannon, Aer Lingus, money & facilities being spent in Bertie's backyard in Dublin & the Pale while the rest of the country can go beg for scraps.

So don't worry Darragh, I wasn't one of the idiots that voted this shower of wasters in.

Yeah, but did you give them a finger wagging and then vote for them?

Liam Byrne

Darragh29 wrote: »

Yeah, but did you give them a finger wagging and then vote for them?

:mad: See the last line of my post!!!!

I mean, we can't even mention the behaviour of the elephant in the room (the one that broke its leg last week). That fiasco alone would have been cause to question FF's bona fides and suitability for office!!

But add in everything I mentioned above, and add the arrogance of "they'll vote for Lisbon because we tell them to, so we don't need to read it or explain it" and numerous other things - Bertie Bowl, eVoting, welcoming back Beverly, Messers "nothing up the trees" Haughey, Burke & Lawlor, etc, etc - and I'm insulted that you would even consider the possibility that I would be so two-faced and have such little principles!!!!!

C'mon Darragh.....I mean PLEEEEAAASSSEEE !!!!! I do have a brain.....

Trotter

This is going to sound like a very strange comment, but, does this whole farce show that democracy doesn't actually work very well in Ireland?

I am committed to every person having a vote, but having said that, am I mistaken to think that our democratic system works?

FF have shaken my core democratric beliefs by literally giving two fingers to the Irish public fingers for the reasons mentioned throughout this thread, and then being revoted into government.

I was in the count centre when the FF TDs were deemed elected and the comments I heard from the FF "huddle" were shocking. It was arrogance that went well beyond the deserved celebrations for any elected TD.

I just despair that these people were re-elected. The masses are then surprised that they cut funds to the old and school children, as if FF didn't try this before. (e.g. Charlie's speech to the nation while his shirts were en route from Paris).

To go back to my original question then, am I right to believe that if a general election was called tomorrow, FF would get back in to government?

I'm not suggesting that democracy is wrong, just a bit frustrated at how it hasn't done much for those that really needed it over the past years.

E92

cooperguy wrote: »

Besides how many people really think Enda Kenny would make a better leader.


In fairness every party was spinning nonsense. That was not unique to FF

This is typical FF bull.

When the sh!t hits the fan you blame someone else or say "shur they're all the same".

Finding someone else to blame for your very obvious failings is classic FF. Trouble is most idiots in this country let them away with it time and time again, and always at general elections, which is the time to give them the kicking they deserve.

Trotter wrote: »

To go back to my original question then, am I right to believe that if a general election was called tomorrow, FF would get back in to government?

I genuinely think they would. People always "forget" about the things they've had reason to moan about whenever the election forgets and give FF a general act of absolution. Remember that about one third of the voting population would give FF the vote if the only candidates were mass murderers.

As someone once said to me "the pen would shake in their hand"(at the ballot box) before a lot of people would vote for anyone other than FF.

Darragh29

Trotter wrote: »

This is going to sound like a very strange comment, but, does this whole farce show that democracy doesn't actually work very well in Ireland?

I am committed to every person having a vote, but having said that, am I mistaken to think that our democratic system works?

The system works grand. In fairness to these people, we have to give them the time and space that they will obviously require to come to terms with the fact that they have been conned and sold a pup by FF.

You see all them property centered loo-laa's who voted in FF, and also Michael Lowry, Jackie Healy-Rae, Ivor Callely, Beverly Cooper Flynn, Martin Cullen, Mary Harney, Noel Demsey, Noel O' Flynn, et al...

The people who voted in these clowns, above all else, they are fickle. When their needs are being met, they are grand, they'll vote for the vested interests and will effectively vote for greed, and so the corruption goes on, but as I said, they are fickle, and when the chips are down, they'll change their vote...

Make no mistake about it, Dopey Breakfast Role Man is running the country...

Darragh29

Trotter wrote: »

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I just despair that these people were re-elected. The masses are then surprised that they cut funds to the old and school children, as if FF didn't try this before. (e.g. Charlie's speech to the nation while his shirts were en route from Paris).

To go back to my original question then, am I right to believe that if a general election was called tomorrow, FF would get back in to government?

If there was an election in the morning, I wouldn't vote for FF.

I also wouldn't vote for FG or Labour, because they do not have an effective leader. Eamon Gilmore, USELESS, Enda kenny, USELESS. Not getting my vote, end of story, come back when you have a leader that my gut feeling can have a discussion with....

It took me a few short years to learn to stand on my feet and stop voting in line with my family....

I have no political affiliation with any party, but I do see a leader in Richard Bruton. I've never ever voted once for FG or Labour, but I would vote for FG if they got rid of Enda Kenny and Richard bruton was party leader... As for Labour, rudderless and leaderless, led by a smug fat c*nt that that whole country can see through. Irrelevant as a political force. My 2 cents worth, FG will be the majority party in the next government, if they can change leadership and up their game...

ninty9er

I can see that a lot of people think that FF would be hammered on the property market, yet fail to remember that those who bought overpriced houses with 100% mortgages are in an extreme minority of the voting population. If it was the case that even 100,000 people had mortgages in excess of €300,000 that they couldn't afford, we wouldn't have seen it past 2002, never mind the ream of subsequent elections that would have followed.

Media "bad govenrment will lose out" myths that mean nothing to the majority of voters in the polling booth:

• Negative equity
• Larger class sizes
• Inflation
• Interest rates
• The weather
• The colour of Enda Kenny's hair

the thing that matters most in the booth is:

• Who listened to me on the doorstep

Refined to

• Which of them got back to me

And if there are any left after that

• Which ones did so most satisfactorily

Edit:

I am biased, but I do honestly believe that Brian Cowen will be twice the leader Bertie Ahern ever was. He's not as focussed on his possy and is much more concerned with the views of the organisation, decisions will be taken on the basis that they are necessary rather than continuing unsustainably due to fear of unpopularity. This is why I'm struggling to come to grips with the levy and Med Card U-turn....though the card had to come, I can't understand why the limit is so high.

To say FF believed that people would just vote for Lisbon is diametrically opposed to the fact that Biffo spent weeks touring the country with the "Yes Bus" and a group of HQ staff and Ógra to campaign with him.

Darragh29

ninty9er wrote: »

I can see that a lot of people think that FF would be hammered on the property market, yet fail to remember that those who bought overpriced houses with 100% mortgages are in an extreme minority of the voting population. If it was the case that even 100,000 people had mortgages in excess of €300,000 that they couldn't afford, we wouldn't have seen it past 2002, never mind the ream of subsequent elections that would have followed.

Media "bad govenrment will lose out" myths that mean nothing to the majority of voters in the polling booth:

• Negative equity
• Larger class sizes
• Inflation
• Interest rates
• The weather
• The colour of Enda Kenny's hair

the thing that matters most in the booth is:

• Who listened to me on the doorstep

Refined to

• Which of them got back to me

And if there are any left after that

• Which ones did so most satisfactorily

Edit:

I am biased, but I do honestly believe that Brian Cowen will be twice the leader Bertie Ahern ever was. He's not as focussed on his possy and is much more concerned with the views of the organisation, decisions will be taken on the basis that they are necessary rather than continuing unsustainably due to fear of unpopularity. This is why I'm struggling to come to grips with the levy and Med Card U-turn....though the card had to come, I can't understand why the limit is so high.

To say FF believed that people would just vote for Lisbon is diametrically opposed to the fact that Biffo spent weeks touring the country with the "Yes Bus" and a group of HQ staff and Ógra to campaign with him.

I don't agree ninty9er...

I voted not for what made me better off, but what for made the country that I was born in, a better place to live in for those that live here.

I've read your thread above over ten times and I cannot understand the logic of your position. You are defending people who in my opinion are below the level of contempt that I reserve for paedophiles. You blame people who have taken out 100% mortages that you allege they could not afford, for the current economic situation. I have many friends who have a 100% mortgage, they are not in default of their mortgage agreements, but they have fu*k all cash for anything else, hence why we are now in recession.

The party that you are trying to defend on this thead, have been elected directly with the support of the monetary contributions made by vested property interests in the building industry, it has been a win-win equation, up until now....

What is around the corner for FF, hell at it's worst hasn't seen the likes of it before....

Darragh29

ninty9er wrote: »

I am biased, but I do honestly believe that Brian Cowen will be twice the leader Bertie Ahern ever was.

You must be on the magic mushrooms if you think an overgrown fu*king walking MATRESS is the answer to our problems.

This the man who was responsible for fiscal decisions for the last 6-7 years. Are you on drugs???

ninty9er

Darragh29 wrote: »

You blame people who have taken out 100% mortages that you allege they could not afford, for the current economic situation. I have many friends who have a 100% mortgage, they are not in default of their mortgage agreements, but they have fu*k all cash for anything else, hence why we are now in recession.

I didn't blame people with 100% mortgages anywhere in that post, for anything.

I didn't mention default, I didn't mention cash (I meant to but forgot actually)

In fact, I just gave an indication of how the majority of people would vote given a general election.

So please stop pulling crap from my post that isn't actually there.

ninty9er

Darragh29 wrote: »

You must be on the magic mushrooms if you think an overgrown fu*king walking MATRESS is the answer to our problems.

This the man who was responsible for fiscal decisions for the last 6-7 years. Are you on drugs???

I'm not...are you....because neither Charlie Cowen or Brian McCreevy are in charge or the country right now.....Brian Cowen is:rolleyes:

Darragh29

ninty9er wrote: »

I'm not...are you....because neither Charlie Cowen or Brian McCreevy are in charge or the country right now.....Brian Cowen is:rolleyes:

Yes Biffo is the man with the remote control, and he is a walking fu*king haystack that was annointed into the job by a man who we now know was a discredited corrupt smooth talking LANGER, who was taking tens of thousands of Euro in CASH payments from people who had vested property/business interests.

If you ever have a Revenue audit, try telling them that you didn't have a bank account and that you dealt in cash and you took tens of thousands of euro from people who cannot now be accounted for, who just happened to have property interests. Revenue will hand you a tube of KY jelly and tell you to brace yourself, because they are just about to put a fu*kin saddle on you...

Your political naiviety is beyond the English language...

nesf

Guys, keep it civil and please don't direct personal comments at each other about what drugs they may or may not be taking before posting.

Also, posting crap like "the idiots will vote them in again" isn't allowed. Just because you don't agree with other people's political opinions does not mean that you get to call them idiots.

nesf

The poll is, um, unsurprising? FF made a balls up of the budget, they were always going to be hammered in the polls last week. The thing is, it's the trend over the next three to six months that's going to be important. FF will turn this around a bit and gain back some of that lost ground but the question is how much and can FG/Lab consolidate their present gains into a longer trend than just the impulse lashing against the sitting Government after an unpopular budget.

It's also a single poll, even though the result isn't that surprising given the political climate but it'll be other polls with different methodologies that'll allow a better reading of the situation to be taken.

ninty9er

Darragh29 wrote: »

Your political naiviety is beyond the English language...

How many doors did YOU knock on before the election??

And how many since???


**silence**

Thought so.


Idealistic I may be, but I can assure you: I'f FAAAR from naïve.

Darragh29

nesf wrote: »

The poll is, um, unsurprising? FF made a balls up of the budget, they were always going to be hammered in the polls last week. The thing is, it's the trend over the next three to six months that's going to be important. FF will turn this around a bit and gain back some of that lost ground but the question is how much and can FG/Lab consolidate their present gains into a longer trend than just the impulse lashing against the sitting Government after an unpopular budget.

It's also a single poll, even though the result isn't that surprising given the political climate but it'll be other polls with different methodologies that'll allow a better reading of the situation to be taken.

If the opposition can bring decent credible political weight to bear on this current set up, then FF are dead as a political party. FF have nothing to offer the country, none of their front bench have any standing. Mary Coughlan is to economic progress, what George W Bush is to peace keeping. Willie O' Dea should be left on Question & Answers until someone fu*ks him out of a 4 story window of RTE.

Biffo, keep feeding him Fillet Steaks.

Martin Cullen.. I hear Robert mugabe is setting up a top level commitee to advise him on e-voting technology, there's a job for Martin Cullen....

Noel Dempsey... Maybe when Shell have taken the gas out of the Corrib gas field, they can inject Noel Dempsey back in there to fill the void and if they find there is a lot of room left, I'm sure Mary Harney would take up the rest of the vacant space...

Voipjunkie

Darragh29 wrote: »

If the opposition can bring decent credible political weight to bear on this current set up, then FF are dead as a political party. FF have nothing to offer the country, none of their front bench have any standing. Mary Coughlan is to economic progress, what George W Bush is to peace keeping. Willie O' Dea should be left on Question & Answers until someone fu*ks him out of a 4 story window of RTE.

Biffo, keep feeding him Fillet Steaks.

Martin Cullen.. I hear Robert mugabe is setting up a top level commitee to advise him on e-voting technology, there's a job for Martin Cullen....

Noel Dempsey... Maybe when Shell have taken the gas out of the Corrib gas field, they can inject Noel Dempsey back in there to fill the void and if they find there is a lot of room left, I'm sure Mary Harney would take up the rest of the vacant space...

Ok meanwhile back in the real world

There won't be an election as FF will stick together ( as they know alot of them would not be back if an election happened now) and the greens will stay as well and the last thing the independents want is an election.

FF will undoubtedly creep back up in the polls and this will be forgotten about by the time the next election comes around.

Darragh29

Voipjunkie wrote: »

Ok meanwhile back in the real world

There won't be an election as FF will stick together

Doesn't look there is much cohesion lately within FF. All the opposition need to do is smoke out the current incumbents who have honour in my book than Garry Glitter, and offer a decent alternative...

nesf

Darragh29 wrote: »

If the opposition can bring decent credible political weight to bear on this current set up, then FF are dead as a political party. FF have nothing to offer the country, none of their front bench have any standing. Mary Coughlan is to economic progress, what George W Bush is to peace keeping. Willie O' Dea should be left on Question & Answers until someone fu*ks him out of a 4 story window of RTE.

Biffo, keep feeding him Fillet Steaks.

Martin Cullen.. I hear Robert mugabe is setting up a top level commitee to advise him on e-voting technology, there's a job for Martin Cullen....

Noel Dempsey... Maybe when Shell have taken the gas out of the Corrib gas field, they can inject Noel Dempsey back in there to fill the void and if they find there is a lot of room left, I'm sure Mary Harney would take up the rest of the vacant space...

So much heat, so little light.

Darragh29

I wouldn't send Mary Coughlan for a bag of chips or a pint of milk.

The people you suggest should continue to run our country, make John Gilligan look like Nelson Mandela...

ninty9er

Darragh29 wrote: »

I wouldn't send Mary Coughlan for a bag of chips or a pint of milk.

The people you suggest should continue to run our country, make John Gilligan look like Nelson Mandela...

I wasn't aware they had Halloween parties in the Joy, or that the Cabinet does the make-up.

:D

Darragh29

nesf wrote: »

So much heat, so little light.

Because when you look at "Twat O' Thief" or "Willie O' Gee", you see the light. Will you take your shades off and do the rest of the country a favour and allow us get rid of these fu*king circus acts...